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On February 25 2012 15:41 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... played so bad ...
Where is the difference in being wary of tunneling vs being dissuaded by mafia?
Is the method I'm using to construct my cases the problem, or my inability to process new information the issue?
How can I not make such mistakes as I did this game?
Sloosh my man. I feel for ya because you obviously put a lot into this game and it hurts to lose in this way.
If you want my advice, when you post a case, decide what your target needs to do to prove his innocence. You are like me in that when you think you have found mafia you won't listen to others. My way of getting around this is to put myself in his shoes and see whether what he is saying could be explained from a town point of view.
If you happen to be wrong, such as with DYH. You really should take stock and gather as much evidence as you can. There should have been no doubt about Matt's alignment because he was the only one defending DYH. In addition you thought ET was scum to start with and then when Matt puts together a decent case on him you jump on Matt? Your first case on Matt was that he was providing content which was absurd. If his actions can be explained from both a town and mafia perspective, he is null. Not mafia, null.
It's hard to change reads. I still think my change of heart with Cats was my greatest read. You need to try and find the town that others don't believe is town. That allows you to look at who is pushing easy cases. I must admit that was why I thought ET was mafia. Pushing Gumshoe for his poll made no sense in my mind.
Hope that helps.
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On February 26 2012 14:25 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 15:41 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... played so bad ...
Where is the difference in being wary of tunneling vs being dissuaded by mafia?
Is the method I'm using to construct my cases the problem, or my inability to process new information the issue?
How can I not make such mistakes as I did this game? Sloosh my man. I feel for ya because you obviously put a lot into this game and it hurts to lose in this way. If you want my advice, when you post a case, decide what your target needs to do to prove his innocence. You are like me in that when you think you have found mafia you won't listen to others. My way of getting around this is to put myself in his shoes and see whether what he is saying could be explained from a town point of view. If you happen to be wrong, such as with DYH. You really should take stock and gather as much evidence as you can. There should have been no doubt about Matt's alignment because he was the only one defending DYH. In addition you thought ET was scum to start with and then when Matt puts together a decent case on him you jump on Matt? Your first case on Matt was that he was providing content which was absurd. If his actions can be explained from both a town and mafia perspective, he is null. Not mafia, null. It's hard to change reads. I still think my change of heart with Cats was my greatest read. You need to try and find the town that others don't believe is town. That allows you to look at who is pushing easy cases. I must admit that was why I thought ET was mafia. Pushing Gumshoe for his poll made no sense in my mind. Hope that helps.
For ET, I believed he was town during day 2 when he asserted that DYH flipping green just means I was wrong, not mafia since mafia would want to cast doubt on me and lynch me.
To be honest toward the end of the game I didn't trust my own reads that well and trusted ET's (confirmed town in my eyes and the only one w/ some experience) case, knowing that he has played on the mafia team before so he would know better.
But what should I do if I everyone is null read? Especially as it is a newbie game, I have no idea how to distinguish bad play with mafia play (I guess I would fall neatly into this category after this game >.<).
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Bleh, all over the place that last post.
For the 1st paragraph, meant to ask:
How should you treat people's reads if they are confirmed town in your eyes?
Or confirmed mafia?
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Well, I cant recommend trusting anyone else's reads.
If they're town, they're just as fallible and possibly just as lost as you are, ergo not reliable.
If they're scum, they're pointing you in the wrong direction on purpose, ergo VERY not reliable.
If I ever get to a point where literally nothing is making sense, I delete my note page and start again from day 1 of the thread, and write all my notes out again. Usually I notice new stuff, which helps brings current actions into a better perspective.
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If someone is confirmed town, maybe a DT checked them, got green and announced his check to the thread. All you can know is that his reads are not motivated by any kind of deception. It doesn't make them any more accurate. Give them weight, but understand they might be tunneling a townie.
After my last game (Arkham), I wont consider anyone confirmed mafia until they're dead and flipped.
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On February 26 2012 15:03 Adam4167 wrote:
If they're town, they're just as fallible and possibly just as lost as you are, ergo not reliable.
ding ding ding ding
my key, massive failure this game
DYH, in the other thread, when I said "eh, DYH", I didn't mean that you made that mistake, I meant that the town made that mistake with respect to you. AKA you played moderate-->good and I played moderate-->bad.
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On February 26 2012 15:00 slOosh wrote:
Bleh, all over the place that last post.
For the 1st paragraph, meant to ask:
How should you treat people's reads if they are confirmed town in your eyes?
Or confirmed mafia?
Unless there is extreme evidence to the contrary, no one is confirmed until dead.
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best (yes I am biased and self centered) obs quote ever (its taken a little out of context)
DoYouHas
02-22-2012
06:21 PM ET (US)
Mattchew wasn't a consideration when the game was balanced.
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EPT
