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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
We wouldve lynched Zell, then Alde or Steve. Alde was suspicious after he tried to defend TK. And TK was getting lynched anyway, as most would have him scum. I should have voted zel, but there was no support. We would have had a chance of winning. Scum team played fine first 2 days, then there were slips. Especially D4. GG. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Midnight may have been incorrect in his reads, but he was not intentionally sabotaging his own team. This is a new player game, where players come to learn how to play. Expecting every player in this game to know exactly what is optimal when they have no clue how to gauge someone's alignment is unfair. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Where is the difference in being wary of tunneling vs being dissuaded by mafia? Is the method I'm using to construct my cases the problem, or my inability to process new information the issue? How can I not make such mistakes as I did this game? | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On February 25 2012 14:49 rgTheSchworz wrote: So, I told ya: We wouldve lynched Zell, then Alde or Steve. Alde was suspicious after he tried to defend TK. And TK was getting lynched anyway, as most would have him scum. I should have voted zel, but there was no support. We would have had a chance of winning. Scum team played fine first 2 days, then there were slips. Especially D4. GG. Yea i think we kind of got greedy when we realized we could end it with just on more mislynch. Thankfully matt and ET/sloosh started attacking each other. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On February 25 2012 14:46 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh, after I pointed out how hypocritical your case against me was, did it even give you pause? At what point did you start thinking I might be town? OMGUS -> tunnel till lynch. I'm so sorry. I realize that it was incredibly hypocritical in hindsight and wished I never even thought about meta this game. I stopped listening after your 2nd response as it felt like you were evading my points but the tunnel probably set in much before that. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
Because I didn't have a clear view of the game when I was put on the spot to provide reads after I defended myself, I found myself scrambling to put cases together. So I ended up going after the easy targets instead of actually trying to pin down scum. At that point I really did think MG was probably scum, and I wasn't alone in that (read obsQT). But the first red flag that should have had me backing off for a second and reevaluating was that I was considering those cases as part of my defense to not get lynched. That put me in a biased starting point and makes my cases less valuable to town in the event I get lynched. So my response to you, slOosh, is this. You may have played poorly, but I sabotaged myself by trying a new style, by spending too much time brooding over the thread, and then I reacted poorly under pressure. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
But I can't complain about anyone else playing badly. I had strong scumreads on Steveling and TKHawkins on the second half of day 1 but I just didn't have the will to push them. Nothing to do with being DT, just psychological weakness. Probably looked solid blue to scum. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 25 2012 15:01 Adam4167 wrote: Gumshoe, don't try and analyze your hosts. I spent close to 50% of my first game doing the same thing and while I got everything right, it was a complete waste of time. I should have been hunting scum. I was gunned down on N2 with half a case written on the 2nd scum member because I wasted so much time on a pointless endeavor. Dont worry I wasn't really trying to wifome the hosts ( : Steveling had destroyed my reputation early on, so the only way I could convince town of anything was by making it seem as if I couldn't be wrong, Grey mist just did his job as a good host(and his job as the mafia boss who took over the liquiebet) I gave up after nightfury came in because I realized there was no way I could convince town not to listen to sloosh without a sure thing and I couldn't defend matt without looking like scum, mafia destroyed town this game, they deserve a pot of rainbow gold for their efforts. Oh and grey mist if you end up reading this(which I'm sure you will) I just want to apologize if I offended you, I meant all the things I said in jest alone (grey mists response: Hah how could you possibly think that YOU a tiny noob could have offended ME a host, burn for your insolence!!!!!!!!!!) | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
I don't want to start a shitstorm but i have to disagree with the mods decision to not mod kill TK is still IMO a mistake. As either alignment, to get away with not posting for over like 60 hours in a 24/48 cycle is straight up unfair, especially in a newbie game. Then to replace him in a MYLO town situation on day 3.... Idk I think it woulda been more fair to just modkill him | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
As for failing to defend myself properly, you're right, I probably could have kept on fighting up to the end, but school was really cutting down on my time, and with my midterm the night I died, I decided that I would be better off focusing on that, instead. You guys certainly didn't make it easy for me to try to exonerate myself. Sometimes, I wonder why I even try to play this game :D | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Nothing you could really do. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On February 26 2012 01:26 Mattchew wrote: eh... i guess midnight just gave up which is understandable as almost everyone checked out... still ald is really the only player that really played well this game.. he took a lot of risks and played through them very well. I don't want to start a shitstorm but i have to disagree with the mods decision to not mod kill TK is still IMO a mistake. As either alignment, to get away with not posting for over like 60 hours in a 24/48 cycle is straight up unfair, especially in a newbie game. Then to replace him in a MYLO town situation on day 3.... Idk I think it woulda been more fair to just modkill him But the problem was that he had to be replaced. If he was town, town would only have 5/6 votes required to lynch, and the modkill on a townie + NK would be a loss for town. I agree that it was a shitty situation for both sides though and the decision on wether to modkill or not would give either faction a significant advantage. I still think that was the best solution though.. but of course im biased =/ | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote: Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order Alderan TKHawkins trackd00r Janaan zelblade | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On February 26 2012 01:26 MidnightGladius wrote: Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that I was the only one to post suspicions on Alderan, prior to which no one had him on the radar. Afterwards, no one had him on the radar. And now in post-game, everyone says that no one was suspicious of him. I just noticed that your initial case points out that Alderan was a relative veteran, which totally invalidates me fitting him into a particular newbie-town archetype. We should have been holding him to much higher standards. There was a general problem with people who'd played or watched NMM3 holding each other to excessively high standards given that it wasn't actually a good town performance. I summed it up with this post but it also applied to my case against you: On February 19 2012 07:18 jaj22 wrote: Trying to drag myself out of my state of despair. Sloosh and DoYouHas: I think you're expecting too much from each other. When obsing Student Mafia, I had about seven strong town reads at the end of day 1. When obsing NMM3, I had zero. Fundamentally, I don't think you do a great job of looking townie in the early game, and you're both finally picking up on that. I also don't think either of you are a good lynch today. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 ET, Sloosh, am I disappoint. DYH you saved yourself in the end there but you started really badly. All three of you guys looked scummy at one point or another and I was convinced that both Sloosh and ET were mafia purely because I couldn't believe you could both be so wrong. Honestly, I know it gets frustrating but it doesn't help your reads if you get upset with people. I was completely wrong about Alderaan but I think he played really well. I have a post in the obs QT that outlines my reasoning and I think given the circumstances it was reasonable. Gumshoe I tip my hat. Your early posts were probably the most hilarious and simultaneously annoying things I have ever read in a mafia game. However by the end you were making consistent and rational sense. I think the thing you need to improve on is being concise. Read your posts twice and use the preview button. Being easy to read helps you establish your innocence because people will actually read what you say. Mattchew, you get my town MVP. Simply because despite the rage directed at you, you tried your upmost to defend DYH. We were cheering for you the whole game  Lurkers you really hurt town here. Guys who went all Emo. Don't play mafia. This town was rough but if you take it personally you will never be able to be objective. Remember that in about a weeks time the game is over and the stress will go. I don't sleep properly when I play mafia so I take it seriously too, but in the end it is a game. If you don't enjoy it, don't play it. Final thoughts, this is what happens when town decides aggression is the way to go and doesn't step back and evaluate objectively. Some players on TL love aggression but for me it becomes too difficult to tell what is a slip and what is just an annoyed response. The whole first day ET and Sloosh thing plus the DYH tunnel come from not allowing yourself to accept that you may be wrong. Being pushy just gets met with anger and frustration. It's a style thing but I don't like it. Good luck guys, I hope the obs QT provided some laughs. | ||
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