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slOosh
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slOosh
3291 Posts
The possibility revolved around a Mattchew/Steveling/Alderan / ??? combo, so I wanted to see his response to me voting Steveling. This is why I think Mattchew is scum: The biggest thing is that he still hasn't posted anything. I'll quote myself here: On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote: I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other. However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content. Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means. I have to say he is leaning town right now. However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect. Look at his post day 3 actions. He has STILL yet to post any original content AT ALL. He hasn't done anything constructive with the content produced by his plan, but instead just gave us some town reads and pointed out who he doesn't like with little one liner reasonings. Not contributing anything at all. This type of play is so Anti-Town, and firmly steps into the land of scum when the situation is MYLO and there is no reason why town should hide anything. The next point is observing how he shows favoritism to Alderan and Steveling. On February 22 2012 11:23 Mattchew wrote: Alderan is town because there is literally nothing scummy about his play at all. If we are right about the other 3 being scum theres no way in hell they would let him (or he would) post anything about the switch from ET to Dimmu, which he did On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Alderan - There is no way he would bus or bring to light that many scum with him also bringing up the first night's last hour switch. He puts a focus on a very scummy event and with no real cases anywhere to be found he brings up a lot of good discussion points with his posts The couple things to note here: his absolute certainty that Alderan is town. It is absolute. And it is poor logic too. It's all based on his fixation that his suspects are scum and therefore mafia would not act in such a way => Alderan town. Using WIFOM as a basis for confirmed town reads? Pshh. Second bold line. Look at Mattchew's filter and ctrl f Alderan. He only quotes him once, and shows no indication of thinking Alderan brings up"good discussion points". As for Steveling: On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Steveling - Didn't vote Dimmu day 1 which is a bit WIFOM but also logically not scummy. He posts a pretty big case on gum and then another on tkhawk. He likes my case a lot which has kind of blinded me to reading him for real. I would value someone else's opinion on him more than my own, however for me he reads town. Wishy washy on him, but puts him in the most likely town reads section. Doesn't actually give reasoning but just some observations. Another favoritism post I forced out of him here: On February 23 2012 11:26 slOosh wrote: ET was wrong about MG. Janaan was wrong about MG. Jaj22 was wrong about MG. DYH was wrong about MG. Do you see why I have a problem with you leaning anything remotely town on him because he was unsure about MG?? Not only has he not mentioned Steveling's stance on MG in his prior most likely town list, but is hesistant to vote him and resorts to mentioning how confused he is and how he wants to read over the filters, and then ignores this and moves onto trackd00r. Couple of soft evidence (stuff I wouldn't base a case off but definitely supports it) He directs blues. The first thought I had reading the night 2 post was, "Why did they shoot Janaan of all people" - I believe it a vig snipe as vigs are the most dangerous to scum right now - then I asked "How did they identify him as vig"? On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote: Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order Alderan TKHawkins trackd00r Janaan zelblade Remember this? The vig list with no explanation? He is fishing for blues and Janaan takes the bait here Absolutely no reason to make such a list as town. Pro scum agenda. On February 21 2012 11:03 Mattchew wrote: also theres the chance of a miller gum I don't think it is a stretch to say he is experienced enough to know that my case came at day 1 before a possible detective check, and certainly knows there is almost no possibility to me being the 2nd detective after jaj22 flip. Instead of trying to help gumshoe think productively, he puts this in. Pro scum agenda. On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote: Sloosh - he tunneled DYH based on meta and his own case. He blindly stuck by this and I realize that I could have his latest posts have proven him a valuable asset to town. He also could die tonight. Remember to read nothing into it other than it confirms him as town and having the right intentions with his posts. No reason to post the bold part. It is a town thing to make sure people don't WIFOM night kills but there was no danger for this at all. I'm guessing it is redirect of medic prot. In either case, if I'm posting my town reads I don't comment on how much I feel like they will die or not. In the least that logic should apply to anyone who dies, not just me. | ||
slOosh
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Matt steveling ech? Like why? Why are you trying to evoke that kind of paranoia at this stage in the game? THIS IS THE LAST THING WE NEED. Track Alderaan schowrz? thats over half the people still in this game. Someone please please please give me a really strong case so that I don't feel guilty when I lend my vote to a mislynch, kay? Note: This defeatist attitude is brought to you by yesterdays mind fuck and Matt's absurd accusation. Oh and on the severe off chance that either sloosh or ech are scum, thanks to you guys for teaching me to never trust anyone ever again. Btw heres a converstation between schowrz and hawk for your viewing pleasure! "dude are they seriously not voting for us?" "told you man, just don't post, they'll kill each other" "oh boy, townies really are dumb eh?" "they sure are schworz old buddy, they sure are" One last thing so I don't waste a post, Despite what GMarshal's fantastic writing would have us believe mg's death was never part of the mafias plan, they wanted mg to stay in the game as long as possible, Janaan actually did us a favour, he sets us off the wrong track, now we just need to ask ourselves, who laid the track? Who was invested in having mg and three other players stay alive until they could be mislynched? The accusation against ech is a stretch, but the one against matt, well, perhaps it warrants a closer look. | ||
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
1. I have been overly aggressive and spammy 2. I have created chaos in a town setting that needed focus 3. My reads were wrong and are constantly changing 4. I have had a lot of contradicting reads and actions in this game 5. I shut up MG and TK which is where pressure becomes too much pressure 6. My big 4 scum post was bad. The case was not strong especially in a newbie game where everyone is easy to pick on. I have let scum dictate my play, regardless of who the scum team ends up being, they have had a serious negative impact on my reads and overall play. Well WTF have you been doing? Good Question. What most of you don't know (I tried to breadcrumb it through my posts about gumshoe), I have never fully read the thread. I skimmed up until I joined, and then barely followed along until after jaj was shot. This lead me to realize that I probably wasn't going to be making any good cases. I tried to sheep sloosh cause I knew he was good town in the game before. Then I noticed the vote switch. In my first game ever (I was scum) we organized a HUGE ass vote switch last minute. The dimmu lynch brought back these memories, and then seeing exactly 4 people had switched from ET to Dimmu, I thought it almost as a sign from God or something. I followed up on those 4 by reading their filters. I remember (I think it was Adam497 or w.e) saying that he had realized post game that he should have known who was scum because of their refusal to heavily interact with one another. When I saw the minimal (and yes there was a lot of scummy) interactions with these 4, I was ready to be the hero. I then realized that Sloosh was getting his way this game. I did actually read and think his and ET's case was bad on DYH. So finally after realizing that I was not town's hero I went back and re-read the thread. This is why I am fumbling around changing my reads every 3 seconds in a time where we need focus the most. I am playing like shit. For that I honestly have to apologize to town and everyone playing this game. A lot of you called me on my shit play but I was too arrogant to listen. So what Mattchew? You're right this post reeks of scum as well. I know its a little overreaction based on only getting 2 votes but with scum team having 4 votes and me being town I realize that 1 townie vote on me could lead to inevitable death and loss. I've read this far, your post sounds terrible but maybe its honest, anything else I have to say don't lynch me because thats my win condition and I have to play to it. Don't give me sympathy for this post and you should still hammer on me to play better. If I survive and we do lynch scum I will do my best to provide better reads. | ||
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:10 EchelonTee wrote: The reason why you have to think before you post is because you are scum. You have to carefully phrase how you are going to post it, so that it makes u seem unscummy, because if you post directly how you feel/think then it will expose you/ You are considering whether or not to tell me LOL YOU'RE SCUM and go balls to the wall, or to say LOL I WAS JK LETS BE FRIENDS. It has been about 1.5 hours, and you are definitely in thread. The correct, town response, would have been to say "LoL ur just using OMGUS, I'm obviously not scum". I was actually in class from 3:15 to 5:15 EST in Mahwah NJ, and then drove 50 minutes home Bridgewater, NJ and posted from my phone at the tail end of my commute around 6:05pm. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5195 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:26 gumshoe wrote: Oh and on the severe off chance that either sloosh or ech are scum, thanks to you guys for teaching me to never trust anyone ever again. If I was scum, gumshoe, I 95% would've mislynched you D1, unless DYH stopped me. If sloosh is scum then I will cry. like, bawling, on the floor. Will comment on sloosh's/Mattchew's post in a bit, eating dinner. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5195 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:31 Mattchew wrote: I was actually in class from 3:15 to 5:15 EST in Mahwah NJ, and then drove 50 minutes home Bridgewater, NJ and posted from my phone at the tail end of my commute around 6:05pm. ok I believe you that you were away from thread, you don't need to tell me the exact details of your personal life :p | ||
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:23 slOosh wrote: As perhaps seen by my pressuring Steveling after the night 2 post, I have suspected the possibility of Mattchew as scum. The possibility revolved around a Mattchew/Steveling/Alderan / ??? combo, so I wanted to see his response to me voting Steveling. This is why I think Mattchew is scum: The biggest thing is that he still hasn't posted anything. I'll quote myself here: Look at his post day 3 actions. He has STILL yet to post any original content AT ALL. He hasn't done anything constructive with the content produced by his plan, but instead just gave us some town reads and pointed out who he doesn't like with little one liner reasonings. Not contributing anything at all. This type of play is so Anti-Town, and firmly steps into the land of scum when the situation is MYLO and there is no reason why town should hide anything. The next point is observing how he shows favoritism to Alderan and Steveling. The couple things to note here: his absolute certainty that Alderan is town. It is absolute. And it is poor logic too. It's all based on his fixation that his suspects are scum and therefore mafia would not act in such a way => Alderan town. Using WIFOM as a basis for confirmed town reads? Pshh. Second bold line. Look at Mattchew's filter and ctrl f Alderan. He only quotes him once, and shows no indication of thinking Alderan brings up"good discussion points". As for Steveling: Wishy washy on him, but puts him in the most likely town reads section. Doesn't actually give reasoning but just some observations. Another favoritism post I forced out of him here: Not only has he not mentioned Steveling's stance on MG in his prior most likely town list, but is hesistant to vote him and resorts to mentioning how confused he is and how he wants to read over the filters, and then ignores this and moves onto trackd00r. Couple of soft evidence (stuff I wouldn't base a case off but definitely supports it) He directs blues. The first thought I had reading the night 2 post was, "Why did they shoot Janaan of all people" - I believe it a vig snipe as vigs are the most dangerous to scum right now - then I asked "How did they identify him as vig"? Remember this? The vig list with no explanation? He is fishing for blues and Janaan takes the bait here Absolutely no reason to make such a list as town. Pro scum agenda. I don't think it is a stretch to say he is experienced enough to know that my case came at day 1 before a possible detective check, and certainly knows there is almost no possibility to me being the 2nd detective after jaj22 flip. Instead of trying to help gumshoe think productively, he puts this in. Pro scum agenda. No reason to post the bold part. It is a town thing to make sure people don't WIFOM night kills but there was no danger for this at all. I'm guessing it is redirect of medic prot. In either case, if I'm posting my town reads I don't comment on how much I feel like they will die or not. In the least that logic should apply to anyone who dies, not just me. 90% of this case is based on me believing in my reads. I remember when someone else in this thread did that.... however I guess I unintentionally blue hunt... I actually just was trying to be like a lot of vets here and tell people they need a bullet. I did think you were gonna get shot... but the fact that you haven't is completely beyond me WIFOM.. oh and btw your gut feel read on steveling is not and should not convince anyone he's scum. I will never vote into a MYLO situation based on a gut feel | ||
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:34 EchelonTee wrote: ok I believe you that you were away from thread, you don't need to tell me the exact details of your personal life :p i can show you online sched and car mileage too if you would like | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:27 Mattchew wrote: Why it is reasonable to vote for Mattchew (me) 1. I have been overly aggressive and spammy 2. I have created chaos in a town setting that needed focus 3. My reads were wrong and are constantly changing 4. I have had a lot of contradicting reads and actions in this game 5. I shut up MG and TK which is where pressure becomes too much pressure 6. My big 4 scum post was bad. The case was not strong especially in a newbie game where everyone is easy to pick on. I have let scum dictate my play, regardless of who the scum team ends up being, they have had a serious negative impact on my reads and overall play. Well WTF have you been doing? Good Question. What most of you don't know (I tried to breadcrumb it through my posts about gumshoe), I have never fully read the thread. I skimmed up until I joined, and then barely followed along until after jaj was shot. This lead me to realize that I probably wasn't going to be making any good cases. I tried to sheep sloosh cause I knew he was good town in the game before. Then I noticed the vote switch. In my first game ever (I was scum) we organized a HUGE ass vote switch last minute. The dimmu lynch brought back these memories, and then seeing exactly 4 people had switched from ET to Dimmu, I thought it almost as a sign from God or something. I followed up on those 4 by reading their filters. I remember (I think it was Adam497 or w.e) saying that he had realized post game that he should have known who was scum because of their refusal to heavily interact with one another. When I saw the minimal (and yes there was a lot of scummy) interactions with these 4, I was ready to be the hero. I then realized that Sloosh was getting his way this game. I did actually read and think his and ET's case was bad on DYH. So finally after realizing that I was not town's hero I went back and re-read the thread. This is why I am fumbling around changing my reads every 3 seconds in a time where we need focus the most. I am playing like shit. For that I honestly have to apologize to town and everyone playing this game. A lot of you called me on my shit play but I was too arrogant to listen. So what Mattchew? You're right this post reeks of scum as well. I know its a little overreaction based on only getting 2 votes but with scum team having 4 votes and me being town I realize that 1 townie vote on me could lead to inevitable death and loss. I've read this far, your post sounds terrible but maybe its honest, anything else I have to say don't lynch me because thats my win condition and I have to play to it. Don't give me sympathy for this post and you should still hammer on me to play better. If I survive and we do lynch scum I will do my best to provide better reads. Matt do you wanna know what itll take for me not to lynch you? I wanna see hawk get modkilled, and flip scum, thats all im asking for, someone give me that and I will stand by you to the bitter mylo. | ||
GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:41 gumshoe wrote: Matt do you wanna know what itll take for me not to lynch you? I wanna see hawk get modkilled, and flip scum, thats all im asking for, someone give me that and I will stand by you to the bitter mylo. I'm not your DT | ||
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
yeah i dont wanna comment on this lol | ||
Alderan
United States463 Posts
On February 24 2012 06:45 EchelonTee wrote: LMAO, I'm way more aggresive this game than last. I don't post setup posts when I'm scum to specifically avoid them. I don't use WIFOM when I'm scum to avoid them. When I'm scum, I actually play a MORE CAREFUL game. I find it hilarious that you're using out of thread stuff to try and prove things, fully contradictory to your meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta nonsense. The difference is that when I buddied to prplhz, I specifically avoided making any comment on his alignment until he was a confirmed townie. Not only is sloosh not a confirmed townie, but me and him had a BACK AND FORTH early game that made people think I was scum. Why the hell would I do that as scum? You're definitely scum now Mattchew. Thanks for clearing that up for me, and grats for not voting me even though ur making a huge accusation. ##Unvote: Steveling ##Vote: Mattchew Oh look, we found the 4th scum. How convenient. Also someone said this before me but I need to reiterate. There is NO WAY that TK is gonna get modkilled, he'll post eventually. He successfully got all the attention off of himself but that cannot stand. ##Vote: TKHawkins | ||
Alderan
United States463 Posts
##Vote: TKHawkins | ||
Alderan
United States463 Posts
Sure Mattchew's posts are abrasive, but definitely not scummy. Apparently neither of you can distinguish between the two (see DYH). I can not fathom how you would vote for a case like that over someone like TK who has all but admitted to being scum..... | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
ok fine, then I'm not gonna vote for matt cause I don't think he's scum(cant blame me for pulling an Illidan though) if any one wants to know why then just ask me, I'm done making long posts if I don't have too / : | ||
ZBot
194 Posts
Current votes: trackd00r (4): zelblade, Mattchew, Steveling, gumshoe Mattchew (2): EchelonTee, slOosh TKHawkins (1): Steveling (0): Not voting: rgTheSchworz, trackd00r, TKHawkins The Day deadline is at 2012-02-25 09:00:00. (That's approximately 23:13:01 from now.) | ||
trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
I've read the sloosh vs Mattchew argument, and In my opinion both players lean town. They are not trying to win this game as mafia jumping to an easy target to mislynch. Instead, they try to point alternatives which is game is going for. I think sl0osh would tunnel up to death to some of the best candidates like TK, but instead, has chosen to pressure and eventually vote for Steveling. Then he goes to Mattchew. He is opening up new posibilities, something that we really need in this MYLO situation. As for mattchew, he recognized that he didn't do good reads and such. He says that he will play better and re-evaluate his intentions, what is something good I must say. His play and the results that we were getting of out this before were a huge blow for us, and now that he is willing to change his actions, I don't see why would he let this fade away as scum. He did this claim just after sl0osh accused him though, so I'm not convinced 100% he is town. This is just preliminary and it's what I'm looking at the moment. | ||
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
I dont thing I'm gonna end up voting for track just because I feel like hes getting bussed, didn't like how steveling said we were all going dyh on him, did not sound like something a town who knows he's town would say, sounds more like something scum would say to make us doubt ourselves and if there was ever a time for a scum to play the DYH card, that was it. I am willing to lynch steveling just because I feel like he was trying to say the thing that would make us doubt ourselves as opposed to trying to fight for his innocence. That said sloosh's case against him is weak, I am for lynching him more so because of his response, why cant we lynch a lurker again? | ||
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