Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII - Page 48

On February 23 2012 21:13 zelblade wrote:
So it seems that vig shot has pushed us to MYLO. Well at the very least this shows us that mattchew's case is weak.

I have read through the thread and various filters and I still think that trackd00r is definately our best option today.

Trackdoor doesnt have any strong reads, nor does he actively push them. Looking through his filter, one can easily see that he has been sheeping all game long. He starts out by getting onto the ET wagon based on his "flashy and agressive" attitude. Afterwards, during the minutes leading up to the day 1 lynch, he propses Dimmuklok - using Aldrean's accusations as his base - as an alternative targert since we apparently couldnt get a lynch on either MG or ET. He than accuses DYH, before throwing out a weak (and never followed up) FOS on Aldrean, than goes back to voting for DoYouHas. After that he goes on to accuse hawkins after the mattchew case comes up.

Look through his filter and you will notice that all his accusations are really SAFE. He hasnt called out anyone for anything unless someone else has already done it. He says that he doesnt like ET's behaviour, but only votes after I have done so. His pick for a day 1 lynch is a safe lurker. He pushes DYH day 2 after pretty much everyone has decided to lynch him. He FOS's Aldrean only after MG's case. He attacks hawkins only after mattchew's case. Even in there, he selects the easiest targert among the four - the one under the most scrunity - TKHawkins. Not to mention that his case is really weak, and even his read on Hawkins isnt a hard one. Notice how his only scum read coming into day 3 is Hawkins. This is proof that he hasnt been actively hunting scum. Just look at this post for example.



What he has here is simple. He has one scum read on Hawkins, and feels that MG could be a "mastermind" due to his interactions with hawkins. He is null on me. Town on Matt. Why, as town, would he have only ONE scum read coming into day 3? Why, as town, hasnt he been actively hunting down scum? Why is he being so flip-floppy about his reads? Notice how he promises his thoughts on MG and to read my filter. Notice how these thoughts never come.

Instead, what has he done with his remaining time? Its goddammed MYLO and hes a viable lynch candidate. Why, is he not trying his best to prove his innocence at this point by getting his thoughts out? Instead, lets take a look at his gem of a last post.



What is the townie motivation - especially one on the chopping block at MYLO - to posting this? Instead of getting his suspisions out there, he goes ahead to discuss the ways mafia can win....? There is zero motivation for a townie who was on the road to getting mislynched and losing the game because of it to post something like this. Once again, I dont see why a townie at this stage would have the time to type up a load of crap regarding mafia stratergy yet not be able to make any sort of subsantial case against anyone.

The numerous cases against trackd00r also add on to the fact that trackd0or is scum. Which is also why he gets my vote for today.

##Vote: trackd00r

On February 19 2012 11:56 EchelonTee wrote:
Post Game Thoughts

I'm doing this kind of free-form and without pre-thought, so it might be sort of all over the place. First of all, my sincerest apologies to Timeaisis, Sinensis, and TheToast; I insulted/berated you guys to try and achieve my win condition. I hope you didn't take it personally and will still play TL Mafia. I'm still working on my playstyle for both town and mafia, and this game I might've gone a little too far at times.

Personally:

The Good:

-Game plan: I essentially wanted to play a game similar to my first game (make big analytical posts that look convincing, but are utterly wrong), but I knew that I would have to be more active considering my two teammates we're being lurky. This worked out VERY WELL; even though my play was not as solid as it could have been, as I had a few slips of suspicion, by the end game, I had worked up enough cred that there was no way I could have been lynched over one of the lurkers.

-prplhz: My attachment to prplhz worked better than I could have expected. At the very start of the game I knew that prplhz was a threat due to his prior experience with sinani. My initial game plan revolved around getting prplhz mislynched D2, then taking down the people accusing him (TheToast, maybe Sentinel or someone). However, prplhz busted out that shot on sinani and my game went to hell. Luckily, I hadn't made a real stand on prplhz and had been soft defending him by arguing against the logic on him. That, coupled with the fact that prplhz liked my reads, meant that when he became confirmed townie, there was almost no way I was going to be lynched. Confirmed townies can be very powerful for town, but this game showed the danger of Mafia buddying; I was in prplhz blindspot, and even if he had suspected me, he was not going to pursue me over others.

-Sowing chaos while pretending not to: There were a lot of players who were disrupting town environment unintentionally. Prplhz, for voting kind of erratically without analysis (in a game full of new players, voting w/o analysis is taboo), Sinensis vote leader plan, Sentinel's aloof nature, etc. Because I criticized all of this less-than-pro-town actions, it looked as though I was trying to keep the town together, when in reality, by criticizing all of these people I increased discord.

The Bad:

-Looks accountable, actually not at all: My calling out of Timeaisis was not anti-town, in my personal opinion. If I was town, I could still see myself thinking that Timeaisis was a newbie scum. However, as prplhz hinted at, after D1 my appearance became much less assured. I didn't commit as strongly as I did before. If people had scrutinized the thread more, they would notice that I barely interacted with BF, and that my analysis on him only came after it was all but assured he was going to be lynched. I'm not sure how to rectify this; I feel that trying to appear like an over-confident townie for too long is dangerous, but if I shy away from that in later days, I look bad, as the obs QT furiously claimed.

-we bad at making shots: This one, I'm not quite sure on, but I think the Mafia shots could have been better. We were only able to spot the blues after they both claimed, and we shot people with low town presence anyways. My overall plan was to shoot out the blues, because I felt that a lot of the scummy players I could get mislynched. It also was good that we didn't shoot TheToast, as he got medic protected, but still: I had no clue that Sentinel was blue, except for that small hint he left out. And of course, his claim rofl rofl.

Do you guys think that the shots Mafia made were good? Were there any earlier signs that Sentinel was a medic? Also, as a rule of thumb is it better to try and go blue hunting, or to shoot dangerous townies with town-cred?

-dat vet claim: It was fun to do, but it brought unnecessary attention. The Delay mechanic in this game was more powerful than I expected; it helped me hide behind the scummy/lurky townies. However, I should have just delayed, let the town speculate about what happened to the KP, then win the game with ease.

-communication: we needed more of it, simply put. sinani dying so early was detrimental for this, of course.


In General

-Town needs good environment!!: The town in this game loved to argue with each other: prplhz and TheToast especially. Because TheToast comitted very early to a strong scum read on prplhz, prplhz was never going to fully back TheToast. Similarly, the discord sown by Sinensis calling people imbeciles, and Bluelightz list spamming, meant that the town had little chance. Towns don't necessarily have to be super organized, but they at least have to be cohesive.

-always be willing to revise your opinions!: I'm not sure how much prplhz thought I was town, but because he didn't rly reasses me, I went unnoticed. Similarly, TheToast's strong adherance to his initial reads of prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel meant that he had little leeway when the mislynches started piling up. TheToast's strong posting meant that a lot of the town followed him in those beliefs, and the lack of reassessment hurt the town. D1 reads are very very hard to get right, so trying to come up with the FULL scum team and push this for most of N1 is not the best.

on the other hand:

-be willing to go all out if you think/know you're right: TheToast could have gone after me harder. Sentinel could have crafted a better defense without claiming. Nisani could have defended himself way better. Part of the reason that I stayed alive was that I was willing to put up long ass posts defending myself. Vanilla townies need to be willing to put up the work so that the game can go on.

-Tainted? Framer? I did not really get the point of the tainted and the framer in this set up. While having a RBer around, with no blues, is very interesting because the Mafia might RB into greens and assume there are blues, the Framer gives no notification, so there is less hindrence to Mafia. On the other hand, the presence of these factors may make town think that there is a DT, and they might become dependent on this notion. I think this was a bad thing for town, as they speculated a decent amount on blues that were never going to manifest.

I had a fun time, and put a lot of work into this game, so I'm glad it paid off. thx to sinani and BF for setting up the Mafia for the win. BIG thanks to GMarshal and redFF for hosting, and for answering my numerous, nooby questions. TheToast, you nearly had me; with a more cohesive town you'll do just fine.