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*RedFF is helping me co-host this game. Any questions can be directed towards him or myself.
Normal Mini Mafia I + Show Spoiler [Important Posts] +
Introduction: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account. . Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting: Mod Font: This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. I have zero tolerance for flaming.
Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Flamewheel, or Mig before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Out of thread communication: It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in this thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: GMarshal. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. You MAY vote for a no lynch by posting ##Vote: No Lynch
Signups: This game is open to anyone. Signups will remain open until all 12 spots have been filled .
Game-specific rules: Modkills: This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Flamewheel or post in the Ban List.
Replacements This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until Night 3. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
Clues: There are NO clues.
PMs PMs are NOT allowed in this game.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 03:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.
Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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Roles
In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war
It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor of Mankind has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of Man for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die.Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in His name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever-vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat to humanity from aliens, heretics, mutants -- and far, far worse. To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
This is a semi-open setup, that is, you will know what roles can be present, but not the exact role counts.
Imperial Forces Imperial (Town) win condition: The forces of the Imperium win when all threats to the integrity of the regiment are dead, that is when no cultists or third parties with conflicting win conditions remain.
Imperial Powers- All players of the imperium may vote every day for who they wish to kill. At the end of the day, the player with a majority of votes is executed (majority equals 1/2 the number of players, rounded down, plus one). If there is no majority, no player is lynched.
Imperial Guardsman (Vanilla Townie) You are one among untold billions, your only hope is to serve the emperor and in so doing avoid eternal damnation. Your weapons and armor are powerless against the powers of darkness. Your objective is simple, kill the cult before they wipe out the the rest of your regiment. To do this you have to power to vote for who is to be executed every day.
Imperial Priest (Medic) Another mortal in the service of the emperor, you too seek to wipe out the taint of evil on this planet. With the power of prayer to the emperor and magical charms you can protect others from the taint of chaos. Every night you may choose to ward any player in the game, if he is hit you reduce the incoming KP by one, if the kp is reduced to 0 then the player does not die. Neither you nor the player you ward will be informed if any kp are deflected.
Imperial Psyker (Detective) You are blessed and cursed individual, you have the power to reach into the void and see the true intent of others, but this puts your soul and your very life at risk. Every night you may choose to check a player, and find out if they are Tainted or Not Tainted. You are guaranteed to be sane.
Imperial Stormtrooper (Veteran) You are an expert at war, tempered in the very forges of hell against the darkest scions of chaos and the most powerful enemies of the empire. Thanks to your octagramic wards, the first kp to be aimed at you during the game is harmlessly dispelled. You will be notified if this happens.
Imperial Commissar (Vigilante) You are an orphan, raised by the imperium to better serve against the enemies of the emperor. Your training is as a leader of men, and in this dark time it is your duty to do so. You posses a single shot of blessed ammunition, entrusted to you by the Adepta Sororitas, you may use it during any night, and it counts as a single KP. This shot may not be refunded for any reason. (If you are roleblocked a night you choose to fire you do not lose your bullet)
Additional Rules: The taint of chaos- Any imperial player may be tainted by chaos, irregardless of role, anyone tainted by chaos returns Tainted to Psykers. (Basically a miller mechanic, that applies regardless of role)
Forces of Chaos
Chaos Wincondition (Mafia)- The forces of chaos win when they outnumber the forces of the imperium, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Chaos Traits -All members of the forces of chaos may communicate with each other and choose who to kill every night. They also communally have one kp. They also have the Delay power communally. That is, any night, they may choose to withhold their kill, and instead have 2 kp the following night. For example, they may choose to not kill anyone night 1, and instead have two kp night 2, they must inform the host if they choose to use this power, and it cannot be used consecutively (e.g if you use it night 1, you may not use it night 2). All mafia players may vote as normal imperial citizens.
Chaos Cultist (Mafia Goon)- You have pledged your soul to the dark gods, and now seek to bring about the downfall and slaughter of this regiment for the glory of the Ruinous Powers. You are too lowly of a worm to have received any dark blessings, so you hide among the members of the regiment, plotting their downfall. You may communicate with other members of your cell, and every night you may choose who your cult wishes to sacrifice to the dark gods.
Chaos Fatespinner (Mafia Rolecop)- Blessed (or cursed) by the dark god Tzeentch, you have the all seeing eye, which can peer into the minds of your enemies, divining their powers. Every night you may check a player, and find out what their role is.
Chaos Plaguebearer (Mafia Roleblocker) - You have the blessing (or curse) of Nurgle! Every night you may choose to inflict a player with a gutwrenching infection, the sheer agony and suffering will prevent them from performing any night actions. This doesn't affect passive abilities, and the victim will be informed that they spent the night ailed by the plague.
Chaos Hedonist (Mafia Framer)- A servant of Slaanesh, every night you may choose to visit a player, if they are not servants of the ruinous powers, you will fill their dreams with lust and dark desire, making them seem Tainted to Psykers. If they are fellow worshippers of darkness, you will hide their taint behind pleasure, confounding Psykers and causing them to appear Not Tainted
Also, each role has custom fluff, to deter any silly ideas like name claiming, the mafia will receive fake claims at the start of the game, and may, at any point request up to three more safe-claims from me and I will provide them, safe claims can be for any role. (A note to the scumteam, try to order safeclaims with some time for me to write them, especially considering as I'm not on 24/7. "I need a claim in 3 minutes" is likely not going to get you anything useful)
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Player List + Show Spoiler [ contains game spoilers!] +Mafia Victory 1.) Bluelightz Filter an Imperial Guardsman (Vanilla Townie) Endgamed 2.) EchelonTee Filter a Chaos Hedonist (Mafia Framer)- Win by exterminating the town! 3.) TheToast Filter an Imperial Guardsman (Vanilla Townie) killed night 5 4.) sinani206 Filter a Chaos Plaguebearer (Mafia Roleblocker)- killed night 1 5.) Nisani201 Filteran Imperial Guardsman (Vanilla Townie) lynched day 5 6.) Sinensis Filter an Imperial Guardsman (Vanilla Townie) lynched day 2 7.) mderg Filter an Imperial Guardsman (Vanilla Townie) killed night 2 8.) [UoN]Sentinel Filter Tainted Imperial Priest (Medic Miller) killed night 3 9.) Vilonis Filter a Tainted Imperial Guardsman (Miller) Killed night 1 10.) BaronFel Filtera Chaos Cultist (Mafia Goon)- Lynched day 4 11.) prplhz Filter Imperial Commissar (Vigilante) killed night 5 12.) Timeaisis Filter an Imperial Guardsman (Vanilla Townie) lynched day 1
Replacements
1.) Mattchew 2.) rgTheSchworz 3.) Navillus 4.) Nemesis 5.)
1/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/? Chaos Cultist(s) ?/? Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/? Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/? Chaos Hedonist(s)
3/9 Imperial Forces Remain ?/? Imperial Guardsmen ?/? Imperial Priest(s) ?/? Imperial Psyker(s) ?/? Imperial Stormtrooper(s) ?/? Imperial Commissar(s) ?/? Tainted By Chaos
Mafia KP always equals one, but they may use the delay power. PM me for the observer QT
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On January 26 2012 21:52 GMarshal wrote: 3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/? Chaos Cultist(s) ?/? Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/? Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/? Chaos Hedonist(s)
4 scum roles, 3 scum?
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On January 26 2012 23:52 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 21:52 GMarshal wrote: 3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/? Chaos Cultist(s) ?/? Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/? Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/? Chaos Hedonist(s)
4 scum roles, 3 scum? 0/0 is a possibility. Not all roles included in the OP are necessarily present.
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I can totally guess the amount of each roles now :p
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will this start after newbie III i'll /in if so... if not i'll /in as a replacement
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On January 27 2012 00:56 Mattchew wrote: will this start after newbie III i'll /in if so... if not i'll /in as a replacement Starts when full, so I'll put you in as a replacement.
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Opening a warhammer 40k themed game when you know I'm playing hammer mini mafia is unfair.
(also, die monkeigh)
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Blazinghand
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Die for the emperor or die trying!
Wish i had time for this... gl hf everyone
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most un-normal normal game ever??
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On January 27 2012 01:58 EchelonTee wrote: most un-normal normal game ever?? Flavor heavy, but no odd mechanics, unless you think that the Delay mechanic is strange, which I might concede, although all it really does is screw with kp to avoid kp confirmation.
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Same as mattchew. If Newbie finishes by the time this starts, im /in.
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nup, it's always ceiling, no matter if odd or not :p Majority for 0 = 1 majority for 1 = 1 majority for 2 = 2 majority for 3 = 2 majority for 4 = 3 majority for 5 = 3 majority for 6 = 4 .... Edit: massive fail, it should be floor all the time and I'm massivly confused right now :p
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probably a good way to get back into playing /in
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*re-reads post* holy shit wtf did i just read
lol ill play anyway.
glhf
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Much rather play in a mini game than a normal game.
/in
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On January 27 2012 19:46 Bluelightz wrote:Delay Poll Poll: Should there be Delay?Yes (6) 75% No (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Should there be Delay? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Delay is here for balance reasons, its not going anywhere.
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Blazinghand
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On January 26 2012 21:52 GMarshal wrote:Forces of Chaos Chaos Wincondition (Mafia)- The forces of chaos win when they outnumber the forces of the imperium, or nothing can stop that from happening. Chaos Traits -All members of the forces of chaos may communicate with each other and choose who to kill every night. They also communally have one kp. They also have the Delay power communally. That is, any night, they may choose to withhold their kill, and instead have 2 kp the following night. For example, they may choose to not kill anyone night 1, and instead have two kp night 2, they must inform the host if they choose to use this power, and it cannot be used consecutively (e.g if you use it night 1, you may not use it night 2). All mafia players may vote as normal imperial citizens.
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whoa gm when u get banhammer?
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/in as replacement. I want to play but I don't want to take away any time from newbie mini, at least for the time being
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On January 28 2012 10:48 sinani206 wrote: whoa gm when u get banhammer? Like a week ago :-P
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On January 28 2012 12:31 GMarshal wrote:Like a weak ago :-P purposeful weak?
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Not properly proofreading weak :-P
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/in as a newbie I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing.
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On January 29 2012 03:03 Vilonis wrote:/in as a newbie I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing. Only newbies on the player list so far so don't worry! I hope you have fun and stick around
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On January 29 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 03:03 Vilonis wrote:/in as a newbie I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing. Only newbies on the player list so far so don't worry! I hope you have fun and stick around
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On January 29 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 03:03 Vilonis wrote:/in as a newbie I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing. Only newbies on the player list so far so don't worry! I hope you have fun and stick around
HEY IVE PLAYED 17 GAMES. SEVEN FUCKING TEEN BRO UMAD?
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/in as a newbie and I'm don't have any posts because one of my friends just told me about tl mafia so I actually had to create an account.
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On January 29 2012 09:42 Oneshoteagle wrote: /in as a newbie and I'm don't have any posts because one of my friends just told me about tl mafia so I actually had to create an account.
Never too late to start. TL Mafia gets your post count through the roof if you're an active participant, so it'll get you cred on other places in the site too.
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/in if there's still room
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On January 29 2012 08:26 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote:On January 29 2012 03:03 Vilonis wrote:/in as a newbie I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing. Only newbies on the player list so far so don't worry! I hope you have fun and stick around HEY IVE PLAYED 17 GAMES. SEVEN FUCKING TEEN BRO UMAD? YOU KILLED MY COMMAND CENTER
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On January 30 2012 02:25 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 08:26 sinani206 wrote:On January 29 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote:On January 29 2012 03:03 Vilonis wrote:/in as a newbie I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing. Only newbies on the player list so far so don't worry! I hope you have fun and stick around HEY IVE PLAYED 17 GAMES. SEVEN FUCKING TEEN BRO UMAD? YOU KILLED MY COMMAND CENTER Don't worry he's not the wolf
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On January 29 2012 08:26 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote:On January 29 2012 03:03 Vilonis wrote:/in as a newbie I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing. Only newbies on the player list so far so don't worry! I hope you have fun and stick around HEY IVE PLAYED 17 GAMES. SEVEN FUCKING TEEN BRO UMAD?
SPACE MARINES, AAAAAHHHTTTTAAAAAAACCCKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can we be done with the caplocks now? They make my eyes hurt.
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On January 31 2012 02:33 GMarshal wrote: Can we be done with the caplocks now? They make my eyes hurt.
-_-
Hmmm this sounds awful chaos-y to me. Who else would object to paying homage to our great and mighty emperor?
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Sorry GMarshal!
/IN
I'm in another game so if anybody else wants my spot that's fine by me.
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Alright, game is now full!
Role PMs going out tonight if I can manage it, if not tomorrow night!
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You can manage it! You represent the element of management! You are the GoRush of mafia hosts!
Anyway, I'm really excited as always
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woot
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Damn, 3 pages in and we've already started. This is going by fast.
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waiting anxiously ahhhh. been reading all the other games going in nervous anticipation
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I am so excited! GL HF Everyone!
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Roles out tomorrow, need to finish writing some of the fluff.
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np
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Reading over the roles one more time before the game starts, I have one question,
Can a mod please explain the safe-claim rule? I don't quite understand what they are or how they work/how they would prevent role claims.
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On February 01 2012 13:28 Vilonis wrote: Reading over the roles one more time before the game starts, I have one question,
Can a mod please explain the safe-claim rule? I don't quite understand what they are or how they work/how they would prevent role claims. They don't prevent role claims, or at least not directly. What happens is I give the mafia three town role PMs at the start of the game along with their mafia roles, so that if the town attempts to use a mass claim they can claim real town roles, and won't be called out on something like "All townie PMs have the phrase 'good luck have fun' as the last line and you didn't claim that! Lynch!"
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Votecount for day 5. With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
Current votes:
Nisani201 (4): prplhz, EchelonTee, Bluelightz, TheToast
EchelonTee (1): Nisani201
Bluelightz (0): Nisani201, -Nisani201
Not voting:
The Day deadline is at 2012-02-16 12:00:00. (It's over.)
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Do I still have time to sit this one out, or do I have to wait for another one since the roster is full already?
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On February 02 2012 08:25 chaos13 wrote: Do I still have time to sit this one out, or do I have to wait for another one since the roster is full already?
You can still sit it out since it hasn't started.
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Roles going out, no posting until the day post please ^_^
EDIT: Roles are out PM me if you didn't get one.
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Day 1
To the common masses our struggle is a fight, a war. A battle fought with sinew and muscle, with bolt, blade and bomb, with tank and warship. T those of us in high station this is nought but a conflict of will! A struggle of the metaphysic dimension. The Soul of Mankind is our battleground. The very existence of the human race is the prize for victory. Our sanity is the sacrifice we make to win that laurel.
In his office aboard the Imperial battlecruiser The Glory of Terra high inquisitor GMarshal sat, pondering. The ship had been stopped for five days now, for no apparent reason. The Geller fields refusing to start, the navigator seemingly lost. There could only be one source for this disturbance, the ruinous powers, chaos itself was aboard this ship. But how to find it? Clearly the source was among the imperial guardsmen that had just boarded the ship but how to weed it out?
GMarshal's thoughts were interrupted by RedFF's entrance. "High Inquisitor?" RedFF asked, raising an eyebrow. GMarshal looked up, a look of annoyance flashing across his face. "Yes?" he asked. RedFF just grinned manically and yelled "For Ruin and Chaos!", pressing the cleverly concealed detonator in his coat. The red and blue mess of blood was all that was left of both of them in the ruined office.
In the inquisitors vault a set of instructions was found, it read: "Chaos is in your midst. Weed it out with fire and steel. May the Emperor watch over you!" The task was clear, to leave this ship, the chaos must be purged.
RedFF, the Khorne Fanatic has detonated! GMarshal, the High Inquisitor was caught in the blast!
Who is to judge what is right and what is wrong? Great and powerful foes surround us; unknown miscreants gnaw at us from within. We are threatened with total annihilation. In days such as these we can afford no luxury of morality. Behind the bright lights hide a multitude of horrors as would disgust and repel the most stout-hearted of men. So it is with determination and unflinching duty that we must face those vile and terrible things - for if not use, then who? The creatures of the Warp have but one trait which you need to concern yourself - their undying contempt for the Emperor. It is your task to quell the rebellion they preach, and the only sure way is to destroy them utterly. Cast out the mutant, the traitor, the heretic! For every enemy without there are a hundred within. Beware their secret clans and hidden ways. The only cult we do not abhor is that of the Emperor!
It is now day 1, you have a little under 48 hours to determine who to execute. Remember to vote in the correct format if you want your vote to count. Failure to vote will result in a modkill.
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so... how's it shaking peoples
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Okay having checked out some of the old minis that GMarshal has hosted, town has a tendency to lose to inactivity. Lets not have this happen again. It's pretty hard to predict the setup from that, it has varied from 2 veterans to 1 roleblocker all vanilla and to dt/medic/roleblocker combos. GMarshal is totally unpredictable. What I do know is that he likes analysis and he might have put in roles to encourage this like he did in III (that I was scum in, we lynched the two veterans for a flawless victory ezpz).
Why did you drop "Surprisingly" from this game series name?
Anyway, since this is a semi-open setup with very normal roles, I don't think it makes sense to discuss plans. I can't even think of one, but I'm horrible at plans anyway. This means a ton of behavioral analysis which is going to be nice, I could use the training alright.
Oh yea, and I'll be trying to play kind of how I did in Responsibility Mafia! if you want to read another one of my games. Going to try to keep the good things (shooting wherebugsgo in the face/groin and defenestrating him) and throw away some of the bad things (calling out for BloodyC0bbler's lynch).
Hello. My name is prplhz. You killed my command center. Prepare to die.
##Vote: sinani206
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lmao, looking at mini III, D1 lynch was sinani, a veteran. COINCIDENCE?!?!?
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Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. Obviously, the forces of chaos are at work...
Need to understand all the players. Hrmmm...
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what do you mean by need to understand all the players?
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Well, I mean I want to hear from everyone before I vote. That's all.
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Makes sense. Do you have any experience playing Mafia style games?
@prplz how do you suggest we get people to talk? D1 discussion is always a lulz fest; having something to go on is better than nothing. Like BC's mason plan in TL Mafia L.
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I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good.
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Our captain has been killed by a Chaos scum suicide bomber. The Chaos have agents aboard!
I am going to get what information I have been able to gather out in the open. A more experienced officer can correct me if I've gotten something wrong:
Our original roster for this voyage only had 9 Imperials aboard. There are 12 total aboard; meaning 3 enemy agents.
Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies.
I have the same position as Timeaisis. I want to hear everyone say at least one thing before we decide who to kill first... that doesn't change the fact that there are people on this ship who must be killed in the name of the emperor. As of right now we outnumber the scum, killing randomly seems like it will statistically cripple our chances.
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On February 02 2012 13:13 EchelonTee wrote: Makes sense. Do you have any experience playing Mafia style games?
@prplz how do you suggest we get people to talk? D1 discussion is always a lulz fest; having something to go on is better than nothing. Like BC's mason plan in TL Mafia L. Well this setup is pretty basic, all of the roles are roles that we've played with before. The mason thing in L was a big topic because that kind of role isn't very common (to my knowledge).
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On February 02 2012 13:40 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 13:13 EchelonTee wrote: Makes sense. Do you have any experience playing Mafia style games?
@prplz how do you suggest we get people to talk? D1 discussion is always a lulz fest; having something to go on is better than nothing. Like BC's mason plan in TL Mafia L. Well this setup is pretty basic, all of the roles are roles that we've played with before. The mason thing in L was a big topic because that kind of role isn't very common (to my knowledge).
My point isn't about role discussion; it's that even if talking about a plan can muddle up the thread somewhat (read: town palmar lynched), it ultimately forces people to take hardline stances and what not. People are starting to talk now so whatevs
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The inquisitor has fallen to the taint of chaos!! We must avenge him and destroy the taint of Chaos where ever it may hide! For the glory of the Emperor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On February 02 2012 13:33 Sinensis wrote:
I have the same position as Timeaisis. I want to hear everyone say at least one thing before we decide who to kill first... that doesn't change the fact that there are people on this ship who must be killed in the name of the emperor. As of right now we outnumber the scum, killing randomly seems like it will statistically cripple our chances.
Agreed. But if someone remains silent for too long we may have no choice but to choose them.
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ooc: Hey that was 1500, cool I'm a reaver yaya!!
For the Glory of the Imperium!!!!
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Any Chaos scum want to turn themselves in while they can? I can't promise a quick death... but it'll be quicker than if you make us find you, I assure.
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In the short time I have been reading about mafia (4ish? days), D1 seems to be a dilemma. Some have suggested a random lynch (Newbie Mini Mafia III), but that is statistically in favor of the mafia. Others have suggested a no lynch, but that is also in favor of the scum. Some players choose to remain as quiet as possible, because when all you have to go on is what people say based on nothing, any mistake can end your life, regardless of your affiliation. However, remaining silent also gets you killed, again, regardless of your role.
One thing is clear, we must force the traitors among us to speak! I am an instrument of the Emperor's will, the taint of chaos can not hide from our sight. Let us actively seek out the unclean. If we do not, it could be the doom of us all. Time is our enemy, truth is our strength.
Sidenote: I love the warhammer theme, I could really get into this!
Let me inquire you, my brothers. What shall be our course of action to seek out and purge the heretics among us?
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On February 02 2012 14:31 Vilonis wrote: One thing is clear, we must force the traitors among us to speak!
This is good. Need people to talk to get reads.
On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote:
Agreed. But if someone remains silent for too long we may have no choice but to choose them.
This is bad. If someone just hasn't said anything, then they're on chopping black to get modkilled. If someone does something suspicious then sort of drifts off with weak defense, THAT is something to look at, but you don't just lynch inactives. They are rarely mafia. unless it's a huge game.
AKA lynch all lurkers is bad
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BTW, if you're new make sure you read the rules meticulously. like, no editing posts (ESPECIALLY THIS ONE), no posting pix of your inbox, etc. town suciding by rule ignorance is the worst.
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OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. So what is the best strategy, D1? Lynch or no lynch? Its seems both of those are in favor of scum, but I guess we just have to play it by ear.
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EBWOP: I think my wording was a bit unclear, meant to say that especially take note that editing posts is not allowed.
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hi guys; just saw my role pm going to bed now, gnight
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On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. So what is the best strategy, D1? Lynch or no lynch? Its seems both of those are in favor of scum, but I guess we just have to play it by ear.
Ahhh don't take advice from anyone in game once it has started, you have no idea who could be chaos (mafia) and is feeding you bad information. Go read the sticky-ed strategy threads in the mafia forum if you need help.
Though I suppose the very nature of that advice precludes you from taking the advice I just gave you.... well okay don't take any in-game advice from people starting.... now.
For the glory of the Emperor!
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On February 02 2012 15:27 sinani206 wrote: hi guys; just saw my role pm going to bed now, gnight
You've already gotten one vote for lynching, and you have nothing to say about that?
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A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb,
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I agree. But not because probablity. 25% isn't great, but you're right that it'll only get worse. I think we should lynch the first night because if we don't the agents of chaos may start to get comfortable. I figure we need to lynch so they know immediately we're out for them and we don't think twice about accidently killing our own. If we don't lynch, then all we have the next day is more talk, which may still yield nothing. At least lynching someone will promote some sort of reaction from the rest of us, giving us more to go on next time.
My two cents, anyway.
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I have fought these Chaos infidels on a different front. These Chaos agents will make you beg for that 25% later if you let them.
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Sup guys got my role PM anyway,
Here's my take on roles
1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us 3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/1 Chaos Cultist(s) ?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s)
9/9 Imperial Forces Remain ?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen ?/1?Imperial Priest(s) ?/1? Imperial Psyker(s) ?/1?Imperial Stormtrooper(s) ?/1? Imperial Commissar(s) ?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos
DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE.
Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them
Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1
Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us,
On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote: A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb,
##Vote: Sinensis
No one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote.
Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again"
VOTING
How many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay)
not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits
+ Show Spoiler + 12-3 -> 10-3 10-3 -> 8-3 8-3 -> 6-3 6-3 -> 4-3 4-3(LYLO)
Voting Strat:
~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<)
~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it.
~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker
Lurkers:
Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT.
I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad.
Lurkers, hurt town how?
~Less Information
~Less possibilities for lynching
~Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep.
Closing words:
I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post.
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On February 02 2012 18:09 Bluelightz wrote:Sup guys got my role PM anyway, Here's my take on roles 1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us 3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/1 Chaos Cultist(s) ?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s) 9/9 Imperial Forces Remain ?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen ?/1?Imperial Priest(s) ?/1? Imperial Psyker(s) ?/1?Imperial Stormtrooper(s) ?/1? Imperial Commissar(s) ?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE. Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them
Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1 Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us, Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote: A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb, ##Vote: SinensisNo one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote. Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again" VOTINGHow many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay) not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits+ Show Spoiler + 12-3 -> 10-3 10-3 -> 8-3 8-3 -> 6-3 6-3 -> 4-3 4-3(LYLO)
Voting Strat: ~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<) ~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it. ~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker
Lurkers: Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT. I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad. Lurkers, hurt town how? ~Less Information ~Less possibilities for lynching ~ Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep.
Closing words: I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post.
How is someone going to get lynched D1 if no one decides who gets lynched? You need half or more votes to lynch. If you have an idea about how to decide who to kill I want to hear it.
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Well, I'm finally done reading.
As for D1 lynch, sometimes we get lucky and someone paints themselves red, then lynch lynch to victory
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Hmm, I meant that we should never be like
__ Votes him! lets vote him too!
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On February 02 2012 19:14 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm, I meant that we should never be like
__ Votes him! lets vote him too!
So voting before every person in the game posts once poses what benefit to your agenda? I'm just trying to understand.
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Here let me just rephrase What I said
I don't mind people suggesting who to lynch just, I'm scared of the fact that people might be sheep and after recent developments I'm unvoting Sinensis, though im still gonna watch him though.
##Unvote: Sinensis
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As of prplhz's post there are 4 out of 12 crew members explicitly in favor of lynching on day 1, three more and we have an official majority and will have made small progress toward a group decision toward something.
Myself Timeaisis Bluelightz prplhz
Currently in favor of lynching day 1.
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[/b]##Unvote: sinani206[/b] ##Vote: Sinensis
He's talking about no-lynching and he's making stupid lists. Rest is fluff. I think we found ourselves a scum here and I guess sinani206 will have to wait.
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God dammit.
##Unvote: sinani206 ##Vote: Sinensis
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We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
I'm sold.
##Vote: Sinensis
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Nevermind with more latest post's
Who the FUCK thinks that no-lynching day one is good
##Vote: Sinensis
Sup scum
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There are two things about Sinensis,
First is his fast switch about random lynchings:
On February 02 2012 13:33 Sinensis wrote:. As of right now we outnumber the scum, killing randomly seems like it will statistically cripple our chances.
to
I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
Second, what bluelightz pointed out, does seem odd he wants to take control. If we did go RNG lynch, how can we be sure he didn't tamper with it somehow?
Seems odd how he changes his mind and now seems super eager to get a kill.
##Vote: Sinensis for now
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We still have over 24 hours until the end of day one, this is a bit early to start bandwagoning on a lynch vote. Sinensis has literally made 6 posts since the start of the game. I'll admit his statements are a bit odd, but it's a bit too early IMO to tell if he's scum or just bad at this game. Def keep both eyes on him though.
Here are the things that have my attention:
-sinani206: has been very quiet so far, even after getting early voted. This is unlike him, though usually he's one of the loudest people.
-Bluelightz: Voted Sinensis, then unvoted Sinensis, then voted Sinensis again after he saw [UoN]Sentinel and prplhz also vote Sinesis; both without any significant analysis. To me, this sure seems like an attempt by scum to manipulate town...
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@TheToast Sinani might be sleeping
Okay, Unvoting Sinensis will wait for his response to the bandwagon on him and also, Lurkers:
Mderg: No posts *yawn*
Nisani: Might wait till he comes awake
Sinani:Same as Nisani
Baronfel:Sheep yo! one post only
Possib scum:
Sinensis - See my previous post on him, waiting for a response from him till I can draw a conclusion.
Lastly, i'm gonna sleep now.
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Me, y u so phail with voting
##Unvote: Sinensis
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The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking sinani206 is town. My guess is that since he is just about the most veteran scum hunter in this game, he's thinking he is going to get taken out first by mafia and is therefore lurking.
Which makes me suspicious of prplhz's absurdly early vote against him.
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On February 03 2012 00:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Lurkers:
Mderg: No posts *yawn*
Really... I just got home and already accused of lurking. There are different timezones, you know.
On February 02 2012 13:33 Sinensis wrote: I want to hear everyone say at least one thing before we decide who to kill first... that doesn't change the fact that there are people on this ship who must be killed in the name of the emperor. As of right now we outnumber the scum, killing randomly seems like it will statistically cripple our chances.
On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote: We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
This seems very odd. First you say we shouldn´t kill randomly and only a short time after that you already change your mind drastically. I won´t vote for you now but you should explain yourself.
Also:
On February 02 2012 13:33 Sinensis wrote: I have the same position as Timeaisis.
On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed.
On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree.
This is a bit strange, Sinensis and Timeaisis seem to have the same opinion on everything until now. We can´t really make a conclusion solely based on this but a connection is certainly possible. So I´ll keep my eyes on you. (but that counts for everyone)
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You guys make this too easy.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Care to explain your reason for voting him?
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Sinensis is not scum. prplhz started the bandwagon but Sentinel moved it forward. If he's not scum then it's probably prplhz or someone else on the bandwagon.
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On February 03 2012 01:52 Nisani201 wrote: Sinensis is not scum. prplhz started the bandwagon but Sentinel moved it forward. If he's not scum then it's probably prplhz or someone else on the bandwagon.
Actually Bluelightz called out Sinensis first, then went back on it, then voted him again when Sentinel hopped on the wagon. prplhz actually voted sinani206 first.
Why are you so convinced Sinesis is not scum?
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Scum, especially newb scum, wouldn't say something like "let me decide who to RNG list" and put themselves in the spotlight like that. Bluelightz voted Sinesis too but unvoted before there was any sort of opposition, which doesn't seem very scummy to me.
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Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though...
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Also, in regards to the fact that I agreed with Sinensis argument in the beginning of the game. He was pretty much the first person to talk strategy, and most of it I agreed with (namely D1 Lycnh), however I never agreed with RNGing. I think we have a better chance if we think it through.
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On February 03 2012 02:14 Nisani201 wrote: Scum, especially newb scum, wouldn't say something like "let me decide who to RNG list" and put themselves in the spotlight like that. Bluelightz voted Sinesis too but unvoted before there was any sort of opposition, which doesn't seem very scummy to me.
Unless he is employing "counter timing" whereby as scum he does something really stupid that makes himself overtly look like scum thereby averting all suspicions of him being scum. O-o
Though I agree that at the moment there isn't enough evidence against Sinesis to make any definitive scum call, I can't say for certain he is not.
For reference, Bluelightz actually voted Sinesis, unvoted Sinesis, then voted Sinesis when Sentinel hopped on board, then unvoted Sinesis again when I called him out.
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I expected people to get emotional about my plan and throw votes around because of it, oh well I guess that's what I get for being new and posting idea's.
All I really wanted to say was:
1. We shouldn't vote no matter what until every person has at least 1 vote in the thread 2. Odds of randomly lynching on the first night are 25% 3. Since no one knows who anyone is, any's random pick is as good as random for the first night 4. Even though to my noob brain killing the first night seems like it would be in favor of the Chaos stowaways, I don't see what choice we have honestly and think we should do it anyone
All I've tried to do is rally people around the idea that someone needs to be lynched and in order to make it happen, half or more votes needs to be for the same person. The only way I can think to get all our votes to match is if we had a "vote leader" who decided who we all vote for. If you don't like that idea, and I'm not sold on it because it does present a chance for sabotage, don't just vote for me to get lynched and say "your dead scum." This is constructive how? How about talk about a better idea for a plan or options at least?
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I meant to say post and not vote in 1
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Well, vote leader screams scum sabotage to me. That sounds like if there's a scum "vote leader" then we are completly screwed. So I'm still for individual votes.
By the way, has anyone not posted yet? Because I'm leaning voting for them if only to get some sort of response.
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OK, well I checked and it looks like everyone has posted something, however Vilonis had one introductory post and hasn't said anything since. So...
##Vote: Vilonis
No offense man, I just want a response.
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Sinensis you are ever increasing the evidence against you.
Why you keep advocating dumb vote systems, over just figuring out who is scum and killing them, is beyond me. Why are you so against the idea of analysis?
Scum have 1 kp per night in this game. Meaning if we accidentally lynch a town member Mafia will then kill another town member. So no, we cannot risk just randomly killing someone. We need to figure out who is scum and lynch them today or go no lynch. (I prefer the d1 lynch, but if we can't agree better to lose only 1 townie instead of 2).
Also, we've been talking about options for the last few pages. You are so far one of the few who have not put forward some ideas about who should go down for the D1 lynch. You keep trying to railroad the thread towards your ideas but you have provided almost no analysis about who you think is scum.
I would call you out for being scum, but I can't help but think that if you were the other two mafia members would be trying to get you to stop posting stuff.
On February 03 2012 02:54 Timeaisis wrote: Well, vote leader screams scum sabotage to me. That sounds like if there's a scum "vote leader" then we are completly screwed. So I'm still for individual votes.
By the way, has anyone not posted yet? Because I'm leaning voting for them if only to get some sort of response.
See that may have been a good idea if you hadn't announced it to the whole thread.
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I don´t think we´d be completely screwed, if there was a scum vote leader because there wouldn´t be a vote leader on day 2 anymore. But I´m still against deciding on a vote leader as this hinders the thoughts put into lynching with reasons and can give scum basically a safe day for free.
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I haven't decided who I think is scum yet. I keep advocating dumb voting systems because I don't see any other ideas and I am trying to do what I can.
The people throwing around "vote" "unvote" like this is facebook would be my first guess. prplhz and Bluelightz at the moment I'm suspicious of.
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Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying.
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...seriously? advocating a single person to lead the votes? who comes up with this crap lol. that's a terrible idea even when there are strong scumhunters in a game. of which this game is lacking in.
mobile phone postinggg
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btw, if you're suspicious of someone you could easily FoS them.
FoS: Timeaisis
see? like that!
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FoS: Sentinel FoS: prplhz FoS: Bluelightz
For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.
I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis.
Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me.
TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor.
That is all for now.
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I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this.
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[UoN]Sentinel:
Who is looking scummy to you right now?
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I am thinking FoS on Sinensis for reasons stated previously.
And Nisani... well, I see where he's coming from, but I find it a little bit odd that he found blue 100% green while finding me 100% because of the bandwagon. My vote was on Sinensis because of what we have to work with.
Day 1, all we have to work with is how people post their opinions, and how direct they are. Obviously fluff is a major issue here because posting something in 3 paragraphs that can be explained in 2 sentences. Combine that with a horrible idea (RNG for voting) and you got yourself a suspicious case.
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EBWOP: Obviously fluff is a major issue here because posting something in 3 paragraphs that can be explained in 2 sentences inflates the thread, and makes skimming (which sometimes you have to do) less reliable and more confusing.
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On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this.
Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want.
Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that.
These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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I'm just going to point this out from prplhz's only big post:
like he did in III (that I was scum in, we lynched the two veterans for a flawless victory ezpz).
and then later on down the post votes sinani206, the other veteran.
Are you using the same strategy as last game prplhz? You scum this game too?
Also I noticed you changed your vote to me as soon as I was the first one to even attempt to talk organization/strategy.
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Then Sentinel bandwagon voted me too. Look at mderg's post about Sentinel.
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Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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Sorry, Edit:
##Unvote: Visoni ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Alright, I'll explain the Hedonist bit. My train of thought revolved around using detectives to check suspicious players, which goes to nil if the Hedonist can just target the same player, so either he's scum and gets saved or he's not scum but is under suspicion.
For blue roles, I'm just assuming that. There's 9 citizens, I'm betting 3 of those are out there, maybe 4 if we're lucky. If you go check bluelights, he actually went as far as to say "1 of each role, 1 of each scum but the hedonist, and 5 townies." I'm wondering why you didn't say anything about that. Assuming there's 1 of each except for the hedonist (a 25% chance, there are 4 possible permutations if no scumrole is doubled) is a bit more scummy than assuming scum has a hedonist (75% chance by same prediction).
And what I'm saying is that Day 1 mislynch (after confirmation) is worse than Day 1 no lynch. At least in no lynch we spare a potential townie.
Given that you're following the vote on me from Nisani's same train of thought (and completely ignoring Messrs. Bluelightz and prplhz), I could use the same argument on you.
And time, I just saw you declare bandwagoning. You're next on my suspicion list after Sinensis.
Time to nap.
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Yeah, I mentioned bandwagoning because prphlz did it without any logic to back it up. I at least gave a reason and I think both mderg and Sinensis are on to something here. So, yeah bandwagoning is bad when its mindless. But when there's good reasoning behind it I call it "agreement". And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum.
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On February 03 2012 06:19 Sinensis wrote:I'm just going to point this out from prplhz's only big post: Show nested quote +like he did in III (that I was scum in, we lynched the two veterans for a flawless victory ezpz). and then later on down the post votes sinani206, the other veteran. Are you using the same strategy as last game prplhz? You scum this game too? Also I noticed you changed your vote to me as soon as I was the first one to even attempt to talk organization/strategy.
I noticed that too.
I'm curious, who do you think should get taken down first?
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So far Sentinal, prplhz, and Bluelightz. I haven't narrowed it down to one yet but as of this moment it's them, in that order. Bluelightz could easily be innocent...Sentinal and prplhz I'm not so sure about.
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On February 03 2012 07:19 Sinensis wrote: So far Sentinal, prplhz, and Bluelightz. I haven't narrowed it down to one yet but as of this moment it's them, in that order. Bluelightz could easily be innocent...Sentinal and prplhz I'm not so sure about.
If it's not Bluelightz, who do you think the third person could be?
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Sup guys awake. I'm on an iPad right now. Later when I get access to a computer back I'll make a list of reads
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On February 03 2012 02:58 Timeaisis wrote: OK, well I checked and it looks like everyone has posted something, however Vilonis had one introductory post and hasn't said anything since. So...
##Vote: Vilonis
No offense man, I just want a response.
None taken, I suppose. I attend school and live on the west coast. I made a post as late as I could last night, and only now have time to make another.
Day1 Lynching?
You should lynch D1, it should not be random...
Not lynching D1 is like starting a new game where chaos either has an extra vote or there is one less townie. Any reasoning that could be done in D2 after not lynching could equally be done in D1, so lets lynch.
That being said, don't random lynch. People are already saying dumb/incriminating things. Let it play out. If I were chaos, a random lynch would not scare me. But as an imperial, random lynching scares the hell out of me. I don't want to die D1 for no reason. So I'm going to fight random lynching.
Advocating random lynching will put you first on my suspicion list, and will, most likely, earn you a vote
A vote leader is dumb... Why would any townie trust a vote leader. I am talking to you, Sinensis. Don't discourage discussion. Don't try to control votes. Don't pretend that the ONLY way to get a majority vote passed is by way of a vote leader. The town out number the mafia drastically, such that all town can vote for one player and even if the mafia vote no lynch, the vote would still go through.
Who has been the most destructive?
Possibly Sinensis. The swapping back and forth on random voting, advocating a vote leader and nominating himself to be that leader. Much discussion has arisen over this (not much of it particularly useful). Seems he has backed off of random lynching for now though...
Nisani201. Started this whole bandwagon discussion. IMO, it is too early to start claiming bandwagons. We are not close to a vote, there were not many people, and the 'bandwagon' was probably the best candidate to be lynched anyway. As far as I can see it, this is only really preventing pressure on players that deserve it, as having 3 votes on you is nowhere as demanding that you make a post as having 7+ votes on you would be.
Also, "You guys make this too easy" with an explanation-less vote, followed by claiming a few people voting on suspicions are a bandwagon. Stop make a virtue out of keeping you options open. You should vote on suspicion. It makes your opinions and intentions clear. It makes you (somewhat) committed.
Suspicious Prplhz (anyone else read this name as Purple Haze, then have the Jimmy Hendrix song stuck in their head?). Lots of votes, not many posts. Short, mostly useless posts. Probably a time zone thing, but I would like to see more discussion from him.
Who is probably scum? My vote is for Nisani201.
And as I think you should put your vote where your suspicions are... ##Vote: Nisani201
What is FoS: Player
+ Show Spoiler +In code tags so you can see the bold tags, and so it doesn't look terrible.
If [b]##Vote: Player[/b] is in a quote, it will not be counted as your vote, right?
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On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote: Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though...
So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move?
As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this.
On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote: Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying.
Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least-
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions?
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Who I think is scum:
Timeaisis: Sheeping as pointer by ET above, he wants to lynch prp but later when everybody votes Sentinel he votes Sentinel too!
Sinensis: Random Lynching, Really?.Random lynching can be easily sabotaged because mafia can "fake" their random number.
Vote Leaders, More easily sabotaged, the leader's opinion can be easily changed.
Voting early is scummy?, what is your problem with people voicing their opinions?. It opens up way for more discussion.
So,
FoS:Sinensis FoS:Timeaisis
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I agree with Vilonis, I think it's a bit early to start calling people out for "bandwagoning". It's the first turn and we're all trying to get a feel for how each other posts etc.
Suspect: Sinensis: I'll keep my vote on Sinensis, for reasons stated before. Just seems like a very black and white type of person with the "I'll be the kill leader, and we'll decide using an RNG" without really waiting for talk.
prplhz: Seems to throw votes around, I'm not sure if he's just trying to stir up stuff but I don't think it's a good mindset.
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On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote: Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote: Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions?
Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now.
So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't...
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Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote: Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote: Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now. So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't...
Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me.
Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point.
Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then,
##Vote: Timeaisis
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... I clearly addressed and refuted his every point.
Where'd you do that?
Why did you think you'd be guillotined by now?
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On February 03 2012 10:05 Sinensis wrote:Where'd you do that? Why did you think you'd be guillotined by now?
Before I left I saw a sudden surge of votes for me. I expected people to just copy and paste that voting button and lynch lynch lynch.
On February 03 2012 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Alright, I'll explain the Hedonist bit. My train of thought revolved around using detectives to check suspicious players, which goes to nil if the Hedonist can just target the same player, so either he's scum and gets saved or he's not scum but is under suspicion. For blue roles, I'm just assuming that. There's 9 citizens, I'm betting 3 of those are out there, maybe 4 if we're lucky. If you go check bluelights, he actually went as far as to say "1 of each role, 1 of each scum but the hedonist, and 5 townies." I'm wondering why you didn't say anything about that. Assuming there's 1 of each except for the hedonist (a 25% chance, there are 4 possible permutations if no scumrole is doubled) is a bit more scummy than assuming scum has a hedonist (75% chance by same prediction). And what I'm saying is that Day 1 mislynch (after confirmation) is worse than Day 1 no lynch. At least in no lynch we spare a potential townie. Given that you're following the vote on me from Nisani's same train of thought (and completely ignoring Messrs. Bluelightz and prplhz), I could use the same argument on you. And time, I just saw you declare bandwagoning. You're next on my suspicion list after Sinensis. Time to nap.
I feel like I have addressed and refuted his every point.
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EBWOP (accidentally copied over this part): I saw a sudden surge of votes before I went to sleep so I thought everyone would just lynch lynch lynch into oblivion.
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EBWODP: Oh, I just couldn't see it the first time. Looks like it was in my original reply after all.
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On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts.
prplhz hasn't posted since his attack on sinensis. how is he being hostile and or scummy?
On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't...
Wtf? I'm pointing out your flippity floppity, not defending sentinel. idgaf about sentinel; however you're sowing chaos in thread. Your tone in this sentence: you're putting on airs as if you're exposing something underhanded I am doing, when in reality, you're just trying to discredit me with nothing.
I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this:
On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good.
Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum.
##Vote Timeaisis
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OK, prpl this game is seeming really weird to me. First, he votes for me because I killed his command center. Dude, that was a while ago, and I said I was sorry. But seriously, that sounded more to me like "I AM SCUM, TIME TO KILL SINANI BECAUSE HE IS A VET." Then, he realizes his mistake and changes his vote to Sinensis, who looked/looks very much like newtown under the excuse that he "wants to no-lynch." Honestly, that is exactly what a more respected scum does Day 1. They find a townie who made a mistake and calls it a scumslip, or scummy play. Then, a bandwagon forms because everyone assumes that the scum player is right/are sheep. Since his vote, he hasn't said anything but "you're dead, scum," aka fluff. According to his post timestamps, he should be awake soon. I'm waiting.
Quick bandwagon on Sentinel is suspicious...
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On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis
I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say.
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On February 03 2012 11:55 Timeaisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say.
On February 02 2012 12:57 Timeaisis wrote: Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. . directly stating
On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. restating badness
On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge
you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts.
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I'm gonna post more tomorrow. My two first posts were primarily meant to get this game started fast so I posted semi-controversial things. I'm surprised no one went more crazy over my first post where I joke-voted, people usually go crazy about that. The second vote got people going though, keep it relevant and transparent, but most important of all, keep it coming.
I don't think that sinani206, Nisani201 and I should be treated any differently from the rest of you. We may have played a lot of games but I doubt any of us would argue that we're too awesome at this game. We don't go around ravishing scum teams on a regular basis at all. What you should expect of us is that we will act logical and coherent, but you should expect this from anybody in this game.
@sinani206 Do you truly believe any of that nonsense you just posted about me?
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Hmm,
@Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb
Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him
Timeaisis
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him.
On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess
On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________?
Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though)
I am voting him.
##Vote: mderg
Sinensis
On February 03 2012 09:48 Sinensis wrote: Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis
Nisani
On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me.
That's it
Sinani please post some more, ty!
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I explained why Sentinel was my primary suspicion in my earlier posts. I also said that you and prplhz were my other suspicions. You because you changed your vote 4 times earlier between me and someone else; prplhz and Sentinel were already going after me together at the time too. Now you are defending prplhz and Sentinel and ONLY them.
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Because those two are the prime targets of suspicion right now since your lynching train's died down.
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Okay then Sinensis. I'm leaning town on you based on your response and im gonna respond to your FoS
On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote: FoS: Sentinel FoS: prplhz FoS: Bluelightz
For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.
1). Throwing votes early ~Is voicing my opinion bad?
2). Being indesicive ~Im kinda wishy-washy with reads, look at Purgatory Mafia d1 if you want to take a look
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Alright, with just over 11 hours left to go in Day1, it's time to make my call. Up until now, I've been trying to collect as much information as possible, and I think I've got what I need.
Right now I'm convinced that Bluelightz is Scum.
But first let's start off with why Sinesis: is a townie. I was pretty worried about him a few pages back, he seemed to be advocating for a vote system that clearly was a benefit to Mafia. After I called him out about it, suddendly he started suspecting the same people that a few posts earlier I had expressed suspecion about and then said I was confirmed town. Odd. But in reviewing his posts, I found two interesting details:
Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies.
Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet.
To me these quotes suggest that Sinesis really just doesn't know how the game works. His idea about the "vote leader" also suggests townie to me, Mafia would know they could just use their KP on that person. Newer mafia player is also going to be much more reserved, rather than come out loudly suggesting terrible ideas.
I think an agent of the enemy would look fairer, and feel fowler
Bluelightz Let's start with the obvious scum.
His first post is a dead giveaway:
+ Show Spoiler [Long Ass Post] +On February 02 2012 18:09 Bluelightz wrote:Sup guys got my role PM anyway, Here's my take on roles 1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us 3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/1 Chaos Cultist(s) ?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s) 9/9 Imperial Forces Remain ?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen ?/1?Imperial Priest(s) ?/1? Imperial Psyker(s) ?/1?Imperial Stormtrooper(s) ?/1? Imperial Commissar(s) ?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE. Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them
Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1 Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us, Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote: A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb, ##Vote: SinensisNo one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote. Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again" VOTINGHow many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay) not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits+ Show Spoiler + 12-3 -> 10-3 10-3 -> 8-3 8-3 -> 6-3 6-3 -> 4-3 4-3(LYLO)
Voting Strat: ~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<) ~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it. ~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker
Lurkers: Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT. I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad. Lurkers, hurt town how? ~Less Information ~Less possibilities for lynching ~ Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep.
Closing words: I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post.
Spoilering because it is STUPID long
What is all of this? Is any of this useful information? No. This is all pointless junk that bluelightz threw in because he wanted to make it seem like he was doing some in depth analysis.
What he really did was just call out the townie who was being the loudest and avocating a dumb idea. A very clear Mafia tactic. Look back, it was actually bluelightz who started the bandwagon on Sinesis.
After Sinesis accuses him of having an agenda, Bluelightz immediately changes course and unvotes Sinesis. Then prplhz hops on the bandwagon (remember this) as does [UoN]Sentinel. Based on this development Bluelightz decides to again vote for Sinesis. (why in the world would two other people voting for the same guy make you change your vote???)
When I called out Bluelightz for this very thing, he AGAIN changed course and unvoted Sinesis. After ET calls out Timeasis, Bluelightz again hops on the bandwagon and FOS's him.
Then bluelightz changes him mind AGAIN and votes mdrg
+ Show Spoiler [Another Long Ass Post] +On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote:Hmm, @Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him Timeaisis Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) I am voting him. ##Vote: mdergSinensis Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:48 Sinensis wrote: Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis Nisani Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me. That's it
Sinani please post some more, ty!
Interesting thing here is the defense of Sentinel. "Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him". Okay.
Then proceeds to "see" why Timeasis went against Sentinel.
You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him.
Now wait, this seems more like you are telling Timeasis should not vote Sentinel. Not really a fair analysis. Then he proceeds to "analyze" Mderg.
On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________?
Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though)
Wait, so we went from seeing "why" people were bandwagoning on Sentinel (without giving ANY reason why you thought Sentinel was clean) to accusing mderg in one paragraph. Wtf? I also find it interesting that after mderg points out what may be a mafia slip up from Sentinel, you immediately start attacking him. Smooth.
What's the defense to all of this?
~Im kinda wishy-washy with reads, look at Purgatory Mafia d1 if you want to take a look KIND OF????
At this point I am 100% convinced that Bluelightz is Chaos scum, and he would seem to have inadvertantly fingered Sentinel along with him. Right now I'm going Bluelightz as I am very sure he is Mafia, less so about Sentinel. I would prefer to take out the confirmed scum first, but if we get close to Night 1 and most votes are still on Sentinel, I will switch to ensure we get the 7 needed.
##Vote Bluelightz
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Oh, I forgot!
I'm not entirely sure who the third is yet. I have some ideas, but not enough evidence to make a definate claim. If we get some more responses from people I'll let you know. As I said I'm fairly confident Sentinel is the second, but not 100% sure.
Also, I'm fairly confident sinani206 is town. If he was Mafia, he would be much more active this game. He's vet enough to know that when Mafia Lurk they tend to lose.
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On February 03 2012 10:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Before I left I saw a sudden surge of votes for me. I expected people to just copy and paste that voting button and lynch lynch lynch. The sudden surge of votes was 3 votes in around 5 hours and there wasn´t anyone just deeming you scum, so you shouldn´t have worried about being lynched. There´s no way a town player would place the hammer vote on someone who´s only suspicious but not cleared as scum. At least not this early in the day.
On February 03 2012 10:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I feel like I have addressed and refuted his every point. You at least addressed all my points and gave reasons for everything you said. I wouldn´t say you refuted every point because these reasons were be pretty easy to find, even if my post would be right in every point. But there aren´t any logical flaws in your reasoning, so I can´t deem you scum.
On February 03 2012 12:43 Timeaisis wrote: Good to know. This post shows no intention of finding scum. It seems like you´re just pissed at him because he thinks of you as suspicious. It could also be that you´re scum and try to make this look like a ridiculous read by him. But at least posting something that was already called suspicious on purpose doesn´t feel right to me.
On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess
No I´m not. There could very well be a Hedonist in the setup. But IMO every speculation about the setup is stupid on day 1... we have no hints on it other than the possible roles, so we should focus on finding scum rather than thinking about how many of which roles are in the game. So I didn´t/don´t want something like this:
On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: @Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb before we can know anything about the setup.
On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________?
I never said people could vote without reason. What I meant is that scum could get away with weak reasons or just getting on bandwagons and then argue that they were just voting for weak reasons because it wasn´t that damaging to town.
On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: Also coupled with some lurking
wtf?
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On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed.
On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree.
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum.
This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but:
FoS: Timeaisis
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On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum. This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis
I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum.
First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over.
His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite.
Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about.
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EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't.
##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis
Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum.
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On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't.
##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis
Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum.
That's exactly what I was waiting for.
The level of analysis here is positively staggering. I love how effectively you responded to all of my points about Timeaisis. [/sarcasm]
This is a bandwagoning if I've ever seen one. Where's your analysis of Timeasis or Et's post? Why is lynching "someone" better than lynching no one? So many votes are already on Sentinel, why shouldn't we lynch him? Combined with your bizzare behavior early on, I'm now positive you are scum as well. Thanks for making this really obvious.
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On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote:On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed. On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree. On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum. This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. No. Do you really want me to argue against this? First, this is purely speculation since you don't know if GMarshal balanced the game or not. Second, there are tons of first gamers in this game (mderg, Vilonis, BaronFel, Sinensis, Timeasis) you don't think any of those can be scum? Third, these games tend to be town favored, if he stacked either side he would probably be stacking town but again, this is purely speculation.
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:
His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite.
First of all, this is all WIFOM and speculation, you don't know how Timeasis plays scum. Also, it is plain wrong, Timeasis didn't try to stick out at all in my opinion, he didn't push any lynches or post anyooks kinda like you're depsperately tryithing controversial. You also say that Mafia tend to lurk, while you said here that you don't think sinani206 is scum, because scum don't lurk. Seems like you're just making stuff up on the fly.
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:
Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about.
Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today.
As for the no-lynch v. lynch discussion, I will always prefer lynch over no lynch, unless we're lynching a confirmed town. This is alignment independent for me and we can discuss it post game if you want to. But I never said that, I say that we should lynch Timeasis because he is scum, not because I prefer lynching "someone" over no-one so you're kinda putting words in my mouth now aren't you?
Why does my bizarre behavior early on make me scum? Didn't you also just say in your defense of Timeasis that scum don't generally try to attract attention to themselves early on.
It seems to me like you're making stuff up on the fly to fit with whatever you've decided to believe. You should stop this.
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On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't.
##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis
Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum.
Two things:
First: Thank you TheToast. I appreciate the defense.
Second: I love how I get accused of bandwagoning and then see this.
All you're doing is making it obvious that you and sentinel are scum. I could do an analysis of reasons why, but you pretty much explained it with that post. But, since I think sentinel is still more of a threat, I'm keeping my vote on him. Obviously, that may change quickly.
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On February 04 2012 04:38 prplhz wrote:
Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today.
Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis!
On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote: FoS: Sentinel FoS: prplhz FoS: Bluelightz
For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.
I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis.
Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me.
TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor.
That is all for now.
Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first.
Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
On February 03 2012 09:28 Bluelightz wrote: Who I think is scum:
Timeaisis: Sheeping as pointer by ET above, he wants to lynch prp but later when everybody votes Sentinel he votes Sentinel too!
Sinensis: Random Lynching, Really?.Random lynching can be easily sabotaged because mafia can "fake" their random number.
FoS:Sinensis FoS:Timeaisis
Ah, why does bluelightz think I'm worth lynching? Because I want to lynch prplhz and Sentinel. Looks like he's coming to their defense. And why does he want to lynch Sinensis, he claims because of random lynching, but I think its because of Sinensis' previous FoS post.
It's obvious to me that Sentinel, bluelightz, and prplhz are all against me and Sinensis, due to the fact they both bandwagoned us at different times. So, here's the question. If you are against sentinel, you need to be against bluelightz and prplhz too.
That's all I got for now.
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OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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Hey TheToast I wanted to tell you that at the very start of the game I didn't know all the rules of mafia yet but I am comfortable with them now. This in particular I've realized I was wrong about:
Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies.
Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet.
For some reason I thought in mafia the mafia didn't know who each other were either at the beginning...
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@Timeasis You don't lynch someone just because there isn't an elaborate defense of them. I think EchelonTee pointed out a lot of good points about you and I already found you scummy for those and additional reasons which is why I am pushing you.
@sinani206 I thought you wanted to use this game to get back into mafia, then why are you clearly not putting a lot of effort into this game? First your terrible post on me and now this, one of them is scum because they are voting for each other? That's pretty stupid, townies in that situation will most likely just vote for whoever else is up for lynch to save themselves (and so would scum). You are voting for [UoN]Sentinel, because he has gone quiet in the face of votes, what about the analysis on Timeasis? Why don't you agree with it? Did you read any of their filters?
Seems like you don't care too much who gets lynched. Is this what we should expect from you all game?
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@Timeaisis, can you tell me exactly why you find Sentinel scummy? Is it just because you believe him along with prplhz and Bluelightz (BL) are bandwagoning you+sinensis, or is there something in his posts you find threatening?
@Sentinel do you have any finished games of Mafia on TL?
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What "additional reasons" are you pushing Timeaisis? He is one of the most neutral players imo and has voted logically ALL GAME.
You however have not voted logically all game. I have been pointing a finger of suspicion at you for pages and you never respond.
There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three?
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And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.
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On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Why are we focused on Sentinel? As I said before, I'm still not 100% convinced he's chaos.
Bluelightz and prplhz are the much more obvious chaos-scum. We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.
Also you forgot about our lurker-in-cheif BaronFel. Who for some reason is still got his vote on Sinesis and only 2 posts.
Idleness leads to heresy
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@EchelonTee
[UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it.
@Sinensis
Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident.
I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it.
What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand.
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town?
Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these.
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On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes.
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That's a little something called "school". I woke up and went there today.
Timeaisis:
Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis!
I'm sorry, what is this? If everyone else suspected me sans the three of us and Echelon, that would be 8 votes on me. I'd be dead. There are only 5 votes on me which means that 7 people think I'm either innocent or not important enough to be lynched.
This is why I feel like I have a more legitimate beef - when I voted, I pointed out exactly which part made me suspicious. You on the other hand went "herp derp that guy voted for Sentinel so I'm voting for Sentinel". I might have bandwagoned but at least I gave a little bit of evidence (the paragraph I quoted) while you gave absolutely zero other than some other guy voted for him. I don't even understand why I'm getting all these votes as a result of this.
Then he says:
Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first.
Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
"Sentinel, the one who was bandwagoned second.
Then soon after that FoS, a shitload of lynches, an interesting post by prplhz and EchelonTree, probably because everyone thinks we're stirring up trouble when really these votes are unjustified in such numbers."
Sinensis:
You however have not voted logically all game
And you voted me for going to school.
There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three?
Why are you only suspecting us three when at least time warrants suspicion?
And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.
Bandwagon is jumping onto a conclusion with little to no original evidence. I had little, timeaisis had no. This is the central topic of this discussion. Everyone understands the word in this game as approximately that definition, so there is no problem.
And lastly, Toast:
We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.
50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me.
If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted" and some people can't get it into their heads that I. Am. Not. A. Scum.
And before people say I'm going silent again, this is my game plan:
It is now 4:00 EST. Between 4:25 EST and 8:30 EST I will be busy due to swim practice. So if anybody's wondering why I'm lurking, here's your answer.
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On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum.
First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over.
That´s only speculation... and I don´t like speculation in mafia.
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite.
His vote against Vilonis doesn´t clear him at all. It´s typical to call out players who didn´t post any content, regardless of alignment. You are probably right about first time mafia not jumping on a bandwagon of their own, but it´s not certain that Sentinel is scum. Of course Timeaisis would be pretty much cleared as town, if Sentinel flipped town. IMO Going with the flow does indicate scummyness, if there´s a bandwagon on a townie, it´s pretty easy to hide in the majority.
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. This sounds strange. Mafia always involves risks. I know what you mean, though.
btw
On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: ##Vote: Timeasis
Just want you to know that you misspelled his name... you should change that, if you want him lynched.
some more coming later today
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On February 04 2012 05:28 Sinensis wrote: And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.
...you've used the word bandwagon too, have other people been misusing it unlike you? doesn't take a dictionary definition to see bandwagon. it's obvious. bandwagon analysis, as a subset of vote analysis, is a useful tool in mafia; don't discredit its use.
On February 04 2012 05:34 TheToast wrote: Why are we focused on Sentinel? As I said before, I'm still not 100% convinced he's chaos.
Bluelightz and prplhz are the much more obvious chaos-scum. We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.
Where did you say that you're not 100% convinced he's chaos? What I saw in your filter is that you believe that only Sentinel and Bluelightz have good analysis on them. The former, you now want to leave for later (hint: if you think someone is scummy why leave them for later), and the latter, you are the only one who analyzed him. What, so is my analysis on Timeaisis shit? Why does no one seem to want to address Timeaisis, or my points on him?
That said, your points on Bluelightz here are pretty good, but how is prplhz bad? no one's posted anything of substance on him. Just saying "I think X is scummy" won't convince me.
A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points.
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On February 04 2012 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted". .
I know its probably not an actual bet, but as a reminder, rule #9 reads
Cheating is considered: 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
So please ^_^
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On February 04 2012 04:54 Timeaisis wrote: Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago
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On February 04 2012 06:04 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted". . I know its probably not an actual bet, but as a reminder, rule #9 reads
Cheating is considered: 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.
So please ^_^
Yeah, it was a joke, I was trying to drive the point home (and I don't see any in-game benefits from the money itself). But thanks for that.
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err I bolded the wrong part in the quote, but you get the idea.
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On February 04 2012 06:03 EchelonTee wrote:
A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points.
Just to clear this up real quick: EchelonTee, I don't think you're scum, I just don't like you. So I'm in now way advocating your lynch. Don't group me with people who are voting based on emotion. I'm being practical here. It's me or Sentinel, and obviously, I'm not voting for myself, so I'm voting for sentinel. Couple that with the fact I think sentinel is scum, and that's a very logical vote coming from me. You can analyze it all you want, but it makes pretty good sense.
Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him.
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6 hours left, keep it rolling; thread atmosphere is slowing down. If I've asked you a question or said something to you, please respond.
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On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town?
Nope. I've made my points clear and I think some of your posts speak for themselves. No point in responding to you further, you are just going to turn them back on me with absurd arguments to further muddy the waters.
Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight
I'm unsure where you have gotten this assumption that one of the two is getting lynched. This smells like scummy railroading.
If you want to lynch Timeasis, you are going to need my vote, which you are not going to get.
Bluelightz earlier defense of Sentinel made it pretty clear he wouldn't be voting for him. So if you want to lynch Sentinel, you are going to need both Vilonis and BaronFel to switch over. It seems unlikely to me that you are going to get BaronFel given how much of a lurker he's been. In that likely situation, you are again going to need my vote.
Unless someone can come up with some really convincing arguments or analysis against Sentinel in the next few hours I'm not sure you will be voting for him either. I'd prefer to lynch day 1, but I would rather see a no lynch instead of a townie lynched.
The fact that we are being forced into picking from Sentinel or Timeasis when prplhz and bluelightz are oozing scummy-ness (something to which several people in this thread have agreed to) has me pretty worried.
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On February 04 2012 06:19 Timeaisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:03 EchelonTee wrote:
A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points. Just to clear this up real quick: EchelonTee, I don't think you're scum, I just don't like you. So I'm in now way advocating your lynch. Don't group me with people who are voting based on emotion.
I didn't say that you're voting based off of emotion or that you're advocating my lynch. I'm noting that now you don't like me just because I'm against you. It's a natural reaction, but just remember in Mafia if people suspect you, you should defend yourself and not take it personally. I don't dislike you. Just think you're chaos.
On February 04 2012 06:19 Timeaisis wrote: Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him.
Interesting.
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prp answered your question to me, I've played and am still alive in Hammer which is soon to finish, and this, and that's my whole record
Anyways, I'd like to make a personal request. I'm at 5 votes, if I get 6 and you want to be the seventh, please extend it for another 4 hours or so, so I can make one last defense when I get back. In other words don't kill me just yet, just post a reason why and put FoS on me or something, and I'll address as much as I can when I get back.
And for once, I agree with Timeaisis:
Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him.
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@EchelonTee sorry I was writing that post for a while and didn't see your question for me. (thread moving too fast grr!)
In the same post where I put up the analysis for Bluelights I said that I wasn't 100% sure about Sentinel and that's why I was preferring to lynch bluelightz day 1. I did say that I would be willing to switch to Sentinel, but now I'm not so sure about that. I want to wait and see what else comes up in the next few hours.
You're right, maybe my analysis of prplhz wasn't rock solid, I'm still convinced he's scum but maybe I need to do a bit more in depth analysis to make that point. But I'm thinking we at least agree on Bluelightz, as does Timeaisis. So why aren't we looking at this guy for a D1 lynch??
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On February 04 2012 06:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prp answered your question to me, I've played and am still alive in Hammer which is soon to finish, and this, and that's my whole record
Anyways, I'd like to make a personal request. I'm at 5 votes, if I get 6 and you want to be the seventh, please extend it for another 4 hours or so, so I can make one last defense when I get back. In other words don't kill me just yet, just post a reason why and put FoS on me or something, and I'll address as much as I can when I get back. And for once, I agree with Timeaisis: Show nested quote +Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him.
guys I can't defend myself right now as I type this post will you please give me several hours to think of a way out of this or for my Chaos buddies to bail me out
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On February 04 2012 06:34 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prp answered your question to me, I've played and am still alive in Hammer which is soon to finish, and this, and that's my whole record
Anyways, I'd like to make a personal request. I'm at 5 votes, if I get 6 and you want to be the seventh, please extend it for another 4 hours or so, so I can make one last defense when I get back. In other words don't kill me just yet, just post a reason why and put FoS on me or something, and I'll address as much as I can when I get back. And for once, I agree with Timeaisis: Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him.
guys I can't defend myself right now as I type this post will you please give me several hours to think of a way out of this or for my Chaos buddies to bail me out I think waiting for the lynch as long as possible is the right decision. What do we gain from lynching someone some hours earlier than possible? Nothing. We just lose time to discuss everything.
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What's he going to say that's going make 6 of us change our votes? I can't think of anything. In my mind he already slipped up and is the most obvious choice for scum.
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Uh, I just want to clear up that this isn't an instant majority lynch, this is just a majority lynch. Just because we reach 7 votes on some guy doesn't mean that the day ends, the day ends at deadline and then we'll see if we have a majority.
... right GMarshal/redFF?
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On February 04 2012 06:59 prplhz wrote: Uh, I just want to clear up that this isn't an instant majority lynch, this is just a majority lynch. Just because we reach 7 votes on some guy doesn't mean that the day ends, the day ends at deadline and then we'll see if we have a majority.
... right GMarshal/redFF? Correct, as detailed in the OP, this is Extended Majority Lynch
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On February 04 2012 06:20 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town?
Nope. I've made my points clear and I think some of your posts speak for themselves. No point in responding to you further, you are just going to turn them back on me with absurd arguments to further muddy the waters. I'm unsure where you have gotten this assumption that one of the two is getting lynched. This smells like scummy railroading. If you want to lynch Timeasis, you are going to need my vote, which you are not going to get. Bluelightz earlier defense of Sentinel made it pretty clear he wouldn't be voting for him. So if you want to lynch Sentinel, you are going to need both Vilonis and BaronFel to switch over. It seems unlikely to me that you are going to get BaronFel given how much of a lurker he's been. In that likely situation, you are again going to need my vote. Unless someone can come up with some really convincing arguments or analysis against Sentinel in the next few hours I'm not sure you will be voting for him either. I'd prefer to lynch day 1, but I would rather see a no lynch instead of a townie lynched. The fact that we are being forced into picking from Sentinel or Timeasis when prplhz and bluelightz are oozing scummy-ness (something to which several people in this thread have agreed to) has me pretty worried.
Why don't you want to point out the logical fallacies I am making that makes me scum? Why is "you are using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeaisis being town" an "absurd argument"? I think it that logic is so sound that you can't in any way refute it and that's why you don't want to address it.
Do you really suspect that there can be a third candidate today? Then why aren't you pushing Bluelightz any harder? I'm wanting people to consolidate because it's friday and it's a game where people haven't been extremely active which makes me think that it's hard to get people to actually switch to a third candidate which makes me think that trying to switch to a third candidate will just lead to a no-lynch which I don't really want.
Guys, up until now EchelonTee and I have pointed out several flaws in Timeaisis' play, which makes him scummy, and in TheToast's defense of him, which makes it invalid.
Okay my take on the [UoN]Sentinel lynch.
First Nisani201 voted him off the shabbiest analysis ever, "He was the second person voting for somebody else, thus he is scum.". I mean seriously what the fuck? Guy didn't post ever since.
Next time something happens is this post:
On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
This vote is based on [UoN]Sentinel thinking that there might be a vigilante and a hedonist in this game. Scum don't know blues and do you really think that [UoN]Sentinel would make a scum slip like that? I have never ever seen a scum slip like that, like anything, scum slips are pretty much a myth perpetuated by scum because they give scum an allegedly semi-legitimate reason to vote for somebody. They don't exist and I have in 20 games never seen anybody do a real scum slip. This is not saying that mzerg is chaos by the way, he might just have been sucked in by the myth. Additionally he says that he actually doesn't think that [UoN]Sentinel is scum, he's just his biggest suspicion.
Now give me the case on [UoN]Sentinel because this "scumslip" into bandwagon is plain stupid. Tons of people voting because of emotions like EchelonTee correctly pointed out (I like that guy), you vote on arguments not because I voted you and now I'm not voting [UoN]Sentinel. You guys need to read the thread and vote with your brain and not with your guts. EchelonTee made an excellent case, read it and tell me why it's worse than that case mzerg just made. You can't because it isn't.
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Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?
I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz.
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@Sinensis
Screw what you think about me or [UoN]Sentinel voting for you, read mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel and then read EchelonTee's case on Timeaisis. Can you tell me with a straight face that you truly believe that mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel is better than EchenlonTee's case on Timeaisis? Then why are you still voting for [UoN]Sentinel?
That goes for everybody by the way
You can never say anything about somebody's alignment based on what somebody else is doing. Just because TheToast has posted a terrible defense of Timeaisis doesn't mean that Timeaisis is chaos. Might mean that TheToast is chaos but it doesn't tell me anything about Timeaisis.
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Shit.
The more posts I read of Sentinel's the more I am convinced he is not under the control of the warp-spawn.
This all started on Page 6 where he posted the following:
On February 02 2012 20:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote + We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
I'm sold. ##Vote: Sinensis
and to whic Nisani responded with the following:
On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
When questioned by mdreg as to why he just voted Sentinel Nisani had the following reason:
On February 03 2012 01:52 Nisani201 wrote: Sinensis is not scum. prplhz started the bandwagon but Sentinel moved it forward. If he's not scum then it's probably prplhz or someone else on the bandwagon.
First of all, Bluelightz was the first to call out Sinesis, then prplhz jumped on him, then followed by Sentinels vote and post of "I'm sold".
At this point, to me he's looking likely a bad town player and there is no reason to suspect he is chaos-y scum. Even Nisani admitted here it could just as easily have been prplhz.
The next mention of Sentinel as scum came from Sinesis, when I prompted him to list his thoughts:
On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote: FoS: Sentinel FoS: prplhz FoS: Bluelightz
For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.
I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis.
Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me.
TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor.
That is all for now.
Basically his was the same reasoning as Nisani, Sentinel because he jumped on the anti-Sinesis bandwagon. Again this proves nothing in terms of him being chaos.
Next evidence came from mdreg's analysis of Sentinel, which was in response to Sentinel's defense of himself:
On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that.These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
The point about Day 1 is null, many people comonly believe that Day 1 isn't very useful as blue's haven't had the chance to use their abilities. In itself this means nothing.
Important item here is mdreg's point about how Sentinel assumes there is a Vigilante and a Hedonist in the game. Is that really so suspicious? Is someone really scum because they assume there is a Vigilante and a framer in the game? His post was certainly strange, and didn't make a whole lot of sense. But again, that could simply point to bad town player.
Next came Timeaisis:
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
So in other words Timeasis made his decision on Sentinel because he's posting more than prphlz and from mderg's suspicion. This is not a reasonable conclusion of scummyness. As stated, mderg's vote on Sentinel was based on the fact that he assumed there is a Vigilante and Framer in game. Neither of these things mean anything.
Sentinel responded with the following:
On February 03 2012 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: For blue roles, I'm just assuming that. There's 9 citizens, I'm betting 3 of those are out there, maybe 4 if we're lucky. If you go check bluelights, he actually went as far as to say "1 of each role, 1 of each scum but the hedonist, and 5 townies." I'm wondering why you didn't say anything about that. Assuming there's 1 of each except for the hedonist (a 25% chance, there are 4 possible permutations if no scumrole is doubled) is a bit more scummy than assuming scum has a hedonist (75% chance by same prediction).
This seems pretty reasonable to me. 3 roles out of 9 townies seems normal, and to have one of those as a Vigilante seems again completely normal. I don't see how this condems him to scumhood.
Then Sinesis chimed in with a well thought out analysis:
On February 03 2012 09:48 Sinensis wrote: Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Wait, where was the analysis again?
So at this point we have a number of votes against Sentinel with NO good evidence that he is actually scum.
There are only TWO things left for me that make me suspecios of Sentinel.
-First as I mentioned before here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=9#176
Bluelightz aimlessly going to bat for Sentinel and "analyzing" the people who voted for him is strange. He gives no reason for it, give no reason for not analyzing Sentinel and instead going after the people who voted for him. As I mentioned before, however, this is circumstantial evidence. Bluelightz could have just been screwing with us.
-Second thing is his fixation on Timeaisis.
On February 03 2012 09:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote:On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote: Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote: Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now. So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me. Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point. Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then, ##Vote: Timeaisis
Seems that this is a retribution vote. "You voted me so now I'm going to vote you". Seems strange, but again does not really prove he is scum. Circumstantial evidence again.
Given this, I really don't see myself voting Sentinel. The case against him is weak, and Bluelightz is again the most confirmed scum in my book.
I am not changing my vote.
Just f-5ed and it looks like prplhz agrees with me. Didn't expect that, but evidence is what evidence is and there is none here.
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On February 04 2012 07:26 prplhz wrote: @Sinensis
Screw what you think about me or [UoN]Sentinel voting for you, read mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel and then read EchelonTee's case on Timeaisis. Can you tell me with a straight face that you truly believe that mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel is better than EchenlonTee's case on Timeaisis? Then why are you still voting for [UoN]Sentinel?
That goes for everybody by the way
You can never say anything about somebody's alignment based on what somebody else is doing. Just because TheToast has posted a terrible defense of Timeaisis doesn't mean that Timeaisis is chaos. Might mean that TheToast is chaos but it doesn't tell me anything about Timeaisis.
I have read every post in this thread it's part of the game. So your first paragraph wouldn't mean anything regardless of who you said it to.
I am voting for Sentinel based on MY analysis of his play, not anyone else's.
I think EchelonTee is the one being emotional. He's been grilling Timeaisis and ONLY Timeaisis this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think neither are scum.
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On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote: Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?
I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz. It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia.
Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see.
Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum.
Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis.
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On February 04 2012 07:43 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote: Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?
I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz. It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia. Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see. Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum. Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis.
If I switch to anyone it'll be you or Bluelightz, and it'll be because of your posts on this page.
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And I'd only switch if we can't, for some reason, get a majority on Sentinel.
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Okay, what do you think about my refutation of your argument that Timeaisis isn't scum because GMarshal wouldn't put first gamers on the scum team?
Maybe this will work, even though I doubt it ...
Are the teams balanced or are they RNG'd?
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I´d already prepare for switching my vote, if i was you, Sinensis. There won´t be enough votes on Sentinel, if he doesn´t make some huge mistakes before the deadline
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On February 04 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote: Okay, what do you think about my refutation of your argument that Timeaisis isn't scum because GMarshal wouldn't put first gamers on the scum team?
Maybe this will work, even though I doubt it ...
Are the teams balanced or are they RNG'd?
I agree with that refutation, that game you posted wasn't even that long ago.
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Also I would really like to know the answer to that question too...
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On February 04 2012 07:43 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote: Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?
I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz. It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia. Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see. Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum. Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis.
I'm still trying to figure out why you and sentinel are fixated on me. Is it the fact that I agreed with a lot of people early game and cast a vote for sentinel (which you're calling bandwagonging) after two others had done similarly? I just don't see how that makes me scum. Did I contradict myself or lie at some point? My acting "suspicious" is taken off of my:
1) early voting 2) general neutrality early game 3) agreement with some late game sound logic (mderg's analyis of Sentinel, which I still think is the best case against him) Is that really that suspicious? I'm just trying to figure out why I have a targetpainted on my back. Yeah, my reasoning for sentinel may not be 100% steel trap, but he was my first inclination, other than you. So are you really calling me out because I'm sticking to my first instinct? I mean, sure that may be a poor strategy, but does it mean I'm scum?
In my opinion, I'm being pretty consistent. I've said in the beginning that I suspect Sentinel, bluelightz, and you. I have not changed my stance on that for since I first said it. So, from here, it seems like I'm getting votes because of my opinion on you and those other two.
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On February 04 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote:
Are the teams balanced or are they RNG'd? As with all my mini setups, roles assignments are determined by using random.org.
Also, 3 hours and 50 minutes to the lynch. Remember that zbot requires you to format your vote correctly or else it won't take it. Also remember that you MUST vote or be modkilled.
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I don´t see enough evidence to keep my vote on Sentinel right now. There isn´t anything about him that makes him suspicious enough to justify a lynch.
##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel
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Sup guys I'm back gonna look over the thread, I also can stay here for the deadline if needed
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On the voting situation:
Get a derpin Majority our vote count doesnt look good.(4-3-1-1-1-1 split, not including mderg)
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Hey. I'm going to do one last attempt with you Sinensis
You are voting [UoN]Sentinel not because of anybody else's analysis but because of your own. Your own analysis consists of pointing out that he bandwagon'd you, a reference to mderg's analysis (which he himself doesn't even think is sufficient), and him having to go to swimming practice but promising to be back later. This is in no way convincing.
Don't you think that town has ever been second on a vote train? mderg wrote in his original analysis that he didn't think [UoN]Sentinel was worth a lynch, only that he was top suspect, and he's just now retracted his vote. [UoN]Sentinel has been open and active in this thread, he's responded to criticism already and doesn't seem like he's hiding anything, everything points at him actually just having swimming practice and he'll actually be back later to answer more questions. Timaisis on the other hand at first reacted to an accusation with posts like this. Not very open. Do you think that Timaisis reacted in a more townie way to pressure than [UoN]Sentinel?
I don't think you're scum by the way, I never really did. I'm arguing with you because you're here and because your vote is in the wrong place.
@Timeaisis mderg has the best case on [UoN]Sentinel in the whole thread? What other cases are there? And funny how the author of the best case in the thread on somebody isn't even convinced himself, huh? Doesn't matter really, any person in your situation would push for the other guy's lynch.
@mderg Do you want a no-lynch? Do you think that Timeaisis is town?
@Bluelightz Timeaisis or [UoN]Sentinel?
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OK, I don't think you people understand. Get your fucking votes on Sentinel or Timeasis. We can't risk a NL on Day 1. In case you don't understand,
This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place.
THIS MEANS YOU: Bluelightz Vilonis TheToast BaronFel mderg
Also @prplhz: lol
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After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
##Unvote: Sinensis
I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous).
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@sinani206
Switch to Timeaisis. [UoN]Sentinel is a fucking horrible lynch and if you gathered any skill at all over your SEVEN FUCKING TEEN games then you should know this.
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Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to.
Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him.
##Unvote
However, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch.
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead.
##Vote: Timeaisis
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Damnit I started writing that post ~8 minutes ago and since then everyone has already unvoted Sentinel. D:
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I'd also like to call out the lurkers http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=49531 and Villonis. I'd like to hear more from them.
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@prp I'm kinda thinking that both are town somehow...
For Sentinel What you explained is preety good
For Timeaisis,
On February 04 2012 08:04 Timeaisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:43 prplhz wrote:On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote: Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?
I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz. It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia. Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see. Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum. Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis. I'm still trying to figure out why you and sentinel are fixated on me. Is it the fact that I agreed with a lot of people early game and cast a vote for sentinel (which you're calling bandwagonging) after two others had done similarly? I just don't see how that makes me scum. Did I contradict myself or lie at some point? My acting "suspicious" is taken off of my: 1) early voting 2) general neutrality early game 3) agreement with some late game sound logic (mderg's analyis of Sentinel, which I still think is the best case against him) Is that really that suspicious? I'm just trying to figure out why I have a targetpainted on my back. Yeah, my reasoning for sentinel may not be 100% steel trap, but he was my first inclination, other than you. So are you really calling me out because I'm sticking to my first instinct? I mean, sure that may be a poor strategy, but does it mean I'm scum? In my opinion, I'm being pretty consistent. I've said in the beginning that I suspect Sentinel, bluelightz, and you. I have not changed my stance on that for since I first said it. So, from here, it seems like I'm getting votes because of my opinion on you and those other two.
the part that i italiced is what makes me think he's town now.
@mderg I'm sorry for accusing you for lurking, lets be friends <3?Anyway I'm unvoting him and we need to hurry up and find a lynch candidate x_x
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On February 04 2012 07:30 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:26 prplhz wrote: @Sinensis
Screw what you think about me or [UoN]Sentinel voting for you, read mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel and then read EchelonTee's case on Timeaisis. Can you tell me with a straight face that you truly believe that mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel is better than EchenlonTee's case on Timeaisis? Then why are you still voting for [UoN]Sentinel?
That goes for everybody by the way
You can never say anything about somebody's alignment based on what somebody else is doing. Just because TheToast has posted a terrible defense of Timeaisis doesn't mean that Timeaisis is chaos. Might mean that TheToast is chaos but it doesn't tell me anything about Timeaisis. I think EchelonTee is the one being emotional. He's been grilling Timeaisis and ONLY Timeaisis this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think neither are scum.
Generally, or at least in my opinion, it's better to be focused on who you think is most scum. It doesn't mean that I suspect no one else, or that I have some vendetta against my target; there's no point in me posting on cases I am less sure of.
I will stop by before the deadline to ensure that a lynch happens, but will not be on thread until then.
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Real quick post before I leave for dinner. I should be back before the mafia day is over, but just in case.
I believe that there has been a good case against Timeaisis, and we have a chance to lynch him, so I will vote him.
I like what Nisani206 said here, about Timeasisis's general aggression, and pointed out the post of Timeasis's herein which he put the burden of proof on proving why Bluelightz and UoNSentinel are NOT mafia. On D1, where we have no real concrete evidence, this seems like pretty chaosy behavior.
##Unvote: Nisani201 ##Vote: Timeaisis
Sorry if I spelt your name wrong in my post, I am kinda in a rush.
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On February 04 2012 09:09 prplhz wrote: @mderg Do you want a no-lynch? Do you think that Timeaisis is town?
I want a lynch. But I´m not totally convinced of Timeaisis being scum (more than Sentinel, though,), so I didn´t vote him for now. Since there´s no other option right now I´ll pace my vote on Timeaisis.
Vote: Timeaisis
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@mderg
You need to format your vote right
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@prplhz Timeaisis responded to his accusations. They make sense.
Also, Sentinel is going down in threat level to me as time passes, still suspicious though.
##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel
Onto my next most suspected who is
##Vote: prplhz
Being right about Sentinel definitely doesn't make you innocent.
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@BaronFel
I already explained my "turn around of character", you can read my filter from Reponsibility Mafia! where I act weird in the beginning of the game too. There's nothing wrong with changing your character as long as you have a reason for the things you do, which I have had in this game, and explained. It's perfectly normal of you to be uneasy with me because I derped around in the beginning though, which was the biggest backside of my attempt to kickstart discussion. Look at Palmar in XLVIII where he fake claims dayvig on day1 and loses all town credit for the rest of the game even though he's not only right but he's also known as being very persuasive.
Also, as long as I'm making sense you should really think I'm town, which means do not push for my lynch. But as for all people you think are town (and all other people too), you should keep an eye (or both) on them. No one is confirmed until they flip.
@Bluelightz I'm not saying he's 100%, I'm saying he's our best bid and I want a lynch today. I'm not really impressed by those 5 words. Look at how he reacted to the initial accusations in an offended resigning way like he knew he was already dead. It was only after TheToast started defending him that he actually started trusting in himself which is not how I think that newbie town would react. They mostly just play their newbie card even more in my experience. All game long he's been trying not to step on anybodies' toes while still keeping as many options open as possible and he's still managed to contradict himself as shown in EchelonTee's analysis.
A last minute vote switch is always a bit creepy but whatever.
@Sinensis Good luck rofl.
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@Sinensis I understand that you are pretty frustrated right now and that's perfectly alright. I hope we can still be pals after the game <3
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Yeah, I'm keeping my eye on everyone. I'm just not a fan of first rounds where everyone has to go by gut feelings or super small signs that may just be nothing, unless someone acts really off when suspicion is on them.
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On February 04 2012 09:15 sinani206 wrote:OK, I don't think you people understand. Get your fucking votes on Sentinel or Timeasis. We can't risk a NL on Day 1. In case you don't understand, Show nested quote +This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. THIS MEANS YOU: Bluelightz Vilonis TheToast BaronFel mdergAlso @prplhz: lol
Nope, I'm good right where I am. Timeaisis or Sentinel may be scum, but I don't think there is enough evidence against either one.
Since you all seem to have rejected the logic of my plan, I hope you all get really lucky.
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On February 04 2012 09:44 BaronFel wrote: Yeah, I'm keeping my eye on everyone. I'm just not a fan of first rounds where everyone has to go by gut feelings or super small signs that may just be nothing, unless someone acts really off when suspicion is on them. Yea it sucks but if you think about it, nothing really changes in the following days. Imagine day2 where one of us has flipped town, does that make him more right? No it doesn't, being dead doesn't make you right. The only thing that changes is that you can trust the dead guys' gut reads, but how can you be sure that their guts are right? You can't.
This is why no-flip games can still work. In a no-flip game every day is essentially day1 (more or less) and they can still be won by town. Pretty sure they're generally considered more difficult to win for town than flip games though, but you get my point.
@TheToast I'm hoping we get really lucky too! Day1 is always unreliable as hell, best thing you can do is hit a guy who doesn't make sense and who looks like he's scum and ideally who's not very active.
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On February 04 2012 09:39 prplhz wrote:@BaronFel I already explained my "turn around of character", you can read my filter from Reponsibility Mafia! where I act weird in the beginning of the game too. There's nothing wrong with changing your character as long as you have a reason for the things you do, which I have had in this game, and explained. It's perfectly normal of you to be uneasy with me because I derped around in the beginning though, which was the biggest backside of my attempt to kickstart discussion. Look at Palmar in XLVIII where he fake claims dayvig on day1 and loses all town credit for the rest of the game even though he's not only right but he's also known as being very persuasive. Also, as long as I'm making sense you should really think I'm town, which means do not push for my lynch. But as for all people you think are town (and all other people too), you should keep an eye (or both) on them. No one is confirmed until they flip.
@Bluelightz I'm not saying he's 100%, I'm saying he's our best bid and I want a lynch today. I'm not really impressed by those 5 words. Look at how he reacted to the initial accusations in an offended resigning way like he knew he was already dead. It was only after TheToast started defending him that he actually started trusting in himself which is not how I think that newbie town would react. They mostly just play their newbie card even more in my experience. All game long he's been trying not to step on anybodies' toes while still keeping as many options open as possible and he's still managed to contradict himself as shown in EchelonTee's analysis.
A last minute vote switch is always a bit creepy but whatever.
@Sinensis Good luck rofl.
First time I've seen prplhz go after Bluelightz. That's interesting, and he makes a really good point and I like this change of character where he's actually explaining everything. Plus TheToast makes another great case for him.
I can definitely support a lynch on Bluelightz.
##Unvote: prplhz
##Vote: Bluelightz
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As I said before, it doesn't seem to matter what I do now. And since Bluelightz has always been suspicious, I have no gripe changing my vote now. Doesn't really seem to matter, anyway.
##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: Bluelightz
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Why do people find prplhz suspicious?
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Sinensis your vote didn't get changed. I think you need to bold it.
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##Unvote: prplhz
##Vote: Bluelightz
sorry
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Well, all the arguments I've seen have been answered, and I got back at the time promised.
There was one somewhere who posted "I think GM wouldn't have set Time as mafia for balance reasons", I think now that we've gotten that out of the way I'm pretty much 100% on Time (no pun intended).
Now that the votes are off me, I need to get some sleep. Other than a 3-hour nap yesterday I haven't gotten any sleep in the last two days and I can't think anymore.
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Even though I hate last minute vote switching I guess to make sure we have a lynch d1.
##Unvote: mderg ##Vote: Timeaisis
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You guys are about to kill a townie just because prplhz said "Well it's obviously Sentinel or Timeaisis"
This is so obvious.
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On February 04 2012 10:33 Bluelightz wrote: Even though I hate last minute vote switching I guess to make sure we have a lynch d1.
##Unvote: mderg ##Vote: Timeaisis
Let's have a look at the vote tallies as of right now:
On February 02 2012 08:11 ZBot wrote: Votecount for day 1. With twelve alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Current votes:
Timeaisis (7): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg
Bluelightz (3): TheToast, Timeaisis, Sinensis
mderg (1): Bluelightz
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Nisani201, mderg, Timeaisis, Sinensis, sinani206, -mderg, -Nisani201, -Sinensis, -Timeaisis
Nisani201 (0): Vilonis, -Vilonis
sinani206 (0): prplhz, -prplhz
Vilonis (0): Timeaisis, -Timeaisis
prplhz (0): Sinensis, -Sinensis
Sinensis (0): Bluelightz, -Bluelightz, prplhz, [UoN]Sentinel, Bluelightz, BaronFel, -Bluelightz, -[UoN]Sentinel, -prplhz, -BaronFel
Not voting:
The Day deadline is at 2012-02-04 12:00:00. (That's approximately 1:28:34 from now.)
Let's assume that we are all right about Sinesis and that he is in fact not mafia. That leaves only three conclusions possible at this point:
1: I am Mafia. 2: Mafia is voting for one of their own 3: You all are wrong about Timeaisis
I suppose that #2 is possible, they have decided that by piling on top of time the remaining two can go unseen. But since at this exact moment it would only take one of them to change their votes to save Time, I find this unlikely.
However I sure hope it's #2, because #3 is looking really likely right now...
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Sorry, I suppose it would take both the remaining mafia members to change their votes to save Time, I still think they would do it though.
On February 04 2012 10:36 Sinensis wrote: You guys are about to kill a townie just because prplhz said "Well it's obviously Sentinel or Timeaisis"
This is so obvious.
I'm thinking this is very likely the case.
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On February 04 2012 10:40 Sinensis wrote: Imbeciles.
Unless we were wrong about you, in which case Mafia already has pulled one vote off Time.
Either way I guess we will find out in an hour or so as it doesn't look like anyone else is going to budge. Not sure what sinani is doing either.
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Perhaps we are in fact wrong about Timeaisis, but...
Rather mislynch a possible mafia (because let's face it, we're not all HIV-positive about Time being scum, but it's still pretty likely), even if we get into that sticky predicament that I predicted oh so long ago, than no lynch and sit on our thumbs instead.
Pulling two votes off of Time right now is risky, because it would cast suspicion on the two that do it. If the two mafias already bussed Time, then they're going to stay that way, and I think if someone just decided it wasn't worth the lynch, and then one of the mafias put in another vote, those two people would be suspected of collaborating as scum, and Time probably would be too.
Let's break down what our friend here can be. Imperial Timeaisis, or even worse, Blue Timeaisis dying today, means I'm probably fucked, and prplhz is joining me in that club since he's been backing me up. I'll repay that gratitude in the best way I can, because I don't know if you're scum or not but you let me survive the day, and I owe you that.
Hedonist Timeaisis means easy win for town, makes our detective that much stronger since there's pretty much nobody to block him from checking suspicious people. Unless, of course, mafia gets lucky and either finds him or shoots him. Other mafia is still good for town and can take away that power from mafia (unless he's goon, then it's another warm scumbody town can dispose of). In this case Detective just has to be smart, and check people who the scum wouldn't target with their hedonist.
EZ.
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On February 04 2012 11:25 Sinensis wrote: No one asked you scum.
That's not very nice!
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On February 04 2012 11:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:That's not very nice!
You, prplhz, and Bluelightz are dead once Time turns town.
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Timeaisis bandwagon was way too fast-forming to be legitimate. ##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: Bluelightz
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EBWOP ##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: Bluelightz
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On February 04 2012 11:30 sinani206 wrote: Timeaisis bandwagon was way too fast-forming to be legitimate. ##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: Bluelightz
You need to bold that. I made the same mistake.
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On February 04 2012 11:31 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:30 sinani206 wrote: Timeaisis bandwagon was way too fast-forming to be legitimate. ##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: Bluelightz You need to bold that. I made the same mistake.
On January 29 2012 08:26 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote:On January 29 2012 03:03 Vilonis wrote:/in as a newbie I'm so excited to play mafia. I simply don't have the will power to wait for the next Newbie Mini Mafia to start playing. Only newbies on the player list so far so don't worry! I hope you have fun and stick around HEY IVE PLAYED 17 GAMES. SEVEN FUCKING TEEN BRO UMAD?
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Sorry Deadline is just CLOSE and people need to WAKE UP
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It's pretty much decided, everyone's cast a vote and posted fairly recently.
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Bet you're happy we don't have active players, aren't you scum?
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sinani206:
Has vote on [UoN]Sentinel Makes a shallow observation of arguable correctness indicating that Timeaisis might be innocent Proceeds to vote Bluelightz Never provides arguments or comments on cases
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On February 04 2012 11:40 prplhz wrote: sinani206:
Has vote on [UoN]Sentinel Makes a shallow observation of arguable correctness indicating that Timeaisis might be innocent Proceeds to vote Bluelightz Never provides arguments or comments on cases
When your motives are self preservation as a town member, arguments or comments on cases are pretty intuitive.
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On February 04 2012 11:42 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:40 prplhz wrote: sinani206:
Has vote on [UoN]Sentinel Makes a shallow observation of arguable correctness indicating that Timeaisis might be innocent Proceeds to vote Bluelightz Never provides arguments or comments on cases When your motives are self preservation as a town member, arguments or comments on cases are pretty intuitive.
When you refuse to listen to reason, arguments on others' cases become nonsense.
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Lets wait and see who's right. It's only 20 minutes now.
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I don't understand half of your posts Sinensis, your sarcasm is really not helping you and you should drop it and just say what the hell is on your mind. I'm not going to allow you to tunnel anybody for the rest of the game, rage out and be done with it and then write a case if you still think people are suspicious.
You showed in the beginning that you could make a plan for the game that was actually not half bad (first decide on whether to lynch, then proceed to the lynch), so I know that you're not as derpy as you're acting right now. Get on with the game, you're not helping anyone like this and that is ultimately scummy.
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On February 04 2012 10:40 Sinensis wrote: Imbeciles. Don't ever insult other players. Attack arguments, not people. If its something that could get you banned on TL its something that can get you modkilled in my game.
This goes for everyone. Getting pissed is fine, saying people are behaving stupidly is fine, directly insulting people is a no-no
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If I'm a townie (And TheToast is a townie, which I think he is) then with the information we have I'm in a unique position to be able verify Timeaisis's innocence based on voting patterns.
I don't know what you think you're talking about. Maybe you can start a bandwagon lynch on me later just like you did with Timeaisis? I don't get it.
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Night 1
Votecount for day 1. With twelve alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Current votes:
Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz
Bluelightz (4): TheToast, Timeaisis, Sinensis, sinani206
mderg (0): Bluelightz, -Bluelightz
Nisani201 (0): Vilonis, -Vilonis
sinani206 (0): prplhz, -prplhz
Vilonis (0): Timeaisis, -Timeaisis
prplhz (0): Sinensis, -Sinensis
Sinensis (0): Bluelightz, -Bluelightz, prplhz, [UoN]Sentinel, Bluelightz, BaronFel, -Bluelightz, -[UoN]Sentinel, -prplhz, -BaronFel
[UoN]Sentinel (0): Nisani201, mderg, Timeaisis, Sinensis, sinani206, -mderg, -Nisani201, -Sinensis, -Timeaisis, -sinani206
Not voting:
The Day deadline is at 2012-02-04 12:00:00. (it's over)
The day was a long and bitter, with much arguing from everyone aboard the ship. Some argued quietly, others with fervor and waving lasguns and bolters. At the end of the cycle however, a clear consensus had been reached, Timeaisis clearly had the taint of chaos on him. Indeed there was no other who was quite as likely to meddle with sorcerers and deamons. With decisiveness and among cries of "For Terra!" "Emperor immortal!" and "Death to the Enemies of Man" Timeaisis was dragged before a firing squad, his feeble protests unheard over the fervent cries of the crew. As one, the men of the ship opened fire on him, the soft thrum of lasfire and the loud roar of bolter shells mingling in a cacaphony of destruction. Timeaisis exploded in a shower of green gore, leaving the crew stunned and silent in the aftermath of the destruction they had wrought. In silence they marched off to their quarters, some to beg for the Emperors wisdom, others to ready their arms should they be attacked at night, some to rest, and others to plot.
Timeaisis ,Astolf Lindström, an Imperial Guardsman has been judged and executed.
Night 1 will end on 2012-02-05 at 12:00:00
Send all night actions to both GMarshal and myself.
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Well unless we have a good priest/medic, I'm dead tonight.
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timeaisis please don't hate me forever
no flavor text? :o
Oh Toastie, is it time for the WIFOM GAME SHOW??
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@EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast?
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Because while people have been accusing prp and I of blindly lynching Time without considering the big picture, I'm accusing you of supporting Time and nobody else without considering the big picture. Time for a filter check.
Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?
I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz.
This has been proven false, and you're using the argument Time already overused (he's new).
What's he going to say that's going make 6 of us change our votes? I can't think of anything. In my mind he already slipped up and is the most obvious choice for scum.
On a scale of 1 to Fe, how much irony does this statement contain?
I think EchelonTee is the one being emotional. He's been grilling Timeaisis and ONLY Timeaisis this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think neither are scum.
I think Sinensis is the one being emotional. He's been grilling me, prplhz and Blue, and ONLY us 3 this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think he isn't scum... for now.
Also, Sentinel is going down in threat level to me as time passes, still suspicious though.
You've addressed me as nothing but "scum" this entire page.
You guys are about to kill a townie just because prplhz said "Well it's obviously Sentinel or Timeaisis"
Yes, it's not like we haven't made 20+ posts between the two of us justifying why Time could be scum.
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EBWOP: Didn't see day post.
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Toast-
I wouldn't be worried if I were you.
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On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast?
Was null leaning green, I don't know why he posted that right after the day post though. you?
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Looks like my primary suspects haven't changed.
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I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.
Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.
Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more.
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On February 04 2012 12:11 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast? Was null leaning green, I don't know why he posted that right after the day post though. you?
Because I was right all along and it's in Mafia's best interest to get rid of the person whose on the right track.
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Sinensis, you aren't really making this easier. While you may not be acting like scum, you're really hurting towns chances by throwing around accusations and not really giving any logical arguments =/
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On February 04 2012 12:23 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 12:11 EchelonTee wrote:On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast? Was null leaning green, I don't know why he posted that right after the day post though. you? Because I was right all along and it's in Mafia's best interest to get rid of the person whose on the right track.
WIFOM TRAP CARD!
In all honesty, directing da bluez is almost never a good idea. Unless your town circle has BC, Foolishness, and Incognito.
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On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.
Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.
Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more.
Most logical? Being that the case was WRONG I find that hard to believe. Especially since Bluelightz has been screaming scum from page 5. Seeing you constantly making these bizzare statements is absurd. You were wrong, I was right. If you are not scum you must be one of the worst town players in this game.
But that is not the case. No the warp spawn have you in their control. Your sole has been lost in the endless sea of flux, your heart corrupted by the power of the chaos gods. By the emperor I will see you and bluelights lynched for your heresy!!!
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On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.
Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.
Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more.
There were a few flags for me, like this post; it seems sort of precognitive, if you know what I mean. and his very unclear opinion on sinani.
Speaking of which, @Toast what do you think about sinani?
Be back in a few. EVERYONE TALK MOAR NOW YOU DONT KNOW IF IT WILL BE YOUR LAST GASP
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On February 04 2012 12:30 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.
Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.
Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more. There were a few flags for me, like this post; it seems sort of precognitive, if you know what I mean. and his very unclear opinion on sinani. Speaking of which, @Toast what do you think about sinani? Be back in a few. EVERYONE TALK MOAR NOW YOU DONT KNOW IF IT WILL BE YOUR LAST GASP
Are you accusing me of being able to see into the future? O.o
I've been thinking sinani is town, but vote selection has me wondering. When he switched his vote, Time had 8 votes against him already. It was also done at the 11th hour (I think there was maybe 20 minutes left?) and therefore it unlikely that two other votes would be changed; the number needed to stop the lynching of Time. That means means Sinani could easily have thrown his vote onto a Mafia just to keep suspicion off of him. A combination of options #2 and #3 that I listed in the post you linked. Then again he could also just be lurking (for good reason).
Either way, I don't think there is enough evidence against Sinani to make a definite call one way or the other. At least not yet. For the moment I think we should proceed as though he were town, but with some suspicion on him.
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Sorry Time , Hope we can be friends later on >.<
The Lynch:
There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me.
From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time.
Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz
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On February 04 2012 14:17 Bluelightz wrote:Sorry Time , Hope we can be friends later on >.<
The Lynch: There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me. From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz
While I don't disagree with your assessment, would you care to venture who you suspect at the moment, from that list?
where is the activity. no one has opinion on the lynch?
graaaa get active now ppls. D1 has the least info. with more info, more discussion needs to be swirling.
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On February 04 2012 13:13 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 12:30 EchelonTee wrote:On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.
Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.
Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more. There were a few flags for me, like this post; it seems sort of precognitive, if you know what I mean. and his very unclear opinion on sinani. Speaking of which, @Toast what do you think about sinani? Be back in a few. EVERYONE TALK MOAR NOW YOU DONT KNOW IF IT WILL BE YOUR LAST GASP Are you accusing me of being able to see into the future? O.o I've been thinking sinani is town, but vote selection has me wondering. When he switched his vote, Time had 8 votes against him already. It was also done at the 11th hour (I think there was maybe 20 minutes left?) and therefore it unlikely that two other votes would be changed; the number needed to stop the lynching of Time. That means means Sinani could easily have thrown his vote onto a Mafia just to keep suspicion off of him. A combination of options #2 and #3 that I listed in the post you linked. Then again he could also just be lurking (for good reason). Either way, I don't think there is enough evidence against Sinani to make a definite call one way or the other. At least not yet. For the moment I think we should proceed as though he were town, but with some suspicion on him.
No, not quite; it is important though, to consider that people might know how the lynch will turn out. Other people expressed similar sentiments, so it doesn't incriminate you obvi.
Are you suggesting that sinani, as red, moved his vote onto another mafia teammate to make himself look good, or that he, as green, moved his vote onto someone else he saw as mafia? Just trying to get a sense of what you're saying.
Your thoughts make sense though; I wouldn't go so far as proceeding as though he is town, but yah, the dude needs to post more.
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Eight people voted for Timeaisis, four for Bluelightz. There were 9 townies and 3 scum.
Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz Bluelightz (4): TheToast, Timeaisis, Sinensis, sinani206
1. If TheToast, Me, or sinani206 are scum, it means mafia split their votes between Bluelightz and Timeaisis. 2. I believe that TheToast and sinani206 are town because they were the only other people in this game, aside from me, who didn't just try to kill an innocent person (Timeaisis) based off a fast forming illogical mob of votes against him. 3. Given that I believe TheToast and sinani206 are town, I must also believe that all mafia members voted for Timeaisis. 4. If all mafia members voted for Timeaisis it means they used a strategy of trying to incriminate a noob based on faulty "scum slips," just like prplhz said a more experienced scum would try to. Coincidence? 5. I am noob too and had a similar bandwagon of votes form against me much earlier, by the same people who went after Timeaisis and got him lynched: prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel.
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6. As of posting this and everything I've read before it, I believe they will try to kill TheToast tonight.
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On February 04 2012 11:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Let's break down what our friend here can be. Imperial Timeaisis, or even worse, Blue Timeaisis dying today, means I'm probably fucked, and prplhz is joining me in that club since he's been backing me up. I'll repay that gratitude in the best way I can, because I don't know if you're scum or not but you let me survive the day, and I owe you that.
That´s not the way to go... If he´s scum you shouldn´t defend him just because he defended you.
On February 04 2012 11:29 Sinensis wrote: You, prplhz, and Bluelightz are dead once Time turns town. Because they attacked you for your stupid play at the beginning and got Timeaisis lynched? They were wrong about Timeaisis but they gave proper reasons. If they were scum just because they got a townie lynched, Mafia would be easy.
On February 04 2012 12:28 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.
Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.
Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more. Most logical? Being that the case was WRONG I find that hard to believe. Especially since Bluelightz has been screaming scum from page 5. Seeing you constantly making these bizzare statements is absurd. You were wrong, I was right. If you are not scum you must be one of the worst town players in this game. It was the most logical case. The other two cases (I don´t count the one against Sinensis) were: 1.Me trying to pressure Sentinel to force him into a mistake, scum slip or something like that; he didn´t make a mistake, so it wasn´t a strong case. 2.The case against Bluelightz, which also wasn´t strong. What you said about him made sense but in no way justifies a lynch. He didn´t make as many bad posts as Timeaisis, so his case was weaker.
On February 04 2012 16:28 Sinensis wrote: 6. As of posting this and everything I've read before it, I believe they will try to kill TheToast tonight. What information do we get out of that?
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@ET
my choice is BaronFel because,
1).Hardcore Lurking! 2).Sheeping 3).Hardly contributing
Will explain more on this when I can, cause I gotta sleep now.
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On February 04 2012 15:44 Sinensis wrote: Eight people voted for Timeaisis, four for Bluelightz. There were 9 townies and 3 scum.
Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz Bluelightz (4): TheToast, Timeaisis, Sinensis, sinani206
1. If TheToast, Me, or sinani206 are scum, it means mafia split their votes between Bluelightz and Timeaisis. 2. I believe that TheToast and sinani206 are town because they were the only other people in this game, aside from me, who didn't just try to kill an innocent person (Timeaisis) based off a fast forming illogical mob of votes against him. 3. Given that I believe TheToast and sinani206 are town, I must also believe that all mafia members voted for Timeaisis.
Illogical? We're giving more evidence than you, and you're not even trying to come up with counterarguments other than "It's not logical" and "These people are scum for voting Timeaisis". And like mderg just said, it was the strongest case of the two (or three if you count Bluelightz)
4. If all mafia members voted for Timeaisis it means they used a strategy of trying to incriminate a noob based on faulty "scum slips," just like prplhz said a more experienced scum would try to. Coincidence?
Umm... that is a common tactic. I'm a noob and I know how to do that. In fact it was so nooby that I suspected Timeaisis of doing that with his vote on me.
5. I am noob too and had a similar bandwagon of votes form against me much earlier, by the same people who went after Timeaisis and got him lynched: prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel.
What was that about you playing a game 2.5 years ago?
TL;DR - With your current set of arguments I'm growing rather suspicious of you.
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Also, Hammer Mini Mafia is over so I'll try to be more active in here.
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Remember that both redff and I need to get night actions from everyone who has them.
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On February 04 2012 14:17 Bluelightz wrote:Sorry Time , Hope we can be friends later on >.<
The Lynch: There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me. From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz
Why are you writing this? What's your motivation here? Obviously there was at least one mafia voting Time, it was you lol.
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Do we just tell you "Do [Action] to [Player]" or do we have to send it to Zbot?
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On February 05 2012 06:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Do we just tell you "Do [Action] to [Player]" or do we have to send it to Zbot? Night actions are PMed to RedFF and Myself, NOT to Zbot. They can be in any format, as long as I understand what the action is.
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Okay, going to do this now since I think there is a good chance I'm dead tonight.
prplhz is scum, no question.
For right now I'm going to ignore his strange early vote against Sinani. prplhz claimed it was a "joke vote". Maybe it was, idk. But it could also be that he is using that to cover up a very early and very bad attempt to start a bandwagon. Either way this is not in itself good evidence IMO (a later statement about this does though, so I will come back to this)
What does add up to evidence against him, IMO is his constant short pointless posts that seemed to constantly be pushing town in the wrong direction. First of these was very early D1:
On February 02 2012 19:53 prplhz wrote: We're lynching today.
Are we? No explanation as to why, no analysis of the setup or why it's in our best interest? With all things being the same, D1 lynch benefits mafia. With good analysis town can turn this into their favor. Doesn't prove anything, but made me suspicious early on.
On February 02 2012 20:23 prplhz wrote: ##Unvote: sinani206 ##Vote: Sinensis
He's talking about no-lynching and he's making stupid lists. Rest is fluff. I think we found ourselves a scum here and I guess sinani206 will have to wait. [/b][/b]
The second person to get the bandwagon moving against Sinesis. Take a look at the second half of this post though. "sinani206 will have to wait" Will have to wait? This doesn't sound like someone who was making a joke post. If it was a joke, why not say "lol, I was just joking about Sinani"?? Or "Sinani isn't really scum IMO, just joking"?? His choice of word here to me indicates that he was earlier quiet serious about Sinani. My guess is that there was some disagreement among the scum. prplhz likely wanted to take out Sinani early as he is a vet scum hunter (a good move) but then bluelightz decided Sinesis was the better tartget; forcing prplhz into backing Bluelightz to avoid looking completely scummy from page 5. (I imagine there were some angry and hilarious PMs flooding between these two lol)
His reasoning here was also strange. Bluelightz at least added a bunch of fluff to make it look like he was analyzing Sinesis, prplhz didn't even do that. He's didn't even make any lists at this point. Sinesis was also advocating against a no-lynch, I have no idea what prplhz was talking about here; likely a terrible attempt to get the members of town who didn't read Sinesis's posts clearly to bandwagon (which unbelievably worked).
On February 02 2012 20:33 prplhz wrote: You're dead, scum.
Now if you want to talk fluff... This to me is a dead giveaway of someone trying to start a bandwagon on a townie. No analysis, no quotes, just a one liner intended to try to focus the attention of non-critical townies. Why would you even post this? What's the point here? At this point there had been <10 posts discussing why Sinesis might be scum, was prplhz really that terribly convinced by those few short posts? Would a vet really fall into that trap??
On February 03 2012 12:53 prplhz wrote: I'm gonna post more tomorrow. My two first posts were primarily meant to get this game started fast so I posted semi-controversial things. I'm surprised no one went more crazy over my first post where I joke-voted, people usually go crazy about that. The second vote got people going though, keep it relevant and transparent, but most important of all, keep it coming.
I don't think that sinani206, Nisani201 and I should be treated any differently from the rest of you. We may have played a lot of games but I doubt any of us would argue that we're too awesome at this game. We don't go around ravishing scum teams on a regular basis at all. What you should expect of us is that we will act logical and coherent, but you should expect this from anybody in this game.
@sinani206 Do you truly believe any of that nonsense you just posted about me?
Here's where the "joke vote" claim came in that I was discussing before. This was after Sinani called him out on page 9 and after a few people listed him as suspicious. The "I'll post more later" is a typical tactic of someone who is backed into a corner and isn't sure how to get out.
I'm not sure what point he's trying to make with this "controversial" claim. This is essentially like saying "To move the game along I just posted a bunch of pointless stupid shit", which makes no sense given that one of the goals of town is to avoid muddying the waters with garbage. Either this makes him a really terrible townie, which I find hard to believe since he is a bit of a vet, or more likely he is scum (whose goal is to intentionally muddy the waters).
After I made my argument against Bluelightz and defense of Timeaisis at the bottom of page 9, prphlz comes back with this quip:
On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't.
##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis
Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum.
Analysis of my argument??? Analysis of ET's argument???? NOPE!!!!! "we need to lynch someone so kill Time. Really? No thoughts on this at all? Why are you so sure it's a good idea to kill Time? Why are you so intent on lynching someone based on one short analysis of someone?? I called him out about this very thing and he responded as such:
On February 04 2012 04:38 prplhz wrote:
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote:On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed. On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree. On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum. This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. No. Do you really want me to argue against this? First, this is purely speculation since you don't know if GMarshal balanced the game or not. Second, there are tons of first gamers in this game (mderg, Vilonis, BaronFel, Sinensis, Timeasis) you don't think any of those can be scum? Third, these games tend to be town favored, if he stacked either side he would probably be stacking town but again, this is purely speculation.
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:
His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite.
First of all, this is all WIFOM and speculation, you don't know how Timeasis plays scum. Also, it is plain wrong, Timeasis didn't try to stick out at all in my opinion, he didn't push any lynches or post anyooks kinda like you're depsperately tryithing controversial. You also say that Mafia tend to lurk, while you said here that you don't think sinani206 is scum, because scum don't lurk. Seems like you're just making stuff up on the fly.
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:
Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about.
Can you link me that good analysis against [UoN]Sentinel and against Bluelightz? I saw a pretty bad analysis on Bluelightz accompanied by a pretty bad push where you say that you'll vote [UoN]Sentinel anyway. We're lynching Timeasis today.
As for the no-lynch v. lynch discussion, I will always prefer lynch over no lynch, unless we're lynching a confirmed town. This is alignment independent for me and we can discuss it post game if you want to. But I never said that, I say that we should lynch Timeasis because he is scum, not because I prefer lynching "someone" over no-one so you're kinda putting words in my mouth now aren't you?
Why does my bizarre behavior early on make me scum? Didn't you also just say in your defense of Timeasis that scum don't generally try to attract attention to themselves early on.
It seems to me like you're making stuff up on the fly to fit with whatever you've decided to believe. You should stop this.[/QUOTE]
First thing; the number of spelling mistakes and broken BBcode tags in this post suggest to me that it was rather hastily assembled (something we don't see in any of his other posts). Nervous maybe that he just made a huge slip up?
I'll admit, he was right about the first point. I mistakenly believed this game was balanced.
His second point is interesting "you don't know how he plays scum". My argument was basically that a first time Mafia player is likely to lurk more and be less outspoken. A fair assumption, and something that most Mafia guides support. He also twisted my point about Sinani. I said Sinani was likely town because as a VET player, he would know that when Mafia lurks they tend to lose. As a NEW player, Time would likely not understand that too well. prphlz is also a vet, he knows exactly what I was talking about, such a blatant attempt to (badly) twist my point is a good tell for me.
His last point is a wash for me, I did what I think was a pretty decent analysis of Bluelightz and brought up some good points. Disagreeing with that doesn't necessarily make him scum IMO.
I think I have already covered his last point about his early vote decently.
On February 04 2012 05:16 prplhz wrote: @Timeasis You don't lynch someone just because there isn't an elaborate defense of them. I think EchelonTee pointed out a lot of good points about you and I already found you scummy for those and additional reasons which is why I am pushing you.
His persistence against Time is interesting now that we know Time was town, but then again a good chunk of town voted for Time too based on ET's short argument, so this itself does not prove anything.
On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town?
Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these.
Here's a good one. His last statement, in retrospect, does seem awfully like railroading doesn't it? Who made him the ultimate vote decider? I'm not sure where he got this idea that was using the same argument for Time being town as prphlz for being scum. What was my argument against prphlz? Let's take a look:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2012 04:12 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't.
##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis
Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum. That's exactly what I was waiting for. The level of analysis here is positively staggering. I love how effectively you responded to all of my points about Timeaisis. [/sarcasm] This is a bandwagoning if I've ever seen one. Where's your analysis of Timeasis or Et's post? Why is lynching "someone" better than lynching no one? So many votes are already on Sentinel, why shouldn't we lynch him? Combined with your bizzare behavior early on, I'm now positive you are scum as well. Thanks for making this really obvious.
^^This was my initial argument against prphlz. Calling people out without any analysis or responding to any of Time's points.
I did not use this as my argument for why Time was town. prphlz was talking out his butt at this point to save his neck.
prphlz also then made a string of very passionate posts defending Sentinel. I am not sure why he did this, but it is the same type of bizzare defense of Sentinel we saw from Bluelightz, suggests (but does not prove) that Sentinel may be scum.
On February 04 2012 09:17 prplhz wrote: @sinani206
Switch to Timeaisis. [UoN]Sentinel is a fucking horrible lynch and if you gathered any skill at all over your SEVEN FUCKING TEEN games then you should know this. There are way more than this, but I don't want this to get any longer.
Then there was this:
On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast?
Being that ET's terrible analysis of Time ended with a townie getting lynched, it makes sense that scum would try to swing ET's attention onto another townie. Obviously ET's analysis was convincing, so why not try to get him to write another?
On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote: I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.
Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.
Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more.
This last one was the best. Most logical case? Ironic considering prphlz used about one of the least logical arguments possible to refute my defense of Time. To me, this is prphlz clearly trying to cover his tracks here. His terrible arguments were instrumental in moving forward the bandwagon on Time. By trying to claim that it was all based on logical analysis, he thinks he can make himself look townie.
But in reality, the only thing that explains all of his actions, his bad arguments, and every other point I've brought up here is that he is mafia. No question in my mind.
Since I think I am likely to be dead tonight, let me summerize:
Scum: Bluelightz prphlz
If we have a vigilante on the team, you know what you have to do. If not then guys, MAKE SURE ONE OF THESE TWO IS LYNCHED DAY 2!
For reference here is my posts on Bluelightz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=9#176
I'm not entirely sure who the third member is, my two candidates are [UoN]Sentinel and EchelonTee
-Sentinel looks like the most likely candidate. Bluelightz and prphlz have both defended him, and he was the third person on the early bandwagon against Sinesis. His posting is pretty clean though, and the analysis against him was not at all conclusive. I'm thinking there is a very good chance he is mafia number 3, but I don't have any conclusive proof against him.
-EchelonTee I think is the only other candidate for #3. The only reason I bring him up is for his terrible analysis of Time, I mean like really bad analysis. If you actually read Time's posting it should be really clear he was town. However I cannot find any other clues in his posts that would indicate he is scum, probably just really bad at analysis. prphlz also continued to use ET's analysis as reasoning for lynching Time, but I think he just saw bad analysis that he could take advantage of. I could be wrong about that though.
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^^Before I finish reading that, one of your quote tags is broken, it made it seem like half of your post you were arguing with yourself.
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I'm not going to analyse who I think is mafia, I am going to analyse why TheToast is town, why we should belive what he says that huge ass post he just made, and, therefore, why we should lynch Bluelightz and prphlz.
First, his consistency. Everyone should read through TheToast's filter. He has been tracking and building up evidence against Bluelightz and prphlz the whole game.
He didn't want to lynch Timeasis
Example,
On February 04 2012 09:47 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 09:15 sinani206 wrote:OK, I don't think you people understand. Get your fucking votes on Sentinel or Timeasis. We can't risk a NL on Day 1. In case you don't understand, This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. THIS MEANS YOU: Bluelightz Vilonis TheToast BaronFel mdergAlso @prplhz: lol Nope, I'm good right where I am. Timeaisis or Sentinel may be scum, but I don't think there is enough evidence against either one. Since you all seem to have rejected the logic of my plan, I hope you all get really lucky.
In addition, he has done more helpful analysis than anyone else in this thread, and called out more poor analysis.
The point of all of this? TheToast is right. If it is possible, he should be saved. He is the most obvious town right now.
We should also keep an eye on Bluelightz and prphlz, and consider them strong lynch candidates.
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For clarification, all unlabeled quotes are written by TheToast
Here's a good one. His last statement, in retrospect, does seem awfully like railroading doesn't it? Who made him the ultimate vote decider?
Sinensis made a similar comment.
prphlz also then made a string of very passionate posts defending Sentinel. I am not sure why he did this, but it is the same type of bizzare defense of Sentinel we saw from Bluelightz, suggests (but does not prove) that Sentinel may be scum.
I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense.
Now you're helping knock out reason #2.
If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him.
Next up:
but then again a good chunk of town voted for Time too based on ET's short argument
Being that ET's terrible analysis of Time ended with a townie getting lynched, it makes sense that scum would try to swing ET's attention onto another townie. Obviously ET's analysis was convincing
His terrible arguments were instrumental in moving forward the bandwagon on Time
So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched?
I'm thinking there is a very good chance he is mafia number 3, but I don't have any conclusive proof against him.
Keep thinking that, see where it gets you
Since I think I am likely to be dead tonight
Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily.
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It's easy in hindsight to say that analysis was stupid/wrong; at the time no one had any tangible objections to my analysis. I noted that Timeaisis looked nooby, but it was his bandwagoning/excessive agreement + that he didn't defend/respond to me much at all, that made me think he was scum. You can't say that he was CLEARLY, OBVIOUS town; he had scum traits. So did other people; thats why moving forward we've got stuff to work with.
Won't be around for the Day post; my primary suspect is Bluelightz.
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Day post is in 2 and a half hours right?
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On February 05 2012 09:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Day post is in 2 and a half hours right? Two hours now, but yes.
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Just want to say that I don't think you're scum TheToast.
I'll respond to your accusations a bit later.
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On February 05 2012 09:08 EchelonTee wrote: It's easy in hindsight to say that analysis was stupid/wrong; at the time no one had any tangible objections to my analysis. I noted that Timeaisis looked nooby, but it was his bandwagoning/excessive agreement + that he didn't defend/respond to me much at all, that made me think he was scum. You can't say that he was CLEARLY, OBVIOUS town; he had scum traits. So did other people; thats why moving forward we've got stuff to work with.
Won't be around for the Day post; my primary suspect is Bluelightz.
Actually I said quite clearly at the time that Timeaisis was town.
[QUOTE]On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote: [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote: [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum.[/QUOTE]
This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but:
FoS: Timeaisis[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum.[quote]
There's nothing "in hindsight" about my post. Your analysis was deeply flawed. My favorite point is when you accused him of over and over claiming that he was new: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:
I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this:
[QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. [/QUOTE]
Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum.
##Vote Timeaisis[/QUOTE]
Now when you said "your filter is full of stuff like this" did you actually mean to say "you have one post that says this"???
Because that was the ONLY post from time that uses the word "new" prior to you posting that. It's one of two posts where he mentioned that he was a newbie. Both of these were on page 4 in the absolute beginning of the game. He did not mention his newness again. Yet here you are 5 pages later calling him out as being scum. You did it again here:
[QUOTE]On February 03 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 11:55 Timeaisis wrote: [QUOTE]On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. [/QUOTE]
Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum.
##Vote Timeaisis[/QUOTE]
I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On February 02 2012 12:57 Timeaisis wrote: Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. .[/QUOTE] directly stating
[QUOTE]On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. [/QUOTE] restating badness
[QUOTE]On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. [/QUOTE] this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge
you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts.[/QUOTE]
Making your argument with the same two posts. Nice. Oh, and that last one hilariously was his response to you after you called him out for being wrong about lurkers. You were actually right and he was wrong, HOW should he have responded to you???
I loved this one two:
[QUOTE]On February 04 2012 06:05 EchelonTee wrote: [QUOTE]On February 04 2012 04:54 Timeaisis wrote: Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new. [/QUOTE]
funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago [/QUOTE]
Oooo he was wrong about a game Sinesis played TWO YEARS AGO.... wow he MUST be scum NOW.....
You also never bothered to respond to me defense of Time, I don't know if you missed it or just ignored it. Not sure how you could have missed it because prphlz spent half a page trying to break it apart with ridiculous counter points.
The more I hear from you, the less convinced I am that you just made some bad analysis. Your response here really looks like you are desperately trying to sweep this under the rug.
[QUOTE]On February 05 2012 10:25 prplhz wrote: Just want to say that I don't think you're scum TheToast.
I'll respond to your accusations a bit later.[/QUOTE]
Remember what I said? This is the "I have no response to this so I need time to come up with some BS answer as to why this is not right". Or maybe scum is trying to take me down tonight and you are hoping that after I am gone you can argue everyone down with some BS knowing that I can't continue to point out why it's BS. Which apparently the rest of the town seems unwilling to do.
If it's a matter of time, why even bother posting anything at all? Why not just post your whole defense later? What's even the point of leaving this message? I think you are a bit afraid that if the townies read this and sit thinking about it for too long they are going to realize I am very right.
[QUOTE]On February 05 2012 08:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense.
Now you're helping knock out reason #2.
If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him.[/quote]
This makes no sense to me.
[quote] So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched?[/quote]
Neither. They provided the spark, the townies threw on the fuel that started the fire. prplhz is scum, 100%. Whether ET is scum or not I am still not sure. It's either him or you.
[quote]Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily.[/QUOTE]
I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly.
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shit. Let me repost that in a fashion that is actually readable. Sorry about that, I accidentally deleted a quote tag. Same post as above.
On February 05 2012 10:55 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 09:08 EchelonTee wrote: It's easy in hindsight to say that analysis was stupid/wrong; at the time no one had any tangible objections to my analysis. I noted that Timeaisis looked nooby, but it was his bandwagoning/excessive agreement + that he didn't defend/respond to me much at all, that made me think he was scum. You can't say that he was CLEARLY, OBVIOUS town; he had scum traits. So did other people; thats why moving forward we've got stuff to work with.
Won't be around for the Day post; my primary suspect is Bluelightz.
Actually I said quite clearly at the time that Timeaisis was town.
On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote:On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed. On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree. On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum. This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum.
There's nothing "in hindsight" about my post. Your analysis was deeply flawed. My favorite point is when you accused him of over and over claiming that he was new:
On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis
Now when you said "your filter is full of stuff like this" did you actually mean to say "you have one post that says this"???
Because that was the ONLY post from time that uses the word "new" prior to you posting that. It's one of two posts where he mentioned that he was a newbie. Both of these were on page 4 in the absolute beginning of the game. He did not mention his newness again. Yet here you are 5 pages later calling him out as being scum. You did it again here:
On February 03 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 11:55 Timeaisis wrote:On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say. Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 12:57 Timeaisis wrote: Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. . directly stating Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. restating badness Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts.
Making your argument with the same two posts. Nice. Oh, and that last one hilariously was his response to you after you called him out for being wrong about lurkers. You were actually right and he was wrong, HOW should he have responded to you???
I loved this one two:
On February 04 2012 06:05 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 04:54 Timeaisis wrote: Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago
Oooo he was wrong about a game Sinesis played TWO YEARS AGO.... wow he MUST be scum NOW.....
You also never bothered to respond to me defense of Time, I don't know if you missed it or just ignored it. Not sure how you could have missed it because prphlz spent half a page trying to break it apart with ridiculous counter points.
The more I hear from you, the less convinced I am that you just made some bad analysis. Your response here really looks like you are desperately trying to sweep this under the rug.
On February 05 2012 10:25 prplhz wrote: Just want to say that I don't think you're scum TheToast.
I'll respond to your accusations a bit later.
Remember what I said? This is the "I have no response to this so I need time to come up with some BS answer as to why this is not right". Or maybe scum is trying to take me down tonight and you are hoping that after I am gone you can argue everyone down with some BS knowing that I can't continue to point out why it's BS. Which apparently the rest of the town seems unwilling to do.
If it's a matter of time, why even bother posting anything at all? Why not just post your whole defense later? What's even the point of leaving this message? I think you are a bit afraid that if the townies read this and sit thinking about it for too long they are going to realize I am very right.
On February 05 2012 08:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I support prplhz for two reasons - 1) His defense helped me not get lynched, and 2) His logic makes sense.
Now you're helping knock out reason #2.
If he's scum, this is actually a good strategy. He's giving me full support in the hopes that I'm blue (if I had to guess, there are 3-4 blue roles so that's 33%-44% chance of being right, fairly good odds) so that when he gets lynched, I go down with him.
This makes no sense to me.
So is it ET or prplhz who got Time lynched?
Neither. They provided the spark, the townies threw on the fuel that started the fire. prplhz is scum, 100%. Whether ET is scum or not I am still not sure. It's either him or you.
Don't resign yourself to your fate that easily.
I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly.
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What the fuck? You never said "I think ET's analysis is bad", you said "I don't think Timeaisis is scum". THOSE TWO STATEMENTS ARE DIFFERENT. Point to me where you said "ET'S ANALYSIS IS BAD".
He emphasized his noobiness THREE times. Even if he didn't use the exact word NEW each time, it does NOT mean he didn't say a similar thought each time. And the fact that it was his response to me? It's because I was gauging him!!! Whenever someone goes around saying "oh Im new im new" it's a fcking red flag; happened in TL Mafia with Macpo, in Student Mafia with jaybrundage, IT'S A SCUM TELL. He stated he was new two times in succession, so I gauged him with questions. It's how you play Mafia. Not go around "Hmm I think you're wrong, because you're wrong, and look I was always right so my reads are always right!" jesus.
And I said it's a FUNFACT!!!! I just thought it was INTERESTING that Sinensis had played a game 2.5 years ago! I'm not trying to fcking manipulate anything here; it still qualifies him as a noob because this is only his second game.
Those three things really make me suspicious? Like wtf. Half the town is inactive, other half spewing vitriole at each other. You're town but you gotta be more logical with this stuff. Also, you're obviously not going to die because you wifom'd your way out of it, so all we can do is hope your reads are correct.
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I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly.
Why are you assuming that sinani is town? or that he is next best target?
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On February 05 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote: @ET
my choice is BaronFel because,
1).Hardcore Lurking! 2).Sheeping 3).Hardly contributing
Will explain more on this when I can, cause I gotta sleep now.
please do explain more, mr. light.
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On February 05 2012 11:41 EchelonTee wrote: Those three things really make me suspicious? Like wtf. Half the town is inactive, other half spewing vitriole at each other. You're town but you gotta be more logical with this stuff.
Yes it does make you suspicious. Doesn't mean you are scum though, as I said I don't think there is enough evidence to make a call against a third person. Just that you and Sentinel should be on everyone's radar.
You are right about half the town being inactive though. Makes it much easier for Mafia to hide out among them.
On February 05 2012 11:47 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly. Why are you assuming that sinani is town? or that he is next best target?
Hopefully we are close enough to the Day 2 deadline without getting him killed. I'm pretty sure Sinani is a blue. It makes sense. Sinani is a vet, he's also a good confirmed scum hunter. I think he knows Mafia would be gunning for him from the beginning. By laying low he has the best chance of making it past day one and using his night power. If he were chaos he would have been much more active and been manipulating people all along.
Of course the very nature of a lurker means I don't have much evidence to back up this theory, but it seems to fit IMO.
I hope you are right about me staying alive. If I do die though, town avenge me. Burn the heretics!!!!!!!!!
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United States22154 Posts
Day 2
There is no place for the weakwilled or hesitant. Only by firm action and resolute faith will mankind survive. No sacrifice is too great. No treachery too small.
The night is long and bloody, in the bowels of the ship. Death stalks the corridors. Violinis sits in his room, in devoted prayer to the emperor.
A spiritu dominatus, Domine, libra nos,
Outside his door something creaks, letting out a long, inhuman growl. If Violinis notices he pays it no heed, reverently prostrate in front of the idol, the sickeningly sweet smell of incense permeating the room. His voice droning in adoration.
From the lighting and the tempest, Our Emperor, deliver us. From plague, temptation and war, Our Emperor, deliver us, From the scourge of the Kraken, Our Emperor, deliver us.
The door swings open, with the groaning of steel on steel on steel, and a shadow creeps forward, still ignored by Violinis, who remains steadfast in prayer, even as the shadow rustles behind him, raising a malformed and twisted blade, which shines strangely in the candle light, the reflection of the emperor corrupted in its reflection.
From the blasphemy of the Fallen, Our Emperor, deliver us, From the begetting of daemons, Our Emperor, deliver us, From the curse of the mutant, Our Emperor, deliver us, A morte perpetua, Domine, libra nos.
The blade falls, blood spurting from Violinis' lips, interrupted mid oration. He twiches, still beseeching the emperor's salvation, and then speaks no more. The shadow turns to leave, but outlined in the door is a man. Not a tall man, nor particularly imposing, but one of his hands is encased in steel. Before the shadow can flinch, it finds itself entrapped by the hand, and its crushing strength. The shadow writhes in the blessed grasp of the emperor's wrath, before exploding into a thin red mist. The man turns and leaves, the conclusion to the prayer leaving his gaunt lips, almost unbidden:
That thou wouldst bring them only death, That thou shouldst spare none, That thou shouldst pardon none We beseech the, destroy them.
Violinis, Johnathan Straus, a Tainted Imperial Guardsman rests in the arms of the emperor! Sinani206, Issisus the Pustulent, a Chaos Plaguebearer has been cast into the warp!
It is now day 2! You have 48 hours to determine who to lynch!
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I shot sinani206 in the face.
NO MORE KILLING MY COMMAND CENTER
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This was my defense by the way, since I'm confirmed town I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on your case TheToast. We can talk about it after the game if you want to
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Whelp. Looks like I was wrong about ET and Sentinel.
And I was really fucking wrong about Sinani. I'm wondering who the vigilante is and how they knew.
Either way it's time to go after the next most competent mafia.
##Vote: prplhz
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On February 05 2012 12:02 prplhz wrote:This was my defense by the way, since I'm confirmed town I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on your case TheToast. We can talk about it after the game if you want to
Did I miss something????
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The post just above that. I'm the vigilante who shot sinani206 making me confirmed town.
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Well now I feel that much better about you prplhz.
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On February 05 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote: The post just above that. I'm the vigilante who shot sinani206 making me confirmed town.
Can you give us anything more than your word to go on? How did you know Sinani was mafia? Can you give me any reasoning behind and of the issues I brought up?
And if you are indeed town, who are the other two mafia, besides bluelightz??
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And here's a thought, if you were willing to uncover yourself as a blue, why not post it just before the start of day 2, so we all would have absolute proof that you are a blue? Why wait until just a minute after day 2 post?
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Because they could have had a roleblocker (which it turns out that they did).
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You could have posted it at 11:59 KST and they would not have been able to role block. I guess we will have to wait and see if any other townies come forward saying they are the vigilante. For the moment I won't be changing my vote.
I'm at a loss as to why they took out Violinis though.
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How did you know Sinani was mafia? Can you give me any reasoning behind and of the issues I brought up?
Maybe you were just wrong in your rationale?
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On February 05 2012 12:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +How did you know Sinani was mafia? Can you give me any reasoning behind and of the issues I brought up?
Maybe you were just wrong in your rationale?
Well obviously I was. Sinani obviously had a very good plan going into this game.
I want to know how prphlz picked up on it though.
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I also am unsure why Vilonis was targeted. He was a bit of a lurker, but not much. He went along with the bandwagon on Timeaisis early.
Only interesting things he did was his vote on Nisani201 and backing me up.
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On February 05 2012 12:25 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 12:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:How did you know Sinani was mafia? Can you give me any reasoning behind and of the issues I brought up?
Maybe you were just wrong in your rationale? Well obviously I was. Sinani obviously had a very good plan going into this game. I want to know how prphlz picked up on it though.
......sinani lurked, attacked someone who was on him (prplhz), and stayed off the townie bandwagon, to give himself an alibi. The last bit is slightly clever, but lurking and OMGUSing is, like, scum 101. That you kept on calling him town was just plain weird to me.
If no vigilante counterclaims, get your gdam vote off prplhz.
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rofl, you're a crazy man toast
Unless another vigilante claims to have shot tonight I am confirmed town. If another vigilante claims, then you can start handling that situation. Right now no other vigilante has claimed and you should proceed as if no other vigilante has claimed, in which case I am confirmed town. You are right now voting for someone who is confirmed town. This is not ideal.
It's not really important why Vilonis was targeted, you can ask scum about this after the game.
You need to realize that this is not a game with obvious factions. Just because three people has the same agenda doesn't mean that they're scum. Scum are hiding among us and it's very rare that scum all band up together to get something done, even to save one of their own. Instead they try to blend in while trying to keep good things going for them. Imagine if I hadn't shot sinani206, then we'd spent this day yelling at each other. Imagine if I had gotten lynched, then I would have flipped vigilante and then scum would have gone for you probably and secured a third mislynch.
All that didn't happen. Instead we're going to find another scum and lynch him.
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Well, Sinani's filter doesn't really incriminate anyone.
The only noticeable thing he did was vote for Bluelightz, which would be weird to throw him under the bus when the Bluelightz lynch wasn't being too discussed over.
For now, I'll save my vote.
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Sinensis, pretty much everything you've said up to this point incriminates me, Bluelightz, and prplhz. Now that prplhz is confirmed townie, and I'm fairly in the green, what have you to say?
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##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post.
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On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote: ##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post.
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Well ET it isn't my fault you voted for Timeaisis, killed an innocent person, and in the process hurt our chances. It isn't my fault we haven't been able to make logical lynches toward players yet. I tried with Bluelightz.
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##Vote: Sinensis
Voting for this idiot.
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On February 05 2012 13:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ##Vote: Sinensis
Voting for this idiot.
Good. My vote list wasn't long enough yet. This makes it 100% perfect.
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I meant to reply right away, but I need to go afk for hours... sorry about this. I will try to get back with what Sentinel just said.
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EBWOP before mod catches me: Let my emotions get in the way, sorry about the direct insult.
My vote is because in spite of the overwhelming evidence, until someone else claims vigilante, prplhz is 100% town. Sinensis still thinks prplhz is scum despite this, hence I think his decision is extremely stupid.
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Sentinel, my feelings aren't hurt. It's actually fine bro.
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On February 05 2012 13:53 Sinensis wrote:Sentinel, my feelings aren't hurt. It's actually fine bro.
Glad to hear it what happens in mafia stays in mafia... and to anyone else whose ass I ride this game, we can all be friends after game ends.
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You are number 3 suspect for scum of mine and I would think many people's list. Even if you're not scum, doesn't mean killing you wouldn't tell a lot.
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I have my final defense ready if it comes to that today.
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Because holding out on it is going to help us, right?
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On February 05 2012 14:13 Sinensis wrote: Because holding out on it is going to help us, right?
Precisely.
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In the words of my comrade Timeaisis who you helped execute, "Good to know."
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So it's not a coincidence that both of your names have the same suffix after all?
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It's a coincidence we're both Imperial blood. But I don't expect you to understand that as it's obvious you don't.
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Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more.
If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig.
I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking
Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD)
##Vote: Sinensis
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On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more. If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis
Don't be sorry mon XD XD XD, Just don't be sheep, and also don't waste the time you have when you can post.
Night Actions:
Anyway, our tainted is gone,I think there is a DT because of this.
Scum RB is gone <3
Here's a question to everyone
Should we mass-roleclaim? The RB is gone so scum cant prevent blues from getting checks, if we all agree the medic(if we have one) should hide
My reads on everyone:
EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz
I'm gonna read some more filters so I can conclude who I think is scum
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On February 05 2012 12:01 prplhz wrote: I shot sinani206 in the face.
NO MORE KILLING MY COMMAND CENTER
sorry about that. truly this time...
gg
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On February 05 2012 16:51 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more. If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis Don't be sorry mon XD XD XD, Just don't be sheep, and also don't waste the time you have when you can post.
Night Actions: Anyway, our tainted is gone,I think there is a DT because of this. Scum RB is gone <3 Here's a question to everyone Should we mass-roleclaim? The RB is gone so scum cant prevent blues from getting checks, if we all agree the medic(if we have one) should hide
My reads on everyone: EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]SentinelBaronFel prplhz
I'm gonna read some more filters so I can conclude who I think is scum
1. mass-roleclaim: terrible idea, exposes blues at a stage where there is no need to. how could you even suggest this. You're really fixated on roles this game. You're not talking about anything that is tangibly pertinent. This is a NORMAL Mini Mafia; role discussion is just fluffy fluff at this point. 2. you managed to post a list of green and null tells. good job.
Did everyone forget about this post? It reflects a lot of my thoughts on bluelightz (wishywashy, posts nothing of use), yet it has gotten buried. Bluelightz never responded at all to the accusations, and his previous thought on who was scum (BaronFel), he now has as green? wtf?
Sinensis been drinking some of that crazy juice, but he's not most scummy in thread atm.
##Vote Bluelightz
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On February 05 2012 13:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:53 Sinensis wrote:Sentinel, my feelings aren't hurt. It's actually fine bro. Glad to hear it what happens in mafia stays in mafia... and to anyone else whose ass I ride this game, we can all be friends after game ends.
this pls. I feel like game's been fairly hostile =/
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On February 05 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote: @ET
my choice is BaronFel because,
1).Hardcore Lurking! 2).Sheeping 3).Hardly contributing
Will explain more on this when I can, cause I gotta sleep now.
On February 05 2012 16:51 Bluelightz wrote: My reads on everyone:
EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz
I'm gonna read some more filters so I can conclude who I think is scum
How come this sudden change of mind? I didn´t see a post that could get BaronFel from most suspicious to town. Can you explain this? His vote on Sinensis is rather interesting as it isn´t backed up by good evidence but by an overall impression.
On February 05 2012 16:51 Bluelightz wrote: Should we mass-roleclaim? The RB is gone so scum cant prevent blues from getting checks, if we all agree the medic(if we have one) should hide
This is just stupid. Scum would get a shit ton of information while we can´t conclude much. Scum would just fakeclaim and the possibility of scum getting checked wouldn´t be much higher than now.
Along with This and informationless posts like
On February 04 2012 14:17 Bluelightz wrote:Sorry Time , Hope we can be friends later on >.<
The Lynch: There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me. From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time. Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz it makes me suspicious of you.
##Vote Bluelightz
Also: Why the votes on prplhz? right now I see him as cleared town.
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Gotta sleep, gonna respond when I wake up.
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If someone can explain to me why prplhz is confirmed town without evidencing that he was the one who shot sinani206 I'll change my vote to Bluelightz. I don't see it though.
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Someone shot him. Who says it was you?
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Wait, I thought you typed "Where did sinani206 go?" not "Where did Nisani201 go?"
oops
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On February 06 2012 02:55 Sinensis wrote: If someone can explain to me why prplhz is confirmed town without evidencing that he was the one who shot sinani206 I'll change my vote to Bluelightz. I don't see it though. No one counterclaimed.
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OMFG, today is pretty much a fucking repeat of yesterday. Sinesis does something stupid, Sentinel votes him, then Bluelightz wants us to do something that would benefit scum.
prplhz is confirmed town, so no one should be voting him. I am really tempted to vote for Sentinel right now but I'll wait to see if anything else comes up.
Big FoS: sentinel
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You're finally here, then you leave us with a Big FoS and then you just go away?
Why do you insist that people ask you for an explanation every time you do something before you give it to them?
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It should have been implied, but since you asked nicely I'll give one to you.
I'm suspicious of Sentinel because he's latching on this opportunity to lynch someone based on something that scum would never do but still seems stupid.
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What are your thoughts on the guy that everybody else seems to be after? (Bluelightz)
Since there are already several people on his back and there have been multiple analytic posts about him, I think it looks like he's a likely candidate for the lynch today but you are totally disregarding him while thinking you can just post a Big FoS with a shallow observation.
Is [UoN]Sentinel more likely to be scum than Bluelightz?
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On February 06 2012 03:24 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 02:55 Sinensis wrote: If someone can explain to me why prplhz is confirmed town without evidencing that he was the one who shot sinani206 I'll change my vote to Bluelightz. I don't see it though. No one counterclaimed.
Hmm... that's a pretty good point. Since the 1 shot is used, it is beneficial to reveal. I see now.
##Unvote: prplhz
I said in my post before I would switch if someone could convince me, mderg, convinced me.
##Vote: Bluelightz
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On February 06 2012 04:49 prplhz wrote: Is [UoN]Sentinel more likely to be scum than Bluelightz?
Yes. I really don't think Bluelightz is scum.
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Kay, defesnse kgo!
All your cases seem to be based on some points
1).My switch of reads on BaronFel(ET & mderg's cases) 2).Informaitonless post's 3).the post where I said I was wishy-washy
Now my response
~1 If I just said I think BF is Town from his last post would you go crazy on me for that point?Would you forgive me for a mistake in explaining my reads?
~2 Every post has information,in the post you pointed out mderg, I wanted to tell everyone that I think there was atleast 1 scum voting on Time
~3 Wishy-washyness, I don't neccesarily trust some of my reads and that's hat happened on Sinensis. on Sinensis, I don't really think he's scum now.
@Lurkers the inactivity in this thread is amazing~(meaning STOP LURKING)
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your #1 is pretty meh. BF just said "I'm sorry for lurking" and voted for someone that you think is town. I don't see how that would exonerate him; it seems more like inconsistency to me.
who are you looking at as suspicious, then?
the information you've been discussing isn't useless/fearmongering, but it's blatantly obvious. I'm curious about your opinions on people.
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EBWOP: it seems more like inconsistency on your part to me
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@Bluelightz
You're currently on the chopping block and you don't seem to care very much. I doubt that defense will convince anybody here of anything.
Do I really have to ask who you think should be lynched if not you?
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Hurr durr inactivity.
Anyways, Bluelightz, if you don't want to get lynched I want to see some in-depth analysis of as many accusations as you can, otherwise I'm voting you too.
@Nisani since the "confirmed town" is investing so heavily in my defense, I think that explanation for me being scum is gone.
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@[UoN]Sentinel
I'm considering if I should push your lynch just for all the stupid shit you've said, from "I will now treat you as confirmed town because you helped in my defense" to "the confirmed townie thinks I'm townie so I'm clearly townie".
One premise is a misconception, the other is plain wrong, and the conclusions cannot even be arrived at from the premises.
I don't recall you saying anything remotely this stupid in Hammer Mini Mafia, why are you doing it this game?
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Well it's that time of day again where BaronFel still has his vote on me, maybe because of inactivity, maybe because he thinks I haven't been helpful, maybe because he hates me. Who knows, he's not posting? Also that time of day where Bluelightz posts yet another "meh" response to accusations against him and manages to get nothing done in the process. The people who consistently care are still trying to get SOMEONE to talk by any means necessary.
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I think town is trying its hardest to throw this away, it's very rare that you have a scum dead by day2 and you guys are just derping it away with massive inactivity. I'm not amused at all. Even if I think somebody is scum, I cannot reliably push them before I know everybody else is town.
Everybody is responsible for making their own innocence apparent to everybody else. This is primarily done through activity and transparency. You guys are not doing this in a sufficient degree and it's making me pretty upset.
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And it's also that time of day where due to alcohol, or contributing to analysis I agree with, prplhz isn't on my scum list.
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On February 06 2012 12:15 prplhz wrote: @[UoN]Sentinel
I'm considering if I should push your lynch just for all the stupid shit you've said, from "I will now treat you as confirmed town because you helped in my defense" to "the confirmed townie thinks I'm townie so I'm clearly townie".
One premise is a misconception, the other is plain wrong, and the conclusions cannot even be arrived at from the premises.
I don't recall you saying anything remotely this stupid in Hammer Mini Mafia, why are you doing it this game?
I'm dicking around because it's the weekend, so I don't feel like working. Next morning I might be helpful if you guys bring something nice to the table for me to jump on. And I've been doing a lot of work these two days, so I'm actually contributing to the inactivity, hypocrisy for the win
In 6 hours or so I will wake up and contribute analysis, IF someone actually posts reasons, logic, etc. Because honestly page 17 was 3 guys arguing between each other, and there's at least 3 lurkers on this thread.
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Mafia =/= work to me; don't know how you'll have more time in the weekday when you'd have work/school. You can contribute analysis without other people posting analysis first (which we have, anyways). 20 pages in thread = people have been talking = analysis can be made. That is, if you feel like doing anything.
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Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel
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On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel
Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1.
For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along.
##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
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damn
##Unvote prplhz ##Vote Bluelightz
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On February 06 2012 12:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hurr durr inactivity.
Anyways, Bluelightz, if you don't want to get lynched I want to see some in-depth analysis of as many accusations as you can, otherwise I'm voting you too.
@Nisani since the "confirmed town" is investing so heavily in my defense, I think that explanation for me being scum is gone. Just because he's confirmed mean he's right.
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Guys my posting will be a little random right now till about 2-3 hours from now.
Also @ above instant delurk~
(Im posting in school)
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Bluelightz, could you explain this list for me?
My reads on everyone:
EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz
I've read the three filters of the dead people:
On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Sinani as scum wants someone gone so he'll push whoever has more votes forward to thin out numbers. But then he says the bandwagon was "too fast-forming to be legitimate" on Timeaisis, and switches his vote... to Bluelightz. I find it odd that if a scum player is up for lynching and he's in third place, another scum would bus him like that.
Vilonis was a weird one. He really hated Nisani201 up until he said "Timeaisis is guilty, Sentinel and Bluelightz are innocent" and then switches that to "prplhz and Bluelightz are guilty, TheToast is innocent" with absolutely no logic to transition the two (other than that Toast voted innocent on Timeaisis). But then he flipped town. I think this was just bandwagoning on Timeaisis, since his logic consisted of links to Nisani's posts.
On February 05 2012 08:44 Vilonis wrote:I'm not going to analyse who I think is mafia, I am going to analyse why TheToast is town, why we should belive what he says that huge ass post he just made, and, therefore, why we should lynch Bluelightz and prphlz. First, his consistency. Everyone should read through TheToast's filter. He has been tracking and building up evidence against Bluelightz and prphlz the whole game. He didn't want to lynch TimeasisExample, Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 09:47 TheToast wrote:On February 04 2012 09:15 sinani206 wrote:OK, I don't think you people understand. Get your fucking votes on Sentinel or Timeasis. We can't risk a NL on Day 1. In case you don't understand, This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. THIS MEANS YOU: Bluelightz Vilonis TheToast BaronFel mdergAlso @prplhz: lol Nope, I'm good right where I am. Timeaisis or Sentinel may be scum, but I don't think there is enough evidence against either one. Since you all seem to have rejected the logic of my plan, I hope you all get really lucky. In addition, he has done more helpful analysis than anyone else in this thread, and called out more poor analysis. The point of all of this? TheToast is right. If it is possible, he should be saved. He is the most obvious town right now. We should also keep an eye on Bluelightz and prphlz, and consider them strong lynch candidates.
I think this was bandwagoning as well, since he just pretty much says "Toast is innocent because he didn't lynch a fellow townie, and this is who he thinks is mafia."
And finally, Timeaisis, peace be upon him. He wanted a Bluelightz lynch for his inconsistency, then switched to me, caused a shitstorm, and then before he died voted Bluelightz.
Bluelightz had something going for him like sinani up there. He didn't defend himself when sinani bussed him, but this could be just because someone else (Timeaisis) was already getting the axe so he didn't need to.
And then he suggested mass roleclaim... best case scenario newbie mistake, worst case scenario he's trying to present targets that coule be nice and juicy to scumteam. If the doctor revealed himself, there would be nobody to save him. If other blues revealed themselves, since that was the whole intent of the plan, the doctor can't save them all. He did say the medic could hide, but he couldn't save the vigilante or the veteran or the detective at the same time.
Until then, ##Unvote: Sinensis because
On February 02 2012 12:59 Timeaisis wrote: Well, I mean I want to hear from everyone before I vote. That's all.
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EBWOP: Bluelightz is one vote from lynch, and we still have 16 hours of discussion left.
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@ET
Right now my list looks like this
EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz
Explained Below:
Null - mderg, Sinensis :
~mderg's filter doesnt consist of much, I can't really conclude red or green on him.Though, he easily could be town or scum, can't be sure.
~Sinensis, he has been posting maybe 3 pages of 1-liners, and here's a compilation of some/most of them)
+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2012 07:49 Sinensis wrote: And I'd only switch if we can't, for some reason, get a majority on Sentinel. On February 04 2012 07:49 Sinensis wrote: And I'd only switch if we can't, for some reason, get a majority on Sentinel. On February 04 2012 10:36 Sinensis wrote: You guys are about to kill a townie just because prplhz said "Well it's obviously Sentinel or Timeaisis"
This is so obvious. On February 04 2012 10:40 Sinensis wrote: Imbeciles. On February 04 2012 11:25 Sinensis wrote: No one asked you scum. On February 04 2012 08:03 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote: Okay, what do you think about my refutation of your argument that Timeaisis isn't scum because GMarshal wouldn't put first gamers on the scum team?
Maybe this will work, even though I doubt it ...
Are the teams balanced or are they RNG'd? I agree with that refutation, that game you posted wasn't even that long ago. On February 04 2012 11:29 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 04 2012 11:25 Sinensis wrote: No one asked you scum. That's not very nice! You, prplhz, and Bluelightz are dead once Time turns town. On February 04 2012 11:31 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:30 sinani206 wrote: Timeaisis bandwagon was way too fast-forming to be legitimate. ##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: Bluelightz You need to bold that. I made the same mistake. On February 04 2012 11:32 Sinensis wrote:Sorry Deadline is just CLOSE and people need to WAKE UP On February 04 2012 11:35 Sinensis wrote: Bet you're happy we don't have active players, aren't you scum? On February 04 2012 11:42 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:40 prplhz wrote: sinani206:
Has vote on [UoN]Sentinel Makes a shallow observation of arguable correctness indicating that Timeaisis might be innocent Proceeds to vote Bluelightz Never provides arguments or comments on cases When your motives are self preservation as a town member, arguments or comments on cases are pretty intuitive. On February 04 2012 12:14 Sinensis wrote: Looks like my primary suspects haven't changed. On February 05 2012 13:46 Sinensis wrote: I meant to reply right away, but I need to go afk for hours... sorry about this. I will try to get back with what Sentinel just said. On February 05 2012 13:53 Sinensis wrote:Sentinel, my feelings aren't hurt. It's actually fine bro. On February 05 2012 14:02 Sinensis wrote: You are number 3 suspect for scum of mine and I would think many people's list. Even if you're not scum, doesn't mean killing you wouldn't tell a lot. On February 05 2012 14:13 Sinensis wrote: Because holding out on it is going to help us, right? On February 05 2012 14:16 Sinensis wrote: In the words of my comrade Timeaisis who you helped execute, "Good to know."
His voting, he never ever,ever has made a proper case on anyone he votes, example
On February 06 2012 05:06 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 03:24 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 02:55 Sinensis wrote: If someone can explain to me why prplhz is confirmed town without evidencing that he was the one who shot sinani206 I'll change my vote to Bluelightz. I don't see it though. No one counterclaimed. Hmm... that's a pretty good point. Since the 1 shot is used, it is beneficial to reveal. I see now. ##Unvote: prplhzI said in my post before I would switch if someone could convince me, mderg, convinced me. ##Vote: Bluelightz
he say's mderg convinvnce me, but then he just straight up votes me.
Townies:
prplhz - His vigi claim makes me believe he's town
all others - Due to their posting makes me think they are town
##Vote: Sinensis
Reasons'above
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Also, will make my thoughts on the people that are voting me later.
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Alright Bluelightz, first you say BaronFel is the obvious choice. BaronFel hasn't even responded to that accusation in the time it's taken you to make these two lists, one after the other:
EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz
EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]Sentinel BaronFel prplhz
First I'm good and BaronFel is bad, now you switched it? That aside... these lists are completely different? This is exactly why people are voting for you.
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EBWOP: Wait... it was more like first you thought BaronFel was scum, THEN you made a list where BaronFel and me are town (?), THEN you made a list were only BarenFel is town and now I'm scum because I post too many one liners.
Help me understand what happened?
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Okay,
As of BaronFel's last post I think he's town
You know that contrbuting as little stuff as possible to town is scummy amiright?
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This post:
On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more. If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis
Convinced you he's town? After you accused him of lurking, sheeping, and hardly contributing. Was that post also the one that convinced you I was Chaos, by chance?
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That post didnt make me vote you, your lack of contributions did & also that you never bothered to make a case as to who you we're voting (against me),also how BaronFel acts convinced me that he was town.
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Also
##FoS:Sinensis
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##Unvote: Sinensis
I guess, I'm gonna wait out on people's opinion of this before voting, also Sinensis with the time you have please contribute more ty
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On February 06 2012 22:20 Bluelightz wrote: Also
##FoS:Sinensis
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##Unvote: Sinensis
I guess, I'm gonna wait out on people's opinion of this before voting, also Sinensis with the time you have please contribute more ty
You are 1 vote from lynch, I'm currently voting for you, and I'm asking you questions. How would you prefer I contribute? I could string together one of your overly spaced out, confusing, "wishy-washy", posts I guess but that seems to only get you voted on so I'm going to leave that stuff to you.
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@Sinensis Just do whatever you think might help town win the game.
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On February 06 2012 09:36 Bluelightz wrote: Kay, defesnse kgo!
All your cases seem to be based on some points
1).My switch of reads on BaronFel(ET & mderg's cases) 2).Informaitonless post's 3).the post where I said I was wishy-washy
Now my response
~1 If I just said I think BF is Town from his last post would you go crazy on me for that point?Would you forgive me for a mistake in explaining my reads?
~2 Every post has information,in the post you pointed out mderg, I wanted to tell everyone that I think there was atleast 1 scum voting on Time
~3 Wishy-washyness, I don't neccesarily trust some of my reads and that's hat happened on Sinensis. on Sinensis, I don't really think he's scum now.
@Lurkers the inactivity in this thread is amazing~(meaning STOP LURKING) 1 Everyone can make mistakes, nothing tragic. But your change of reads was ridiculous, there was nothing that could possibly be able change your mind. 2 Stating the obvious is not information IMO 3 Not trusting your reads is strange. How do you get these reads, if you don´t trust them yourself? Your reads could be wrong but if the reasons are good, it´s (almost) fine.
On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose?
On February 06 2012 19:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Bluelightz had something going for him like sinani up there. He didn't defend himself when sinani bussed him, but this could be just because someone else (Timeaisis) was already getting the axe so he didn't need to.
This could very well be a attempt at distancing as there wasn´t a real threat to get lynched.
On February 06 2012 20:59 Bluelightz wrote:
Null - mderg, Sinensis :
~mderg's filter doesnt consist of much, I can't really conclude red or green on him.Though, he easily could be town or scum, can't be sure.
Interesting... it´s true that I don´t have that many posts but nearly all of my post had (IMO good) content. I´m also quite sure that I contributed to the game better than you. Since you´ve been attacking me more or less for the whole game (even before I made my first post) I think you are too fixated on me. It seems to me like you´re scared of me or something like that. Coincidence that I was role blocked last night? Maybe... but it makes my suspicion even stronger.
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Why is no one listening to me when I say that Bluelightz is not the scummiest around? Am I not confirmed town? Did I not just prove that I'm in touch with this game by shooting a scum day1? Instead you're all still just tunneling him and everybody tunneling one guy isn't a good town environment.
Imagine we decide to lynch Bluelightz and he flips town. Then what?
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On February 06 2012 23:36 prplhz wrote: Why is no one listening to me when I say that Bluelightz is not the scummiest around? Am I not confirmed town? Did I not just prove that I'm in touch with this game by shooting a scum day1? Instead you're all still just tunneling him and everybody tunneling one guy isn't a good town environment.
Imagine we decide to lynch Bluelightz and he flips town. Then what?
When did you say this? Who would you rather lynch?
And for someone who is so "in touch" with this game, you sure as hell managed to get a townie lynched day one. Even argued passionately to do so. Don't act like you are the best Mafia player in the world, you screwd up big on that one.
If he does flip town, I don't see how it's a big deal, he hasn't been helping town in any way at all. He keeps making long worthless posts that don't lead to anything or offer anything useful. I would be very, very surprised if he wasn't scum.
On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose?
Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post:
"I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote"
With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus.
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On February 06 2012 23:57 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus. If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true.
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On February 07 2012 00:16 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 23:57 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus. If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true.
Do you have a specific accusation to make? Or are you just going to keep slinging thinly veiled snarky comments? Since you have a whole 18 posts since the start of the game, I really don't see how you are in a position to say anything about my level of contribution to this game.
Make your accusation know, or let us move on with hunting the heretics among us.
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On February 07 2012 00:27 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 00:16 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 23:57 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus. If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true. Do you have a specific accusation to make? Or are you just going to keep slinging thinly veiled snarky comments? Since you have a whole 18 posts since the start of the game, I really don't see how you are in a position to say anything about my level of contribution to this game. Make your accusation know, or let us move on with hunting the heretics among us. There is no accusation. I just said that was strange and said so. Why shouldn´t I?
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On February 07 2012 00:30 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 00:27 TheToast wrote:On February 07 2012 00:16 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 23:57 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus. If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true. Do you have a specific accusation to make? Or are you just going to keep slinging thinly veiled snarky comments? Since you have a whole 18 posts since the start of the game, I really don't see how you are in a position to say anything about my level of contribution to this game. Make your accusation know, or let us move on with hunting the heretics among us. There is no accusation. I just thought that was strange and said so. Why shouldn´t I?
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On February 07 2012 00:30 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 00:27 TheToast wrote:On February 07 2012 00:16 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 23:57 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus. If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true. Do you have a specific accusation to make? Or are you just going to keep slinging thinly veiled snarky comments? Since you have a whole 18 posts since the start of the game, I really don't see how you are in a position to say anything about my level of contribution to this game. Make your accusation know, or let us move on with hunting the heretics among us. There is no accusation. I just thought that was strange and said so. Why shouldn´t I?
Because your muddying the waters. We have now spent half a page discussing your "comment"; directing attention away from important things like finding and lynching the servents of the warps spawn.
If you aren't making a serious accusation, there's no need to make those types of comments. Just makes it easier for Mafia to divert the attention of the town.
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On February 07 2012 00:36 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 00:30 mderg wrote:On February 07 2012 00:27 TheToast wrote:On February 07 2012 00:16 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 23:57 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 23:23 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 13:53 TheToast wrote:On February 06 2012 13:17 prplhz wrote: Okay, there are other people I'm more worried about than Bluelightz.
If you don't think there's enough content in the thread to analyse then generate something.
List of people who have done just about nothing so far day2: TheToast BaronFel Don't start making lists, really. I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote. I also should point out that I wrote more than about anyone else for night 1. For the moment the evidence against you seems to have come up empty, so I will move my vote to where it should have been all along. ##Unvote prphlz ##Vote Bluelightz
Strange how you come out directly after being summoned... could it be that you´re reading the whole time but not contributing on purpose? Hmmm could be. Especially since I said that in my post: "I was waiting on a possible counter claim vigilante, also thought it might be useful to see who else would stay on board with the prphlz vote" With investigative skills as amazing as these, I'm shocked you haven't yet been recruited into the Ordo Hereticus. If you say that it must be true. Wait... could it possibly be that you lied? In a game that revolves about lies from scum I would have never imagined this possibility. I´ve never heard about someone lying in Mafia, so everything you say has to be true. Do you have a specific accusation to make? Or are you just going to keep slinging thinly veiled snarky comments? Since you have a whole 18 posts since the start of the game, I really don't see how you are in a position to say anything about my level of contribution to this game. Make your accusation know, or let us move on with hunting the heretics among us. There is no accusation. I just thought that was strange and said so. Why shouldn´t I? Because your muddying the waters. We have now spent half a page discussing your "comment"; directing attention away from important things like finding and lynching the servents of the warps spawn. If you aren't making a serious accusation, there's no need to make those types of comments. Just makes it easier for Mafia to divert the attention of the town. So basically you´re saying that I shouldn´t mention anything I find, if I´m not making an accusation? I really don´t like that attitude!
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Announcement: I will be placing my vote as a placeholder on a no-lynch because I have some issues with time, If i can find a worthy candidate for lynching I will switch.Please understand, Thank you.
##Vote: No-Lynch
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You should stop being bitchy TheToast. I'm not acting like I'm the best player in the world, I'm acting like I'm confirmed town who shot scum day1. Your bitching does nothing town favored, it's good for town to have someone who is confirmed town and in touch with the game because it puts a ton of pressure on scum every time they have to write a post.
Why I said that Bluelightz isn't the scummiest around? So that you guys will not just go "Meh, Lets just lynch Bluelightz". There are two scum left and this is a terrible town environment for doing scum hunting. Also, it is true, I don't think Bluelightz is the scummiest around.
I didn't have as much time day1 as I did night1 because I was still alive in Hammer Mini Mafia, or I would have had more time to read the game and push sinani206 for killing my command center. The time I had available was drained by arguing in favor of the best day1 lynch there was. During night1 I realized that I had to shoot to confirm my innocence or day2 (and likely day3) would be a huge mess and scum probably would end up winning. And then I shot sinani206 because he killed my command center. I also faintly remember one of his carriers injuring some of my marines.
The biggest reason for posting in any mafia thread for anyone at any point in any game is to make their own innocence readily apparent to everybody else. I don't have to do that because I'm confirmed town so I don't post as much as I did before, or in the same way. Since I'm obviously in touch with this game, scum is going to feel a lot more pressured if I say "Bluelightz aside, I have a good idea who is scum, you guys should try to find him too, then you can confirm your innocence to everybody else too" than if I say "Yea, lets just lynch Bluelightz", especially if Bluelightz is actually town.
Because I'm confirmed town I have the right to be a lot less transparent because the reason for transparency in the first place is to convince everybody else of your innocence and I don't have to do that because I'm confirmed town. I'll still try to promote a good town environment though by trying to get you guys to do something other than just tunneling the same guy and posting fluff. If this comes off as "he thinks he's the best player in the world" to you, then cool. That's kinda what I was trying to come off as to scum. Whether or not I truly believe in it is irrelevant to this game.
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Okay I've become pretty sure that Bluelightz is town and I'll oppose that lynch. We should lynch Sinensis instead because I think he's scum.
##Vote: Sinensis
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On February 07 2012 00:50 prplhz wrote: Why I said that Bluelightz isn't the scummiest around? So that you guys will not just go "Meh, Lets just lynch Bluelightz". There are two scum left and this is a terrible town environment for doing scum hunting. Also, it is true, I don't think Bluelightz is the scummiest around.
You mean so we don't have a repeat of Day 1? I did actually write an argument with quotes and everything against Bluelightz. His discourse day 2 has not done anything to even remotely clear him either. As I said, even on the very slim chance that he flips town, I don't see how losing him will hurt us in terms of being able to effectively hunt scum.
Because I'm confirmed town I have the right to be a lot less transparent because the reason for transparency in the first place is to convince everybody else of your innocence and I don't have to do that because I'm confirmed town. I'll still try to promote a good town environment though by trying to get you guys to do something other than just tunneling the same guy and posting fluff. If this comes off as "he thinks he's the best player in the world" to you, then cool. That's kinda what I was trying to come off as to scum. Whether or not I truly believe in it is irrelevant to this game.
Just because you are confirmed town doesn't mean you are right. You still have to back your arguments against people with evidence and analysis. What I'm seeing is a lot of you just calling people out on a whim, that's what got Time killed Day 1. If you have more time now, great, write up a nice long analysis of whoever you think is the "scummiest" so we can actually evaluate your position.
I don't see how this makes me "bitchy". But if you are confirmed town, then you are doing a great job of helping scum by fomenting infighting.
On February 07 2012 01:01 prplhz wrote: Okay I've become pretty sure that Bluelightz is town and I'll oppose that lynch. We should lynch Sinensis instead because I think he's scum.
##Vote: Sinensis
Yeah, see this is not helping town. Quotes? Analysis? Rebuttle to my argument against Bluelightz?
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On February 07 2012 01:06 Bluelightz wrote: BaronFel has been inactive for more then 24 hours.
Last post: February 05 2012 14:52
This post: February 07 2012 01:05(as of posting)
Did you have a point? Or are you just going to keep throwing out pointless statistics?
I can do that too.
Bluelightz is: mafia.
Times he has attempted to defend himself: 0
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On February 07 2012 01:03 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 00:50 prplhz wrote: Why I said that Bluelightz isn't the scummiest around? So that you guys will not just go "Meh, Lets just lynch Bluelightz". There are two scum left and this is a terrible town environment for doing scum hunting. Also, it is true, I don't think Bluelightz is the scummiest around.
You mean so we don't have a repeat of Day 1? I did actually write an argument with quotes and everything against Bluelightz. His discourse day 2 has not done anything to even remotely clear him either. As I said, even on the very slim chance that he flips town, I don't see how losing him will hurt us in terms of being able to effectively hunt scum. Show nested quote + Because I'm confirmed town I have the right to be a lot less transparent because the reason for transparency in the first place is to convince everybody else of your innocence and I don't have to do that because I'm confirmed town. I'll still try to promote a good town environment though by trying to get you guys to do something other than just tunneling the same guy and posting fluff. If this comes off as "he thinks he's the best player in the world" to you, then cool. That's kinda what I was trying to come off as to scum. Whether or not I truly believe in it is irrelevant to this game.
Just because you are confirmed town doesn't mean you are right. You still have to back your arguments against people with evidence and analysis. What I'm seeing is a lot of you just calling people out on a whim, that's what got Time killed Day 1. If you have more time now, great, write up a nice long analysis of whoever you think is the "scummiest" so we can actually evaluate your position. I don't see how this makes me "bitchy". But if you are confirmed town, then you are doing a great job of helping scum by fomenting infighting.
Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 01:01 prplhz wrote: Okay I've become pretty sure that Bluelightz is town and I'll oppose that lynch. We should lynch Sinensis instead because I think he's scum.
##Vote: Sinensis Yeah, see this is not helping town. Quotes? Analysis? Rebuttle to my argument against Bluelightz? This time I have to agree with you...
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Well Bluelightz analysis is like "he's fluffing" but he's always fluffing and I don't see anything different from how he's acted in this game compared to Purgatory. I don't see why a scum who is one down day2 would just resign like he's doing. He could push ANYBODY and maybe have a chance to get them lynched, he doesn't even have to make a real case just some of the usual fluff and then he would have a chance to get somebody else lynched but he's doing absolutely nothing. Also, nobody is defending him at all which is always a little unsettling. He isn't indefensible at all.
Sinensis, well first thing I noticed was this post:
On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote: ##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post. Look at how pissed off he is. He is really angry here. I bet when the rest of you saw the day post you expected to see a green, maybe a blue guy who had been offed by scum. But I think it was to everybody's surprise when there was also a red guy there. I would expect every townie to act a little surprised and also be happy about it but Sinensis is so pissed off here right after the day post. I think emotion is hard to fake for scum, it is easy to constantly remind yourself "I am town, I am town, I am town" but to also FEEL like townies feel must be impossible. I think he was pissed because one of his buddies was killed. I also think he's a lot better than how he plays, he's displayed some ability at logic but then he refused to realize that I was confirmed town even when it was very obvious. He tried to explain it away after mderg explained it to him, but I don't think that's good enough.
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I was actually heavily suspecting Sinesis early on, but as I noted Here there were a few small things I could not account for:
Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies.
Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet.
As hard as I tried I could not resolve these posts into any theory in which Sinesis was scum. A Mafia player would know that Mafia who they all are from the beginning of the game. Sure, it could be that he is a really super good scum player, but given the stupid nonsense he was spewing on page 5 does anyone really believe that? I find it hard to believe that a scum player would utilize a plan where they draw tons of attention to themselves by advocating heavy handed voting tactics which in turn starts a bandwagon against them; all relying on someone to discover some obscure clues they dropped early in the game to clear themselves. I don't buy this.
And believe me, I was pretty convinced of Sinesis's guilt before I saw those quotes and tried as hard as I could to fit them into my theory. I could not find a way to do so that made any sense.
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On February 07 2012 01:30 prplhz wrote:Well Bluelightz analysis is like "he's fluffing" but he's always fluffing and I don't see anything different from how he's acted in this game compared to Purgatory. I don't see why a scum who is one down day2 would just resign like he's doing. He could push ANYBODY and maybe have a chance to get them lynched, he doesn't even have to make a real case just some of the usual fluff and then he would have a chance to get somebody else lynched but he's doing absolutely nothing. Also, nobody is defending him at all which is always a little unsettling. He isn't indefensible at all. Sinensis, well first thing I noticed was this post: Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote: ##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post. Look at how pissed off he is. He is really angry here. I bet when the rest of you saw the day post you expected to see a green, maybe a blue guy who had been offed by scum. But I think it was to everybody's surprise when there was also a red guy there. I would expect every townie to act a little surprised and also be happy about it but Sinensis is so pissed off here right after the day post. I think emotion is hard to fake for scum, it is easy to constantly remind yourself "I am town, I am town, I am town" but to also FEEL like townies feel must be impossible. I think he was pissed because one of his buddies was killed. I also think he's a lot better than how he plays, he's displayed some ability at logic but then he refused to realize that I was confirmed town even when it was very obvious. He tried to explain it away after mderg explained it to him, but I don't think that's good enough. I haven´t seen Bluelightz in other games but that makes sense. The no defence argument is a bit WIFOM but viable. I´ll take my vote away from Bluelightz for now but I don´t consider him cleared.
##Unvote: Bluelightz
About Sinensis: If he really is scum, he´s really good at looking too scummy to be scum
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The no defense argument isn't WIFOM at all considering the situation. If he is scum he can just say one name. Then if this person is lynched and he's town, then cool, Bluelightz survived for another day while somebody else didn't. There are 7 townies and 1 scum, he can easily avoid mentioning his buddy and even if he does that will buy him town credit. This is a "nothing-to-lose" situation for scum, but town can still lose something by pointing other people in the direction of other townies. Not that I think that Bluelightz is playing stellar town play, I just don't think he's scum.
I think his play looks a lot like Purgatory, and he's been posting lists in both games. That's not very important though because it's quite easy to think "I need to post lists because that's what I do as town". Very easy to fake, it's more his overall behavior.
I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. What he said was very easy to fake. You'll also notice that he actually played a game before in which he was scum so he should definitely know stuff like that. Also he could read the OP and know stuff like that. His behavior in this game is easy to just classify as "newbie" but that doesn't mean he's not scum and when I read his filter it comes off to me more as "terrorist" anyway.
"Too scummy to be scum"? Look at sinani206's filter. People thought sinani206 wasn't contributing because sinani206 was town and he was "waiting for day2" or something crazy like that. Isn't that the most ludicrous argument ever? You lynch scummy people, you don't just WIFOM yourself into thinking "Well, scummy people needs to appear townie, and townie people aren't afraid to appear scummy so lets lynch people who appear townie and leave people who appear scummy.". That's plain crazy.
You guys need to start voting for Sinensis now.
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On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too.
I don't disagree with this.
However you have yet to respond to the issue that I have brought up twice now about the early game posts he made. Unless you can come up with a very good explanation of how those integrate with your theory of him being scum, I am not moving my vote.
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On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: The no defense argument isn't WIFOM at all considering the situation. If he is scum he can just say one name. Then if this person is lynched and he's town, then cool, Bluelightz survived for another day while somebody else didn't. There are 7 townies and 1 scum, he can easily avoid mentioning his buddy and even if he does that will buy him town credit. This is a "nothing-to-lose" situation for scum, but town can still lose something by pointing other people in the direction of other townies. Not that I think that Bluelightz is playing stellar town play, I just don't think he's scum. I doubt he could get anybody else lynched that easy.
On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: I think his play looks a lot like Purgatory, and he's been posting lists in both games. That's not very important though because it's quite easy to think "I need to post lists because that's what I do as town". Very easy to fake, it's more his overall behavior. I agree.
On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. What he said was very easy to fake. You'll also notice that he actually played a game before in which he was scum so he should definitely know stuff like that. Also he could read the OP and know stuff like that. His behavior in this game is easy to just classify as "newbie" but that doesn't mean he's not scum and when I read his filter it comes off to me more as "terrorist" anyway. The "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie" mentality is indeed not good. In a small game like this every dead townie can be crucial.
On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: "Too scummy to be scum"? Look at sinani206's filter. People thought sinani206 wasn't contributing because sinani206 was town and he was "waiting for day2" or something crazy like that. Isn't that the most ludicrous argument ever? You lynch scummy people, you don't just WIFOM yourself into thinking "Well, scummy people needs to appear townie, and townie people aren't afraid to appear scummy so lets lynch people who appear townie and leave people who appear scummy.". That's plain crazy. I never thought he was town, he was just difficult to read, so I didn´t want to lynch him on day 1.
On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: You guys need to start voting for Sinensis now. I don´t like your attitude... You´re like: "I´m cleared townie and killed a scum. There´s no way I can be wrong" I don´t think this affects my gameplay that much but maybe we would follow your suspicions more, if you wouldn´t say that you´re definitely right every second post.
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On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: The no defense argument isn't WIFOM at all considering the situation. If he is scum he can just say one name. Then if this person is lynched and he's town, then cool, Bluelightz survived for another day while somebody else didn't.
Wait... explain this please? I'm not visualizing how this works.
There are 7 townies and 1 scum, he can easily avoid mentioning his buddy and even if he does that will buy him town credit. This is a "nothing-to-lose" situation for scum, but town can still lose something by pointing other people in the direction of other townies. Not that I think that Bluelightz is playing stellar town play, I just don't think he's scum.
I think his play looks a lot like Purgatory, and he's been posting lists in both games. That's not very important though because it's quite easy to think "I need to post lists because that's what I do as town". Very easy to fake, it's more his overall behavior. His filter in Purgatory had nine pages. I saw #5 had lots of the list-posts he makes here, and #4? and #7 had the one liners. So he did a little of both.
I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. What he said was very easy to fake. You'll also notice that he actually played a game before in which he was scum so he should definitely know stuff like that. Also he could read the OP and know stuff like that. His behavior in this game is easy to just classify as "newbie" but that doesn't mean he's not scum and when I read his filter it comes off to me more as "terrorist" anyway.
"Too scummy to be scum"? Look at sinani206's filter. People thought sinani206 wasn't contributing because sinani206 was town and he was "waiting for day2" or something crazy like that. Isn't that the most ludicrous argument ever? You lynch scummy people, you don't just WIFOM yourself into thinking "Well, scummy people needs to appear townie, and townie people aren't afraid to appear scummy so lets lynch people who appear townie and leave people who appear scummy.". That's plain crazy.
All I can say is that sinani was unexpected scum, but I can't really address this in detail since I have to leave now.
You guys need to start voting for Sinensis now.
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Whatever. Bluelightz even chose to go for Sinensis who most people had written off as town (for reasons I don't understand) instead he could more realistically have gone for BaronFel or Nisani201 who have done little of value this game but he went for Sinensis, and then even backed off when he concluded that Sinensis was probably town. Scum in that situation don't do that, they just pick the easiest lynch besides themselves and start going for him because they have nothing to lose.
Sinensis defense right now is that he said in the beginning of the game that scum can't talk to each other. I'm giving you unwifomable evidence: townies don't get all pissed off when scum unexpectedly dies. Sinensis got pissed off. Sinensis has done nothing this game but pus scum agenda and push his newbie act to the limit.
I'm pretty sure Bluelightz isn't scum and I'm pretty sure that Sinensis is scum. If you think I'm less likely to be right because I think I'm right then I haven't a clue.
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Yes, Bluelightz did back off, then voted for him again, then backed off again. At this point there are only like 4 people left in this game that Bluelightz has not at some point voted to lynch. Now he wants to call a no-lynch.
I don't think Sinesis got too terribly pissed off after Night 1. Even if he did, your arguing that basically he is a terrible scum who can't help but obviously show how much of a scum he is. Terrible scum players don't leave deeply hidden criptic clues behind that could potentially clear them of being scum. This is a straw man argument if I've ever seen one.
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On February 07 2012 04:48 prplhz wrote: I'm pretty sure Bluelightz isn't scum and I'm pretty sure that Sinensis is scum. If you think I'm less likely to be right because I think I'm right then I haven't a clue. That´s not what I meant. It´s more that you sound less convincing, when you say that everyone else is wrong and you are right (and use you killing scum as a reason). I cannot know whether you´re right or wrong as it is now. I´m pretty sure that either Sinensis or Bluelightz is scum, though. And I´m not sure as there are reasons to vote for both.
Right now I´m waiting for Sinensis´defense... if it isn´t convincing, I´ll vote for him.
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On February 07 2012 05:22 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 04:48 prplhz wrote: I'm pretty sure Bluelightz isn't scum and I'm pretty sure that Sinensis is scum. If you think I'm less likely to be right because I think I'm right then I haven't a clue. That´s not what I meant. It´s more that you sound less convincing, when you say that everyone else is wrong and you are right (and use you killing scum as a reason). I cannot know whether you´re right or wrong as it is now. I´m pretty sure that either Sinensis or Bluelightz is scum, though. And I´m not sure as there are reasons to vote for both. Right now I´m waiting for Sinensis´defense... if it isn´t convincing, I´ll vote for him.
And bluelightz defense was convincing?
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On February 07 2012 05:45 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 05:22 mderg wrote:On February 07 2012 04:48 prplhz wrote: I'm pretty sure Bluelightz isn't scum and I'm pretty sure that Sinensis is scum. If you think I'm less likely to be right because I think I'm right then I haven't a clue. That´s not what I meant. It´s more that you sound less convincing, when you say that everyone else is wrong and you are right (and use you killing scum as a reason). I cannot know whether you´re right or wrong as it is now. I´m pretty sure that either Sinensis or Bluelightz is scum, though. And I´m not sure as there are reasons to vote for both. Right now I´m waiting for Sinensis´defense... if it isn´t convincing, I´ll vote for him. And bluelightz defense was convincing? No, but Sinensis´post were even more stupid than his.
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Alright, I have decided that I will vote Sentinel. I understand why people don't like Sinesis, but I just can't imagine him being scum.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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something I've been pondering.
Bluelightz hasn't contributed much, and hasn't been able to defend himself well. It is within reason to say that he has not had good town play.
However, has he been actively pushing scum favored agendas? He didn't push the timeaisis train forward. His main suspect that day, mderg, he accused in a fairly standard manner. He hasn't been actively hurting town atmosphere; lists can be spammy, but he hasn't been spamming. The more I think about it, the more I feel null on him. Not pro-town, not anti-town per se.
The lists were a red flag for me, but if you look at his purgatory feed it's FULL of lists. Seriously Toast, reread it... I'm thinking you just skimmed the feed without fully analyzing it. Though bringing it to my attention was good; meta works well here.
Looking back at Day 1, a lot of people grouped prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel together as a scum team. And now that prplhz is all but guaranteed town, Bluelightz still holds the same level of high suspicion? Werid shit. I'm going to analyze the dead peoples' feeds in a bit.
##Unvote Bluelightz
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I'm not too fond of either Sinensis or Bluelightz at this point, but I don't think Sinensis will have enough momentum to get lynched at this point.
##Vote: Bluelightz I'm sorry, man. For the glory of the emperor.
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Woops forgot the colon. I'll be back before deadline. Placeholder vote in case my brain explodes.
##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: No Lynch
inb4 he's trying to cause a no lynch
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On February 07 2012 06:12 EchelonTee wrote: Woops forgot the colon. I'll be back before deadline. Placeholder vote in case my brain explodes.
##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: No Lynch
inb4 he's trying to cause a no lynch
At this point it doesn't look like anyone is going to have to try to make that happen.
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You the last scum [UoN]Sentinel?
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prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list.
We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier?
I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly.
On February 04 2012 11:55 Sinensis wrote: If I'm a townie (And TheToast is a townie, which I think he is) then with the information we have I'm in a unique position to be able verify Timeaisis's innocence based on voting patterns.
I don't know what you think you're talking about. Maybe you can start a bandwagon lynch on me later just like you did with Timeaisis? I don't get it.
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I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today.
##Vote: Sinensis
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BaronFel, followed by Bluelightz switching his vote vote several times on me, went after me. And BaronFel is still after me even when I try to get him talk.
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On February 07 2012 07:02 Sinensis wrote:prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list. We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier? I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly. Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:55 Sinensis wrote: If I'm a townie (And TheToast is a townie, which I think he is) then with the information we have I'm in a unique position to be able verify Timeaisis's innocence based on voting patterns.
I don't know what you think you're talking about. Maybe you can start a bandwagon lynch on me later just like you did with Timeaisis? I don't get it.
The ultimatum was started by sinani206 before prp, no?
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On February 07 2012 06:34 prplhz wrote: You the last scum [UoN]Sentinel?
I wish I were. Maybe then I could have some fun.
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On February 04 2012 04:06 prplhz wrote: EchelonTee is making a lot of sense. TheToast isn't.
##Unvote: Sinensis ##Vote: Timeasis
Since lynch is tonight everybody should vote Timeasis so we can lynch scum.
On February 04 2012 09:15 sinani206 wrote:OK, I don't think you people understand. Get your fucking votes on Sentinel or Timeasis. We can't risk a NL on Day 1. In case you don't understand, Show nested quote +This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. THIS MEANS YOU: Bluelightz Vilonis TheToast BaronFel mdergAlso @prplhz: lol
Look at the times, nope.
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prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis"
It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem:
On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
omg Sentinel do I seriously have to do everything for you or do you just enjoy making me work?
On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:@EchelonTee [UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it.
@Sinensis Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident. I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it. What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand.
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these.
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EBWOP: And also, prplhz wasn't the only one that got yelled at by me. I called all of you imbeciles for killing Timeaisis, and I'm sorry about that you're all probably very intelligent and not imbeciles, but there is another example of emotions getting the best of me when scum did something right and I felt like I could have stopped it with the knowledge I had, but couldn't.
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On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Yeah Sinesis is right, Timeaisis was basically lynched by ET and prphlz. ET's analysis was terrible and prphlz keep trying to railroad everyone into it.
On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote: I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today.
##Vote: Sinensis
Omg, we've been over this already.
Sinani's vote was actually on Sentinel for most of day 1. Then Sinani changed his vote to Bluelightz with just a few minutes left in the game, well after 8 votes were already on Time. There was literally no chance of Sinani's vote causing Bluelightz to get lynched.
(which in retrospect should have been a signal that Sinani was not playing for town but I admit I missed it...)
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On February 07 2012 07:31 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
omg Sentinel do I seriously have to do everything for you or do you just enjoy making me work? Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:@EchelonTee [UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it.
@Sinensis Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident. I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it. What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand.
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these.
04:54 vs. 06:00. Sinani still came first -__-
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FoS: BaronFel
Bluelightz and EchelonTee where are your votes?
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sigh sinensis...
On February 07 2012 08:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:31 Sinensis wrote:On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
omg Sentinel do I seriously have to do everything for you or do you just enjoy making me work? On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:@EchelonTee [UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it.
@Sinensis Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident. I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it. What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand.
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these. 04:54 vs. 06:00. Sinani still came first -__-
You're so stubborn that you don't realize you're wrong when the time stamps are clearly visible. Why are you STILL trying to discredit prplhz?? I don't give a shit if he's a vet or not. he SHOT sinani. despite all you people reading him as town. wtf have you done all game, besides insult people.
Oh, is this supposed to be your master stroke?
On February 07 2012 07:02 Sinensis wrote:prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list. 1We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier? I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly. 2Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:55 Sinensis wrote: If I'm a townie (And TheToast is a townie, which I think he is) then with the information we have I'm in a unique position to be able verify Timeaisis's innocence based on voting patterns.
I don't know what you think you're talking about. Maybe you can start a bandwagon lynch on me later just like you did with Timeaisis? I don't get it.
1. The problem with gambits such as this, is that by doing a SUPER SCUMMY move, you make TOWN people suspicious of you. It never occurred to you that a townie might start the movement on you? This paragraph here is just so wtf. Are you saying that mderg is added to your "probably town list", just because he told you prplhz can't be mafia because of no CC?? I stated that before mderg. PRPLHZ stated that before mderg. It took a one liner from mderg to convince you? This just reeks of "try to make prplhz look bad at any cost".
2.I noticed this the first time you said it; didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. How can you CONFIRM anyone's innocence? It's D1, no flips, no night actions, nothing. You can't possibly use voting analysis at that state of the game. Look at sinani; you sure were convinced he was town because he voted for Blue, remember?
I said I would be back before deadline. Placeholder vote is placeholder vote. Since you're so anxious,
##Vote: Sinensis
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##Unvote: No Lynch ##Vote: Sinensis
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Changing vote to Sinensis, he had time to contrbute at least a little bit, but nooooo.
##Unvote: No Lynch ##Vote: Sinensis
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I really don't think bluelightz is scum. I thought he's done a pretty decent job defending himself, regardless of if he considers me scum or townie.
I still stand my Sinensis vote. Echelon just posted about one of his posts which I agree with (won't completely repost, but no one really knows who townie is d1). But further, he seems to act as though he has authority to call out anyone and everyone (he's called out a lot of people, prplhz, bluelightz, me, sentinel, etc) since he survived day1.
Maybe I'm wrong (I'm only really sure of Vilonis and Timeaisis xD), but I still don't see how Sinensis really helps us either way.
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Gotta go won't be back fir the deadline :|
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On February 07 2012 08:14 Sinensis wrote: FoS: BaronFel
wtf is this?
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About 2 hours left, Sinensis currently to be lynched!
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Night 2
The Daemon has many forms. You must know them all. You must tell the Daemon from his disguise and root him out from the hidden places. Trust no one. Trust not even yourself. It is better to die in vain than to live in abomination. The zealous martyr is praised for his valour: the craven and the unready are justly abhorred.
It is a long and tortuous day, with much arguing and discussion. The dead are mourned and cast into space, while the living bicker. The arguments grow heated, and only the firm discipline of the regiment keeps the violence at bay. After hours of strife and ponderous tests of faith, a man is singled out. Sinensis, indeed, his imperial tarot readings always turn up the warp and the void dragon. This can only mean one thing, ignoring his frantic pleas Sinensis is dragged to the front of the regiment, tears welling in his eyes, as members of the crowd hesitate in dragging him before the imperial altar. There, a member of the crowd takes a bolter and presses it against Sinensis' bowed head. An almost silent click is the prelude to a massive explosion, as Sinensis' head blasts apart in a shower of green gore. It seems like this was a fatal miscalculation. The members of the regiment form lines once again, before breaking and heading back to their quarters. Another night awaits them.
Sinensis, Marcus an Imperial Guardsman has become a martyr for the imperium!
+ Show Spoiler [vote count] +On February 02 2012 08:11 ZBot wrote: Votecount for day 2. With nine alive it takes five to lynch.
Current votes:
Sinensis (5): [UoN]Sentinel, BaronFel, -[UoN]Sentinel, Bluelightz, -Bluelightz, prplhz, mderg, EchelonTee, Bluelightz
Bluelightz (3): EchelonTee, mderg, Sinensis, TheToast, -mderg, -EchelonTee, [UoN]Sentinel
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Nisani201
No Lynch (0): Bluelightz, EchelonTee, -EchelonTee, -Bluelightz
prplhz (0): TheToast, Sinensis, -Sinensis, -TheToast
Not voting:
The Day deadline is at 2012-02-07 12:00:00. (It's over.) It is now night 2! Remember to send night actions to both myself and RedFF!
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*sigh*
Can we please stop listening to prplhz now?
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I mean seriously, it would be safer to give a child a chain sword.
*cue prplhz's annoying blurb about how he is confirmed town and how that means he's right*
It's time we get fucking serious about hunting the heretics. Homework for everyone except prplhz night 2, post your thoughts and analysis about ALL of the following people: mderg, EchelonTee, Nisani201
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you're so bad and hypocritical its not even funny. at least sinensis was blatant about it.
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On February 07 2012 12:19 EchelonTee wrote: you're so bad and hypocritical its not even funny. at least sinensis was blatant about it.
Innocent townies lynched by you 2/2
Innocent townies lynched by me 0.
FoS: EchelonTee
You'll remember that I said the third person was either you or Sentinel. Sentinel is looking awfully clean right now.
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you know you would've mislynched prplhz if you had gotten the chance.
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We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story.
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On February 07 2012 12:29 Nisani201 wrote: We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story.
Ahh yes, let's lynch another townie!
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sigh... don't know if I dislike minis or big games more
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Can we tone down the hostility a wee bit please?
Thanks ^_^
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sowwieeee
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On February 07 2012 12:38 GMarshal wrote: Can we tone down the hostility a wee bit please?
Thanks ^_^
I thought you were going to bed?
We'll behave, I promise GM. I'll tone back the RPing. :/
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On February 06 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote: OMFG, today is pretty much a fucking repeat of yesterday. Sinesis does something stupid, Sentinel votes him, then Bluelightz wants us to do something that would benefit scum.
prplhz is confirmed town, so no one should be voting him. I am really tempted to vote for Sentinel right now but I'll wait to see if anything else comes up.
Big FoS: sentinel
On February 06 2012 04:38 Nisani201 wrote: It should have been implied, but since you asked nicely I'll give one to you.
I'm suspicious of Sentinel because he's latching on this opportunity to lynch someone based on something that scum would never do but still seems stupid.
On February 06 2012 06:10 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 04:49 prplhz wrote: Is [UoN]Sentinel more likely to be scum than Bluelightz? Yes. I really don't think Bluelightz is scum.
On February 07 2012 06:06 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, I have decided that I will vote Sentinel. I understand why people don't like Sinesis, but I just can't imagine him being scum.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
On February 07 2012 12:29 Nisani201 wrote: We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story.
These are five of Nisani's last six posts... all are saying lynch [UoN]Sentinel. Note that he was also the first to vote me Day 1, not prplhz, not Bluelightz (who was acting more suspicious at the time like toast said) but me. For bandwagoning.
Of course then we killed Timeaisis for the same reason
On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote: I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today.
And you did not? IIRC your true reason for voting me was to "test" if I was scum, and you were passionately defending your case up until you said "Eh, too much effort to lynch this guy.
So that leaves Echelon.
TBH all I have on him is that his usually medium-to-large posts have turned into one-liners since the start of the day when Toast suspected on him.
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If you are just roleplaying, then what is the townie motivation for choosing to be an asshole?
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Am here but I am gonna sum up my thoughts on ET,Nisani, and mderg later.
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Nisani201 is scum because he didn't give a shit about this game at any point while we were lynching townies. He has played more with sinani206 than anyone and he should have seen how obvious scum he was, but he elected not to.
I'm going to push him tomorrow.
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After looking through Nisani201's filter, I think he's rather suspicious (short posts, didn't explain his decisions much). He's probably my main suspect at this point.
Mderg seems like a townie to me, or at least rather logical.
EchelonTee is rather aggressive, but I don't think that makes him more suspicious than Nisani201 at this point.
gotta go to work, but I'll be back later tonight
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On February 07 2012 20:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote: I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today.
And you did not? IIRC your true reason for voting me was to "test" if I was scum, and you were passionately defending your case up until you said "Eh, too much effort to lynch this guy. I can´t see, where I jumped on the Sentinel bandwagon. When I voted for you there was no bandwagon. I also didn´t defend my case against you passionately. IIRC I even was the first one to take my vote off you. Did you understand my line of thoughts which makes me think that you´re not scum? sinani = scum --> jumped on your bandwagon --> you probably not scum to make it simple I didn´t take anyone else into consideration for this as sinani´s the only scum we know.
I won´t listen to prplhz anymore, if he doesn´t have a really good reason. I feel really stupid right now that I didn´t listen to my gut feeling but to the confirmed townie.
I will take a look at the post of everyone in this game now and hopefully come up with some in depth analysis in some hours.
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Summing it up
Nisani: On to null, Slight town read but his lack of contributions makes me a bit suspicious will watch him later in the day.
mderg: His post's drip with contributions, the way he is posting makes me think he is town now.
[green]EchelonTee[/green: The way he post's ,make me have a slight town read of him
Yup, that's a wrap for today. I'm gonna post a full-list on people why are they town/scum/null when I wake up.
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Damn me not looking at the mistake
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End of night 2 is Feb 8 12:00pm KST correct?
Just want to know how much time I have left to write up my thoughts.
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On February 08 2012 00:27 TheToast wrote: End of night 2 is Feb 8 12:00pm KST correct?
Just want to know how much time I have left to write up my thoughts. Night ends in 11hours and 31 minutes
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I haven't been pushing Sentinel because prplhz was pushing Sinesis. I didn't want to argue against a confirmed townie. The fact that prplhz was pushing Sinesis made me someone doubt is towniness which is why I didn't try to draw votes off of him.
I'll make a case against Sentinel tomorrow though.
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On February 08 2012 02:11 Nisani201 wrote: I haven't been pushing Sentinel because prplhz was pushing Sinesis. I didn't want to argue against a confirmed townie. The fact that prplhz was pushing Sinesis made me someone doubt is towniness which is why I didn't try to draw votes off of him.
I'll make a case against Sentinel tomorrow though.
Is that supposed to be "somewhat doubt his towniness?"
And why would pushing Sinensis make you doubt his towniness? This isn't scumteam, townies don't know who the other townies are, so they go with their gut instinct. If five of us voted for Sinensis, worst-case scenario 3/7 townies thought he was guilty and said so by voting for him, and two scums who wanted to get rid of him. Personally I'd say 4/7 because I wanted to vote for him before Bluelightz came up.
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Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter.
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If you trusted me then why didn't you vote with me?
Did any of the rest of you back down because they trust in confirmed townies and because they think I'm a good scumhunter? (I DID kill a scum night1, that's not too bad you know)
Kinda looks like you're making this shit up. Anyway, I'm decided. I'm pushing you tomorrow.
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Remember that BOTH redff AND I need to get your night actions for them to count!
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Some (general) analysis on some/most players still in the game incoming. It´s not completed, yet, but I´m too tired to continue this now and want to post this before the end of the night (just in case of me dying). If I survive, I´m going to continue this tomorrow.
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Spoilering quotes. Bluelightz: + Show Spoiler +On February 02 2012 18:09 Bluelightz wrote:Sup guys got my role PM anyway, Here's my take on roles 1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/1 Chaos Cultist(s) ?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s) 9/9 Imperial Forces Remain ?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen ?/1?Imperial Priest(s) ?/1? Imperial Psyker(s) ?/1?Imperial Stormtrooper(s) ?/1? Imperial Commissar(s) ?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE. Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them
Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1 Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us, Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote: A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb, ##Vote: SinensisNo one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote. Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again" VOTINGHow many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay) not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits+ Show Spoiler + 12-3 -> 10-3 10-3 -> 8-3 8-3 -> 6-3 6-3 -> 4-3 4-3(LYLO)
Voting Strat: ~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<) ~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it. ~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker
Lurkers: Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT. I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad. Lurkers, hurt town how? ~Less Information ~Less possibilities for lynching ~ Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep.
Closing words: I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post.
His take on roles: speculating about the role-distribution, not much content. But he assumes that either sinani or prplhz are scum. Not very likely that he would say that, if he was scum himself (now that we know sinani really was scum).
His vote on sinensis is reasoned, nothing too strange.
Then he posts some fluff which could be of help to unexperienced player, explaining some basic thoughts/rules about Mafia. Looks rather useless but it doesn´t hurt town in any way.
After that he unvotes, votes and unvotes sinensis. Every vote/unvote is reasoned. Looks unconvinced but not scummy. He also calls out everyone who didn´t post (much) at that time. Normal thing to do.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 03 2012 09:28 Bluelightz wrote: Who I think is scum:
Timeaisis: Sheeping as pointer by ET above, he wants to lynch prp but later when everybody votes Sentinel he votes Sentinel too!
Sinensis: Random Lynching, Really?.Random lynching can be easily sabotaged because mafia can "fake" their random number.
Vote Leaders, More easily sabotaged, the leader's opinion can be easily changed.
Voting early is scummy?, what is your problem with people voicing their opinions?. It opens up way for more discussion.
So,
FoS:Sinensis FoS:Timeaisis A scum list, not reasoned that well but has at least some points. Aright statement. Again nothing too suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote:Hmm, @Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him Timeaisis Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) I am voting him. ##Vote: mdergSinensis Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:48 Sinensis wrote: Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis Nisani Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me. That's it
Sinani please post some more, ty! Another setup speculation. I can´t see how that helps but I also don´t see it as hurting town Then he told Timeaisis to make his own thoughts and following them, not others. Not much content but what he said seems right to me.
After that he voted me...I think this vote was rather rash and he didn´t provide many reason. He didn´t understand how I meant my points about Sentinel, though. I could have made it clearer. Seemed a bit strange to me but not really scummy.
He proceeds to pressure sinensis and nisani for not properly reasoning their votes against sentinel. Right thing to do, not scummy.
After some fluff and explaining that he´s indecisive he votes Timeaisis. I don´t understand that vote as Timeaisis was going to be lynched anyway. Seems a bit scummy to me.
Then he states the obvious (it´s most likely) that at least 1 scum had voted Timeaisis. Again not helping but also not hurting town. After calling out BaronFel for lurkin, which I see as standard, he asks whether we should mass roleclaim. That seems scummy to me as there´s no way it would benefit town.
Then he posts his list of reads on everyone. His list lacks reason, so it can´t be considered pro-town.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 06 2012 20:59 Bluelightz wrote:@ET Right now my list looks like this EchelonTeeTheToast Nisani201 Sinensismderg[UoN]SentinelBaronFelprplhz Explained Below:
Null - mderg, Sinensis : ~mderg's filter doesnt consist of much, I can't really conclude red or green on him.Though, he easily could be town or scum, can't be sure. ~Sinensis, he has been posting maybe 3 pages of 1-liners, and here's a compilation of some/most of them) + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2012 07:49 Sinensis wrote: And I'd only switch if we can't, for some reason, get a majority on Sentinel. On February 04 2012 07:49 Sinensis wrote: And I'd only switch if we can't, for some reason, get a majority on Sentinel. On February 04 2012 10:36 Sinensis wrote: You guys are about to kill a townie just because prplhz said "Well it's obviously Sentinel or Timeaisis"
This is so obvious. On February 04 2012 10:40 Sinensis wrote: Imbeciles. On February 04 2012 11:25 Sinensis wrote: No one asked you scum. On February 04 2012 08:03 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote: Okay, what do you think about my refutation of your argument that Timeaisis isn't scum because GMarshal wouldn't put first gamers on the scum team?
Maybe this will work, even though I doubt it ...
Are the teams balanced or are they RNG'd? I agree with that refutation, that game you posted wasn't even that long ago. On February 04 2012 11:29 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 04 2012 11:25 Sinensis wrote: No one asked you scum. That's not very nice! You, prplhz, and Bluelightz are dead once Time turns town. On February 04 2012 11:31 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:30 sinani206 wrote: Timeaisis bandwagon was way too fast-forming to be legitimate. ##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: Bluelightz You need to bold that. I made the same mistake. On February 04 2012 11:32 Sinensis wrote:Sorry Deadline is just CLOSE and people need to WAKE UP On February 04 2012 11:35 Sinensis wrote: Bet you're happy we don't have active players, aren't you scum? On February 04 2012 11:42 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 11:40 prplhz wrote: sinani206:
Has vote on [UoN]Sentinel Makes a shallow observation of arguable correctness indicating that Timeaisis might be innocent Proceeds to vote Bluelightz Never provides arguments or comments on cases When your motives are self preservation as a town member, arguments or comments on cases are pretty intuitive. On February 04 2012 12:14 Sinensis wrote: Looks like my primary suspects haven't changed. On February 05 2012 13:46 Sinensis wrote: I meant to reply right away, but I need to go afk for hours... sorry about this. I will try to get back with what Sentinel just said. On February 05 2012 13:53 Sinensis wrote:Sentinel, my feelings aren't hurt. It's actually fine bro. On February 05 2012 14:02 Sinensis wrote: You are number 3 suspect for scum of mine and I would think many people's list. Even if you're not scum, doesn't mean killing you wouldn't tell a lot. On February 05 2012 14:13 Sinensis wrote: Because holding out on it is going to help us, right? On February 05 2012 14:16 Sinensis wrote: In the words of my comrade Timeaisis who you helped execute, "Good to know." His voting, he never ever,ever has made a proper case on anyone he votes, example Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 05:06 Sinensis wrote:On February 06 2012 03:24 mderg wrote:On February 06 2012 02:55 Sinensis wrote: If someone can explain to me why prplhz is confirmed town without evidencing that he was the one who shot sinani206 I'll change my vote to Bluelightz. I don't see it though. No one counterclaimed. Hmm... that's a pretty good point. Since the 1 shot is used, it is beneficial to reveal. I see now. ##Unvote: prplhzI said in my post before I would switch if someone could convince me, mderg, convinced me. ##Vote: Bluelightz he say's mderg convinvnce me, but then he just straight up votes me.
Townies: prplhz - His vigi claim makes me believe he's town all others - Due to their posting makes me think they are town ##Vote: SinensisReasons'above Another list without much reasoning behind it. At least he explains his null/scum reads.His changes in reads weren´t explained, though, which seems strange but not necessarily scummy.
After that he posted mostly fluff, not much to conclude... But his reasoning for considering BaronFel as townie didn´t make much sense to me and seemed a bit scummy. I there was really nothing to read on BaronFel.
My conclusion is that he is probably not scum, not because he made many pro-town posts but because he basically gave sinani 50% chance to be scum right from the start. I just don´t see any reason for him to do that, if he was scum.
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EchelonTee: He starts the game with some fluff, I can´t read something out of that but this often happens at the beginning. The first real contribution is his case against Timeaisis: + Show Spoiler +On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote: Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote: Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? His first argument is reasonable. Timeaisis´ post is a bit contradicting. The second argument was the sudden change of mind, where Timeaisis decided to jump on the "sentinel bandwagon" without reasoning his vote properly. This post didn´t help town, obviously. But he gave sensible reasons for his vote, so I can´t say that he´s scum based on this.
Then he posted this: + Show Spoiler +On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. prplhz hasn't posted since his attack on sinensis. how is he being hostile and or scummy? Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Wtf? I'm pointing out your flippity floppity, not defending sentinel. idgaf about sentinel; however you're sowing chaos in thread. Your tone in this sentence: you're putting on airs as if you're exposing something underhanded I am doing, when in reality, you're just trying to discredit me with nothing. I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this: Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote:I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis First he defended prplhz in a logical way, I can´t see an anti town intention here. Then he proceeds to clarify his intention of attacking timeaisis, not defending sentinel. He then continues his attack on timeaisis because he was emphasizing his noobiness. After looking back to it I can´t see that much in his attack on timeaisis anymore. He gathered reasons but there wasn´t anything that should´ve made our votes move that easy. Not that the analysis was bad but we should´ve gotten more thought into this.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 04 2012 06:03 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 05:28 Sinensis wrote: And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context. ...you've used the word bandwagon too, have other people been misusing it unlike you? doesn't take a dictionary definition to see bandwagon. it's obvious. bandwagon analysis, as a subset of vote analysis, is a useful tool in mafia; don't discredit its use. Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 05:34 TheToast wrote: Why are we focused on Sentinel? As I said before, I'm still not 100% convinced he's chaos.
Bluelightz and prplhz are the much more obvious chaos-scum. We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel. Where did you say that you're not 100% convinced he's chaos? What I saw in your filter is that you believe that only Sentinel and Bluelightz have good analysis on them. The former, you now want to leave for later (hint: if you think someone is scummy why leave them for later), and the latter, you are the only one who analyzed him. What, so is my analysis on Timeaisis shit? Why does no one seem to want to address Timeaisis, or my points on him? That said, your points on Bluelightz here are pretty good, but how is prplhz bad? no one's posted anything of substance on him. Just saying "I think X is scummy" won't convince me. A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points. This post seemed good on first glance but IMO it doesn´t have much content. The bandwagon part discredited a statement but it wasn´t important in any way. The next 2 paragraphs could have been posted in 2 lines. He could have just said that he thinks his analysis was useful, too. Then he again says something you could say in 2 lines and uses a whole paragraph for it. It´s not necessarily scummy but making long posts without much content doesn´t help that much.
He proceeds to post some fluff that doesn´t help or hurt town, and he tries to strengthen his position by saying that him starting the bandwagon on timeaisis doesn´t make himself scum because nobody had objections. An understandable defence but nothing that makes a read on him easier.
The next real content post was this: + Show Spoiler +On February 05 2012 17:49 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 16:51 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more. If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis Don't be sorry mon XD XD XD, Just don't be sheep, and also don't waste the time you have when you can post.
Night Actions: Anyway, our tainted is gone,I think there is a DT because of this. Scum RB is gone <3 Here's a question to everyone Should we mass-roleclaim? The RB is gone so scum cant prevent blues from getting checks, if we all agree the medic(if we have one) should hide
My reads on everyone: EchelonTee TheToast Nisani201 Sinensis mderg [UoN]SentinelBaronFel prplhz
I'm gonna read some more filters so I can conclude who I think is scum 1. mass-roleclaim: terrible idea, exposes blues at a stage where there is no need to. how could you even suggest this. You're really fixated on roles this game. You're not talking about anything that is tangibly pertinent. This is a NORMAL Mini Mafia; role discussion is just fluffy fluff at this point. 2. you managed to post a list of green and null tells. good job. Did everyone forget about this post? It reflects a lot of my thoughts on bluelightz (wishywashy, posts nothing of use), yet it has gotten buried. Bluelightz never responded at all to the accusations, and his previous thought on who was scum (BaronFel), he now has as green? wtf? Sinensis been drinking some of that crazy juice, but he's not most scummy in thread atm. ##Vote Bluelightz Pointing out the stupidness of Bluelightz idea and his not reasoned list makes sense. But his main point is thetoast´s post which he didn´t follow on day 1. There wasn´t much of his own thoughts in his reasons but his post made sense.
Then again some fluff and calling out BaronFel for his lurking and lack of reasoning. Pretty standard play regardless of alignment.
Afte that he unvoted bluelightz beacause bluelightz didn´t push any scum agendas. There´s not much I can conclude from it. He could have had his reasons for it as townie and as scum. Nothing particulary scummy, though.
After that he voted sinensis. + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2012 08:48 EchelonTee wrote:sigh sinensis... Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 08:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 07 2012 07:31 Sinensis wrote:On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
omg Sentinel do I seriously have to do everything for you or do you just enjoy making me work? On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:@EchelonTee [UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it.
@Sinensis Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident. I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it. What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand.
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these. 04:54 vs. 06:00. Sinani still came first -__- You're so stubborn that you don't realize you're wrong when the time stamps are clearly visible. Why are you STILL trying to discredit prplhz?? I don't give a shit if he's a vet or not. he SHOT sinani. despite all you people reading him as town. wtf have you done all game, besides insult people. Oh, is this supposed to be your master stroke? Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:02 Sinensis wrote:prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list. 1We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier? I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly. 2On February 04 2012 11:55 Sinensis wrote: If I'm a townie (And TheToast is a townie, which I think he is) then with the information we have I'm in a unique position to be able verify Timeaisis's innocence based on voting patterns.
I don't know what you think you're talking about. Maybe you can start a bandwagon lynch on me later just like you did with Timeaisis? I don't get it. 1. The problem with gambits such as this, is that by doing a SUPER SCUMMY move, you make TOWN people suspicious of you. It never occurred to you that a townie might start the movement on you? This paragraph here is just so wtf. Are you saying that mderg is added to your "probably town list", just because he told you prplhz can't be mafia because of no CC?? I stated that before mderg. PRPLHZ stated that before mderg. It took a one liner from mderg to convince you? This just reeks of "try to make prplhz look bad at any cost". 2.I noticed this the first time you said it; didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. How can you CONFIRM anyone's innocence? It's D1, no flips, no night actions, nothing. You can't possibly use voting analysis at that state of the game. Look at sinani; you sure were convinced he was town because he voted for Blue, remember? I said I would be back before deadline. Placeholder vote is placeholder vote. Since you're so anxious, ##Vote: Sinensis I have a hard time understanding his reasons for the vote... he attacked sinensis´ defence in 1 but didn´t bring any real arguments. In 2 I don´t see any reason to vote for sinensis at all. This vote seems rather strange and a bit scummy to me. Not much content after that.
My conclusion on him is that he didn´t post much content within his numeruos posts. He was the one wo started the timeaisis bandwagon (which isn´t a strong reason for considering him suspicious in itself) and he had a strange vote for sinensis. So I consider him suspicious but not very suspicious because he tried to give reasons for every vote.
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Nisani: He didn´t post much let alone much content. He also didn´t give reasons for his votes by himself, we often had to ask for this. He voted for timeaisis on day 1 and insisted on voting sentinel whom he had attacked from the beginning of the game already. (also without much reasoning).
IMO he hasn´t played pro-town at all. He didn´t post very much, so I couldn´t get many reads out of his posts but his lurking alone would already make him suspicious.
BaronFel: Same as nisani he hasn´t contributed much. Other than nisani he gave reasons for his votes like in this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
##Unvote: Sinensis
I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). But he often refers to others posts and opinions and always went with the majority which makes it seem like he isn´t rying to find scum himself.
BaronFel is a possible scum as he was lurking and not bringing in his own arguments. But he isn´t the main suspect because his play didn´t seem blatantly anti-town on the first 2 days.
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On February 07 2012 12:14 TheToast wrote: [...] analysis about ALL of the following people: mderg, EchelonTee, Nisani201
mderg - been fairly active all games, always explains what he's talking about. was not sold on Timeaisis being scum, and only voted Sinensis because he had to. Sort of non committal, but not scummy.
EchelonTee - he's handsome.
Nisani201 - lurking a lot, identified sinensis as not scum very early. he didn't have to. hasn't contributed much but has been consistent on his suspicion of Sentinel. I'm unconvinced he's red.
On February 07 2012 23:02 BaronFel wrote: After looking through Nisani201's filter, I think he's rather suspicious (short posts, didn't explain his decisions much). He's probably my main suspect at this point.
Though your posts are slightly longer than Nisani's, how are you any better than him?
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TheToast: Started the game with some fluff and roleplaying. Nothing to conclude from this. Was against voting sinensis at the start and tried to pressure bluelightz very early in the game. I can´t see that as anti-town. The early bandwagon was indeed strange.
He then attacks sinensis for his random lynch/vote leader suggestion: + Show Spoiler +On February 03 2012 03:02 TheToast wrote:Sinensis you are ever increasing the evidence against you. Why you keep advocating dumb vote systems, over just figuring out who is scum and killing them, is beyond me. Why are you so against the idea of analysis? Scum have 1 kp per night in this game. Meaning if we accidentally lynch a town member Mafia will then kill another town member. So no, we cannot risk just randomly killing someone. We need to figure out who is scum and lynch them today or go no lynch. (I prefer the d1 lynch, but if we can't agree better to lose only 1 townie instead of 2). Also, we've been talking about options for the last few pages. You are so far one of the few who have not put forward some ideas about who should go down for the D1 lynch. You keep trying to railroad the thread towards your ideas but you have provided almost no analysis about who you think is scum. I would call you out for being scum, but I can't help but think that if you were the other two mafia members would be trying to get you to stop posting stuff. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 02:54 Timeaisis wrote: Well, vote leader screams scum sabotage to me. That sounds like if there's a scum "vote leader" then we are completly screwed. So I'm still for individual votes.
By the way, has anyone not posted yet? Because I'm leaning voting for them if only to get some sort of response. See that may have been a good idea if you hadn't announced it to the whole thread. I don´t like the idea of a no lynch day 1 because we wouldn´t get much information, so I´d rather have a townie lynched, if there´s anything to get (If we really had no idea about anyone, we could just give up anyway). I don´t see that as pro-town. Then he wants sinensis to voice his ideas for whom to lynch. At least not anti-town.
After some fluff he proceeded with an attack/analysis on bluelightz´ play: + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2012 01:43 TheToast wrote:Alright, with just over 11 hours left to go in Day1, it's time to make my call. Up until now, I've been trying to collect as much information as possible, and I think I've got what I need. Right now I'm convinced that Bluelightz is Scum.
But first let's start off with why Sinesis: is a townie. I was pretty worried about him a few pages back, he seemed to be advocating for a vote system that clearly was a benefit to Mafia. After I called him out about it, suddendly he started suspecting the same people that a few posts earlier I had expressed suspecion about and then said I was confirmed town. Odd. But in reviewing his posts, I found two interesting details: Show nested quote +Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies. Show nested quote +Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. To me these quotes suggest that Sinesis really just doesn't know how the game works. His idea about the "vote leader" also suggests townie to me, Mafia would know they could just use their KP on that person. Newer mafia player is also going to be much more reserved, rather than come out loudly suggesting terrible ideas. I think an agent of the enemy would look fairer, and feel fowler Bluelightz Let's start with the obvious scum. His first post is a dead giveaway: + Show Spoiler [Long Ass Post] +On February 02 2012 18:09 Bluelightz wrote:Sup guys got my role PM anyway, Here's my take on roles 1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us 3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/1 Chaos Cultist(s) ?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s) 9/9 Imperial Forces Remain ?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen ?/1?Imperial Priest(s) ?/1? Imperial Psyker(s) ?/1?Imperial Stormtrooper(s) ?/1? Imperial Commissar(s) ?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE. Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them
Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1 Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us, Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote: A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb, ##Vote: SinensisNo one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote. Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again" VOTINGHow many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay) not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits+ Show Spoiler + 12-3 -> 10-3 10-3 -> 8-3 8-3 -> 6-3 6-3 -> 4-3 4-3(LYLO)
Voting Strat: ~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<) ~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it. ~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker
Lurkers: Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT. I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad. Lurkers, hurt town how? ~Less Information ~Less possibilities for lynching ~ Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep.
Closing words: I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post. Spoilering because it is STUPID longWhat is all of this? Is any of this useful information? No. This is all pointless junk that bluelightz threw in because he wanted to make it seem like he was doing some in depth analysis. What he really did was just call out the townie who was being the loudest and avocating a dumb idea. A very clear Mafia tactic. Look back, it was actually bluelightz who started the bandwagon on Sinesis. After Sinesis accuses him of having an agenda, Bluelightz immediately changes course and unvotes Sinesis. Then prplhz hops on the bandwagon (remember this) as does [UoN]Sentinel. Based on this development Bluelightz decides to again vote for Sinesis. (why in the world would two other people voting for the same guy make you change your vote???) When I called out Bluelightz for this very thing, he AGAIN changed course and unvoted Sinesis. After ET calls out Timeasis, Bluelightz again hops on the bandwagon and FOS's him. Then bluelightz changes him mind AGAIN and votes mdrg + Show Spoiler [Another Long Ass Post] +On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote:Hmm, @Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him Timeaisis Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote:On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) I am voting him. ##Vote: mdergSinensis Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:48 Sinensis wrote: Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis Nisani Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me. That's it
Sinani please post some more, ty! Interesting thing here is the defense of Sentinel. "Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him". Okay. Then proceeds to "see" why Timeasis went against Sentinel. Show nested quote +You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. Now wait, this seems more like you are telling Timeasis should not vote Sentinel. Not really a fair analysis. Then he proceeds to "analyze" Mderg. Show nested quote +On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________?
Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) Wait, so we went from seeing "why" people were bandwagoning on Sentinel ( without giving ANY reason why you thought Sentinel was clean) to accusing mderg in one paragraph. Wtf? I also find it interesting that after mderg points out what may be a mafia slip up from Sentinel, you immediately start attacking him. Smooth. What's the defense to all of this? Show nested quote +~Im kinda wishy-washy with reads, look at Purgatory Mafia d1 if you want to take a look KIND OF???? At this point I am 100% convinced that Bluelightz is Chaos scum, and he would seem to have inadvertantly fingered Sentinel along with him. Right now I'm going Bluelightz as I am very sure he is Mafia, less so about Sentinel. I would prefer to take out the confirmed scum first, but if we get close to Night 1 and most votes are still on Sentinel, I will switch to ensure we get the 7 needed. ##Vote Bluelightz After he said that he´s convinced about bluelightz being scum he started the analysis with explaining why he thought that sinensis was town. Strange order to do things but I don´t think it tells anything about him. He expalins sinensis being town by emphasizing how sinensis doesn´t seem to know how the game exactly works. Good point and -as we know- sinensis flipped town, so I consider this as pro-town behavior. After that the analysis on bluelightz followed. He first points out the strange vote/unvote changes. Then the advise to timeaisis that he should follow his own suspicions, not someone else´s. It was a bit out of place from bluelightz but it didn´t make him suspicious IMO. The analysis of the vote on me that followed wasn´t that convincing but made sense, so the vote was justified.
After that he explained his opinion on timeaisis and why he wasn´t scum in his opinion. + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2012 02:36 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote:On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed. On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree. On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum. This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about. His first point was purely speculation and refuted by GM when he said that the roles were randomized. The vote against Vilonis didn´t indicate a townie beahavior IMO it´s rather neutral, scum can also call out lurkers and possibly get an easy lynch. I also didn´t like the argument that going with the flow is town like behavior rather than scummy behavior as scum can easily hide in the majority. So I didn´t like his defence of timeaisis but as found out later he was right about the alignment.
He then proceeds to attack prplhz for voting without real reasons and continues to attack bluelightz. Made sense, more town like behavior.
This took a really long time so please don´t mind spelling/grammar mistakes etc.
Just a general not that well reasoned list of reads: Bluelightz IMO rather town than scum, not safe to assume, though EchelonTee IMO suspicious but no serious suspicion TheToast IMO rather town than scum but not confirmed Nisani201 IMO rather scum than town, my first target [UoN]Sentinel IMO hard to imagine as scum BaronFel IMO not cleared my feeling tells me that he´s town prplhz pretty much confirmed town
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didn´t realize it was that long... gonna sleep now, so I won´t respond today
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On February 08 2012 04:08 prplhz wrote: If you trusted me then why didn't you vote with me?
Did any of the rest of you back down because they trust in confirmed townies and because they think I'm a good scumhunter? (I DID kill a scum night1, that's not too bad you know)
Kinda looks like you're making this shit up. Anyway, I'm decided. I'm pushing you tomorrow.
What? Don't you think if Nisani were scum that he would have been voting on the town lynching bandwagon with you both days? Don't you think Nisani would have wanted to kill Time and Sinesis?
Idk what to make of this, unless this is just a CYA thing because you are afraid of getting shot tonight.
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On February 08 2012 07:15 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 04:08 prplhz wrote: If you trusted me then why didn't you vote with me?
Did any of the rest of you back down because they trust in confirmed townies and because they think I'm a good scumhunter? (I DID kill a scum night1, that's not too bad you know)
Kinda looks like you're making this shit up. Anyway, I'm decided. I'm pushing you tomorrow. What? Don't you think if Nisani were scum that he would have been voting on the town lynching bandwagon with you both days? Don't you think Nisani would have wanted to kill Time and Sinesis?Idk what to make of this, unless this is just a CYA thing because you are afraid of getting shot tonight. With this kind of logic we can also exclude sinani206 from being scum. That's how bad it is.
I doubt Nisani201 thinks I'm a better scum hunter than he is for real, I've played like 3 games with him and I sucked in all of them. Like, get-lynched-day2-as-townie-with-having-a-single-correct-scum-read-sucked in the last one I remember. Anyway, he's pushed his own lynches in games with scum hunters who are way better than I am, he's pretty confident in his own reads, as townies often are. You're an over-the-top example of that in a "I'm townie, thus I'm right, thus every argument I use must be right" kind of way so you should be able to see the validity of my argument.
I have no idea what "CYA thing" means but it's probably stupid and unimportant. I'm kinda hoping I get shot tonight but scum probably aren't that merciful.
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remember to send me actions as well as gm
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On February 08 2012 06:53 EchelonTee wrote: Though your posts are slightly longer than Nisani's, how are you any better than him?
I feel like Nisani hasn't always explained himself and his actions clearly. I try to explain my reasoning and if it happens to agree with someone else, I try not to repeat and add in fluff.
I think sometimes Toast can be aggressive in his pursuit, but still isn't my main suspect.
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For mderg I would agree with Sentinel's remarks for right now. After reading all of his analysis and conclusions he is looking pretty green to me. Nothing in those posts stuck out to me as suggesting he is scum.
As I said before, I'm not sure about Nisani being scum, he has twice now been on the opposite side of the bandwagons against town members. Doesn't mean he's clean but seems to avert my suspicions for now. Though I am again worried about prphlz deciding to declare a crusade against someone with absolutely no evidence or reasoning. I'm not entirely sure he's town, but that may just be coming from his lack of contributions this game. I really don't see any evidence against him as a sum players.
Which of course brings me to ET.
I already wrote up my thoughts on ET's posts for day 1 here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=16#319 (sorry for the messed up quotes)
My conclusion at the time was that he was just terrible at analysis. But seeing that he did it again Day 2 I am getting a bit worried. Not much to go on for ET's posts Day2, the only one of real substance is where he accused Sinesis:
On February 07 2012 08:48 EchelonTee wrote:sigh sinensis... Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 08:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 07 2012 07:31 Sinensis wrote:On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
omg Sentinel do I seriously have to do everything for you or do you just enjoy making me work? On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:@EchelonTee [UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it.
@Sinensis Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident. I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it. What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand.
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these. 04:54 vs. 06:00. Sinani still came first -__- You're so stubborn that you don't realize you're wrong when the time stamps are clearly visible. Why are you STILL trying to discredit prplhz?? I don't give a shit if he's a vet or not. he SHOT sinani. despite all you people reading him as town. wtf have you done all game, besides insult people. Oh, is this supposed to be your master stroke? Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:02 Sinensis wrote:prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list. 1We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier? I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly. 2On February 04 2012 11:55 Sinensis wrote: If I'm a townie (And TheToast is a townie, which I think he is) then with the information we have I'm in a unique position to be able verify Timeaisis's innocence based on voting patterns.
I don't know what you think you're talking about. Maybe you can start a bandwagon lynch on me later just like you did with Timeaisis? I don't get it. 1. The problem with gambits such as this, is that by doing a SUPER SCUMMY move, you make TOWN people suspicious of you. It never occurred to you that a townie might start the movement on you? This paragraph here is just so wtf. Are you saying that mderg is added to your "probably town list", just because he told you prplhz can't be mafia because of no CC?? I stated that before mderg. PRPLHZ stated that before mderg. It took a one liner from mderg to convince you? This just reeks of "try to make prplhz look bad at any cost". 2.I noticed this the first time you said it; didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. How can you CONFIRM anyone's innocence? It's D1, no flips, no night actions, nothing. You can't possibly use voting analysis at that state of the game. Look at sinani; you sure were convinced he was town because he voted for Blue, remember? I said I would be back before deadline. Placeholder vote is placeholder vote. Since you're so anxious, ##Vote: Sinensis
I don't have a problem with the first part. Sinesis majorly muddied the waters day 1, I also called out Sinesis for this so I can't hold this against ET.
The second half of this argument makes no sense to me. Essentially ET is saying that Sinesis is scum for going after prphlz. I should point out that I did as well, and said I was not going to move my vote until I was sure there was not going to be a counter claim. Sinesis followed me in this. We both moved our votes when it became clear that no one was going to counter claim. How does that make him scum and me not?
I'm not sure I understand point 2 at all. ET thought he was scum because he was unhappy that ET's bad analysis lead to Time getting lynched? I don't understand this at all.
Either way this is pretty much the bulk of ET's posting from Day2, not much to go on so I really can't get a good read. Still on my list of suspicions though.
Not sure what is going on with BaronFel, I can't make head or tails of his (lack of) posting.
I guess we will have to see who gets the axe Night 2 and try to analyze it. I'm still wondering why Violinis was the mafia hit day 1, looking at the two together may give us some insight into who is on the right track. Hopefully I'm still here by then :S
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Day 3
Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt.
In the darkness of the void, each man huddles in his cabin, powerless to stop death. It is not a question of if, but rather, who, will die tonight. In his cabin, mderg cradles his lascarabine, the only sure friend in these dark times. As the door to his room opens silently, he stands and takes careful aim. In these times, any nightguest who comes without knocking is unwelcome. With well practiced breathing, mderg takes aim at the coalescing shadows, and squeezes the trigger. A hail of las-shots piece the darkness, illuminating a contorted, demonic figure, something inhuman and unsightly. Mderg cannot hold back a scream as he fires, again and again. The thing doesn't seem to notice the lasfire, it simply stands there, and when mderg's lasgun runs dry, it takes a step forward.
In the morning, the only thing found in mderg's room was a puddle of blood and the scorch-marks of lasgun fire.
What is the terror of death? That we die our work incomplete! What is the joy of life? To die knowing our task is done!
Mderg, an Imperial Guardsman, has died.
It is now day 3! You have 48 hours to determine who to lynch!
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Aw, just when he was getting good...
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Calling it right now, BaronFel and Sentinel scumteam.
BaronFel was lurking a lot during the Timeasis/Sentinel/Blueilghtz stuff D1, which would make sense if he were scum.
Posts like this:
On February 07 2012 23:02 BaronFel wrote: After looking through Nisani201's filter, I think he's rather suspicious (short posts, didn't explain his decisions much). He's probably my main suspect at this point.
Mderg seems like a townie to me, or at least rather logical.
EchelonTee is rather aggressive, but I don't think that makes him more suspicious than Nisani201 at this point.
gotta go to work, but I'll be back later tonight Also make me think he's scum. He tries to be as impartial as possible with everything.
I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make.
I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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Cool enough.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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On February 08 2012 11:32 TheToast wrote:Which of course brings me to ET. I already wrote up my thoughts on ET's posts for day 1 here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452¤tpage=16#319 (sorry for the messed up quotes) My conclusion at the time was that he was just terrible at analysis. But seeing that he did it again Day 2 I am getting a bit worried. Not much to go on for ET's posts Day2, the only one of real substance is where he accused Sinesis: Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 08:48 EchelonTee wrote:sigh sinensis... On February 07 2012 08:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 07 2012 07:31 Sinensis wrote:On February 07 2012 07:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:prplhz just said "lynch timeaisis" It wasn't until 50 minutes later that sinani brought out this gem: On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: OK, so we have 2 lynch candidates: timeaisis and sentinel. Everyone not on these should switch to them now to make sure we have no stragglers at lynch time. (Bluelightz/Vilonis/TheToast) The fact that they are voting for each other already makes me pretty sure that one of them is mafia. Timeaisis is looking more newb-town with the quick votes on him, so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
omg Sentinel do I seriously have to do everything for you or do you just enjoy making me work? On February 04 2012 06:00 prplhz wrote:@EchelonTee [UoN]Sentinel only has Hammer Mini Mafia on this forum yet and since we both participated in that game and he's still alive I'm not going to talk about it.
@Sinensis Yea, I joke-voted in the beginning of the game but does this make me more scummy or more townie? It doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't really matter what you think about me anyway, the Timeasis lynch isn't good or bad depending on my alignment but on the arguments presented in this thread. As for my vote on you, you were the most scummy at that point. Yes you were, you promoted chaos and silly stuff and I wanted the game going so I voted you. I wasn't very confident that you were scum so I didn't push you hard but I wanted people to start talking about the lynch and I actually think I successfully shifted the discussion away from silly policies and plans and unto who we should lynch which is what day1 should be about especially in a game like this where there can be no plans and where policies should be self evident. I haven't had the time I usually have for this game because I was in another game (Hammer Mini Mafia). I am dead in that game now and you can expect more from me now (as you can already see). I did indirectly respond to your FOS when I wrote the post saying that my early posts were just to get the game started. I understand that it must have been traumatic of you to have had 4 votes on you but you need to get over it. What do you mean with that last thing, that there are three people you are suspicious of and they're defending each other? Names and examples please because I don't think I understand.
@TheToast You don't feel like responding to my complaint that you're using the same arguments for me being scum as for Timeasis being town? Since we are lynching either Timeasis or [UoN]Sentinel tonight people need to start voting for one of these. 04:54 vs. 06:00. Sinani still came first -__- You're so stubborn that you don't realize you're wrong when the time stamps are clearly visible. Why are you STILL trying to discredit prplhz?? I don't give a shit if he's a vet or not. he SHOT sinani. despite all you people reading him as town. wtf have you done all game, besides insult people. Oh, is this supposed to be your master stroke? On February 07 2012 07:02 Sinensis wrote:prplhz I voted for you in my violent outburst of a post to see if anyone would try to go after me. You are confirmed town so long as no one tries to say they're a vigi too, why not see if I can go fishing for scum and have one try to start a movement against me? Afterward I can act dumb and the person who convinced me I get to add to my, "probably town" list. 1We're you the one earlier who said that in your 50+ years of playing or however long you've never seen a scum slip? That they don't exist and people who try to find them are just making the waters murkier? I was also super pissed because you essentially killed our first townie with your "Sentinel or Timeaisis" ultimatum that everyone followed, especially when I was in a position to, as a townie, confirm his innocence. This made you look like scum to me, and TheToast if I remember correctly. 2On February 04 2012 11:55 Sinensis wrote: If I'm a townie (And TheToast is a townie, which I think he is) then with the information we have I'm in a unique position to be able verify Timeaisis's innocence based on voting patterns.
I don't know what you think you're talking about. Maybe you can start a bandwagon lynch on me later just like you did with Timeaisis? I don't get it. 1. The problem with gambits such as this, is that by doing a SUPER SCUMMY move, you make TOWN people suspicious of you. It never occurred to you that a townie might start the movement on you? This paragraph here is just so wtf. Are you saying that mderg is added to your "probably town list", just because he told you prplhz can't be mafia because of no CC?? I stated that before mderg. PRPLHZ stated that before mderg. It took a one liner from mderg to convince you? This just reeks of "try to make prplhz look bad at any cost". 2.I noticed this the first time you said it; didn't make sense then, doesn't make sense now. How can you CONFIRM anyone's innocence? It's D1, no flips, no night actions, nothing. You can't possibly use voting analysis at that state of the game. Look at sinani; you sure were convinced he was town because he voted for Blue, remember? I said I would be back before deadline. Placeholder vote is placeholder vote. Since you're so anxious, ##Vote: Sinensis I don't have a problem with the first part. Sinesis majorly muddied the waters day 1, I also called out Sinesis for this so I can't hold this against ET. The second half of this argument makes no sense to me. Essentially ET is saying that Sinesis is scum for going after prphlz. I should point out that I did as well, and said I was not going to move my vote until I was sure there was not going to be a counter claim. Sinesis followed me in this. We both moved our votes when it became clear that no one was going to counter claim. How does that make him scum and me not? 1.I'm not sure I understand point 2 at all. ET thought he was scum because he was unhappy that ET's bad analysis lead to Time getting lynched? I don't understand this at all. Either way this is pretty much the bulk of ET's posting from Day2, not much to go on so I really can't get a good read. Still on my list of suspicions though. 2.Not sure what is going on with BaronFel, I can't make head or tails of his (lack of) posting. I guess we will have to see who gets the axe Night 2 and try to analyze it. I'm still wondering why Violinis was the mafia hit day 1, looking at the two together may give us some insight into who is on the right track. Hopefully I'm still here by then :S 3
1. My argument was essentially the converse of why people thought Sinensis was innocent; he was acting really scummy, talking nonsense, and discrediting people without doing anything. Some people said that he was being too scummy to be scum. I prefer lynching people who are scummy, rather than let them gallivant about and ruin town atmosphere. You can condemn my reads if you want, but if you honestly think that Sinensis was not acting scummy, there's no hope for you. You're also implying that I don't find you suspicious, though I do. I didn't think that any townie could rationally think that prplhz could be scum after that, and you and Sinensis being still on him was glaring. If you want me to spell it out for you, I think that mafia was trying to discredit prplhz because they won't be able to mislynch him, or reliably shoot him at night.
2. What you're implying here (and what mderg said explicitly R.I.P.) is that I haven't been posting much, or that I've been posting a lot of fluff. I've been one of the most active people in this game; though it's easy to hone into my hand-full of analysis posts and pick them apart, since they were wrong, if you wanted to analyze me, you'd better do a full job of it and look at my reactions to people, my questions, etc. I'm not going to let you mislynch me on the platform of "he was wrong so he's scum". Having a list of suspicions is fine and dandy; take a firm stance on me instead of just waffling around the topic.
3. I really don't get why you keep on posting this fear of the red bullet. Your D1/N1 activity was good for Mafia in that you wanted prplhz dead, who was getting suspicious of sinani, a red. Your D2 activity, you didn't take responsibility for anything, though you brought up a meta argument on Bluelightz that was the opposite of what you made it out to be. I don't know why I so easily assumed that you were townie; you posting these little tags sure as hell makes people think you're town. To be clear and explicit: by stating that you are afraid of being shot and that you hope you are still around, you're overemphasizing your "pro-towniness", which I think is an illusion; you post a lot, doesn't make you townie.
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On February 08 2012 13:04 prplhz wrote: Cool enough.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
you agree with the dude you were going to push? buhh?
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Who do we lynch today EchelonTee? I'm totally clueless.
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I need to think more slowly and rationally. Going to filter/meta the following: TheToast Nisani Sentinel
Toast or anyone else, if you end up analyzing the dead people/vote patterns, that would be helpful.
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BaronFel is looking good, but for once I agree 100% with ET. We need to be very careful and rational about this. We have 48 hours, lets figure this out.
I'm going to sit down tomorrow and go through some of these with a fine tooth comb. Let's **NOT** just jump on the Sentinel bandwagon with Nisani. At least until we have some good evidence and analysis on Sentinel and Nisani has actually been cleared.
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When you say BaronFel is look good, do you mean looking good as a townie or good as a lynch candidate?
Also, "fine tooth comb" what does that mean? Genuinely curious, not trying analyze or w.e
Sleeping, will post thoughts tomorrow
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Hey guys back anyway to the list:
As for previous reasons,
EchelonTee Nisani201
Others
BaronFel - From town to Null in one post, sigh...
On February 07 2012 23:02 BaronFel wrote: After looking through Nisani201's filter, I think he's rather suspicious (short posts, didn't explain his decisions much). He's probably my main suspect at this point.
Mderg seems like a townie to me, or at least rather logical.
EchelonTee is rather aggressive, but I don't think that makes him more suspicious than Nisani201 at this point.
gotta go to work, but I'll be back later tonight
Hmm, first point on Nisani prp had already pointed it out already.
The point I bolded, " okay BaronFel I'll wait for you tonight for more juicy stuff!"
Okay, he comes back nad then....... in the time he has DING DING DING DING
1 POST!
"But bluelightz, this post can have lots of juicy content like TheToast's post's or others"
On February 08 2012 10:19 BaronFel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:53 EchelonTee wrote: Though your posts are slightly longer than Nisani's, how are you any better than him? I feel like Nisani hasn't always explained himself and his actions clearly. I try to explain my reasoning and if it happens to agree with someone else, I try not to repeat and add in fluff. I think sometimes Toast can be aggressive in his pursuit, but still isn't my main suspect. Uhh.....
So, when BaronFel s back he only posted this one post.
Let's see what he did,
1.Questioning if people's post's are better then Nisani's post's..... Your filter looks like equal with Nisani's, except with much more lurking and just sheeping.You, have contributed very little to town.
2.BaronFel, why dont you just agree with the "someone" you end up agreeing with?It's better then repeating what one person has already said.
3.CAN BE?????? Anyway, you think TheToast is suspicious why?
okay next!
prplhz - confirmed town
TheToast - the way TheToast post's is very townie, he has been contributing lot's to town so yeah town.
Okay, so lastly Sentinel!
[UoN]Sentinel - He didnt contribute much, some of his votes have little explanation sometimes, but the way he acts is a little townie, could be scum tho
The End!, If you have any questions or want me to explain more, Feel free to do it!
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On February 08 2012 02:20 Nisani201 wrote: Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter.
This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it.
His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner.
Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense.
I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make.
I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town.
Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined.
On February 08 2012 13:04 prplhz wrote: Cool enough.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel
I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous).
Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!"
Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way.
Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2.
Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFel
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@Bluelightz why is everyone in the town green or null to you? It's obvious that your three null tells are the people you are suspicious of, but you don't seem keen on accusing them in any way. If you had to pick one person, who would you push?
@Sentinel I thought your post was leading into a case on Nisani, but you sort of shifted the focus onto BF. I don't really follow your case; you say Nisani is lurking / not providing reasons, but pass over him in favor of BF, who you attribute the same reasons toward. You do state that "As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow.", but how does this make BF more suspicious? Basically I'm just wondering how you are distinguishing BF and Nisani, as atm you're applying the same characteristics to both.
Still in classes, will put up meatier posts tonight.
Also, lol at the phrase "TheToast's posts" haha
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I agree. We can't afford to mislynch today.
If we all think that it would be safer to kill BaronFel, I'll switch my vote to him.
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On February 09 2012 03:08 EchelonTee wrote: Also, lol at the phrase "TheToast's posts" haha
TheToast is the host with the most boast to post from coast to coast.
Also, due to some personal stuff (job interview!) and some other stuff I'm working on I'm probably not going to have time to post my full analysis until tomorrow afternoon (US time). So I'm not lurking, just busy
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On February 09 2012 03:08 EchelonTee wrote: @Bluelightz why is everyone in the town green or null to you? It's obvious that your three null tells are the people you are suspicious of, but you don't seem keen on accusing them in any way. If you had to pick one person, who would you push?
@Sentinel I thought your post was leading into a case on Nisani, but you sort of shifted the focus onto BF. I don't really follow your case; you say Nisani is lurking / not providing reasons, but pass over him in favor of BF, who you attribute the same reasons toward. You do state that "As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow.", but how does this make BF more suspicious? Basically I'm just wondering how you are distinguishing BF and Nisani, as atm you're applying the same characteristics to both.
Still in classes, will put up meatier posts tonight.
Also, lol at the phrase "TheToast's posts" haha
I was going to lynch Nisani, and was going to say why he's a better lynch than BaronFel, but after a read through the latter's filter, I felt like I had more to argue for Baron and bought my own argument. I didn't delete Nisani's bit for stenographical reasons.
Also, a lot of my voting has been reactionary. Timeaisis is voting for me and not good enough reason, I automatically assume he's scum and trying to bandwagon on a mislynch. I think I don't have enough to argue Nisani other than "he wants me dead" and "he REALLY wants me dead", unlike Baron who I have an impartial argument against.
Maybe Nisani really IS scum, but he's got less chance of being one.
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Can people please vote for the person they currently think should be lynched. If town just sits around instead of committing then we can't force scum to commit either.
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Fun-fact: Student Mafia had 27 pages at the end of day1. This game has 27 pages at the end of day3.
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Okay Student Mafia has Blazinghand, but still.
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@EchelonTee Why do you care whether I push Nisani201 or not today? I asked you who you want to lynch and you don't even answer "Nisani201" because then I would be able to follow you, but instead you answer that you don't really know. At the beginning of day3 you of all people in this game don't know who to lynch. What the hell is that about?
@BaronFel What is this?
On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote: [...] If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. [...] That makes no sense at all. You believe I'm the vig because I shot sinani201? That's some backwards logic right there. I have no idea what to make of that.
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@Bluelightz Who do you want to lynch? Like, can you actually write a name in red or something all this green/black stuff is not helping anybody. By not having an opinion you make it easier for scum not to have an opinion either which is bad. We want their opinions so we can hold them up against them later if they start becoming irrational.
@Nisan201 Why don't you make any sense at all?
Things you've said that do not make sense in my brain: 1: prplhz is a good scumhunter. I doubt you believe this because it's not true. I'm like maybe mid gold league and I've never played well in any game you've been in and I've never seen you in any observer QT. 2: You have not been vocal or decided to have any thread presence because 1, yet you don't really act like you truly believe 1. You didn't support me in ANYTHING this whole game. I would actually have pushed you day2 but I thought it would be weird to shoot sinani206 and then push Nisani201. No idea where I got this idea from. 3: You only ever do anything when called out. Your cases on BaronFel and [UoN]Sentinel are like, meh, you could have pushed those at any point in this game because they took you maybe 2 minutes to write up. I've seen you do a lot better but in this game you don't seem to really give a damn.
And can't you at least make up some bullshit reason for not giving us sinani201? He was so obvious and you've played with him more and know him better than anybody else here. I had to read through of his games (I didn't count SEVEN FUCKING TEEN by the way) night1 but you were in all those, why didn't you give us sinani201?
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@prplhz
You said you killed sinani, no one countered the claim, my suspicion was already easing up on you, so I really had no reason to think you weren't who you claimed to be (vig).
@Nisani
I lurked for most of the game, I think everyone has agreed with that. I'm trying to be more active, but I really only post when I have something I can contribute (even if it's just an opinion/feeling about someone).
I don't see how trying to be impartial is a bad thing? We could've tried to play this game with random lynchings and gone with our gut, but most people are trying to logically post. If I was impartial, that would mean I would look over someones argument just cause I didn't agree with them at the start...
Funny enough, that was the main reason I was looking at Sinensis, I didn't think he was logical/partial enough.
@Bluelightz
Sorry, I'm trying to post more, and wanted to let you know that I intended to post (which explains why I told you I'd be back later). The second I have a very strong suspicion of someone, I will come out and say it. So far, I've felt like Vilonis on d1, and prplhz after n1 were townies. I haven't had super strong conviction on any scum, but I thought Sinensis was hurting our chances by listing off random (or it felt random at least) other members.
And as I said, I try to avoid repeating what someone has said, even if I agree on point with what they've said.
I never said Toast was suspicious, I said he can be aggressive, which can throw people off or give himself false heat (people will respond in kind and try to get blame onto him). I was saying, even though he can be aggressive, i wasn't going to vote for him unless I heard better reasoning.
@Sentinel
I voted for Timeaisis because it was obvious Sinensis (my original suspect) was not going to get voted, and we only had a short amount of time left (~2 or so hours I think). I know we wanted to get a vote in, and so out of the two suspects, I felt Timeaisis was the most suspicious.
I'm sure you can find in my history I voted for Sinensis day 1, and repeated my suspicions of him...
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I'm going to keep with my original suspicion and vote Nisani. I think his posts today have made me more suspicious of him (even if he didn't have me as the second target). It feels as though he knows his argument against us isn't that strong and so he's trying to quickly push the votes and focus on to someone else since he knows people were looking at him n2.
##Vote: Nisani201
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@BaronFel Why is it scummy that he's trying to get focus onto someone else? Why would a townie not do this and why would a scum do it?
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Out of the 3 Nulls, BaronFel & Nisani201 are suspicious. BaronFel could easily be town though.
I'm going to vote Nisani for now.
Why?
1). Because he has contributed little. 2).Because he's been lurking and as prp pointed out he only comes back when he's called out
##Vote: Nisani201
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@Bluelightz
Why is BaronFel suspicious?
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@prp as I said in my short analysis on 1 of his post's, he is lurking hardcore, barely helped town. But, the way he post's is doesnt seem scummy, so he could also easily be town though.
I'm in school btw so my post's will be random for now
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On February 09 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote: @Bluelightz Who do you want to lynch? Like, can you actually write a name in red or something all this green/black stuff is not helping anybody. By not having an opinion you make it easier for scum not to have an opinion either which is bad. We want their opinions so we can hold them up against them later if they start becoming irrational.
@Nisan201 Why don't you make any sense at all?
Things you've said that do not make sense in my brain: 1: prplhz is a good scumhunter. I doubt you believe this because it's not true. I'm like maybe mid gold league and I've never played well in any game you've been in and I've never seen you in any observer QT. 2: You have not been vocal or decided to have any thread presence because 1, yet you don't really act like you truly believe 1. You didn't support me in ANYTHING this whole game. I would actually have pushed you day2 but I thought it would be weird to shoot sinani206 and then push Nisani201. No idea where I got this idea from. 3: You only ever do anything when called out. Your cases on BaronFel and [UoN]Sentinel are like, meh, you could have pushed those at any point in this game because they took you maybe 2 minutes to write up. I've seen you do a lot better but in this game you don't seem to really give a damn.
And can't you at least make up some bullshit reason for not giving us sinani201? He was so obvious and you've played with him more and know him better than anybody else here. I had to read through of his games (I didn't count SEVEN FUCKING TEEN by the way) night1 but you were in all those, why didn't you give us sinani201? 1. You landed a vig shot on Sinani on N1. 2. This is a defect in my town play. Look at any of my games and you'll see that it's natural for me to be somewhat lurky/less vocal. 3. See #2
I will be writing an analysis on Sentinel later today (or tomorrow if I don't have enough time). I agree that I haven't been as active as I should be but that will change.
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On February 09 2012 07:51 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee Why do you care whether I push Nisani201 or not today? I asked you who you want to lynch and you don't even answer "Nisani201" because then I would be able to follow you, but instead you answer that you don't really know. At the beginning of day3 you of all people in this game don't know who to lynch. What the hell is that about?
You sounded very sure that you wanted to push Nisani, but then voted with him, so I was confused; it doesn't seem so strange now that I think about why you would do that. Why do you want to "follow" me? I've been producing shit reads; I don't want to be hasty with this.
I really don't understand Bluelightz posting style, and Toast hasn't posted as much as I thought he was going to. It's 2AM right now and I feel terrible; I know I said I was going to post meaty shiz tonight but I just can't. I'll do it tomorrow early as possible.
On February 09 2012 07:18 prplhz wrote: Can people please vote for the person they currently think should be lynched. If town just sits around instead of committing then we can't force scum to commit either.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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On February 09 2012 11:54 Bluelightz wrote: @prp as I said in my short analysis on 1 of his post's, he is lurking hardcore, barely helped town. But, the way he post's is doesnt seem scummy, so he could also easily be town though.
I'm in school btw so my post's will be random for now
you've barely been helping town too. why should anyone think that you're innocent? you've displayed scummy traits; only reason you were passed over was that other people were acting worse.
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Oh, missed that Toast said he would be busy until tomorrow. mbad
On February 09 2012 08:55 BaronFel wrote: @Nisani [...] I don't see how trying to be impartial is a bad thing? We could've tried to play this game with random lynchings and gone with our gut, but most people are trying to logically post. If I was impartial, that would mean I would look over someones argument just cause I didn't agree with them at the start...
Funny enough, that was the main reason I was looking at Sinensis, I didn't think he was logical/partial enough.
?? This doesn't make sense at all. I think you don't know what impartial means..? "Going with our gut" =/= partiality, and being against someone's character =/= impartiality... Nisani is referring to the fact that you haven't been making hard stands on people, do you have anything to say about that?
Nisani's point is funny though:
On February 08 2012 12:53 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 23:02 BaronFel wrote: After looking through Nisani201's filter, I think he's rather suspicious (short posts, didn't explain his decisions much). He's probably my main suspect at this point.
Mderg seems like a townie to me, or at least rather logical.
EchelonTee is rather aggressive, but I don't think that makes him more suspicious than Nisani201 at this point.
gotta go to work, but I'll be back later tonight Also make me think he's scum. He tries to be as impartial as possible with everything.
Doesn't BaronFel's post look a lot like:
On February 08 2012 06:58 mderg wrote: Just a general not that well reasoned list of reads: Bluelightz IMO rather town than scum, not safe to assume, though EchelonTee IMO suspicious but no serious suspicion TheToast IMO rather town than scum but not confirmed Nisani201 IMO rather scum than town, my first target [UoN]Sentinel IMO hard to imagine as scum BaronFel IMO not cleared my feeling tells me that he´s town prplhz pretty much confirmed town
I really want to see your case on Sentinel, but your case on BF is just saying he is newbie lurker, a counterpart of how you're an experienced/abrasive lurker. Take your stance on Sentinel, if you actually have one.
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I'm back guys, anyway to start some discussion
What do you guys think of BaronFel & [UoN]Sentinel?Are they town?Are they scum?
I'm also going to share my thoughts on them aswell
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@prplhz
By itself it may not be suspicious, but the night before his name was being said a lot, and then today he seems really jumpy put the focus on to others rather then defending himself. That just makes him more suspicious to me. Perhaps its the wrong feeling to have but that's just my take on it.
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United States22154 Posts
About 12 hours left in the day! [UoN]Sentinel is currently leading, but no one has a majority yet!
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Right now,
BaronFel could easily be Town, the way he post's his opinions make me think he is town for now.
Sentinel, could be town as well, looking at this post is what makes me have mixed opinions on him.
On February 07 2012 07:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I wish I were. Maybe then I could have some fun.
That's the end of it. I will be available somewhere around 3 hours before the deadline and be here for aroun d30 minutes maybe, but can't be sure :/
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On February 09 2012 22:38 BaronFel wrote: @prplhz
By itself it may not be suspicious, but the night before his name was being said a lot, and then today he seems really jumpy put the focus on to others rather then defending himself. That just makes him more suspicious to me. Perhaps its the wrong feeling to have but that's just my take on it. If the act in itself may not be suspicious, what made you more suspicious of him? Can you get more text-wally, maybe write a bigger post on him, and I don't necessarily mean post-by-post-analysis, but try to make this "feeling", this "take on it" that you have more understandable to other townies.
What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them?
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Dunno who I'll vote, I'm just spamming now really 'cause I think it would be a shame if day3 ended on page 27.
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On February 10 2012 00:23 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, BaronFel could easily be Town, the way he post's his opinions make me think he is town for now. Sentinel, could be town as well, looking at this post is what makes me have mixed opinions on him. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 07 2012 06:34 prplhz wrote: You the last scum [UoN]Sentinel? I wish I were. Maybe then I could have some fun. That's the end of it. I will be available somewhere around 3 hours before the deadline and be here for aroun d30 minutes maybe, but can't be sure :/
do you realize that saying everyone is green is GOOD for mafia?? are you intentionally or unintentionally avoiding the topic of who you want to lynch.
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@Bluelightz face it, scum isn't showing anything promising and this game's got more lurkers than a brood war ZvT. Sometimes we need jokes to keep ourselves sane.
Sorry prplhz, no quadruple post for you.
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@Nisani you've been promising to write your analysis for maybe 2 days now? Where is this magic analysis?
Until then, to accelerate the process,
##Vote: Nisani201
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Sentinel/Nisani are on chopping black atm, both are accusing each other, yet neither have anything substantial to say about it. Guess no one cares about this game n e moar
On February 09 2012 12:50 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote: @Nisan201 Why don't you make any sense at all?
Things you've said that do not make sense in my brain: 1: prplhz is a good scumhunter. I doubt you believe this because it's not true. I'm like maybe mid gold league and I've never played well in any game you've been in and I've never seen you in any observer QT. 2: You have not been vocal or decided to have any thread presence because 1, yet you don't really act like you truly believe 1. You didn't support me in ANYTHING this whole game. I would actually have pushed you day2 but I thought it would be weird to shoot sinani206 and then push Nisani201. No idea where I got this idea from. 3: You only ever do anything when called out. Your cases on BaronFel and [UoN]Sentinel are like, meh, you could have pushed those at any point in this game because they took you maybe 2 minutes to write up. I've seen you do a lot better but in this game you don't seem to really give a damn.
And can't you at least make up some bullshit reason for not giving us sinani201? He was so obvious and you've played with him more and know him better than anybody else here. I had to read through of his games (I didn't count SEVEN FUCKING TEEN by the way) night1 but you were in all those, why didn't you give us sinani201? 1. You landed a vig shot on Sinani on N1. 2. This is a defect in my town play. Look at any of my games and you'll see that it's natural for me to be somewhat lurky/less vocal. 13. See #2 2I will be writing an analysis on Sentinel later today (or tomorrow if I don't have enough time). I agree that I haven't been as active as I should be but that will change.
1. It's true that you always play lurky and unvocal; however in this scenario you haven't really been making sense, along with lurking. In the games I read, you facilitate discussion by prodding inactives/people making no sense, ask probing questions, etc. You did that for D1 a bit, but tapered off severely D2. It gives off a huge vibe of "townies getting lynched, idgaf".
2. being lurky doesn't mean you're bad at scumhunting; in MLP Mafia you busted out a huge, correct analysis when the time came for it; are you unable/unwilling to do so now?
I'm going to be back home 4 hours before the deadline. hopefully ppls start making sense by then.
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Everyone calm the fuck down. The analysis is in the workings. I promised the analysis last night, not 2 days ago. Holy shit you guys are impatient.
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Sentinel
Our analysis on Sentinel begins with this post from Sinesis, a flipped townie.
On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote: A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb,
As I mentioned earlier, this post is stupid, but not something that scum would do.
Bluelightz votes for him but then pulls back before any opposition. That's why I don't count him in this. prplhz votes for him. Sentinel, who sees that a townie supports this lynch, votes for Sinesis with this post:
On February 02 2012 20:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote + We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
I'm sold. ##Vote: Sinensis
I was able to get some votes on Sentinel because of this post, but I withdrew the case because I thought he was being active, and because I didn't think it would be fair to make a case on him off of one post as long as he was being an active townie.
However, I now realize that his posts had a lot of fluff in them. Look at this:
On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this.
Mafia love to make posts like these. It's information that everyone has. A textbook exaple of contributing without contributing.
His next relevant post comes later, where he votes for Timeaisis.
On February 03 2012 09:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote:On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote: Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote: Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now. So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me. Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point. Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then, ##Vote: Timeaisis
His vote here is very similar to the vote he made on Sinesis on D1. I voted Timeaisis too, but I did it much later when there was a lot more evidence and analysis on him. This kind of latching on to Timeaisis is very scummy to me, and it should be to anyone else.
He later builds on the case with this post.
On February 04 2012 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes.
That's a little something called "school". I woke up and went there today. Show nested quote + Timeaisis:
Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis!
I'm sorry, what is this? If everyone else suspected me sans the three of us and Echelon, that would be 8 votes on me. I'd be dead. There are only 5 votes on me which means that 7 people think I'm either innocent or not important enough to be lynched. This is why I feel like I have a more legitimate beef - when I voted, I pointed out exactly which part made me suspicious. You on the other hand went "herp derp that guy voted for Sentinel so I'm voting for Sentinel". I might have bandwagoned but at least I gave a little bit of evidence (the paragraph I quoted) while you gave absolutely zero other than some other guy voted for him. I don't even understand why I'm getting all these votes as a result of this. Show nested quote + Then he says:
Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first.
Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
"Sentinel, the one who was bandwagoned second. Then soon after that FoS, a shitload of lynches, an interesting post by prplhz and EchelonTree, probably because everyone thinks we're stirring up trouble when really these votes are unjustified in such numbers." And you voted me for going to school. Show nested quote + There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three?
Why are you only suspecting us three when at least time warrants suspicion? Show nested quote + And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.
Bandwagon is jumping onto a conclusion with little to no original evidence. I had little, timeaisis had no. This is the central topic of this discussion. Everyone understands the word in this game as approximately that definition, so there is no problem. Show nested quote + And lastly, Toast:
We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.
50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted" and some people can't get it into their heads that I. Am. Not. A. Scum. And before people say I'm going silent again, this is my game plan: It is now 4:00 EST. Between 4:25 EST and 8:30 EST I will be busy due to swim practice. So if anybody's wondering why I'm lurking, here's your answer. [/b]
This is sort of a mix between a defense and an analysis, but upon closer inspection, you can see that it doesn't actually have much evidence against Timeaisis. So the case is still very weak.
Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie.
Day 2 comes, and Sentinel decides to repeat D1 by voting Sinesis for a stupid reason.
On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote: ##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post.
On February 05 2012 13:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ##Vote: Sinensis
There is also another post that I find interesting. Here it is. Voting for this idiot.
On February 05 2012 13:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Sinensis, pretty much everything you've said up to this point incriminates me, Bluelightz, and prplhz. Now that prplhz is confirmed townie, and I'm fairly in the green, what have you to say? "fairly in the green." I can see the inherent guilt. Just an interesting scumslip.
On February 05 2012 14:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have my final defense ready if it comes to that today. More inherent guilt here, though I suppose that this isn't as strong as the last one because it's possible for a townie to do this too.
He makes this post which is full of WIFOM goodness.
There's also this post, which has a lot of bullshit in it. Ill go through it (commentary in green).
On February 08 2012 20:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 02:20 Nisani201 wrote: Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter. This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it. I've explained my reasoning before, so you're either ignoring it or you haven't read the thread. Both are anti-town.His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner. Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense. Show nested quote +I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make.
I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town. Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined. You lead the case against Timeaisis and you didn't like Sinesis. Stop trying to justify those lynches.Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel BaronFel isn't mentioned anywhere in this post.Show nested quote +I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!" Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way. Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2. Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFelThe last good part of the analysis. I quite like that you're attacking BaronFel. It will make for good WIFOM when you flip red.
On February 10 2012 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: @Nisani you've been promising to write your analysis for maybe 2 days now? Where is this magic analysis?
Until then, to accelerate the process,
##Vote: Nisani201 This is the same kind of behavior that he demonstrated at the beginning of D1 and D2. Voting people for stupid reasons.
Let's end this. Vote [UoN]Sentinel.
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Actually, I guess lynching Sentinel wouldn't end it, since there would be one more scum to kill. But you get the idea
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On February 10 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote:SentinelI was able to get some votes on Sentinel because of this post, but I withdrew the case because I thought he was being active, and because I didn't think it would be fair to make a case on him off of one post as long as he was being an active townie. However, I now realize that his posts had a lot of fluff in them. Look at this: Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Mafia love to make posts like these. It's information that everyone has. A textbook exaple of contributing without contributing.
1. Timeaisis was lynched for fluffing. Sinensis was lynched for semi-fluffing. Tell me, what was the alignment of these two players again?
2. This was a) a justification of why I voted the way I did, b) why a mislynch is worse than a no-lynch if we have absolutely no good leads, and c) I'm tired so I can't think of a hedonist-proof plan.
His next relevant post comes later, where he votes for Timeaisis. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote:On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote: Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote: Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now. So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me. Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point. Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then, ##Vote: Timeaisis His vote here is very similar to the vote he made on Sinesis on D1. I voted Timeaisis too, but I did it much later when there was a lot more evidence and analysis on him. This kind of latching on to Timeaisis is very scummy to me, and it should be to anyone else.
This is the post that Nisani voted for Time as a result of:
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Notice something? Oh right, that's also the basis of my entire argument against Timeaisis (peace be upon). I made said argument, and many people either voiced their concerns or sided with/against me, before Nisani posted this pathetic analysis:
On February 04 2012 09:18 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to.
Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him.
##Unvote
Your justification is that in the 8 minutes you wrote your post you didn't know that everyone unvoted Sentinel. I think this is just trying to scoot out the back door because nobody else really had too much to ride me on. And a quick switch to Timeaisis to get him lynched.
However, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead. ##Vote: Timeaisis
I voted for Timeaisis and defended my vote, as well as my life, with many arguments. Nothing in this paragraph has been said before, other than the "overblowing" part. And that isn't overblowing. That's an argument. He posted it, moved on to defend himself for the other crap we were accusing him of.
He later builds on the case with this post. Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote: so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes.
That's a little something called "school". I woke up and went there today. Timeaisis:
Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis!
I'm sorry, what is this? If everyone else suspected me sans the three of us and Echelon, that would be 8 votes on me. I'd be dead. There are only 5 votes on me which means that 7 people think I'm either innocent or not important enough to be lynched. This is why I feel like I have a more legitimate beef - when I voted, I pointed out exactly which part made me suspicious. You on the other hand went "herp derp that guy voted for Sentinel so I'm voting for Sentinel". I might have bandwagoned but at least I gave a little bit of evidence (the paragraph I quoted) while you gave absolutely zero other than some other guy voted for him. I don't even understand why I'm getting all these votes as a result of this. Then he says:
Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first.
Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
"Sentinel, the one who was bandwagoned second. Then soon after that FoS, a shitload of lynches, an interesting post by prplhz and EchelonTree, probably because everyone thinks we're stirring up trouble when really these votes are unjustified in such numbers." Sinensis:
You however have not voted logically all game
And you voted me for going to school. There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three?
Why are you only suspecting us three when at least time warrants suspicion? And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.
Bandwagon is jumping onto a conclusion with little to no original evidence. I had little, timeaisis had no. This is the central topic of this discussion. Everyone understands the word in this game as approximately that definition, so there is no problem. And lastly, Toast:
We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.
50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted" and some people can't get it into their heads that I. Am. Not. A. Scum. And before people say I'm going silent again, this is my game plan: It is now 4:00 EST. Between 4:25 EST and 8:30 EST I will be busy due to swim practice. So if anybody's wondering why I'm lurking, here's your answer. This is sort of a mix between a defense and an analysis, but upon closer inspection, you can see that it doesn't actually have much evidence against Timeaisis. So the case is still very weak. [/b]
Yes. A defense. Note that before Timeaisis (peace be upon him) got lynched, everyone wanted to vote for me! So what do you do to not get guillotined? Defend! Any analysis was also done as defense, or to counter people's arguments when I saw them as bullshit.
Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie. The irony of the boldface clause will become apparent upon my death.
Day 2 comes, and Sentinel decides to repeat D1 by voting Sinesis for a stupid reason. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote: ##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ##Vote: Sinensis
There is also another post that I find interesting. Here it is. Voting for this idiot. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Sinensis, pretty much everything you've said up to this point incriminates me, Bluelightz, and prplhz. Now that prplhz is confirmed townie, and I'm fairly in the green, what have you to say? "fairly in the green." I can see the inherent guilt. Just an interesting scumslip.
How in the name of the Emperor is that a scumslip? I was RED up until shortly before Timeaisis got lynched, I'm happy now because people now see me more as GREEN
On February 05 2012 14:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have my final defense ready if it comes to that today. More inherent guilt here, though I suppose that this isn't as strong as the last one because it's possible for a townie to do this too.
He makes this post which is full of WIFOM goodness.
Those two sentences... I don't know if I should be laughing or punching something in anger. Probably the first since it will save me money and sanity.
My "final defense" has a good chance of painting a big target on my back, I'm only going to do it if I'm slated for death already.
As for the WIFOM, the conversation leading to that post went like this.
Me: I'm bored, nobody's posting, I have nothing to analyze. Others: Well go analyze by yourself. Me: Okay, here's my thoughts on why they're this way.
If you had a problem with this, then you should have said it right then and there instead of posting one liners about how much you want me to die.
There's also this post, which has a lot of bullshit in it. Ill go through it (commentary in green).
Makes my job a little harder, I'm quoting all of this, but it's manageable.
On February 08 2012 20:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 02:20 Nisani201 wrote: Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter. This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it. I've explained my reasoning before, so you're either ignoring it or you haven't read the thread. Both are anti-town.
Up to that point, I read your entire filter. Your "reasoning" in all of that filter was absolute shit.
His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner. Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense. Show nested quote +I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make.
I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town. Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined. You lead the case against Timeaisis and you didn't like Sinesis. Stop trying to justify those lynches. You bandwagoned on Timeaisis and me. What is your point?Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel BaronFel isn't mentioned anywhere in this post. It's right under your commentary. Sorry for not putting the name, I thought it was kind of obvious when I said it right before the quote.
Show nested quote +I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!" Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way. Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2. Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFelThe last good part of the analysis. I quite like that you're attacking BaronFel. It will make for good WIFOM when you flip red.
Reread my entire filter when I don't.
On February 10 2012 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: @Nisani you've been promising to write your analysis for maybe 2 days now? Where is this magic analysis?
Until then, to accelerate the process,
##Vote: Nisani201
This is the same kind of behavior that he demonstrated at the beginning of D1 and D2. Voting people for stupid reasons.
Let's end this. Vote [UoN]Sentinel.
Stupid as my reasons may be in hindsight, yours are already worse off.
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I'll be back around 8 to see what's up.
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Nisani is now.... DING DING DING DING Town! his latest contribution is preety good, I'm going to unvote him and put a placeholder vote for now.
##Unvote: Nisani201 ##Vote: No Lynch
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Do you mean that is was pretty long or that it was pretty good?
What parts made you think it was good?
If his case on [UoN]Sentinel is pretty good....................
......... ................ ......... ..................... .
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then why aren't you voting for [UoN]Sentinel?
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Okay lets just lynch Bluelightz.
I can't take this kind of crap any longer, sorry.
##Vote: Bluelightz
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EVERYBODY PILE ONTO BLUELIGHTZ
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##Unvote: No Lynch ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
prp umadbro? Anyway, this is my last act of day 3, can't post anymore after this.(can really, but after night post)
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Bluelightz did you even read my counterargument?
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sentinel isn't scum come on
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On February 10 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote: Okay lets just lynch Bluelightz.
I can't take this kind of crap any longer, sorry.
##Vote: Bluelightz
I take it back, if you think bluelightz is scum then I must have been wrong about him all along :D :D
I'm going to read through everything in just a bit and make my vote, sorry for lack or participation (stupid real life!). It doesn't look like my vote is going to matter much though...
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How about BaronFel?
We could lynch BaronFel.
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One hour to lynch, no one has a majority yet
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On February 10 2012 10:45 prplhz wrote: How about BaronFel?
We could lynch BaronFel.
lol. I don't know that I would be opposed to this.
I'm going over both Sentinel and Nisani's filters right now. It looks like my vote could swing the lynch against Sentinel, and the two of us could lynch Nisani. We still have just under an hour, gimme some time here, long post incoming.
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No more text walls please. Just say what's on your mind. All of your text walls so far have been grasping at straws and I can't read another one.
Just tell me what you think and why. Don't quote somebody's entire filter and point out something shallow and conclude that he's scum/town/whatever fits your plan.
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On February 10 2012 11:12 prplhz wrote: No more text walls please. Just say what's on your mind. All of your text walls so far have been grasping at straws and I can't read another one.
Just tell me what you think and why. Don't quote somebody's entire filter and point out something shallow and conclude that he's scum/town/whatever fits your plan.
Yeah, the first one was already too unbearable.
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Alright, let's state with Nisani.
Only 27 posts in this entire thread, not much to go on here.
Nisani started out day one with his brief and unexplained vote on Sentinel, saying basically that his bandwagoning against Sinesis is what made him suspicious. Of course this was bizarre since Bluelightz was actually the one who started the wagon against Sentinel. Nisani came back with this to say:
On February 04 2012 09:18 Nisani201 wrote:Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to. Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him. ##UnvoteHowever, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead. ##Vote: Timeaisis
Claims he was testing Sentinel, and that he decided to back off because his posts seemed clean. Okay, fair enough. He says his next target is now Time for "being too aggressive". Check Time's filter, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Doesn't mention a thing again until after Day 1.
After the Sinesis stuff of Day 2, Nisani comes back with this:
On February 06 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote: OMFG, today is pretty much a fucking repeat of yesterday. Sinesis does something stupid, Sentinel votes him, then Bluelightz wants us to do something that would benefit scum.
prplhz is confirmed town, so no one should be voting him. I am really tempted to vote for Sentinel right now but I'll wait to see if anything else comes up.
Big FoS: sentinel
On February 07 2012 12:29 Nisani201 wrote: We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story.
His basic logic here is that Sentinel's attack on Sinesis makes him scummy. Terrible reasoning, but it seems to me that scum would actively be encouraging an attack on a townie...
On February 07 2012 06:06 Nisani201 wrote: Alright, I have decided that I will vote Sentinel. I understand why people don't like Sinesis, but I just can't imagine him being scum.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Big deal right here. Why would scum be defending a townie against a bandwagon???? That makes no sense at all. Nisani has been focusing on Sentinel since day 1, he has been at the opposite ends of the bandwagon against a townie twice, he has not been trying to manipulate the town in any way. His analysis against Sentinel looks pretty good too. Either he is the worst scum player in the history of Mafia, or he is pretty damn confirmed town.
Not saying I agree with him about Sentinel yet, but no way I'm supporting a Nisani lynch tonight. Few more posts incoming, I'm trying to split these up so others actually have time to read what I'm writing before the deadline.
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Dude.
He isn't defending [UoN]Sentinel. Then he would be yelling and screaming and telling everybody else to get their votes off him. He is saying "I don't think he's scum" with no analysis at all. This is what scum do so they don't have to vote for townies. He is saying it for town credit. Isn't that infinitely obvious to anyone?
What do you mean either "worst scum" or "confirmed townie"? That doesn't make any sense at all, and furthermore, you're not concluding anything right now and it's 30 mins before deadline on a day where nobody is around. Don't you see how ludicrous this is?
What do you know about the "history of mafia"? How many games did you play and where?
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Went back to look and see who started this nonsense against Nisani, guess whose name I found there? Yup, BaronFel. His reasoning:
After looking through Nisani201's filter, I think he's rather suspicious (short posts, didn't explain his decisions much). He's probably my main suspect at this point.
Or at least this is the only reasoning I could find given. What the hell is this? Did he even read Nisani's filter? Never attempted to make any analysis of Nisani's vote against Sentinel, never attempted to analyze any of Nisani's posts at all.
It's interesting how much more active BaronFel became after Sinani was lost on Day1. Still supremely lurking though. Remember what I said a while back that new mafia players are going to have a tendency to lurk? Most are going to lurk out of fear of slipping up.
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous).
I feel like a complete idiot for not catching this one before. A complete stupid idiot. ET in his bad analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appeared once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad.
For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. This has bandwagon-starting (is that a thing? who cares no time!) written all over it.
Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD)
Missed this mess of a reasoning too. Damnit.
By itself it may not be suspicious, but the night before his name was being said a lot, and then today he seems really jumpy put the focus on to others rather then defending himself. That just makes him more suspicious to me. Perhaps its the wrong feeling to have but that's just my take on it.
Here's the rest of the "reason" on Nisani. Does he look "jumpy" to anyone else? How do we even tell that on a forum???
Bottom line Baron is looking good as scum.
Interesting that the ONLY other person voting against Nisani right now is [UoN]Sentinel. Looking at him next, if votes stay where they are right now, I very well may make #4 on Sentinel, but let me read through his filter first.
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On February 10 2012 11:32 prplhz wrote: Dude.
He isn't defending [UoN]Sentinel. Then he would be yelling and screaming and telling everybody else to get their votes off him. He is saying "I don't think he's scum" with no analysis at all. This is what scum do so they don't have to vote for townies. He is saying it for town credit. Isn't that infinitely obvious to anyone?
What do you mean either "worst scum" or "confirmed townie"? That doesn't make any sense at all, and furthermore, you're not concluding anything right now and it's 30 mins before deadline on a day where nobody is around. Don't you see how ludicrous this is?
What do you know about the "history of mafia"? How many games did you play and where?
Sorry didn't explain that well in my haste.
I was talking about Nisani defending Sinesis in that post. He says quite clearly--in the midst of a bandwagon--that Sinesis isn't scum and we should be focusing elsewhere. Why would scum do that now that we can confirm Sinesis was town?
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I have only sided with Baron as of recent, and only because I believe Nisani's logic sucks.
I was also the first to vote him today.
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On February 10 2012 11:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have only sided with Baron as of recent, and only because I believe Nisani's logic sucks.
I was also the first to vote him today.
You're not helping the case against yourself.
Still looking through your filter, I may change my mind. But in case I miss the deadline:
Vote [UoN]Sentinel
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well crap. 20 mins to deadline. not like I fell asleep or whatever. reading, will post final thoughts at -10 mins.
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DAMNIT
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
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If the act in itself may not be suspicious, what made you more suspicious of him? Can you get more text-wally, maybe write a bigger post on him, and I don't necessarily mean post-by-post-analysis, but try to make this "feeling", this "take on it" that you have more understandable to other townies.
I don't mean the act is not suspicious, I mean that by itself it wouldn't necessarily make me jump out and say "SCUM!". For example, getting life insurance for your wife isn't suspicious. Getting it before your wife mysteriously dies is type of deal (not to that extreme though in this instance).
What's been said about Nisani has been my feeling. He doesn't post his reasoning very often, yet still does a lot of accusations. (Of course, he only just recently posted a big analysis, which really just him accusing sentinel of fluff (ironic) and voting for the two town lynches (which a majority of us obviously had to...))
What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them?
I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone.
TheToast has posted a lot (which is considered a good thing as shown by me being voted and him not) and has been pretty logical, although sometime's aggressive in his beliefs. I really have no real reason to think he's scum at all.
Echelon is also somewhat aggressive in his approach, but he also calls out everyone (similar to you) in their arguments (his last few posts he's counter argued me, nisani, bluelightz, and a bit to you). I am leaning town with him as well.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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God I am an idiot today.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
# sign, check colon, check bold, check spelling, check
Okay, I think I have it this time.
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keep trying.
how about Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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I like how you just pick out one part of my post to reply to
and then your reply is asking a question I am answering in that very same part
meanwhile ignoring everything else
and still not concluding anything
no votes or anything
20 mins before deadline
when we're facing no lynch
which is great for scum because then we have to go through a shitty day like this TWICE MORE
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oh i fucked up too lol
but you finally got it
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Sentinel didn't you say you had a "final defense"? or something? was that it?
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I'm not too sure about Sentinel yet, and no time for a in depth analysis. Who all would favor lynching Baron instead?
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what happens if no one has a majority?
##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: No Lynch
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On February 10 2012 11:49 EchelonTee wrote: what happens if no one has a majority?
No one is lynched ^_^
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A NO LYNCH HAPPENS
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER DAY LIKE THIS???????????????
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Well we did have a majority up until just then. I'm 50-50 on Sentinel though I think we really need a scum lynch tonight. I'm willing to take the gamble if you all are...
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Yea [UoN]Sentinel, what is that final defense of yours?
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I DON'T KNOW MAN why didn't you label your posts with who you were addressing. I feel like I'm cramming for a final exam or some shiz.
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On February 10 2012 11:50 prplhz wrote: A NO LYNCH HAPPENS
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER DAY LIKE THIS???????????????
Well if mafia kill you off I think it would be much more pleasant.
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##Unvote: No Lynch ##Vote: Bluelightz
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Last minute push:
##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: BaronFel
He's a confirmed scum IMO, no risk vote. GOGOGOGOG
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I've been claiming doctor whole time via stenography, maybe the mafia roleclaim thing gets in the way, but here's points for consistency.
On February 03 2012 06:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I am thinking FoS on Sinensis for reasons stated previously.
And Nisani... well, I see where he's coming from, but I find it a little bit odd that he found blue 100% green while finding me 100% because of the bandwagon. My vote was on Sinensis because of what we have to work with.
Day 1, all we have to work with is how people post their opinions, and how direct they are. Obviously fluff is a major issue here because posting something in 3 paragraphs that can be explained in 2 sentences. Combine that with a horrible idea (RNG for voting) and you got yourself a suspicious case.
"I am doc"
Who I healed first night:
On February 04 2012 11:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Perhaps we are in fact wrong about Timeaisis, but...
Rather mislynch a possible mafia (because let's face it, we're not all HIV-positive about Time being scum, but it's still pretty likely), even if we get into that sticky predicament that I predicted oh so long ago, than no lynch and sit on our thumbs instead.
Pulling two votes off of Time right now is risky, because it would cast suspicion on the two that do it. If the two mafias already bussed Time, then they're going to stay that way, and I think if someone just decided it wasn't worth the lynch, and then one of the mafias put in another vote, those two people would be suspected of collaborating as scum, and Time probably would be too.
Let's break down what our friend here can be. Imperial Timeaisis, or even worse, Blue Timeaisis dying today, means I'm probably fucked, and prplhz is joining me in that club since he's been backing me up. I'll repay that gratitude in the best way I can, because I don't know if you're scum or not but you let me survive the day, and I owe you that.
Hedonist Timeaisis means easy win for town, makes our detective that much stronger since there's pretty much nobody to block him from checking suspicious people. Unless, of course, mafia gets lucky and either finds him or shoots him. Other mafia is still good for town and can take away that power from mafia (unless he's goon, then it's another warm scumbody town can dispose of). In this case Detective just has to be smart, and check people who the scum wouldn't target with their hedonist.
EZ. (I can't think of a legitimate analysis/argument/support that starts with Z.)
"prplhz". I actually switched to Toast for a while, which is why I later kept telling him to chill, then back to prplhz.
On February 05 2012 13:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Well, Sinani's filter doesn't really incriminate anyone.
The only noticeable thing he did was vote for Bluelightz, which would be weird to throw him under the bus when the Bluelightz lynch wasn't being too discussed over.
For now, I'll save my vote.
Not really a secret, but I was suprised sinani was a scum and prplhz shot him for this.
And I did one for toast for night two.
On February 07 2012 20:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:These are five of Nisani's last six posts... all are saying lynch [UoN]Sentinel. Note that he was also the first to vote me Day 1, not prplhz, not Bluelightz (who was acting more suspicious at the time like toast said) but me. For bandwagoning. Of course then we killed Timeaisis for the same reason Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:03 mderg wrote: I can´t vote for Bluelightz... sinani had his vote on him day 1. I don´t think sinani would do that, if Bluelightz was scum. Sinani also hopped on the Sentinel bandwagon before, so I can´t think of Sentinel being scum. (sinani probably wasn´t aware of any danger to die, so it´s unlikely that he tried to confuse us with his votes) This leaves only 1 possible lynch candidate for today.
And you did not? IIRC your true reason for voting me was to "test" if I was scum, and you were passionately defending your case up until you said "Eh, too much effort to lynch this guy. So that leaves Echelon. TBH all I have on him is that his usually medium-to-large posts have turned into one-liners since the start of the day when Toast suspected on him.
Doing this all because:
On February 06 2012 19:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: If the doctor revealed himself, there would be nobody to save him.
And a last hint in my argument vs. Nisani:
On February 10 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote:
Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie.
[quote]On February 10 2012 06:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The irony of the boldface clause will become apparent upon my death.[quote]
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messed up that last quote tag.
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Sentinel if you are truely town get your vote the fuck off Nisani. He's a terrible town, not scum.
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Fair enough.
##Vote: BaronFel
Since there was concern that I'm working with him, this should at least cut down something.
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prplhz and ET, it's up to you guys now to decide what happens.
Believe it or not, it was your guys' arguments that moved me away from looking at Bluelightz...
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It's Bluelightz and anybody who doesn't vote him is autoscum.
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nisani/bluelightz/baron awol.
is no lynch terrible at not D1? We have to hammer bluelightz or BF now??
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On February 10 2012 11:58 prplhz wrote: It's Bluelightz and anybody who doesn't vote him is autoscum.
If a third pops on, I'll move my vote. If nothing else he is hurting town by muddying the waters.
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less than one minute, prplhz is nolynch now WORST SCENARIO EVER
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DO YOU WANT ANOTHER DAY LIKE THIS???
HAS THIS BEEN A GOOD DAY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO REPEAT???
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##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: BaronFel
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAAHHAHAHAHAHAH AHA H AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Night 3
"If your battle plan's working, it's probably a trap."
A day of heated arguing, punctuated by a last minute melee in the center of the room, with rifles and fists meeting in a bloody, painful clash, resulted in no major injuries, just a few broken limbs and a lot of blood. The remaining citizens quietly slunk back to their quarters, ready to ride out the night again.
Success is measured in blood, yours or your enemy's + Show Spoiler +On February 02 2012 08:11 ZBot wrote: Votecount for day 3. With seven alive it takes four to lynch.
Current votes:
BaronFel (2): [UoN]Sentinel, -[UoN]Sentinel, TheToast, [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, -[UoN]Sentinel
Bluelightz (2): prplhz, EchelonTee, -EchelonTee, [UoN]Sentinel
[UoN]Sentinel (2): Nisani201, prplhz, EchelonTee, -prplhz, Bluelightz, TheToast, -EchelonTee, -TheToast
Nisani201 (1): BaronFel, Bluelightz, [UoN]Sentinel, -Bluelightz, -[UoN]Sentinel
No Lynch (0): Bluelightz, -Bluelightz, EchelonTee, -EchelonTee
Not voting:
The Day deadline is at 2012-02-10 12:00:00. (It's over.)
A nolynch has occured. Night 3 has begun, send any night actions to both me and GM as usual.
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##Unvote: BaronFel ##Vote: Bluelightz
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THIS IS SO BAD
THIS IS SO SO SO SO BAD
THIS IS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN HAPPEN ON THIS FORUM
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We just voted red, could you please count it?
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OMFG PRPLHZ YOU WERE 1 SECOND TOO LATE AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I POSTED MY FINAL DEFENSE FOR NOTHING
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On February 10 2012 12:01 prplhz wrote: THIS IS SO BAD
THIS IS SO SO SO SO BAD
THIS IS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN HAPPEN ON THIS FORUM
Dude calm down before you get yourself banned from the Mafia forum.
If we want to win this though, we have to use Night 3 to agree on exactly who is Mafia. They still can only kill one tonight. However I have the strangest feeling that Bluelightz and BaronFel will both still be with us. FML.
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Wait, doesn't the timestamp on the post count for anything?
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On February 10 2012 12:02 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 12:01 prplhz wrote: THIS IS SO BAD
THIS IS SO SO SO SO BAD
THIS IS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN HAPPEN ON THIS FORUM Dude calm down before you get yourself banned from the Mafia forum. If we want to win this though, we have to use Night 3 to agree on exactly who is Mafia. They still can only kill one tonight. However I have the strangest feeling that Bluelightz and BaronFel will both still be with us. FML.
toast it's partially his fault, vote right after deadline, I think he's also condemning himself with that post. we can't keep subtly or un-subtly bashing each other, it causes teh disunity.
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Technically we both posted at 12:00 so yeah
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Anyways, I'm off to shower, I'll read everything once I get back.
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On February 10 2012 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I POSTED MY FINAL DEFENSE FOR NOTHING =/ I feel like an idiot for drawing it out of you, but your veiled blue claim was pretty obvious when you said "I have my final defense ready if it comes to it". I was never planning on hammering you for that reason, unless you were last man standing or some weird wifom nonsense happened.
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On February 10 2012 12:04 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 12:02 TheToast wrote:On February 10 2012 12:01 prplhz wrote: THIS IS SO BAD
THIS IS SO SO SO SO BAD
THIS IS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN HAPPEN ON THIS FORUM Dude calm down before you get yourself banned from the Mafia forum. If we want to win this though, we have to use Night 3 to agree on exactly who is Mafia. They still can only kill one tonight. However I have the strangest feeling that Bluelightz and BaronFel will both still be with us. FML. toast it's partially his fault, vote right after deadline, I think he's also condemning himself with that post. we can't keep subtly or un-subtly bashing each other, it causes teh disunity.
Well Day 3 wasn't a complete waste. I think we have a pretty clear idea of who is where now. I also think we have saved ourselves from a potential town lynch.
We have a whole 24 hours, I think this is enough time to figure out whose gotta die day 4.
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On February 10 2012 12:01 redFF wrote: TOO LATE BRO
epic troll ;(
i'm at fault for the (mostly) terrible day. said I would post meat on multiple occasions but didn't do shit. I'm a fckover yayaya
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On February 10 2012 12:06 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 12:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I POSTED MY FINAL DEFENSE FOR NOTHING =/ I feel like an idiot for drawing it out of you, but your veiled blue claim was pretty obvious when you said "I have my final defense ready if it comes to it". I was never planning on hammering you for that reason, unless you were last man standing or some weird wifom nonsense happened.
Well, I had 4 votes on me with 10 minutes to go, obviously the veiled claim wasn't enough or I've been really fucking up these last few days. Hopefully it's the first one
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Anyways, I have a free day tomorrow, and my Saturday is also clear, so I'll add as much as I can those two days.
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On February 10 2012 11:58 TheToast wrote: prplhz and ET, it's up to you guys now to decide what happens.
Believe it or not, it was your guys' arguments that moved me away from looking at Bluelightz...
Bluelightz wasn't actively dangerous which is why I stopped looking for a second. But he's essentially been lurking all game, while posting lists/blue speculation to make it look like he's not. my #1 scum prospect
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On February 10 2012 11:55 TheToast wrote: Sentinel if you are truely town get your vote the fuck off Nisani. He's a terrible town, not scum.
you sure? pushed Sentinel rly hard and hasn't done much else. irritatingly enough I can't distinguish scum lurking from weirdtownplay lurking
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BF: Doesn't think Bluelightz is scum.
Bluelightz: Opinion on BF: Suspicious-->Green--> Suspicious-->Green.
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On February 10 2012 12:50 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 11:55 TheToast wrote: Sentinel if you are truely town get your vote the fuck off Nisani. He's a terrible town, not scum. you sure? pushed Sentinel rly hard and hasn't done much else. irritatingly enough I can't distinguish scum lurking from weirdtownplay lurking
As I said in my very hastily written argument, Nisani's play would be counter productive for scum. Two days in a row he ignored major bandwagons on townies that resulted in lynches--even arguing against them in favor of Sentinel. Scum's goal is going to be to get a townie lynched; any townie. In the middle of the big bandwagon against Sinesis Nisani was basically saying, "no he's town, no way he could be mafia Sentinel is the one". This doesn't make any sense in the context of mafia. Why not push Time and Sinesis given that you blend in with the other townies doing the same? Why try to stop the bandwagon against them? What mafia have to gain from doing this?
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If there is another vigilante, you need to shoot someone. I don't care who it is; we need information. Even I'm willing to die if it will further my case against Sentinel/BaronFel
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On February 10 2012 14:21 Nisani201 wrote: If there is another vigilante, you need to shoot someone. I don't care who it is; we need information. Even I'm willing to die if it will further my case against Sentinel/BaronFel
you're saying sentinel is fakeclaiming?
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I skimmed through the last 4 pages and I guess I missed his claim. Forget what I said. I'll think this through.
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On February 10 2012 15:10 Nisani201 wrote: I skimmed through the last 4 pages and I guess I missed his claim. Forget what I said. I'll think this through.
Nisani, this makes me wonder how many other posts you have neglected to read. Also probably sheds some light on your crusade against Sentinel for this whole game.
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I skimmed it because there were a lot of pages to read. In the past, the thread wasn't moving as fast and I didn't skim.
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About 12 hours left in the night. Remember to get night actions to redff and I.
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Sorry guys for lurking the night away, I gotta sleep now, but will post some stuff later when I wake up.
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Activity? We need to start looking at lynch candidates for the Day.
Question: does anyone have any evidence that points to BaronFel being town?
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No.
I'm not going to be silent today and hope town gets anything going because that went pretty badly yesterday.
Since we're at LYLO we need to lynch scum, duh.
Lets lynch Nisani201 and BaronFel. Lets start with BaronFel.
If no one disagrees, can we make this INSTANT extended majority lynch?
@[UoN]Sentinel I can't believe you wanted to protect TheToast over me. But anyway, me and TheToast and possibly EchelonTee were the only options so it's not too shabby, but next time you should protect me in a similar situation. And I would have tried to stop your lynch (and succeeded) right after Nisani201's analysis if you hadn't been straight up admitting to "dicking around". I just couldn't make myself speak up for a guy who was just "dicking around".
You protect offensively tonight by the way, but not BaronFel. There are no more vigilantes so the only hit you can block is the scum hit and if you do that we can lynch Nisani201, BaronFel and Bluelightz and I'm pretty sure last two scum are among them. But you're probably going to get hit tonight so, whatever, but if you can block the hit then we're in a great position.
If there is another vigilante he should shoot BaronFel.
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On February 11 2012 03:03 prplhz wrote:
If no one disagrees, can we make this INSTANT extended majority lynch?
I'm not going to change the format midgame, if you want to switch to a 24/24 schedule, then I need a PM from every player in the game requesting it ^_^
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TBH I doubt there's another vigilante, unless the number and type are both randomly selected for blue roles.
Tonight I'll do my best to block, but I think one of those three suspicious will die tonight since I won't be trying to heal them.
So the only thing I'm really scared of is mafia delaying their vote, since I don't know if my target gets hit (nor does he) they could make it look like it worked and then double kill the next day.
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On February 11 2012 03:06 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:03 prplhz wrote:
If no one disagrees, can we make this INSTANT extended majority lynch?
I'm not going to change the format midgame, if you want to switch to a 24/24 schedule, then I need a PM from every player in the game requesting it ^_^
Yeah while we are at it why don't we change the rules so that town immediately knows who scum is and can lynch all of them day 1.
On February 11 2012 03:03 prplhz wrote: No.
I'm not going to be silent today and hope town gets anything going because that went pretty badly yesterday.
Since we're at LYLO we need to lynch scum, duh.
Lets lynch Nisani201 and BaronFel. Lets start with BaronFel.
Seriously. Fucking. Stop. Now.
Stop just calling out random people for lynching. What's your reasoning against Nisani? Where's your evidence? Are you basing this on reality or something you imagined? I hate to be causing "dissent" in the ranks of town, but you seriously are hurting us with this crap. You have been a destabalizing force in this game from Day 1. You have helped lynch two townies, you have turned suspicion away from potential mafia members onto yourself, you have continued to attack people with no evidence at all. Day 3 was yet another example of your "randomly call people out and hope for the best" strategy in action. I'm not even so sure you knew Sinani was scum, I think you just thought it would be fun to shoot him to get him back for whatever he did to you in sc and got lucky.
You have to be the single worst town player in the history of this game. Unless you have evidence and SOUND reasoning behind your claims, seriously stop posting. You are disrupting the real conversations of town members who are actually trying to win this game, and are allowing the mafia to go unnoticed. Stop being so emotional and use some logic and reasoning if you are going to call out anyone else, and at least try to use one quote of the person you are calling out to illustrate your point. For goodness sakes stop hurting your own team!
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I'm done reading your posts TheToast. You spend less time pulling useless text walls out of your ass than I spend reading them. Considering that they never contain anything remotely thoughtful, that's not a good situation for me.
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Anyway, back on track. I decided to take a close look at BaronFel's posting. Some of this is stuff that I posted before, just trying to arrange it more logically.
Day 1 BaronFel was supremely lurking, he had a grand total of like 2 posts. He hopped on the Sinesis train early, and stayed there long after everyone else moved off Sinesis. He did end up changing his vote to Timeaisis interestingly though:
On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
##Unvote: Sinensis
I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous).
Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad.
For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon.
Night 1 Baron was back on Sinesis however:
On February 04 2012 12:23 BaronFel wrote: Sinensis, you aren't really making this easier. While you may not be acting like scum, you're really hurting towns chances by throwing around accusations and not really giving any logical arguments =/
Things get interesting here. Night one Bluelightz called out BaronFel as potential scum. Everyone completely ignored Bluelightz and the comment was forgotten. Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up:
On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more. If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis
If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1.
He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post:
On February 09 2012 08:55 BaronFel wrote:
I'm going to keep with my original suspicion and vote Nisani. I think his posts today have made me more suspicious of him (even if he didn't have me as the second target). It feels as though he knows his argument against us isn't that strong and so he's trying to quickly push the votes and focus on to someone else since he knows people were looking at him n2.
##Vote: Nisani201
Ummmmm.... whose us?
No, really, whose us?
Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits:
On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote:Show nested quote +What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone.
He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low.
All in all, I'm not 100% about Baron right now, but he is looking like a really good suspect. I'd love to hear his defense about the "us" comment...
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I'm sorry if that last post was overly hostile, it's nothing personal and all within the game, but you're stomping all over my last nerve.
I'm still not reading your posts.
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About a good third of your post is a repost and explaining that you're reposting.
As for "us", let's see... who else was Nisani arguing against Day 3?
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Wait a minute. @ 15 minutes to go on Day 3, I put my vote on Sentinel giving the 4th one needed for majority. Then this happened:
On February 10 2012 11:47 EchelonTee wrote: Sentinel didn't you say you had a "final defense"? or something? was that it?
On February 10 2012 11:49 EchelonTee wrote: what happens if no one has a majority?
##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: No Lynch
Why did you wait until I put my vote on Sentinel to unvote him? If you thought there was a chance he was town, why did you have your vote on him?
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On February 11 2012 05:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You brought up BaronFel.
Actually prplhz brought him up first, though I was already looking at him. Sentinel, are you still looking at Nisani? Who else do you currently think is scum?
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I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.
Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.
Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way.
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On February 11 2012 06:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.
Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.
Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way.
Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz?
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If Bluelightz is scum that means he's gotten bussed by sinani and is now bussing Baron.
I mean he makes retarded posts, but Timeaisis (peace be upon him) did that too and now look where he was.
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On February 11 2012 03:49 TheToast wrote: You have to be the single worst town player in the history of this game.
Reading through stuff posted since I was last here. Toast this comment is really, really not necessary.
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Am here, can anyone give me a heads up on what are we discussing?
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On February 11 2012 08:45 Bluelightz wrote: Am here, can anyone give me a heads up on what are we discussing?
pick 2 out of the 3 to be scum: you bluelightz bf
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err I derped up that post. meant to put you nisani bf
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I could see BF being scum after what Toast has pointed out, Nisani as well too, but I'm gonna wait for him to post first.
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Hopefully we can all agree on lynching BaronFel tomorrow.
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On February 11 2012 07:15 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 06:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.
Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.
Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way. Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz?
I disagree; Bluelightz has flip flopped on BaronFel constantly. They have been "conversing" in thread; bluelightz posts suspicion, BF posts something that in no way clears him, then bluelightz says "oh ok I think he's green now". That is not at ALL bluelightz being after BF all game. it's scum interaction.
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On February 11 2012 05:43 TheToast wrote:Wait a minute. @ 15 minutes to go on Day 3, I put my vote on Sentinel giving the 4th one needed for majority. Then this happened: Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 11:47 EchelonTee wrote: Sentinel didn't you say you had a "final defense"? or something? was that it? Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 11:49 EchelonTee wrote: what happens if no one has a majority?
##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel ##Vote: No Lynch Why did you wait until I put my vote on Sentinel to unvote him? If you thought there was a chance he was town, why did you have your vote on him?
I was waiting to see if anyone would jump onto him out of the blue (read:bandwagon) to try and force his lynch. You should be able to tell that I wasn't putting my full weight behind his lynch. I unvoted him when it looked like he was on the railroad to be hung.
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I disagree with some of your logic toast, but I'll get to it later. doesn't rly matter because I agree with your reads, anyways.
conclusion; 1. lynch bf 2. lynch bluelightz/nisani 3. destroy chaos once and for all 4. ??? 5. profit
I got practice, may or may not be back before the deadline.
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Anyway, back on track. I decided to take a close look at BaronFel's posting. Some of this is stuff that I posted before, just trying to arrange it more logically.
Day 1 BaronFel was supremely lurking, he had a grand total of like 2 posts. He hopped on the Sinesis train early, and stayed there long after everyone else moved off Sinesis. He did end up changing his vote to Timeaisis interestingly though:
I believe I already stated my position on why I voted for Timeaisis day 1.
Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad.
For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon.
I'll give you the fact that I did indeed not use the filter. I did not know it existed till a bit later in the thread (when someone linked my filter). I was just going off of what I had read straight through in the thread.
Also, it was never my intention to make it seem like I was coming to the conclusion myself that he was using the "I'm new card". When I read Echelon write that I thought "now that I think of it, it seems like he did say he was new rather often" and went with that.
Night 1 Baron was back on Sinesis however:
Things get interesting here. Night one Bluelightz called out BaronFel as potential scum. Everyone completely ignored Bluelightz and the comment was forgotten. Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up:
If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1.
I usually try to clear things up when people call me out. I would think it would look worse if he called me out and I just tried to ignore it. What if I had ignored it, someone going through filters will now say "BaronFel never defended himself etc".
He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post:
Ummmmm.... whose us?
No, really, whose us?
Um.... "us" is the town's majority argument...
At the time of writing, he was the primary suspect (from what I could tell, most people were either outright voting him, or analyzing/going through his filter). "Our" argument was that he was scum, and we gave reasons for this. His argument against "us" is that he was not, and he gave his own reasons. If it was in a defense, such as me defending his claim of me being scum, then perhaps that could be a telling slip as the context would be me trying to prove I'm not mafia (unless there were multiple people also trying to defend me, in which case it could apply to our combined defense). That paragraph, however, was me accusing Nisani, meaning everyone on "my" side were the people that also felt the same way (that nisani was suspicious/scum).
Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits:
He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low.
I'm saying that what prplhz wanted me to say (or from my assumption from his post), was to give a definitive "They were killed because [a],[b],[c], probably most likely from [person a] and/or [person b]". I gave some reasons as to why they might have been targeted, but as I said, I didn't have any strong suspicions at the time. Anyone I said could have easily been town, and I didn't think it'd be right if I called someone else out.
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On February 11 2012 08:40 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 03:49 TheToast wrote: You have to be the single worst town player in the history of this game.
Reading through stuff posted since I was last here. Toast this comment is really, really not necessary.
Yeah that came out way too harsh, not what I originally intended.
I stand by what I said about him hurting town though.
On February 11 2012 09:03 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 07:15 TheToast wrote:On February 11 2012 06:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I think Baron is definitely scum and that is who I will vote for if I survive.
Bluelightz I have an FoS on but I'm not 100% convinced.
Nisani I'll hold as neutral until he comes back and swings that either way. Here's the thing. BaronFel is one person that Bluelightz has been after this whole game. Bluelightz called out BaronFel night 1, Day 2, and Day 3 he wrote a whole big thing about Baron being scummy. So if BaronFel is scum, where does that leave Bluelightz? I disagree; Bluelightz has flip flopped on BaronFel constantly. They have been "conversing" in thread; bluelightz posts suspicion, BF posts something that in no way clears him, then bluelightz says "oh ok I think he's green now". That is not at ALL bluelightz being after BF all game. it's scum interaction.
This is an interesting point that I had not considered. It would explain why BF felt the need on Day 2 to address Bluelightz comment during night 1 that had gotten completely lost. I'm still not sure about blue though.
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Day 4
Where there is uncertainty, I shall bring light Where there is doubt, I shall sow faith Where there is shame, I shall point atonement Where there is rage, I shall show its course My word in the soul shall be as my bolter in the field.
Night is here
On a wooden altar in the chapel, a graven image of the Emperor, the only light is the flickering of the candles, and the burning of incense. In the pews a single man sits, quietly, deep in thought. The ship gives shudders, and metal grinds on metal. When the noise stops, the only sound in the room is the hushed breathing of the man.
The silence is split asunder, in a terrible explosion of sound as [UoN]Sentinel stands from his silent meditation in the pew and begins yelling, ranting like someone possessed. "I am a failure!" he yells, "unfit to serve You in Your Glory! I have failed! We are damned by my hand" he cries, his voice laden with despair, tears running down his cheeks as he screams, making the soft light of the candles tremble in the darkness. "Failed, Failed, FAILED" he repeats, his voice rising in pitch, maniacally. As he yells, he hits himself with his cane landing solid, painful, blows, that resound even over his frantic screams in a terrifying and bizarre display of rage and utter hopelessness.
In the shadows of the lintel a man leans against the wall, a thin smile playing over his lip as he watches the candle lit display, and listens to the echoing wrath in the vastness of the chapel. Confidently the man strides towards the distraught man, completely unnoticed, until he places a hand on [UoN]Sentinel's shoulder, and whispers in [UoN]Sentinel's ear: "Father, it is time". [UoN]Sentinel stands there paralyzed for a second by the interruption, as he turns to face the shadow, a sudden pain in his chest interrupts him. [UoN]Sentinel looks down at his chest, an expression of bewilderment painted on his face, as he sees a blood soaked blade jutting from it. With a mumble of confusion [UoN]Sentinel breathes his last, and the man vanishes as quickly as he came, the only witness to his crime the silent effigy of the Emperor and the carvings upon the wall.
Huddle close to your Emperor if he makes you feel safe. He cannot save you, for only Chaos is eternal....
[UoN]Sentinel, Father Morriselb, a Tainted Imperial Preist rests at the feet of the Emperor!
It is day 4! You have 48 hours to choose someone to execute!
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Well, now that we know for sure Sentinel was telling the truth, that makes things pretty easy from here.
##Vote: BaronFel
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GG guys, loved the way I died, captured that emotion
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hmm, Tainted Medic? That's interesting. I remember someone inferring that we had only one tainted. Just a small thing.
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This is LYLO! T_T 2-4 mafia get a night kill we lose T_T
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Ooops i meant 2-4 mislynch then mafia get a NK we lose, but still, T_T
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On February 11 2012 12:57 Bluelightz wrote: This is LYLO! T_T 2-4 mafia get a night kill we lose T_T Isn't that mylo? Because we're still in it if we choose not to lynch.
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-facepalm- thanks for pointing it out x_x
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Some notes I have on Baron.
On February 03 2012 09:39 BaronFel wrote: I agree with Vilonis, I think it's a bit early to start calling people out for "bandwagoning". It's the first turn and we're all trying to get a feel for how each other posts etc.
1.Minor, but the only flag I had on him early. Buddying himself to Vilonis, the soon to be dead gay; it's a subtle way of trying to gain town cred.
On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more.
2. Not going to overblow noobiness factor here, but it still stands; being really apologetic when it's not necessarily needed, as lots of people had been lurking all game. being scum confers a sense guilt to the newbie.
On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If the act in itself may not be suspicious, what made you more suspicious of him? Can you get more text-wally, maybe write a bigger post on him, and I don't necessarily mean post-by-post-analysis, but try to make this "feeling", this "take on it" that you have more understandable to other townies. I don't mean the act is not suspicious, I mean that by itself it wouldn't necessarily make me jump out and say "SCUM!". For example, getting life insurance for your wife isn't suspicious. Getting it before your wife mysteriously dies is type of deal (not to that extreme though in this instance). What's been said about Nisani has been my feeling. He doesn't post his reasoning very often, yet still does a lot of accusations. (Of course, he only just recently posted a big analysis, which really just him accusing sentinel of fluff (ironic) and voting for the two town lynches (which a majority of us obviously had to...)) What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. TheToast has posted a lot (which is considered a good thing as shown by me being voted and him not) and has been pretty logical, although sometime's aggressive in his beliefs. I really have no real reason to think he's scum at all. Echelon is also somewhat aggressive in his approach, but he also calls out everyone (similar to you) in their arguments (his last few posts he's counter argued me, nisani, bluelightz, and a bit to you). I am leaning town with him as well.
3. This post has~15 moderate-long sentences, and manages to say "i scumhunt with my feeling" and "i think active posters are green". prplhz asks for more content from BF, so he attempts to stretche out the minisicule substance he had available. would u like some lurking with that fluff?
On February 11 2012 10:22 BaronFel wrote:Show nested quote + He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post:
Ummmmm.... whose us?
No, really, whose us?
Um.... "us" is the town's majority argument... At the time of writing, he was the primary suspect (from what I could tell, most people were either outright voting him, or analyzing/going through his filter). "Our" argument was that he was scum, and we gave reasons for this. His argument against "us" is that he was not, and he gave his own reasons. If it was in a defense, such as me defending his claim of me being scum, then perhaps that could be a telling slip as the context would be me trying to prove I'm not mafia (unless there were multiple people also trying to defend me, in which case it could apply to our combined defense). That paragraph, however, was me accusing Nisani, meaning everyone on "my" side were the people that also felt the same way (that nisani was suspicious/scum). 4. are scum slips real? maybe the fairy godmother made my wish come true.
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OMFG
I wrote "soon to be dead gay" instead of "soon to be dead guy".
I swear I'm not a homophobe -.-
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Comments on Toast's analysis
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
##Unvote: Sinensis
I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Here's something I mentioned before. ET in his analysis called out Time for playing the "I'm new" card too much. After a quick peek at Time's filter I realized that he had only mentioned this twice at the extreme start of the game. The word "new" only appears once in Time's filter before ET called him out. I called out ET about this one Day 2, and ET has since admitted that his analysis was bad. For Baron to have picked up on this, he must have just been copying exactly what ET had written without any checking Time's filter for himself (as checking would have led him to the same conclusion as I reached, that ET's reasoning was bad). VERY interesting that Baron was just repeating exactly what ET was saying, without mentioning that it was ET who said it. It seems the natural comment would be "I agree with ET about Time playing the I'm new card too much". To frame it the way he does makes it sound like he came up with this reasoning, almost like he is trying to encourage a bandwagon.
1.sigh... still on my Timeaisis analysis; I pointed out three instances. whatever. I think something that you didn't quite consider, is that simply the fact that he is agreeing with EXACTLY what I said is the scummy part. Not exactly that he didn't mention my name. Passing off the analysis as his own would put more responsibility on him.
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Day 2 Baron brings the comment back up: Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more. If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig. I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD) ##Vote: Sinensis If he is mafia, why bring the comment back up? It was ignored, by bringing it back up he would only risk drawing greater attention to himself. His reasoning against Sinesis seems okay, and he is continuing the same line of thought he had Day 1 and Night 1. He then turns his attention to Nisani, basically saying he thinks Nisani is sketchy because he doesn't explain his posts well enough. When he elaborates though, there is something very strange in his post: 2.Baron posted somewhere that he brought the comment back up because he didn't want to make it seem like he was ignoring a jab at him. Both town and scum would have reason to do this; Mafia would do this because they don't want a loose end being used to tunnel/incriminate them later.
On February 11 2012 04:46 TheToast wrote:Also interesting is how he dodged the question about the night 1 and 2 hits: Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 11:42 BaronFel wrote:What is your take on the night hits so far? Vilonis night1, mderg night2, why didn't they hit TheToast or EchelonTee or you or me? How do you think TheToast and EchelonTee has acted today? What is your "feeling" and "take" on them? I'm not really sure I can give anything amazing in terms of why Vilonis and mderg were killed. They were both pretty logical and weren't talking a huge amount, that's probably as good as any explanation. As for why they didn't hit others, not sure either. It would just be speculation and couldn't really be used in an argument for or against anyone. He's quick to cover his ass here. Couldn't be used in an argument against anyone? If you can come up with a good theory as to why these two were killed I bet it could be used... If I had to guess V and mderg got killed as suspected blues. BF's statement here about the two not talking much is interesting, it's in the best interest of the town for blues to lay low. All in all, I'm not 100% about Baron right now, but he is looking like a really good suspect. I'd love to hear his defense about the "us" comment... 3.I agree BF is covering his ass here with a vague answer, but you're approaching the use of flips sub-optimally. Example: I thought they were killed because they were sensible speakers who looked obviously townie. You and I disagree on this; is it worth the time for us to argue about it? No one can actually know why NK happened until the gdam post-game, but we CAN look at what people posted after we know their alignment, as their information we will know to be unbiased, alignment wise.
I'm not trying to discredit your analysis, just tying up what are imo loose ends. case is already well grounded.
##Vote: BaronFel
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On February 11 2012 13:20 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm not trying to discredit your analysis, just tying up what are imo loose ends. case is already well grounded.
##Vote: BaronFel
Yeah I don't necessarily disagree with anything. You're right about point two doesn't prove anything really. With BF there is a real lack of content to analyze, I just brought it up to try to be thorough.
I think the case is pretty good here. If we are wrong, however, town is going to lose this game. So everyone keep scrutinizing and analyzing. We cannot afford to screw up this lynch.
Assuming we are right though, the real hard part is going to be Day 5...
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ACTIVE GAMES SHOULD NEVER GO YELLOW
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BaronFel (5): TheToast, Nisani201, Bluelightz, EchelonTee, prplhz
Not voting: BaronFel
I guess the other mafia has just decided to pile on. Interesting.
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I still don't know why you guys are all targeting me, unless its for lurking?
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I'm targeting you because I think everybody else is town besides Nisani201 and possibly Bluelightz but I have to pick someone. I'm more sure of Nisani201 so we should probably lynch him but that doesn't really matter if I'm not right about you and Bluelightz so I'm lynching you guys first. If you flip scum then Nisani201 tomorrow and then we hopefully win.
If you have a role now is the time to claim it.
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Okay there is something off about Bluelightz compared to his Purgatory play, he doesn't seem to be trying as hard and he also seems more careful and less aggressive.
Should be lynch Bluelightz instead? I'm really at a loss here.
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I feel stronger on Bluelightz, but there's more consensus on BF.
opinions?
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prplhz I'm assuming that this comment was a veiled way of saying you think Nisani is scum and BF is clean? I can't see any other reason to flip from one scum to another. We have to lynch both of them anyway.
I think we all agreed that the analysis against BF was good; his last post is bizarre considering that there is an entire page of posts about him--does not seem like a townie who is about to be mis-lynched. Let's focus on what is in front of us. Unless anyone can come up with some very convincing evidence as to why BF isn't scum, we have to lynch him.
I also pointed out the differences in Bluelightz posting in purgatory, I believe prplhz you were the one who told me that I was wrong? What changed?
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On February 12 2012 12:14 TheToast wrote: I also pointed out the differences in Bluelightz posting in purgatory, I believe prplhz you were the one who told me that I was wrong? What changed?
I also disagreed with your meta analysis earlier; the continued list posting is common in both this game and purgatory, so I disagreed with that as a tell. But you were onto something when you said in purgatory he actively defended himself; he has hardly defended himself at all when he started to get under heavier preasure. I tell him straight up: we're lynching you, bluelightz, and baronfel. And his response is oh umm... lynch BF and bluelightz first please? -.-
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did it again. meant to say "we're lynching you, nisani, baronfel"
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Its a 1 game meta no =="?
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Probably won't matter, but I'm still suspicious of Nisani...
@Toast
I've looked and I still don't see a good case against me xD The us "slip" wasn't a slip at all in context. I thought my reasoning for my day votes were pretty logical. I guess it comes down to I didn't accuse people when prplhz asked me about night votes + lurking?
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United States22154 Posts
Day ends in 5 hours and 20 min. BaronFel currently to be lynched with a majority.
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##Vote: Nisani201
Forgot to do that before haha
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I'm sorry if you're town BaronFel.
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Night 4
What do I ask of my officers? Merely that they do their duty with fire in their bellies and a prayer on their lips.
A silent crowd stood before BaronFel's door. In the night they had conspired, and they knew who was to pay for the brutal murders that had been transpiring. For the foul stench of chaos on the ship and for the shadows at the edges of their vision. A silent, armed mob awaited impassibly before his door, waiting, knowing he would come out. Out he came, seeing the silent unity of the ship before him BaronFel knew what was happening. His time had come, with a sinister smile and a laugh he stepped forward, a black dagger, wet with blood glinting in his hands as he roared praise for the Architect of Damnation. He didn't get two steps from the door before the hail of lasfire form the rest of the ship occupants had reduced him to a fine dust
When the people forget their duty they are no longer human and become something less than beasts. They have no place in the bosom of humanity nor in the heart of the Emperor. Let them die and be forgotten.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote count] +On February 02 2012 08:11 ZBot wrote: Votecount for day 2. With seven alive it takes four to lynch.
Current votes:
BaronFel (5): TheToast, Nisani201, Bluelightz, EchelonTee, prplhz
Nisani201 (1): BaronFel
Not voting:
The Day deadline is at 2012-02-13 12:00:00. (That's approximately 0:25:43 from now.)
BaronFel Omar Titus, the Chaos Cultist, has embraced his death for the glory of Tzeentch!
It is now Night 4! Get night actions in to both me and redFF in the next 24 hours.
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k not sorry then
Nisani201 tomorrow and then we win.
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gud shiz.
you really think BF would go out voting his teammate?
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He voted Nisani201 because he made a case on and voted him yesterday I suppose.
Question is: "Would BaronFel have made a case on Nisani201 yesterday if they're both scum?"
But none of this is relevant for Nisani201's alignment. Can't trust anything scum do to others and let them WIFOM you into doing anything you wouldn't have done otherwise. Can only trust it to determine BaronFel's alignment because he's the one doing it, and that case looked off considering how BaronFel has acted all game.
Dunno, TheToast could be scum for all the less-than-ideally-enlightened things he's said throughout this game, but he's just too crazy so I don't think so. If he's scum he can never ever play like this again, and I don't mind losing to a guy pulling off a one-time stunt like that. If he's town I hope he never plays like this again anyway.
You could be scum but I doubt that, even though you were given an ideal opportunity to very easily look good this game.
Bluelightz looks almost exactly like he did in Purgatory, except a little more busy I just made up that shiz up to bait some reaction. Dunno if it was a good idea but meh, there was lots of time to the flip and I'm always kinda insecure about these things, more content is always good.
Nisani201 probably scum as I've said multiple times before.
So it doesn't really matter who dies tonight, Nisani201 dies tomorrow.
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His vote on me is WIFOM if not entirely meaningless. He barely even tried to defend himself.
If there's a detective then you should probably reveal the last scum now, in case you die tonight.
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Sorry if I'm overly hostile again, I don't mean nothing by it and I'm sure you're a really nice guy TheToast. You just didn't play too well this game, regardless of your alignment, and additionally, and probably more importantly, you spent the entire game stomping on my nerves
Made me think you were town so that's a good think but it also made me want to pull my hair out and throw my laptop out the window. I'm sure you can relate.
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Actually, scratch the above quote. Detective should not claim. We should hope that he dies tonight, and then look for breadcrumbs.
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Who's the last scum Nisani201?
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If I had to choose it would be Bluelightz, though.
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Everyone should pay very close attention to who gets killed tonight...
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We're lynching Nisani201 tomorrow no matter who gets killed tonight.
I'm stealing your reply-with-red-numbers style EchelonTee. It's pretty nice.
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On February 14 2012 02:11 prplhz wrote: We're lynching Nisani201 tomorrow no matter who gets killed tonight.
I'm stealing your reply-with-red-numbers style EchelonTee. It's pretty nice.
Well I think after ET's very good analysis of BF, it seems pretty clear that either Bluelightz or Nisani is the other mafia member. We actually could just lynch them both across two days and still win (though one more of us would die).
Either way I think we should wait to start discussing who is the next day's lynch until after the start of the next day. Would just give mafia the chance to snipe who ever has the best arguments and give them the chance to drag this out longer.
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On February 14 2012 03:44 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 02:11 prplhz wrote: We're lynching Nisani201 tomorrow no matter who gets killed tonight.
I'm stealing your reply-with-red-numbers style EchelonTee. It's pretty nice. Would just give mafia the chance to snipe who ever has the best arguments and give them the chance to drag this out longer. ONE WAY TRAIN TO WIFOM CITY WOOHOOO!!
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On February 14 2012 03:47 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:44 TheToast wrote:On February 14 2012 02:11 prplhz wrote: We're lynching Nisani201 tomorrow no matter who gets killed tonight.
I'm stealing your reply-with-red-numbers style EchelonTee. It's pretty nice. Would just give mafia the chance to snipe who ever has the best arguments and give them the chance to drag this out longer. ONE WAY TRAIN TO WIFOM CITY WOOHOOO!!
Well who did you choose to kill tonight?
Also I think you mean "choochoo" not "woohoo".
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Day 5
The night was surprisingly quiet.
Nobody has died
voting time
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##Vote: Bluelightz
Pretty please don't kill me.
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Can't you just surrender?
##Vote: Nisani201
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wooooot I finally ate a bullet, good shit.
in time for the 1k post
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On February 14 2012 12:08 EchelonTee wrote:wooooot I finally ate a bullet, good shit. in time for the 1k post Are you claiming vet?
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Imperial Stormtrooper
glad you have reading comprehension this time
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What's your name EchelonTee?
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I mean you got a name in your role PM, what is that?
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I'd ask your name for funsies, but I don't know warhammer lore
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So, you don't want to lynch Nisani201 today?
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I'm Yorrick or something like that, too lazy to browse back through PM history to find it.
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On February 14 2012 12:24 EchelonTee wrote: Imperial Stormtrooper
glad you have reading comprehension this time I call bullshit.
##Unvote ##Vote: EchelonTee
It would have been ideal for scum to use delay last night, and that's probably what he did.
You guys can lynch me today but tomorrow you better be lynching Echelon.
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I'm assuming you have a read off of Nisani based off of past games? I can't work out anything from him. He has been super random, and pushed sentinel, but so did some other people. I like bluelightz more as a target.
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On February 14 2012 12:05 Nisani201 wrote: ##Vote: Bluelightz
Pretty please don't kill me.
Ok.
On February 14 2012 12:44 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 12:24 EchelonTee wrote: Imperial Stormtrooper
glad you have reading comprehension this time I call bullshit. ##Unvote##Vote: EchelonTeeIt would have been ideal for scum to use delay last night, and that's probably what he did. You guys can lynch me today but tomorrow you better be lynching Echelon.
This is my response:
On February 14 2012 03:47 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 03:44 TheToast wrote:On February 14 2012 02:11 prplhz wrote: We're lynching Nisani201 tomorrow no matter who gets killed tonight.
I'm stealing your reply-with-red-numbers style EchelonTee. It's pretty nice. Would just give mafia the chance to snipe who ever has the best arguments and give them the chance to drag this out longer. ONE WAY TRAIN TO WIFOM CITY WOOHOOO!!
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You don't even make sense lol... if you're so sure that I'm scum and delayed, why say "you guys can lynch me"? The 2KP plus your lynch would mean town loses. you're just trying to make it seem like you got nothing to lose.
##Vote Nisani201
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On February 14 2012 12:53 EchelonTee wrote: You don't even make sense lol... if you're so sure that I'm scum and delayed, why say "you guys can lynch me"? The 2KP plus your lynch would mean town loses. you're just trying to make it seem like you got nothing to lose.
##Vote Nisani201 No, you're wrong. If I get lynched today and scum uses 2KP tomorrow, there would be 3 remaining players (with one scum) in LyLo.
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EBWOP: If I get lynched today and scum uses 2KP tonight, there would be 3 remaining players (with one scum) in LyLo.
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I was almost convinced Nisani was town. But I kept thinking about the first two lynches. Why mderg and Vilonis?
Then I saw these:
On February 08 2012 06:51 mderg wrote:Nisani:He didn´t post much let alone much content. He also didn´t give reasons for his votes by himself, we often had to ask for this. He voted for timeaisis on day 1 and insisted on voting sentinel whom he had attacked from the beginning of the game already. (also without much reasoning). IMO he hasn´t played pro-town at all. He didn´t post very much, so I couldn´t get many reads out of his posts but his lurking alone would already make him suspicious. BaronFel:Same as nisani he hasn´t contributed much. Other than nisani he gave reasons for his votes like in this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2012 09:16 BaronFel wrote: After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.
##Unvote: Sinensis
I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). But he often refers to others posts and opinions and always went with the majority which makes it seem like he isn´t rying to find scum himself. BaronFel is a possible scum as he was lurking and not bringing in his own arguments. But he isn´t the main suspect because his play didn´t seem blatantly anti-town on the first 2 days.
^Second to last full post before he bit it
On February 03 2012 08:22 Vilonis wrote: Nisani201. Started this whole bandwagon discussion. IMO, it is too early to start claiming bandwagons. We are not close to a vote, there were not many people, and the 'bandwagon' was probably the best candidate to be lynched anyway. As far as I can see it, this is only really preventing pressure on players that deserve it, as having 3 votes on you is nowhere as demanding that you make a post as having 7+ votes on you would be.
Also, "You guys make this too easy" with an explanation-less vote, followed by claiming a few people voting on suspicions are a bandwagon. Stop make a virtue out of keeping you options open. You should vote on suspicion. It makes your opinions and intentions clear. It makes you (somewhat) committed.
Suspicious Prplhz (anyone else read this name as Purple Haze, then have the Jimmy Hendrix song stuck in their head?). Lots of votes, not many posts. Short, mostly useless posts. Probably a time zone thing, but I would like to see more discussion from him.
Who is probably scum? My vote is for Nisani201.
And as I think you should put your vote where your suspicions are... ##Vote: Nisani201
He did eventually change his vote to Time for D1, but kept his suspicions on Nisani.
Isn't it interesting that the two players who suspected BF and Nisani early got killed first? This ain't looking good for you Nisani.
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I'm not going to bother defending myself because I know I'm going to get lynched anyways. But I will say that you guys like using WIFOM a lot.
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On February 14 2012 12:30 prplhz wrote: I'm Yorrick or something like that, too lazy to browse back through PM history to find it.
You have that many PMs huh? Since what you mostly do is play Mafia, I think you pretty much just admitted to being scum in one of the games you currently have going.
Also...... I have no idea which way to vote today. Not sure it matters since you only need a majority of 3 I believe.
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Nisani has been contributing little.
##Vote: Nisani201
I do feel like claiming :3 if you need me to claim just say it.
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On February 14 2012 14:46 Nisani201 wrote: I'm not going to bother defending myself because I know I'm going to get lynched anyways. But I will say that you guys like using WIFOM a lot.
your entire case on me is WIFOM
On February 14 2012 15:07 TheToast wrote:
Also...... I have no idea which way to vote today. Not sure it matters since you only need a majority of 3 I believe.
don't commit your vote too late, lest vote switch shenanigans occur
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On February 14 2012 16:41 Bluelightz wrote: Nisani has been contributing little.
##Vote: Nisani201
I do feel like claiming :3 if you need me to claim just say it.
weren't you the one who suggested a mass blue claim D2? make your own judgement whether you think it would help at this point.
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Fine. I am Tabitha Von'Amie, Vannila Townie
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Hmm you spelled Vanilla wrong. SCUM SLIP??????
no rly tho, I thought you might've been some non-investigative blue role which is why I didn't say "claim now"; I presumed that if you had any information that could insta-win this game, you would've come out with it already.
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On February 14 2012 15:07 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 12:30 prplhz wrote: I'm Yorrick or something like that, too lazy to browse back through PM history to find it. You have that many PMs huh? Since what you mostly do is play Mafia, I think you pretty much just admitted to being scum in one of the games you currently have going. Also...... I have no idea which way to vote today. Not sure it matters since you only need a majority of 3 I believe. I'm very dissatisfied with how you are actively inferring things about my alignment, publicly, for a game that you are not in.
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On February 14 2012 19:03 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 15:07 TheToast wrote:On February 14 2012 12:30 prplhz wrote: I'm Yorrick or something like that, too lazy to browse back through PM history to find it. You have that many PMs huh? Since what you mostly do is play Mafia, I think you pretty much just admitted to being scum in one of the games you currently have going. Also...... I have no idea which way to vote today. Not sure it matters since you only need a majority of 3 I believe. I'm very dissatisfied with how you are actively inferring things about my alignment, publicly, for a game that you are not in.
Just testing
Is it just me or is Zbot not counting the votes properly?
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On February 14 2012 23:10 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:03 prplhz wrote:On February 14 2012 15:07 TheToast wrote:On February 14 2012 12:30 prplhz wrote: I'm Yorrick or something like that, too lazy to browse back through PM history to find it. You have that many PMs huh? Since what you mostly do is play Mafia, I think you pretty much just admitted to being scum in one of the games you currently have going. Also...... I have no idea which way to vote today. Not sure it matters since you only need a majority of 3 I believe. I'm very dissatisfied with how you are actively inferring things about my alignment, publicly, for a game that you are not in. Just testing Is it just me or is Zbot not counting the votes properly? I haven't spoken to GM in a while and I dunno how to set it up.
Votecount coming from me.
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EchelonTee(1) - Nisani201 Nisani201(3) - prplhz, EchelonTee, Bluelightz,
Not voting: TheToast
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
Day ends February 16th 12:00 KST
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Setup ZBot, sorry guys, I've been really sick over the last two days -_-
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It's still tommorow? Oh noooo.
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why is that "oh nooooo" bluelightz?
On February 14 2012 23:10 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 19:03 prplhz wrote:On February 14 2012 15:07 TheToast wrote:On February 14 2012 12:30 prplhz wrote: I'm Yorrick or something like that, too lazy to browse back through PM history to find it. You have that many PMs huh? Since what you mostly do is play Mafia, I think you pretty much just admitted to being scum in one of the games you currently have going. Also...... I have no idea which way to vote today. Not sure it matters since you only need a majority of 3 I believe. I'm very dissatisfied with how you are actively inferring things about my alignment, publicly, for a game that you are not in. Just testing
prplhz is in a pm game, doesn't mean his scum... just saying.
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EBWOP: doesn't mean he's scum
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Well, I give up.
##Vote: Nisani201
If it's not him, we can just lynch Bluelightz Day 6.
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On February 16 2012 00:48 TheToast wrote: Well, I give up.
##Vote: Nisani201
If it's not him, we can just lynch Bluelightz Day 6. Never give up! Never surrender!
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On February 16 2012 01:25 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 00:48 TheToast wrote: Well, I give up.
##Vote: Nisani201
If it's not him, we can just lynch Bluelightz Day 6. Never give up! Never surrender!
The daemonic are without number, and their legions span the galaxy. But faith does not tire. Should it take us an eternity, the Ordo malleus will find and exterminate them all.
For the Emperor!!!!!!!!!
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Night 5
Guard your tongue, whelp, lest I cut it out. I care not for your moon-touched ramblings, nor for the tales of your grandmother. Mark this well
Nisani201 was brought before the cannon of the Leman'Russ, and asked "Are you a Heretic?" by the mob. Thrice the mob roared their question, and thrice Nisani201 shook his head. The mob boarded the tank, and with a booming roar the cannon fired, spreading Nisani201 into a fine mist
Nisani201 the Imperial Guardsman has been splattered!
Night 5, get actions in!
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I'm fresh out of ideas, I hope you guys have something.
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I'm guessing Toast would've claimed by now if he had anything useful. anyways, I'm obviously favoring bluelightz.
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EchelonTee or Toast is scum. Let's win this.
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On February 16 2012 15:31 Bluelightz wrote: EchelonTee or Toast is scum. Let's win this.
-.-
If mafia uses a double kill tonight, and the game is at 1 to 1 on Day 7, is that a tie or a win for town?
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On February 16 2012 23:10 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 15:31 Bluelightz wrote: EchelonTee or Toast is scum. Let's win this. -.- If mafia uses a double kill tonight, and the game is at 1 to 1 on Day 7, is that a tie or a win for town? Scum Victory whenever they equal or outnumber the town, irregardless of time of day or night ^_^
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Damn. Well assuming that Mafia doesn't have a double kill tonight, lynch bluelightz tomorrow and let's wrap this game up, yes?
I am assuming that ET or myself is going to be killed tonight, so whoever's left--win this one for the emperor!
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@Toast If Mafia had a double kill im sure GM would of ended the game on the last day we had =_=
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On February 17 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote: @Toast If Mafia had a double kill im sure GM would of ended the game on the last day we had =_=
Well good. Then we still have one day left to lynch you and win the game!
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What's left to say? Does anyone disagree that Bluelightz is the final mafia (besides Bluelightz)? Also we're in space, there are no tumbleweeds. Though I suppose their could be crickets, if that was the will of the emperor.
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yeah i know, just a little strange how sharply the activity died.
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Day 6
It is night. Through the corridors, only the groaning of ancient metal can be heard. In his room, Bluelightz slumbers, hardly peacefully, but at least at rest, the three bottles of Amasec by his bed as he drunkenly sings about his missing homeland. In slides a shadow under his door, the sleeping man is no more, his blood mixes with the Anasec on the floor.
Then there were three
In the hallway a single man paces, like the wind, unseen and unheard, looking for vengeance or solace, he softly mutters litanies of hate. Behind him a door creaks, and he turns to look and see. Squinting in the darkness, the blade from behind is a bitter surprise. Prplhz manages to mumble as the blood drains from his body "That thou shouldst pardon none, We beseech thee, destroy them."
Then there were two
In the main navel of the ship, a TheToast awaits his fate, lasgun clenched tightly in his hands. He know it is the end of the line, that tonight the bravery of men will either triumph or fail. When the shadow strides in blade glinting with blood, TheToast settles into a firing stance, his lips pursed in concentration. Emperor Eternal he whispers to himself. This is the last thought that will ever cross his mind, as the shadow steps forward, and TheToast finds himself splayed in a puddle of his own Blood
Then there was one
EchelonTee laughs, and laughs, his thirst for blood sated as the ship slowly spirals into the sun. Yes, this has been a good killing. The Architect will be proud. Indeed, the forces of the Emperor cannot rival the strength of the damned. With that final thought, EchelonTee laughs, and vanishes into the shadows.
Then there were none
prplhz the Imperial Commissar has failed to fulfill his duty! Bluelightz an Imperial Guardsman will never find solace in death! TheToast an Imperial Guardsman has been sent to meet his the Emperor!
EchelonTee the Chaos Hedonist has won the favor of the Gods of Chaos, and dealt a blow to the Imperium.
The game is over! Mafia Victory!
EchelonTee, Sinani206 and BaronFel win!
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Damn nicely done ET. I was suspicious of you for a while, especially after the Day 1 lynch of Time. But I have to admit the "analysis" on BaronFel completely threw me off; completely convinced me you were a blue after that.
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last man standing :D
man, all of obs qt wanted me dead
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We really, really did. I was pretty proud of how quickly I called your fake vet claim. Surprised that Toast didn't make that connection though.
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OBS QT FOR THE WIN
* Dancing around in his underwear*
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my vet claim, honestly, was not the optimal move, but to be perfectly honest I just did it so that I could use the delay effect. Also, I thought that someone was actually a vet, so I wanted them to counter claim me, so that I would know who not to shoot.
If it came to that, I was confident in my ability to convince town either that 1. I'm the real vet, or 2. there are 2 vets in this set up.
Since GMarshal previously did a 3 goon vs. 1 vig 2 vet set up, a 2 goon 1 RBer vs. 1vig 2vet 1medic is reasonable.
I'll post my thoughts on my game sometime tomorrow, probably.
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On February 17 2012 12:36 EchelonTee wrote: my vet claim, honestly, was not the optimal move, but to be perfectly honest I just did it so that I could use the delay effect. Also, I thought that someone was actually a vet, so I wanted them to counter claim me, so that I would know who not to shoot.
If it came to that, I was confident in my ability to convince town either that 1. I'm the real vet, or 2. there are 2 vets in this set up. Since GMarshal previously did a 3 mafia goon vs. 1 vig 2 vet set up, a 2 goon 1 RBer vs. 1vig 2vet 1medic is reasonable.
Your "analysis" was really good, I scrutinized the hell out of it and the only thing I came up with was that whole thing calling out Time for "playing the I'm new card".
Honestly though part of it may have been that a lot of town was just so lurky this game. Wasn't a whole lot of information to go on.
-edit: Only 46 posts for Nisani. Part of the reason I just gave up and decided to lynch him.
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On February 17 2012 12:36 EchelonTee wrote: Since GMarshal previously did a 3 goon vs. 1 vig 2 vet set up
No...
Closest thing to that was 3 goons vs 2 vets :-P
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It seems that I miscalculated the endgame scenario. If I had known that my lynch meant that the game would end then I would have pushed ET harder.
GG.
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Well played ET
I knew you had it in you
All that said... I spotted the mafia team on N1.
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On February 17 2012 12:57 Adam4167 wrote:Well played ET I knew you had it in you All that said... I spotted the mafia team on N1.
Prove it
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ET PM'd me asking if I was watching Normal Mini Mafia I, I said yes and that his posts stank like they did in Wiggles mini mafia (ergo, hes red), and that his accomplice was either BaronFel or Mderg.
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Wow nice well played EchelonTee.
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On February 16 2012 23:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 23:10 TheToast wrote:On February 16 2012 15:31 Bluelightz wrote: EchelonTee or Toast is scum. Let's win this. -.- If mafia uses a double kill tonight, and the game is at 1 to 1 on Day 7, is that a tie or a win for town? Scum Victory whenever they equal or outnumber the town, irregardless of time of day or night ^_^
OMG GM USED THE WORD IRREGARDLESS I'M SO EMBARRASSED FOR HIM!
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:D
I really wanted to win this game.
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On February 17 2012 13:29 prplhz wrote: Wow nice well played EchelonTee. dude, I completely flipped out when you shot sinani night 1. How did you know? The only way I salvaged the game was that sinani suggested I buddy to you early on.
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On February 17 2012 13:27 Adam4167 wrote: ET PM'd me asking if I was watching Normal Mini Mafia I, I said yes and that his posts stank like they did in Wiggles mini mafia (ergo, hes red), and that his accomplice was either BaronFel or Mderg.
Fair play.
People have a habit of claiming they knew everyone was scum after the game was over. You should read the obs Qt because we were killing ourselves in there.
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I just wanted to remind everyone about the no-lynch.
Yes the infamous no-lynch that outed your medic for nothing. I still giggle when I think about it. How you guys said nothing for almost 24hrs and then spammed 2 minute till deadline. It was great to watch.
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There are people on this forum, like Foolishness, who should be lynched day2 if they don't get killed night1.
Then there are other people on this forum, like sinani206, who should be killed night1 if they don't get lynched day1.
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... what I'm saying is that sinani206 usually plays in a way that gets him lynched early on because he's hyper-vocal and he doesn't take shit from anybody and maybe some would say that he's kinda difficult to work with. Makes him a very easy to lynch but he doesn't give a shit because AMERICA. Also, he's way too smart to think my joke-vote was for real and he used it to fish for empathy when I think he'd usually be all "WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT THIS GAME JOKE VOTES ARE FOR MORONS ##VOTE PRPLHZ". He was waaay too meek and he was fine being out of the spot light and that's something that townies shouldn't be (and something that I've never seen sinani206 be). I think you had a good day1 but after that it went down hill. You acted so confused and pressured for the rest of the game (especially day3) but there were better targets around I felt. I was really totally convinced that Nisani201 was the last scum.
I think this town overall has a lot to learn, myself included. We were in a great position after night1 but we didn't manage to take advantage of that situation too well. I played like I had set out to from the beginning of the game but it didn't work as well as I had hoped for and I'll see if I can adjust that for my future games
GG everybody.
And yes, day3 was fucking horrible. That was the worst day of mafia I have ever played.
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On February 17 2012 14:18 Probulous wrote: I just wanted to remind everyone about the no-lynch.
Yes the infamous no-lynch that outed your medic for nothing. I still giggle when I think about it. How you guys said nothing for almost 24hrs and then spammed 2 minute till deadline. It was great to watch.
mmmm that was delicious. especially this post by prplhz:
On February 10 2012 12:00 prplhz wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAAHHAHAHAHAHAH AHA H AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The moment that prplhz went the way of the Joker, realizing that there was no hope in the world for Town
If there are TL Mafia awards for 2012, this should be nominated for single worst town moment :D
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On February 17 2012 14:16 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 13:27 Adam4167 wrote: ET PM'd me asking if I was watching Normal Mini Mafia I, I said yes and that his posts stank like they did in Wiggles mini mafia (ergo, hes red), and that his accomplice was either BaronFel or Mderg. Fair play. People have a habit of claiming they knew everyone was scum after the game was over. You should read the obs Qt because we were killing ourselves in there.
I can confirm this, Adam's the shit.
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On February 17 2012 14:28 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 14:16 Probulous wrote:On February 17 2012 13:27 Adam4167 wrote: ET PM'd me asking if I was watching Normal Mini Mafia I, I said yes and that his posts stank like they did in Wiggles mini mafia (ergo, hes red), and that his accomplice was either BaronFel or Mderg. Fair play. People have a habit of claiming they knew everyone was scum after the game was over. You should read the obs Qt because we were killing ourselves in there. I can confirm this, Adam's the shit.
I know, I have played in a game with him when I was scum. It was scary.
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That's also why I was absent from the QT, It would have been outright cheating if i was relaying stuff from the QT to Echelon lol
And also, I egged ET on to do the Vet claim, even when it was totally unneccesary... what can I say... I like being overly dramatic!
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Hahahaha reading that QT makes this game even more hilarious.
"Mafia win unless the they really derp here" -GM in obs thread
I think that makes our last few PM's much much funnier Ech.
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On February 17 2012 14:43 Adam4167 wrote:Hahahaha reading that QT makes this game even more hilarious. "Mafia win unless the they really derp here" -GM in obs thread I think that makes our last few PM's much much funnier Ech.
It was so annoying watching town completely ignore ET whilst we were baying for blood
It's amazing what a small group of players can do when they aren't targeting each other. We all agreed on a ET/baron combo pretty early. I mean there were other candidates along the way but ET was always at the front. I guess it just shows the power of "confirmed" town. Well played ET, you had them good and proper.
The vet claim sealed the deal because even with a counterclaim you were in a really strong position. Only if Toast had counterclaimed would there have been a potential problem. Well worth the risk to end the game.
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I was really hoping no one would say what nisani did. It was the most optimal play to withhold the second to last nightkill, it gives you more townies to hide in.
Still, im glad it came from someone with zero town-cred.
When bluelightz said "im going to claim now", my heart literally sank.
Then he claimed VT.
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My mafia record
1 win as town
2 losses (one as town, one as scum)
1 on-going
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Congrats ET, thanks for carrying me this whole game :D
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GG guys, that was a pretty fun game.
1 win as town, 1 loss as town, 1 ongoing.
Neutrality is fucking awesome.
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On February 17 2012 22:25 BaronFel wrote: Congrats ET, thanks for carrying me this whole game :D
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On February 17 2012 22:25 BaronFel wrote: Congrats ET, thanks for carrying me this whole game :D
:D you didn't do bad as a scum lurker; not as under the radar as Nisani though xp
If you end up playing as town though, don't post like that at all :X
Thoughts on game going up tonight, I have a lot to say about this.
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Wow, if ET hadn't been mafia I think I would have shot myself :p
Yes, I dunno why but all of the Obs QT was convinced ET was scum by D2, but I'm more concerned how no townie even tried to analyse ET in the whole game.
Either way, since the Obs QT has nothing to do with the game (and the fact that all that's said in the Obs QT can be trusted, so it's easier to make analysis and share ideas), you've played great fooling every townie.
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On February 19 2012 11:21 gonzaw wrote: Yes, I dunno why but all of the Obs QT was convinced ET was scum by D2, but I'm more concerned how no townie even tried to analyse ET in the whole game.
Evidently you didn't read the whole game.
I said (I think night 2) that either ET or Sentinel was mafia. Obviously I picked the wrong one.
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On February 19 2012 11:26 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:21 gonzaw wrote: Yes, I dunno why but all of the Obs QT was convinced ET was scum by D2, but I'm more concerned how no townie even tried to analyse ET in the whole game.
Evidently you didn't read the whole game. I said (I think night 2) that either ET or Sentinel was mafia. Obviously I picked the wrong one.
But when Sentinel died, you backed off ET.
Anyways, considering everybody was convinced Sentinel was mafia, saying "Either ET or Sentinel is mafia" sounds more like "Sentinel is mafia" rather than "ET is mafia"
Also, you were one of the townies that made most sense, so I'm not talking to you particularly, I'm talking to town in general.
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Post Game Thoughts
I'm doing this kind of free-form and without pre-thought, so it might be sort of all over the place. First of all, my sincerest apologies to Timeaisis, Sinensis, and TheToast; I insulted/berated you guys to try and achieve my win condition. I hope you didn't take it personally and will still play TL Mafia. I'm still working on my playstyle for both town and mafia, and this game I might've gone a little too far at times.
Personally:
The Good:
-Game plan: I essentially wanted to play a game similar to my first game (make big analytical posts that look convincing, but are utterly wrong), but I knew that I would have to be more active considering my two teammates we're being lurky. This worked out VERY WELL; even though my play was not as solid as it could have been, as I had a few slips of suspicion, by the end game, I had worked up enough cred that there was no way I could have been lynched over one of the lurkers.
-prplhz: My attachment to prplhz worked better than I could have expected. At the very start of the game I knew that prplhz was a threat due to his prior experience with sinani. My initial game plan revolved around getting prplhz mislynched D2, then taking down the people accusing him (TheToast, maybe Sentinel or someone). However, prplhz busted out that shot on sinani and my game went to hell. Luckily, I hadn't made a real stand on prplhz and had been soft defending him by arguing against the logic on him. That, coupled with the fact that prplhz liked my reads, meant that when he became confirmed townie, there was almost no way I was going to be lynched. Confirmed townies can be very powerful for town, but this game showed the danger of Mafia buddying; I was in prplhz blindspot, and even if he had suspected me, he was not going to pursue me over others.
-Sowing chaos while pretending not to: There were a lot of players who were disrupting town environment unintentionally. Prplhz, for voting kind of erratically without analysis (in a game full of new players, voting w/o analysis is taboo), Sinensis vote leader plan, Sentinel's aloof nature, etc. Because I criticized all of this less-than-pro-town actions, it looked as though I was trying to keep the town together, when in reality, by criticizing all of these people I increased discord.
The Bad:
-Looks accountable, actually not at all: My calling out of Timeaisis was not anti-town, in my personal opinion. If I was town, I could still see myself thinking that Timeaisis was a newbie scum. However, as prplhz hinted at, after D1 my appearance became much less assured. I didn't commit as strongly as I did before. If people had scrutinized the thread more, they would notice that I barely interacted with BF, and that my analysis on him only came after it was all but assured he was going to be lynched. I'm not sure how to rectify this; I feel that trying to appear like an over-confident townie for too long is dangerous, but if I shy away from that in later days, I look bad, as the obs QT furiously claimed.
-we bad at making shots: This one, I'm not quite sure on, but I think the Mafia shots could have been better. We were only able to spot the blues after they both claimed, and we shot people with low town presence anyways. My overall plan was to shoot out the blues, because I felt that a lot of the scummy players I could get mislynched. It also was good that we didn't shoot TheToast, as he got medic protected, but still: I had no clue that Sentinel was blue, except for that small hint he left out. And of course, his claim rofl rofl.
Do you guys think that the shots Mafia made were good? Were there any earlier signs that Sentinel was a medic? Also, as a rule of thumb is it better to try and go blue hunting, or to shoot dangerous townies with town-cred?
-dat vet claim: It was fun to do, but it brought unnecessary attention. The Delay mechanic in this game was more powerful than I expected; it helped me hide behind the scummy/lurky townies. However, I should have just delayed, let the town speculate about what happened to the KP, then win the game with ease.
-communication: we needed more of it, simply put. sinani dying so early was detrimental for this, of course.
In General
-Town needs good environment!!: The town in this game loved to argue with each other: prplhz and TheToast especially. Because TheToast comitted very early to a strong scum read on prplhz, prplhz was never going to fully back TheToast. Similarly, the discord sown by Sinensis calling people imbeciles, and Bluelightz list spamming, meant that the town had little chance. Towns don't necessarily have to be super organized, but they at least have to be cohesive.
-always be willing to revise your opinions!: I'm not sure how much prplhz thought I was town, but because he didn't rly reasses me, I went unnoticed. Similarly, TheToast's strong adherance to his initial reads of prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel meant that he had little leeway when the mislynches started piling up. TheToast's strong posting meant that a lot of the town followed him in those beliefs, and the lack of reassessment hurt the town. D1 reads are very very hard to get right, so trying to come up with the FULL scum team and push this for most of N1 is not the best.
on the other hand:
-be willing to go all out if you think/know you're right: TheToast could have gone after me harder. Sentinel could have crafted a better defense without claiming. Nisani could have defended himself way better. Part of the reason that I stayed alive was that I was willing to put up long ass posts defending myself. Vanilla townies need to be willing to put up the work so that the game can go on.
-Tainted? Framer? I did not really get the point of the tainted and the framer in this set up. While having a RBer around, with no blues, is very interesting because the Mafia might RB into greens and assume there are blues, the Framer gives no notification, so there is less hindrence to Mafia. On the other hand, the presence of these factors may make town think that there is a DT, and they might become dependent on this notion. I think this was a bad thing for town, as they speculated a decent amount on blues that were never going to manifest.
I had a fun time, and put a lot of work into this game, so I'm glad it paid off. thx to sinani and BF for setting up the Mafia for the win. BIG thanks to GMarshal and redFF for hosting, and for answering my numerous, nooby questions. TheToast, you nearly had me; with a more cohesive town you'll do just fine.
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On February 17 2012 12:43 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:36 EchelonTee wrote: Since GMarshal previously did a 3 goon vs. 1 vig 2 vet set up
No... Closest thing to that was 3 goons vs 2 vets :-P
Your Suprisingly Normal III that prplhz mentioned has this; that post is what led me to consider the presence of vets, after the vig was revealed.
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TheToast clearly played a decent game, he successfully convinced everybody on day1 that he was town and he kept up his activity throughout the entire game. That said, his reads were all over the place. So he accused EchelonTee of being scum at some point, who didn't he accuse at any point? If I hadn't been vigilante this game would likely have been essentially lost on day1 because of his mindless tunneling of seemingly random people. He accused like everybody and refused to discuss anything and that's big part of the reason nobody listened to him.
This game isn't just about having a correct list of scum on day1, it's about winning. If you want to win you can't just be good at finding scum, you also need to be good at getting them lynched, and TheToast had a hard time getting anybody lynched primarily because he was annoying, spammy, and chaotic.
I think TheToast was second best townie in this game (after me, yea) but how he was incessantly on my back was also part of the reason EchelonTee was so successful in buddying with me. There simply wasn't an alternative supporter in this town because TheToast spent the entire game yelling at me and nobody else seemed to care too much about the game. I'm not blaming TheToast for anything, I should have been able to win this game from the position I was able to put myself in, but going around saying "lol, i knew scum team, the other guys just didn't listen" isn't going to make anybody any better at this game and that would be sad. Ultimately, I enjoyed playing with TheToast because he was the only townie besides me who I think really cared about this game. Even though he got on my nerves so fucking bad I wanted to replace out more than a few times.
I wrote my opinion on EchelonTee right after the BaronFel lynch, he looked town but mostly because everybody else made that very easy. Some other townies didn't really care about this game, some were just dicking around, some intentionally spent a big portion of the game trying to get on my bad side. In hindsight, I see that EchelonTee was the last scum and hopefully I learned from it and will not be making a similar mistake again in a future game.
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>.< I suppose if I was townie in this game I would have been raging and facepalming ceaselessly. You make a good point though... a lot of the townies in this game didn't do enough.
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On February 19 2012 12:03 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 12:43 GMarshal wrote:On February 17 2012 12:36 EchelonTee wrote: Since GMarshal previously did a 3 goon vs. 1 vig 2 vet set up
No... Closest thing to that was 3 goons vs 2 vets :-P Your Suprisingly Normal III that prplhz mentioned has this; that post is what led me to consider the presence of vets, after the vig was revealed. Completely forgot that that setup had a vigi -__-
Oh well, shame on me :-P
Anyway, with regards to the tainted/framer, they were a very deliberate inclusion in the game. The framer was there to make you guys fear a dt, and the tainted were there to decive the town into thinking it was there as well, allowing you guys to fakeclaim it if you so desired. BaronFel's final defense should have been a DT claim, at worst it would have forced a claim, at best, Baron would have survived. I'm trying to break the town's dependency on DTs, while forcing the mafia to play as if they existed (since it should encourage you not to lurk), all in all, it could have hurt town had they assumed the existence of a dt (a pitfall which they avoided, good job) and given the mafia team the tools to make some nice plays, while still forcing activity in the thread and deliberate blue hunting on your teams part.
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I totally disagree that my random vote was bad for town. I nailed sinani206 in big part because of his reaction to my random vote and the only guy who thought I was scummy because of it was TheToast. I mean, he really thought I was pushing a sinani206 lynch based on how he killed my command center. The third time TheToast brought this up I facepalmed so hard that I almost put my hand through my skull. Also, your reaction to my day3 Nisani201 vote sheeping was really scummy to me, I was really pissed that my second biggest town read was acting so confused but I decided that it wasn't too important. If I had been able to use it a little better I think it would have been a game winning move, in the end it just allowed me to kill a scum and it didn't do any harm at all.
I don't think the town environment was all too bad, there was some inactivity and there were people with null/town lists, there were people who didn't care about the game, there were people who spent the entire game fighting against me instead of trying to debate with me, there was how I just took charge of everything after night1 which made people feel less encouraged to do original work, but overall it was alright. Look at the other minis, this game was decent in activity and analysis so it absolutely wasn't bad.
I think the mafia shots were absolutely alright although you should have picked up on the "final defense" thing (so should I). I really wanted to speak up for [UoN]Sentinel on day3 (as this post shows) but I couldn't make myself do it when he had straight up admitted to being "dicking around". Meh, don't ever do that again. Dick around or admit to it. There's nothing people who are taking this game seriously hates more than people not taking it seriously at all. Anyway, your shots were good in my opinion since you were planning on buddying with me and there could have been a medic prevent them. Shooting lurkers and buddying with active townies and shooting active townies while hiding among lurkers are both decent I think. Maybe you should have shot Bluelightz and [UoN]Sentinel first because first gamers can be really hard to read for town.
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Oh I didn't think your initial vote on sinani was bad. Hmm tbh none of your votes were really that bad, but people were like "omg he voted sinensis without reasoning, he's scum"; the way you were playing, no one wanted to listen to you, even after your claim, which I found kind of funny.
I did notice Sentinel's "final defense", but for some reason I didn't think to shoot him immediately. I guess I thought that TheToast was going to push him for me.
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I don't really see it that way. Every single person I pushed in this game got lynched over people other people wanted to get lynched (excluding day3 but that was a weird day). I'm not really concerned that nobody WANTED to listen to me, as long as they ultimately did listen to me.
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