EPT... I clearly addressed and refuted his every point.
Where'd you do that?
Why did you think you'd be guillotined by now?
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
Where'd you do that? Why did you think you'd be guillotined by now? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 03 2012 10:05 Sinensis wrote: Where'd you do that? Why did you think you'd be guillotined by now? Before I left I saw a sudden surge of votes for me. I expected people to just copy and paste that voting button and lynch lynch lynch. On February 03 2012 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Alright, I'll explain the Hedonist bit. My train of thought revolved around using detectives to check suspicious players, which goes to nil if the Hedonist can just target the same player, so either he's scum and gets saved or he's not scum but is under suspicion. For blue roles, I'm just assuming that. There's 9 citizens, I'm betting 3 of those are out there, maybe 4 if we're lucky. If you go check bluelights, he actually went as far as to say "1 of each role, 1 of each scum but the hedonist, and 5 townies." I'm wondering why you didn't say anything about that. Assuming there's 1 of each except for the hedonist (a 25% chance, there are 4 possible permutations if no scumrole is doubled) is a bit more scummy than assuming scum has a hedonist (75% chance by same prediction). And what I'm saying is that Day 1 mislynch (after confirmation) is worse than Day 1 no lynch. At least in no lynch we spare a potential townie. Given that you're following the vote on me from Nisani's same train of thought (and completely ignoring Messrs. Bluelightz and prplhz), I could use the same argument on you. And time, I just saw you declare bandwagoning. You're next on my suspicion list after Sinensis. Time to nap. I feel like I have addressed and refuted his every point. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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[UoN]Sentinel
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5202 Posts
On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. prplhz hasn't posted since his attack on sinensis. how is he being hostile and or scummy? On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote: And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Wtf? I'm pointing out your flippity floppity, not defending sentinel. idgaf about sentinel; however you're sowing chaos in thread. Your tone in this sentence: you're putting on airs as if you're exposing something underhanded I am doing, when in reality, you're just trying to discredit me with nothing. I was thinking that you were just newbie townie, your filter is full of stuff like this: On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good.  Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
Quick bandwagon on Sentinel is suspicious... | ||
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Timeaisis
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On February 03 2012 10:35 EchelonTee wrote: Talking about being new over and over is a weak scum tell; giving yourself an excuse for bad reasoning/lack of actual analysis is scummy, but new players are often just that: new. But to emphasize your noobiness then start advancing bandwagons while having a curious lack of logic or initiative? you're newbie scum. ##Vote Timeaisis I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5202 Posts
On February 03 2012 11:55 Timeaisis wrote: I didn't realize saying it once was "over and over", but OK. Whatever you say. On February 02 2012 12:57 Timeaisis wrote: Hey everyone, I'm new at this so don't go too hard on me, but I think I'll reserve my vote until we get a clear understanding of who is in our midst. . directly stating On February 02 2012 13:17 Timeaisis wrote: I haven't played any games myself, but I've read a couple of threads and understand more or less how it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm any good. restating badness On February 02 2012 14:42 Timeaisis wrote: OK, good to know. So basically, if someone speaks once and then is silent, that's a sign. But sounds like inactives are gonna get killed anyway. Good to know. this is a tone thing; emphasizing your lack of knowledge you could, you know, respond to every part of my posts. | ||
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Timeaisis
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I don't think that sinani206, Nisani201 and I should be treated any differently from the rest of you. We may have played a lot of games but I doubt any of us would argue that we're too awesome at this game. We don't go around ravishing scum teams on a regular basis at all. What you should expect of us is that we will act logical and coherent, but you should expect this from anybody in this game. @sinani206 Do you truly believe any of that nonsense you just posted about me? | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
@Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him Timeaisis On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable). But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. On February 03 2012 06:16 mderg wrote: Did I understand it right that the day 1 lynch isn´t as important to you as other lynches? This can give scum a good opportunity to vote without proper reason... and that´s not what we want. Also I don´t like how you just assume there´s a Vigilante and a Hedonist in this game. The setup is semi-open, so we can´t be sure about that. Especially "knowing" about a Hedonist in the game indicates that you might be scum... a town player shouldn´t know that. These are minor aspects off your play and don´t mean you´re scum, but right now you´re my top suspect. Along with the easily following the votes on Sinensis it justifies a vote from me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) I am voting him. ##Vote: mderg Sinensis On February 03 2012 09:48 Sinensis wrote: Yes I have backed off random voting because no one was for it. I said when I proposed all of my ideas that they were up for debate/criticism/modification, that I was just trying to talk strategy. Then people started voting me. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis Nisani On February 03 2012 01:29 Nisani201 wrote: You guys make this too easy. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me. That's it Sinani please post some more, ty! | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On February 03 2012 04:51 Sinensis wrote: FoS: Sentinel FoS: prplhz FoS: Bluelightz For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win. 1). Throwing votes early ~Is voicing my opinion bad? 2). Being indesicive ~Im kinda wishy-washy with reads, look at Purgatory Mafia d1 if you want to take a look  | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
Right now I'm convinced that Bluelightz is Scum. But first let's start off with why Sinesis: is a townie. I was pretty worried about him a few pages back, he seemed to be advocating for a vote system that clearly was a benefit to Mafia. After I called him out about it, suddendly he started suspecting the same people that a few posts earlier I had expressed suspecion about and then said I was confirmed town. Odd. But in reviewing his posts, I found two interesting details: Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. To me these quotes suggest that Sinesis really just doesn't know how the game works. His idea about the "vote leader" also suggests townie to me, Mafia would know they could just use their KP on that person. Newer mafia player is also going to be much more reserved, rather than come out loudly suggesting terrible ideas. I think an agent of the enemy would look fairer, and feel fowler Bluelightz Let's start with the obvious scum. His first post is a dead giveaway: + Show Spoiler [Long Ass Post] + On February 02 2012 18:09 Bluelightz wrote: Sup guys got my role PM anyway, Here's my take on roles 1 Of the vets(Sinani/prplhz) is SCUM(Not sure about this tho if GM wants to screw with us 3/3 Chaos Followers Remain ?/1 Chaos Cultist(s) ?/1 Chaos Fatespinner(s) ?/1 Chaos Plaguebearer(s) ?/0 Chaos Hedonist(s) 9/9 Imperial Forces Remain ?/5/6 Imperial Guardsmen ?/1?Imperial Priest(s) ?/1? Imperial Psyker(s) ?/1?Imperial Stormtrooper(s) ?/1? Imperial Commissar(s) ?/1/2? Tainted By Chaos DISREGARD ANY CLAIMS BESIDES THE TOWN ROLES ABOVE. Also, note to everyone if we have a dt please breadcrumb your results so if you die we can find them Never, NEVER, I repeat never NO LYNCH D1 Anyways to who I think is possibly a traitor among us, ##Vote: Sinensis No one, should decide who to lynch, people themselves should decide who to vote. Also: Fluff "I think we should kill first night, I think we should kill first night again" VOTING How many mislynches till LYLO( including mafia kills, but not delay) not including possible vig kills/dt checks/medic heals/vet hits + Show Spoiler + 12-3 -> 10-3 10-3 -> 8-3 8-3 -> 6-3 6-3 -> 4-3 4-3(LYLO) Voting Strat: ~Never, never never EVER RNG Lynch(Though there is that 25% chance >.<) ~We should always lynch d1 because without the first lynch we will lack lots of information without it. ~LA-Lurkers, If we don't find a lynch candidate I'm fine with lynching a lurker Lurkers: Lurkers HURT TOWN, if you are lurking STOP IT. I will not tolerate lurkers, in Mini Mafia's with not a lot of people Lurkers hurt real bad. Lurkers, hurt town how? ~Less Information ~Less possibilities for lynching ~Possibly a vote lost to town, because most lurkers sheep. Closing words: I will tolerate lurkers for the first 24 hours because not all players are awake/have acces to the computer to post. Spoilering because it is STUPID long What is all of this? Is any of this useful information? No. This is all pointless junk that bluelightz threw in because he wanted to make it seem like he was doing some in depth analysis. What he really did was just call out the townie who was being the loudest and avocating a dumb idea. A very clear Mafia tactic. Look back, it was actually bluelightz who started the bandwagon on Sinesis. After Sinesis accuses him of having an agenda, Bluelightz immediately changes course and unvotes Sinesis. Then prplhz hops on the bandwagon (remember this) as does [UoN]Sentinel. Based on this development Bluelightz decides to again vote for Sinesis. (why in the world would two other people voting for the same guy make you change your vote???) When I called out Bluelightz for this very thing, he AGAIN changed course and unvoted Sinesis. After ET calls out Timeasis, Bluelightz again hops on the bandwagon and FOS's him. Then bluelightz changes him mind AGAIN and votes mdrg + Show Spoiler [Another Long Ass Post] + On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm, @Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him Timeaisis You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) I am voting him. ##Vote: mderg Sinensis Voting cause other people voting him? Sup sheep.If you would vote someone you could at least provide a reason.This thing might be newb town so, I'm holding of the thought of lynching Sinensis Nisani He explains his reasons later on, and by the way he's posting he's Null to me. That's it Sinani please post some more, ty! Interesting thing here is the defense of Sentinel. "Since Sentinel is getting bandwaggoned(?) I'm gonna see why poeple voted him". Okay. Then proceeds to "see" why Timeasis went against Sentinel. You dont simply sheep, if you think prp is scum push HIM and not what other people think is scum.Though sheeping is not necesarrily scummy, I'm leaning scummy/newb town on him. Now wait, this seems more like you are telling Timeasis should not vote Sentinel. Not really a fair analysis. Then he proceeds to "analyze" Mderg. On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? Also coupled with some lurking( not thaat bad though) Wait, so we went from seeing "why" people were bandwagoning on Sentinel (without giving ANY reason why you thought Sentinel was clean) to accusing mderg in one paragraph. Wtf? I also find it interesting that after mderg points out what may be a mafia slip up from Sentinel, you immediately start attacking him. Smooth. What's the defense to all of this? ~Im kinda wishy-washy with reads, look at Purgatory Mafia d1 if you want to take a look KIND OF???? At this point I am 100% convinced that Bluelightz is Chaos scum, and he would seem to have inadvertantly fingered Sentinel along with him. Right now I'm going Bluelightz as I am very sure he is Mafia, less so about Sentinel. I would prefer to take out the confirmed scum first, but if we get close to Night 1 and most votes are still on Sentinel, I will switch to ensure we get the 7 needed. ##Vote Bluelightz | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
I'm not entirely sure who the third is yet. I have some ideas, but not enough evidence to make a definate claim. If we get some more responses from people I'll let you know. As I said I'm fairly confident Sentinel is the second, but not 100% sure. Also, I'm fairly confident sinani206 is town. If he was Mafia, he would be much more active this game. He's vet enough to know that when Mafia Lurk they tend to lose. | ||
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mderg
Germany1739 Posts
On February 03 2012 10:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Before I left I saw a sudden surge of votes for me. I expected people to just copy and paste that voting button and lynch lynch lynch. The sudden surge of votes was 3 votes in around 5 hours and there wasn´t anyone just deeming you scum, so you shouldn´t have worried about being lynched. There´s no way a town player would place the hammer vote on someone who´s only suspicious but not cleared as scum. At least not this early in the day. On February 03 2012 10:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I feel like I have addressed and refuted his every point. You at least addressed all my points and gave reasons for everything you said. I wouldn´t say you refuted every point because these reasons were be pretty easy to find, even if my post would be right in every point. But there aren´t any logical flaws in your reasoning, so I can´t deem you scum. On February 03 2012 12:43 Timeaisis wrote: Good to know. This post shows no intention of finding scum. It seems like you´re just pissed at him because he thinks of you as suspicious. It could also be that you´re scum and try to make this look like a ridiculous read by him. But at least posting something that was already called suspicious on purpose doesn´t feel right to me. On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: This makes me suspicious of him, are you trying to lead town to not believe that there is a Hedonist? Sentinel's post could easily be a guess No I´m not. There could very well be a Hedonist in the setup. But IMO every speculation about the setup is stupid on day 1... we have no hints on it other than the possible roles, so we should focus on finding scum rather than thinking about how many of which roles are in the game. So I didn´t/don´t want something like this: On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: before we can know anything about the setup.@Sentinel I take back my setup guess so my latest guess of each and I think the setup is 1 DT & Medic + 7 vt + 2 scum + 1 rb On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: On his first paragraph, There is no way people can vote without reason on day1(not including sheeping). Would people just go away and just leave posts saying ##Vote: __________? I never said people could vote without reason. What I meant is that scum could get away with weak reasons or just getting on bandwagons and then argue that they were just voting for weak reasons because it wasn´t that damaging to town. On February 03 2012 16:36 Bluelightz wrote: Also coupled with some lurking wtf? | ||
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mderg
Germany1739 Posts
On February 02 2012 13:52 Timeaisis wrote: Agreed. On February 02 2012 15:50 Timeaisis wrote: I agree. On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote: But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going. On February 03 2012 06:37 Timeaisis wrote: And yeah, I agree with mderg that you are probably scum. This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 04 2012 02:25 mderg wrote: This also seems odd to me. You agreed with others and went with the flow quite often. This might indicate a lack of interest to bring in much of your own thoughts, something I see more on the scummy side. Doesn´t make you scum but: FoS: Timeaisis I highly doubt that Timeaisis is scum. First is the fact that he is a first time Mafia, GM is not the kind of host that would put a first time player on scumteam. Very quick way for the game to be over. His vote against Vilonis also tips me off that he is townie, Mafia would not want to draw extra attention to themselves like that. First time Mafia also tend to want to lurk to avoid causing any suspecion. Also his current vote is on Sentinel. Most of us seem to be in agreement that there is a good chance Sentinel is scum, a view I hope you would support since that's who you have voted. Mafia (epsecially first time Mafia) are not going to jump onto the bandwagon of one of their own. His analysis is not very good. Going with the flow does not indicate scummyness, actually probably the oposite. Focus on the people we have good analysis against so far; Sentinel and Bluelightz. Whoever the third person is, I am willing to bet they are more of a Vet. There are a few people who have so far been playing too perfectly, I don't want to call anyone out yet before we have good evidence as I don't want to risk a townie getting bandwagoned. But there are a few people we need to focus on to get more information from. Take a look, I think you will see the people I am talking about. | ||
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