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On February 03 2012 01:52 Nisani201 wrote:
Sinensis is not scum. prplhz started the bandwagon but Sentinel moved it forward. If he's not scum then it's probably prplhz or someone else on the bandwagon.
Actually Bluelightz called out Sinensis first, then went back on it, then voted him again when Sentinel hopped on the wagon. prplhz actually voted sinani206 first.
Why are you so convinced Sinesis is not scum?
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Scum, especially newb scum, wouldn't say something like "let me decide who to RNG list" and put themselves in the spotlight like that. Bluelightz voted Sinesis too but unvoted before there was any sort of opposition, which doesn't seem very scummy to me.
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Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though...
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Also, in regards to the fact that I agreed with Sinensis argument in the beginning of the game. He was pretty much the first person to talk strategy, and most of it I agreed with (namely D1 Lycnh), however I never agreed with RNGing. I think we have a better chance if we think it through.
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On February 03 2012 02:14 Nisani201 wrote:
Scum, especially newb scum, wouldn't say something like "let me decide who to RNG list" and put themselves in the spotlight like that. Bluelightz voted Sinesis too but unvoted before there was any sort of opposition, which doesn't seem very scummy to me.
Unless he is employing "counter timing" whereby as scum he does something really stupid that makes himself overtly look like scum thereby averting all suspicions of him being scum. O-o
Though I agree that at the moment there isn't enough evidence against Sinesis to make any definitive scum call, I can't say for certain he is not.
For reference, Bluelightz actually voted Sinesis, unvoted Sinesis, then voted Sinesis when Sentinel hopped on board, then unvoted Sinesis again when I called him out.
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I expected people to get emotional about my plan and throw votes around because of it, oh well I guess that's what I get for being new and posting idea's.
All I really wanted to say was:
1. We shouldn't vote no matter what until every person has at least 1 vote in the thread
2. Odds of randomly lynching on the first night are 25%
3. Since no one knows who anyone is, any's random pick is as good as random for the first night
4. Even though to my noob brain killing the first night seems like it would be in favor of the Chaos stowaways, I don't see what choice we have honestly and think we should do it anyone
All I've tried to do is rally people around the idea that someone needs to be lynched and in order to make it happen, half or more votes needs to be for the same person. The only way I can think to get all our votes to match is if we had a "vote leader" who decided who we all vote for. If you don't like that idea, and I'm not sold on it because it does present a chance for sabotage, don't just vote for me to get lynched and say "your dead scum." This is constructive how? How about talk about a better idea for a plan or options at least?
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I meant to say post and not vote in 1
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Well, vote leader screams scum sabotage to me. That sounds like if there's a scum "vote leader" then we are completly screwed. So I'm still for individual votes.
By the way, has anyone not posted yet? Because I'm leaning voting for them if only to get some sort of response.
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OK, well I checked and it looks like everyone has posted something, however Vilonis had one introductory post and hasn't said anything since. So...
##Vote: Vilonis
No offense man, I just want a response.
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Sinensis you are ever increasing the evidence against you.
Why you keep advocating dumb vote systems, over just figuring out who is scum and killing them, is beyond me. Why are you so against the idea of analysis?
Scum have 1 kp per night in this game. Meaning if we accidentally lynch a town member Mafia will then kill another town member. So no, we cannot risk just randomly killing someone. We need to figure out who is scum and lynch them today or go no lynch. (I prefer the d1 lynch, but if we can't agree better to lose only 1 townie instead of 2).
Also, we've been talking about options for the last few pages. You are so far one of the few who have not put forward some ideas about who should go down for the D1 lynch. You keep trying to railroad the thread towards your ideas but you have provided almost no analysis about who you think is scum.
I would call you out for being scum, but I can't help but think that if you were the other two mafia members would be trying to get you to stop posting stuff.
On February 03 2012 02:54 Timeaisis wrote:
Well, vote leader screams scum sabotage to me. That sounds like if there's a scum "vote leader" then we are completly screwed. So I'm still for individual votes.
By the way, has anyone not posted yet? Because I'm leaning voting for them if only to get some sort of response.
See that may have been a good idea if you hadn't announced it to the whole thread.
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I don´t think we´d be completely screwed, if there was a scum vote leader because there wouldn´t be a vote leader on day 2 anymore. But I´m still against deciding on a vote leader as this hinders the thoughts put into lynching with reasons and can give scum basically a safe day for free.
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I haven't decided who I think is scum yet. I keep advocating dumb voting systems because I don't see any other ideas and I am trying to do what I can.
The people throwing around "vote" "unvote" like this is facebook would be my first guess. prplhz and Bluelightz at the moment I'm suspicious of.
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Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying.
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...seriously? advocating a single person to lead the votes? who comes up with this crap lol. that's a terrible idea even when there are strong scumhunters in a game. of which this game is lacking in.
mobile phone postinggg
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btw, if you're suspicious of someone you could easily FoS them.
FoS: Timeaisis
see? like that!
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FoS: Sentinel
FoS: prplhz
FoS: Bluelightz
For throwing their votes around before the rest of anyone even had a chance to say something. prplhz's posting is cryptic/suspicious in general in my opinion. Sentinel for a bandwagon vote. Bluelightz because he's extremely indecisive with his vote so far, though it could be he's just indecisive, being indecisive with your vote isn't going to get us a win.
I'm curious what EchelonTee sees in Timeaisis.
Nisani201 seems to share similar suspicions as me.
TheToast's agenda seems loyal to the Emperor.
That is all for now.
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I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this.
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[UoN]Sentinel:
Who is looking scummy to you right now?
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I am thinking FoS on Sinensis for reasons stated previously.
And Nisani... well, I see where he's coming from, but I find it a little bit odd that he found blue 100% green while finding me 100% because of the bandwagon. My vote was on Sinensis because of what we have to work with.
Day 1, all we have to work with is how people post their opinions, and how direct they are. Obviously fluff is a major issue here because posting something in 3 paragraphs that can be explained in 2 sentences. Combine that with a horrible idea (RNG for voting) and you got yourself a suspicious case.
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EBWOP: Obviously fluff is a major issue here because posting something in 3 paragraphs that can be explained in 2 sentences inflates the thread, and makes skimming (which sometimes you have to do) less reliable and more confusing.
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