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On June 08 2011 13:57 youngminii wrote:
ON, as someone who's slated to be lynched, I feel as if your methods are a little off putting. Why are you putting on heat against Palmar when you should be defending yourself? You kind of just ignored the accusations put against you and went straight for Palmar. Perhaps you're scum and you've given up and you're trying to confuse us before you die by creating/severing a connection between you and Palmar. Perhaps you're town and you genuinely think Palmar is scum.
Defend yourself, or you will be lynched.
Contributing like that is a good thing. Yes, he needs to also defend himself, but contributing by providing another (alternative) target is something that needs to be done if he wants to live. Besides, both jeejee and I have asked him to provide an alternative, so I don't see the general action as being odd.
@JeeJee: Just wanted to say...
Dumbest thing I've ever read. Number of reasons isn't ever relevant, it's the quality of the reasons that matter. Yes. It was in response to you saying that there was no "majority" of reasons against sinani's lynch in his post. That was a really stupid anti-argument (as it was never about the majority, but the quality), so I answered it with a really stupid answer.
sometimes you just have to go along with the rest of the town's opinion
That is called sheeping, and it's bad town play, even day 1. If sinani is the clear leader in votes, why would he need to "go along with the rest of the town" ?
@OriginalName:
What I want to hear you defend yourself against is your pre-lynch behavior. I agree with most of your points about the bandwagon, but I want to hear you explain why you voted Sinani when you clearly didn't think he was a good lynch.
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On June 05 2011 11:13 Varpulis wrote:
At least he's sharing his opinion and his reasons why.
On June 06 2011 01:41 Varpulis wrote:
Sinani206 -Actively lurking, not providing opinion, posting lists in order to seem like he's contributing.
I wouldn't be so quick to disregard prplhz's analysis. He actually brought up a few really good points, he just emphasized the wrong ones. This is a really odd thing for you to say, and I agree with prplhz that the reasons that you gave for voting Sinani were very similar to the same reasons that he gave earlier (and to which you responded "Not sure how you came to the conclusion "this is scum" with that analysis.")
You were in my town book, but this is making me reconsider. I'll be look back through your posts, and I suggest that others do as well.
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@minii
At this point, anyone that's not voting for ON will obviously be put under scrutiny if he flips red.
First, this is such a scum approach to things. It's quite akin to the "fine, when he flips green, town better lynch you" defense. Results don't decide someone's greenness or scummyness. Only reasons, posts and actions do. If ON flips red, that doesn't automatically make Kav/you green, and it doesn't make me red for defending ON. My reasons are solid, and Kav's aren't -- regardless of what ON flips. Likewise, if ON flips green, it doesn't make Kav/you red. It just makes you wrong. And hella suspect.
And surely since you played games before this, you know this. And yet, you write it anyway. Not for the first time this game either. Why?
This is the fourth major anti-town move you made this game. (for those too lazy to read my other posts:
1) supporting an anti-town claim plan (yet using results to claim it would be a good idea? are you kidding me? welcome to vivi-ville)
2) using results of d1 lynch to claim innocence
3) ignoring my counterargument for ON's lynch completely
4) this)
The fact that neither you, nor Kav have responded to the obvious flaws in Kav's argument, makes you both extremely scummy. Because by responding in detail, not only will the doubt of your analysis grow in others, but attract more attention to it. And we can't have that, now can we?
Unless of course, you count "lol get some coaching" as a valid response. For the record, I talked to Coach Ace, although apparently I am forbidden from putting his opinions in this thread, so I'm just writing this for completeness' sake.
@kav's latest post (is this supposed to address my concerns?)
@JeeJee: Just wanted to say... Show nested quote +Dumbest thing I've ever read. Number of reasons isn't ever relevant, it's the quality of the reasons that matter. Yes. It was in response to you saying that there was no "majority" of reasons against sinani's lynch in his post. That was a really stupid anti-argument (as it was never about the majority, but the quality), so I answered it with a really stupid answer.
Does "There is more in that post explaining why sinani is innocent than there is condeming him." sound familiar? It should, as it was the opening line of your argument.
I don't bring shitty arguments out of nowhere; I shut them down.
I'm appealing to other townies here to reconsider this whole ill-conceived wagon on ON and instead vote for its suspect source:
##Vote:Kavdragon
I'm the only voice against this wagon -- shouldn't that tell you something? Either I'm the most obvious mafia in existence, taking on a huge risk to save my scumbuddy, or I'm using my head. When was the last time townies started to vote for a mafia on shoddy grounds, and the mafia were just like "oh okay let's let them do that, no problem".
I'm off to a tooth cleaning thingy (fml this is gonna suck) but just use your head and re-consider the motives behind what people are posting now.
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You're absolutely right JeeJee, I don't disagree with your vote against Kav. Personally however, I think it is a misguided attempt at trying to find scum just because you think ON's lynch isn't justified.
I'm still of the belief that ON's lynch will give us more information than lynching anyone else can. I also think he's the most scummy in the town right now. If he flips green, I promise I'll support you in getting some answers from Kav.
I never said "lol get some coaching" was a valid response, in fact I told Kav not to say that type of stuff in game because it doesn't contribute anything towards scumhunting and just makes you look weaker to the newcomers when a more experienced player says it.
I'm the only voice against this wagon -- shouldn't that tell you something? Either I'm the most obvious mafia in existence, taking on a huge risk to save my scumbuddy, or I'm using my head
This may very well be true, but there is another option. Misguided town. If ON flips red I won't be blaming you because you do have the right intentions.
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You're wrong about my argument being invalid, and you are starting to purposefully interpret things incorrectly.
The reason why I asked you to get coaching was because i was hoping that that person would tell you to let my accusations sit for a while, so that we could see the response from ON, NOT YOU. The response is pivotal to the strength of the lynch, and it screws with things when someone else is defending him.
You say that I haven't responded to your post, but I have responded to them line by line TWICE.
"There is more in that post explaining why sinani is innocent than there is condeming him." THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. There was more in that post explaining why sinani is a bad lynch then there was good. I was never talking about numbers untill you brought it up. It was always about the content. The reasons against Sinani's lynch are both better reasoned, and more convincing than the point that he brings against Sinani.
Quite honestly, if it hadn' been for the fact that you immediately jumped in and started defending ON, I would have backed off this morning, and looked for someone else, because i agree that the bandwagon came way too quickly. The fact that you are so hardcore defending someone is what is keeping me so suspicious.
In any case, critisize me for this next move all you want, but I think it's the best move for town, so I'm going to do it.
##Unvote: OriginalName
Yeah. There are a few major realizations that I had that lead me to believe that ON is innocent.
One: JeeJee is almost certainly not scum defending scum. This means that the only way that OriginalName is scum, is if he's being bussed. I've bussed ON myself, and this is NOT how he goes down. This is not a bus.
Two: The entire day has been REALLY quiet. If mafia had one of their own on the stand, they wouldn't be sitting back like this. Makes no sense. This feels like the mafia are just sitting back laughing at the bandwagon that is forming, and want us to not discuss it, so they are hanging back, and not talking much.
Like I said before, the response to pressure is huge, and I don't think that the reponse is saying scum. It's saying the opposite.
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EBWODP:
OriginalName is really scummy. I still hold to my arguments earlier. However, after pressuring him, and gauging the response by both him, and all the players, I think that even though he looks scummy, he is not scum.
What we need now is to find who we will lynch. Oh, and YM: Lynching for information is anti-town. It's tempting, i know but it's NOT how we do things.
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I suggest Unichan as a an alternative. I'm looking thorough to build an argument (and to make sure that there really is one), but I can't be the only one doing work here. There are a lot of people who have been extremely inactive during day2 and I want to hear from them
For now, unless my research finds otherwise,
##Vote: Unichan
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Right, I'm in norway now. fuck you guys have a lot of trees.
So here's what I think about the current situation.
My biggest suspicion at the moment sits on youngminii. I have a real problem with the way he approaches this game. He keeps threatening people with shortlists, while I think it's common knowledge that the best way for the town to function is getting independent opinions and drawing conclusions from that.
You see, I know it sounds crazy, but I have a weird hunch that if we flip ON, we will actually catch a scum. And I think he's being bussed. His defense is so weak, his attack on me is an attempt, but a weak one at that, on someone that he knew would be hard to get support for. Everything in the situation, from youngminii's absolute confidence that sinani206 would flip town, to his very confident calling of roles, smells of some kind of a plan.
Youngminii is the person I have problems with at the moment, and I would like to flip him. I'm putting my vote on him. but I will stay awake for a while, as I don't mind flipping ON either. I think his defense is weak, I think his arguments is weak and I think he smells of scum.
I know it seems weird, but if ON gets flipped, I'm going after youngminii, no matter if the flip is red or green.
unichan and stefftastiq are still being kind of inactive and not putting together any theories or analysis. I think we should urge them to step up and get more work done for town. I'm not sure what to think of Kavdragon.
I still think Varpulis and JeeJee are pro-town, but that might change. I don't like the fact that JeeJee went for kavdragon over youngminii, but I'm pretty sure I can't control that.
I'm going to try to get youngminii lynched tonight, my second post will contain my analysis of him.
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First of all, sorry. I was a bit preoccupied these past few hours, so I don't have the alternative lynch ready ahead of time (a good idea when you pressure this heavy, this late). I'm sacrificing a little clarity for the speed that I need to get this out at, so pardon if my arguments seem a little weaker.
Look at how timid/indecisive he is in this post: "So far i don't see anything", "this is my first game", "I suppose I'll have to make a decision". Not that townies can't be timid, but let's save that little fact for later.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 12:17 unichan wrote:OKAY OKAY I am back. I see that some people have already tagged me as the lurker, but I just happened to luck into not having internet access for the first 24 hours of the game. Day one lynches seem to be out of the blue too, so any evidence we use is going to be a huge stretch. So far I don't see anything suspicious enough to warrant me identifying them as scum, but as time draws to a close I suppose I'll have to make a final decision. This is my first game though, and I'm not 100% sure what to look out for =( I agree with the guy above, most first day posts might seem to look like fluff posts simply because there isn't that much to talk about 
Again, he is very timid with is posting. "Seems kind of weird", "seems funny to me", "Palmar is a better bet in this situation, IMO" Again, this is fishy (even for a new townie) but not enough to call out scum by.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 13:35 unichan wrote:
Okay, thanks for the advice.
Palmar seems kind of weird - he starts out by asking for a veteran claim, which doesn't seem like such a good idea to me. (reasons for this have been posted previously)
Also, Mataza posts something to refute him right after that and Palmar is immediately like LYNCH HIM and is all over him, which seems funny to me. Mataza doesn't seem too scummy to me from his posts so far, Palmar is a better bet in this situation IMO
More: Notice how he keeps talking about how he is new, and he's unsure... This was the very first scumtell I learned from Ver's analysis of XXX. New townies don't post like they are terrified. This timidness is begining to look more like newb scum. (At the start, it's understandable, but the repeated references to his newb status and timidness are a scum tell)
+ Show Spoiler +I'm a shy poster generally, not just here - this is my first game and I really haven't found my comfort zone yet, as usual I'm scared of saying something retarded and people jumping on me 
Notice how all his reads have been "feels weird", "is a little strange". Very timid right? How about this? Boom. Gone. He posts the exact same reasons that have been posted many times before, and then votes without a hint of that hesitancy about him. The action is called sheeping, and the language, in context, is called scum speak.
On June 06 2011 06:07 unichan wrote:
Useless no content posts, hasn't showed up to defend himself yet, and I don't have a vote right now whoops
##Vote sinani206
Also that should be only one count for youngminii, right?
Again, look at the change in attitude! He is bold, and forward with this, it's very different than his previous posting.
On June 06 2011 09:43 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 09:25 sinani206 wrote:
It doesn't matter who I vote for because I'm going to die. Whatever. GG. I was Veteran. Sounds like a last ditch effort to save himself
Back to the timid posting. It doesn't take very long after the lynch for him to start appologising for his actions. He points at some meta post and says he fell for it, but he didn't mention it at all earlier. Again, this is classic newb scum behavior.
On June 07 2011 10:33 unichan wrote:
I'm sorry about jumping on the sinani bandwagon guys, that was bad of me. I read his soft vet claim as him trying to look like a vet so we would get off his back, that was hella noob of me to not even consider that he would be vet himself. I also fell for that meta post somewhere back that said he had generally been more helpful than this.
This post was interesting, and I actually responded to it at first, but it's still bugging me.+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 11:53 unichan wrote:The reason why I didn't say anything about ON early on was because I had nothing to say about him. I'm assuming he didn't mention me either because I only came up in discussions about inactive/useless posters. The only thing I noticed about him was that he supported a vet claim earlier + Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 03:22 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 02:58 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar
I'm gonna echo Hesmyrr's request: explain ... what ton of information we get from vet claiming? It's a bad plan especially when roleblockers can block vet extra life, I can't possibly see what town would gain from vet-claim. I think I can answer this instead of Palmer. 1. We get none, we have a free target for scum to avoid ASSUMING WE HAVE A VET. 2. Said "confirmed" townie could be scum trying to control us and avoid his lynch. We also could have no vet making counterclaiming irrelevant furthering his position. 3. It creates more Wifom (see 2) 4. Claiming in a closed setup unless about to be lynched is a pointless undertaking. We have no way of confirmed outside of death and a sane DT who could also be fakeclaiming. which looked scummy to me, but I didn't actually start posting content and understanding why a vet claim would be stupid until later, and I didn't catch this until today when I was rereading the thread. To be honest I didn't understand the case against ON at all, the one vs sinani was 10x more clearcut (fluffy posts derp derp easy lynch), and made more sense to me at the time. So yes, it was bandwagoning, but that was because I didn't see any compelling reason to vote for anyone else.
He tries to pin this on ON as if he were supporting the vet claim, when it is very clearly arguing against it! The more I read it, the less I think that he was confused, and the more I think he was just trying too hard to read ON as scum. This doesn't make sense, and it doesn't make sense in a way that benefits mafia if ON is indeed innocent as I now believe.
More timid play, practically apologizing for himself.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 17:04 unichan wrote:
I'm a bit more reluctant to jump on the bandwagon this time - we all saw how the last pressure bandwagon turned out. That being said, OriginalName's defense isn't very strong. He has enough votes on him for pressure now, and they probably won't be taken off any time soon looking through his recent posts. He goes for Palmar, who isn't really on anybody's shit list - it looks like he's just going for a target for others to bandwagon. Like what happened with sinani, he's using the "weak" and "filler" post attack to try to get others to agree. However the argument isn't mounted as clearly as the one against sinani was, and clearly no one is buying it.
Unichan displays very typical new scum player behavior, and has lurked perhaps more than any other player. He has given a few reads, but they are so timid that it's hard to tell what he actually thinks. He has lurked very hard day2, which is exactly what i would expect scum to do given an innocent is the only real lynch target. (If you read this analysis, then you read all but three of his posts)
Unichan is a better lynch than OriginalName right now. Please pull your votes off of ON.
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@JeeJee:
I don't think you are going to get the support to lynch me today. I'm not asking you to shelve your suspicion, but vote for someone who might actually be lynched. What you are doing is essentially abstaining. I know you don't want to lynch ON, so vote Unichan, or if you think my analysis is weak, find someone else who we can lynch in stead.
@Palmar:
I YM has varied from town to scum several times in my book, (currently scum) but I don't think the town is willing to lynch him yet. I'll be interested in your analysis, but even he looks just as scummy as unichan, he's a more experienced and active player, and I think that unichan is the better lynch today.
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This is why youngminii is scum:
On June 05 2011 03:29 youngminii wrote:
Originalname you shouldn't be speaking for palmar. Let him speak for himself and we'll judge how scummy his actions/response is. I mean by speaking for him it kind of looks like you're helping him, and it's way too early to be defending people, considering we have almost no information.
As for the vet claiming, I'm all for it if the entire town can get behind it. If the vet is a liar, I think we'll figure it out eventually as the days go on. If the vet dies first night because of a roleblock + hit, then we'll know that there is a roleblocker in the game. I don't see the downsides outweighing the advantages to this.
Very Minor Scumtell: He agrees to a plan that is bad for town. Claiming vet early is just not a good idea, I don't understand how disabling someone's role for a 50/50 chance of getting town is justifiable. It's like asking for a townie claim on day one, except, asking for a townie claim would be a better idea.
Still, being wrong isn't a crime. But there's more coming
youngminii had a little row with me on day 1. Most of it was him defending sinani, while I was attacking sinani. Thing is, I don't believe that prior to sinani soft-claiming veteran, that anything sinani said was strong enough to absolve him of being scum. My analysis was basically that all he had done for town was posting lists and randomly voting an inactive, which cannot be a flawed analysis.
The entire situation smells of youngminii knowing something that he shouldn't know.
On June 06 2011 10:28 youngminii wrote:
Guys if you won't listen to logic, can you at least listen to math? IF, IF Sinani is vet, then we will be losing a pretty big town power role. Honestly, do you really want to risk that instead of waiting one more day for a confirmation?
Most, if not all, of the mafia would definitely agree with the lynch on Sinani (assuming he is vet). Don't get caught up in the bandwagoning imo.
man if sinani ends up being scum i'm never gonna play mafia ever again
This is actually a good post, at the point this is written I had stated repeatedly that I thought youngminii was town. I agreed with this reasoning, I switched my vote. And somehow youngminii decided that those actions made me scum, and cleared him.
It's basically backwards reasoning. He defended a player that had no defense. He then goes rampant when we lynch him, as it will somehow make him immune to suspicion. Everything about youngminii's play smells of someone who knows too much for his own good.
On June 06 2011 11:03 youngminii wrote:
sinani, you played pretty terribly, not for the reasons everyone else is saying (well kinda)
you should definitely have a bit more content in your posts, you made yourself a very, very easy target. you shouldn't EVER give up with a "whatever" attitude, you should be defending yourself to the end. your entire defence was mounted by me, and that's just unacceptable. you can't rely on having someone else risk their reputation to save you just because they think you're not scum. you have to mass appeal to everyone else.
in any case, this sucks. palmar and prplhz on huge fos because they (warning: theory) both tried to absolve themselves in the end, realising that they were about to lynch a vet and didn't want to have their hands covered in blood
Seriously? you make a bad defense for him, and then you attack the people that still rally to your side when Sinani206 actually defends himself by posting a tiny bit of content and claiming vet.
On June 06 2011 12:11 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:41 JeeJee wrote:On June 06 2011 11:33 youngminii wrote:
Don't know if I'm the best cop check. I think it may be safe to play the next day or two assuming I'm town, no? I mean unless you really think my play is really scummy, but there's definitely better people to check imo, especially:
Palmar. He's nearing the top of my scum list but there's a little voice in the back of my head telling me he's just a crappy town player. If we can get a cop to check him I'd be a lot more reassured. It's a (surprisingly) good thought. In general, at least the way I play cop, there's 2 things I look at 1) Someone that the town finds suspicious. I put you up as a cop check because I find you suspicious 2) The other good candidate is someone that's really active. It's pretty obvious that the most active people stir and lead discussion, and if they're mafia, it's very easy to lead the town astray. So someone like Palmar as you mentioned might be a good choice as well. This choice is inherently more risky of course, since mafia are also looking to kill off these people, so the cop might end up wasting their check, but it's a good approach nonetheless. I'd put this as a higher risk/reward option. Well I mean, if the town is coordinating the detective check, mafia is probably going to (OH GOD I'M GONNA MAKE WIFOM) kill the person we agree to check. I mean if they don't, they're just stupid. In any case, I'm going to lean on the fact that I defended sinani from the start to remove any suspicions on me for now. I don't know exactly why you think I'm suspicious and I don't really want to know right now (in favour of other discussion) so try to look at the fact that I defended sinani, sinani flipped blue, and postpone your suspicion on me. I think the general consensus is to check Palmar for now, hopefully it turns out to be eventful. @OriginalName I think Mataza is pretty scummy and flying under the radar to be honest, no point in acting on this yet though.
Thanks for absolving yourself of any suspicion. This is the first post that actually made me start re-thinking about it. I know he attacks Mataza who ends up getting murdered. youngminii also agrees with originalname here, although I'm not sure what this means.
Early day 2, youngminii starts out by voting for originalname. This is important for later.
Here is the post that made me go... oooohhhh noo. That's just not cool
On June 08 2011 06:32 youngminii wrote:
Funny how if we actually went through with the plan we wouldn't have lost our vet, but that's just derailment and I won't discuss that.
Kav, don't flame him like that during the game. Leave that for endgame discussion.
At this point, anyone that's not voting for ON will obviously be put under scrutiny if he flips red.
@Dementrio: Yes I've backed off Palmar quite a bit, steff/unichan/prplhz are all scum candidates too. My gut tells me steff is just an overeager town, but that could apply to both the others too.
@Prplhz: Your pressure against Varpulis is stupid. None of those reasons are scumworthy and you are guilty of the last line of reasoning yourself. I kind of don't like how you're just completely avoiding voting for ON, but I mean if you both really were scum you'd probably be trying to lynch an actual lynch candidate instead of randomly pressuring Varpulis.
What vexes me right now is that other than ON, the highest number of votes on anyone is 1. Either scum knows ON is done for and is bussing him or they're extremely uncoordinated. I don't like how unichan and JeeJee are abstaining their votes until later, they could be just waiting until the last moment in case another lynch candidate pops up. I'm going to say JeeJee's doing this out of bad play, and unichan is the more suspicious one.
Note: Palmar has posted contentless content again for the past few posts. Keep an eye on him.
I have a huge problem with the "agree with me or you're scum" approach. If you take the thinking away from people and hand the reins over to some kind of a leader, the you're not doing the town any good. The only way to catch scum is for everyone to chime in and explain their reasons.
Note: you're actually advocating bandwagoning.
You're trying to take an unjustified leadership in town.
and finally, just a minor contradiction:
On June 09 2011 06:15 youngminii wrote:You're absolutely right JeeJee, I don't disagree with your vote against Kav. Personally however, I think it is a misguided attempt at trying to find scum just because you think ON's lynch isn't justified. I'm still of the belief that ON's lynch will give us more information than lynching anyone else can. I also think he's the most scummy in the town right now. If he flips green, I promise I'll support you in getting some answers from Kav. I never said "lol get some coaching" was a valid response, in fact I told Kav not to say that type of stuff in game because it doesn't contribute anything towards scumhunting and just makes you look weaker to the newcomers when a more experienced player says it. Show nested quote +I'm the only voice against this wagon -- shouldn't that tell you something? Either I'm the most obvious mafia in existence, taking on a huge risk to save my scumbuddy, or I'm using my head This may very well be true, but there is another option. Misguided town. If ON flips red I won't be blaming you because you do have the right intentions.
He ragged on me earlier for wanting to lynch for information, yet he claims that's a good reason to lynch ON now?
Also, the "I'm not blaming you if he flips red" is one of those things that I just don't like. Conditional reasoning for suspecting people. This still gives me the feeling he knows too much.
I have scum feel about youngminii.
##Vote youngminii
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Yeah - my vote was already on him - because I hoped more people to look into him and Kav actually did :D
Altho I also hoped unichan atleast would try to do an effort to claim his innosence!
My vote remains for him for now, seeing no reason to change it...
ON and YM are stil scummy too.
Ill read through the last posts a bit more to see if theres anything I can put together to contribute as well, without really recycling JeeJee and Kavs posts..
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oh, and I still think ON is scum, I just think he's getting bussed.
wrong format btw:
##Unvote OriginalName
##Vote youngminii
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On June 09 2011 07:34 Palmar wrote:
oh, and I still think ON is scum, I just think he's getting bussed.
wrong format btw:
##Unvote OriginalName
##Vote youngminii
... how does that REMOTELY make sense.
If I was getting bussed chances are nothing would have been said and I would not have even remotely tried. I would have died and given NO INFORMATION. The number rule of scum play IS TO NOT GIVE INFORMATION. Seriously dude stop tunneling me.
I'm willing however to move over to Unichan however in this case its mostly just to save my own hide.
##Unvote Palmer
[b]##Vote Unichan[b]
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it's cool bro, I'm voting youngminii.
Why don't you too?
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@OriginalName:
What I want to hear you defend yourself against is your pre-lynch behavior. I agree with most of your points about the bandwagon, but I want to hear you explain why you voted Sinani when you clearly didn't think he was a good lynch.
I voted Sinani because I felt that he was the best lynch under the circumstances BUT was still a very very weak lynch. I didnt feel that anyone could be successfully pushed at that point in the day so I went along with it. In the long run though it was just poor play.
also EBWOP
##Vote Unichan
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On June 09 2011 07:43 Palmar wrote:
it's cool bro, I'm voting youngminii.
Why don't you too?
If my vote ends up being the decider I will switch to YM however I doubt many others will vote to lynch him at this point in time.
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@Kavdragon
You said that you were gonna receive some flack and here you have some. I think you prematurely took your vote away from OriginalName. If there was one thing that this town learned on day1 it's that you don't just lynch the first bandwagon. So why would OriginalName really feel pressured day2 when he was the first bandwagon? Why would scum feel pressured? I think scum was pretty confident that he was not gonna get it, the town would bow out in the end, not having the balls to do the same "mistake" twice in a row. You should really have hung in there until the end, or at least until very much closer to the end. You can't just say "Hey fellas, check this shit out; I'm gonna vote for someone and then the scum will go batshit crazy, just you watch!" and then expect it to happen within a couple of hours. And if you want it to happen then you gotta be more serious than removing your vote almost five hours before deadline.
Because of these reasons I think that your decision to remove your vote from OriginalName is quite poor, at least for the time being.
Right now it looks like a bandwagon for unichan is forming and while I don't think that he is scum. I am pretty sure that he is just a new guy trying to get into that game and he's putting some effort into it too. Also I think that at this point everybody is so active that if we really put some pressure on unichan, he cannot hide behind inactivity. He will have to post and with limited experience in this game he will break. I don't think the same thing goes for OriginalName or at least he will be much harder to read. But the absolute worst thing is that I think that this town is thinking "Man, you can't jump on first bandwagon, so I guess we just have to jump on the second one!", removing all pressure from OriginalName again. So here goes for more pressure on the scummy OriginalName, I'm still not satisfied with how much you've been sweating.
##Vote OriginalName
And I don't know if I'll have time to check in on this thread again before deadline so good luck with that.
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Uh maybe I should unvote too ...
##Unvote Varpulis
##Vote OriginalName
Also I totally forgot, my vote for Varpulis was not doing anything at this point, I was at the time hoping that we could get a real thriller going with 5 votes for each of these guys and scum biting their nails or sitting back and relaxing and town getting some good reads, but that was not destined to happen.
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@prplhz
Yeah, I was hoping for more spread votes as well.
@unichan
what up man - you around?
@OriginalName
My Defense:
Id like to first of all point out some similarities between today and yesterday:
-This bandwagon is being formed rediculously easily.
-Most people are sheeping of the reasons of one person.
half the players are suspicious of you man.
-They will if I go through both be silly mislynches.
Im going to focus on the first point mainly.
In this case the most coherently explained and analysed non-sheeping opinion is from Kavdragon. He took what he thought to be scum and organised and presented it. He honestly succeded in scaring the metaphorical crap out of me. I dont deal with pressure well and came up with a shoddy defense.
Therefore I after I basically had the majority of town gunning for me I panicked but Ive come to realize that theres no reason it should have happenes that fast. Sure JeeJee tryed to defend me but lets face the fact that it justs looks like a scumbuddy trying to save me. However if I were scum why put that risk to try to save me? Im have the most heat on me atm if it were me Would have kept my trap shut and bussed.
There is one thing that is 100% certain - if you and him were town, he can not know for certain that your not scum.
I then chose to throw another lynch candidate out there. I chose to do this to try to give another option to us but I did not explain that at all as you can clearly see.
So now I really have no idea what to do, I'm having a hard enough time articulating what im trying to say at the moment, as such if there is anything specific youd like addressed please ask. I have absolutely nothing to hide from town.
seems like quite a few players -including- originalname switched his vote for unichan (would scum vote for their own?) - so right now I feel originalname is a safer lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote OriginalName
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