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On June 09 2011 07:41 OriginalName wrote:
I'm willing however to move over to Unichan however in this case its mostly just to save my own hide.
Okay I'm #1 new bandwagon now since you failed to start your own by attacking a player with weak evidence
Because not posting is #1 scum behavior? lol
I wasn't posting because I was terrified of getting lynched, I was posting timidly because I was new, had already missed half of day 1, and was afraid of posting something retarded. Obviously I did end up posting something retarded, by way of misinterpreting someone's post. This was when I was trying to get more involved because people were pressuring me too, and then I fucked up and I felt like an idiot, which is why I didn't want to make any more long posts, because I don't want to get laughed at again. I guess in my first game I should be more bold and try to learn better, but that didn't really work out for me. Staying shy and timid doesn't seem to work either. Saying things with phrases like "seems like" or "is kind of" is something I've always done - I get my papers back from my English teacher telling me to use stronger verbs, nothing new here. Even now I don't want to make a longer post with analysis and quotes - I've tried to start a couple earlier but I always deleted it before posting, which is why I haven't really been posting anything at all.
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@unichan
Who do you think are the most scummy player(s) - and why?
and scum are really the only ones who should worry about what to post - townies doesnt have to lie.
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I've looked over Youngminii's posts and I wouldn't mind lynching him either. He's made several scummy moves, and has many soft contradictions.
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On June 09 2011 08:40 prplhz wrote:
You should really have hung in there until the end, or at least until very much closer to the end.
Wrong. It takes time for people to move. I let it sit for almost 48hrs and you think that's not enough? If you leave it for the last few minutes no one will change their votes that late. Seriously prplhz, look at what the town did. There was no discussion. Scum want us to lynch OriginalName.
PLEASE PEOPLE. I'm 99% sure that OriginalName is just a bad townie. Quite honestly, I should have stopped pushing this earlier, but it took me too long to see what the town was doing.
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Also, prplhz, look: The vote is coming off of OriginalName and a lot more people are making a fuss about it. Coincidence?
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United States22154 Posts
Day 2 Vote count
OriginalName(5)
Varpulis
youngminii
Kavdragon
stefftastiq
dementrio
Palmar
prplhz
stefftastiq
youngminii(1)
stefftastiq
Palmar
Varpulis (0)
prplhz
Palmar (0)
OriginalName
unichan(2)
stefftastiq
Kavdragon
OriginalName
Kavdragon(1)
JeeJee
1 and a half hours left in the day. OriginalName currently leading with 5 votes unichan has yet to vote. If I missed any votes don't hesitate to let me know
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Just going to compare wagons fast.
OriginalName(5) - Townie
Varpulis
youngminii
Kavdragon
stefftastiq
dementrio
Palmar
prplhz
sinani206(7)
prplhz
Palmar
Mataza
stefftastiq
unichan
Varpulis
OriginalName
Kavdragon
look at all the common names, I'd start lynching from them tomorrow since im 99% sure scum isnt going to budge off my lynch.
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derp didnt delete names from my copy paste scratch off palmer and kav
OriginalName(5) - Townie
Varpulis
stefftastiq
prplhz
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yeah - i know my vote has been all over the place now, it will seem scummy any way I put it - as for miniii/originalname/unichan its tbh same with me who goes tonight as long as it is a town decision - right now i feel they are about the same amount of scummy, thats basicly why I'm having a hard time to decide.
OriginaName:
I actually moved my vote from unichan and back to you just based on that you changed your vote from Palmar to unichan, which I stated earlier.
Nice presentation of the bandwagon lists tho.
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On June 09 2011 09:18 stefftastiq wrote:
@unichan
Who do you think are the most scummy player(s) - and why?
and scum are really the only ones who should worry about what to post - townies doesnt have to lie.
Right now? OriginalName didn't react very well to his pressure. He went for a bandwagon attempt on Palmar that seemed weird and out of place, with weak reasoning (as I said before, he is trying to go for the same reason that got sinani lynched, that he is just posting a bunch of "filler" posts). As soon as he saw that bandwagon failed he panicked
+ Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 15:40 OriginalName wrote:
My Defense:
Id like to first of all point out some similarities between today and yesterday:
-This bandwagon is being formed rediculously easily.
-Most people are sheeping of the reasons of one person.
-They will if I go through both be silly mislynches.
Im going to focus on the first point mainly.
In this case the most coherently explained and analysed non-sheeping opinion is from Kavdragon. He took what he thought to be scum and organised and presented it. He honestly succeded in scaring the metaphorical crap out of me. I dont deal with pressure well and came up with a shoddy defense.
Therefore I after I basically had the majority of town gunning for me I panicked but Ive come to realize that theres no reason it should have happenes that fast. Sure JeeJee tryed to defend me but lets face the fact that it justs looks like a scumbuddy trying to save me. However if I were scum why put that risk to try to save me? Im have the most heat on me atm if it were me Would have kept my trap shut and bussed.
I then chose to throw another lynch candidate out there. I chose to do this to try to give another option to us but I did not explain that at all as you can clearly see.
So now I really have no idea what to do, I'm having a hard enough time articulating what im trying to say at the moment, as such if there is anything specific youd like addressed please ask. I have absolutely nothing to hide from town.
and when he saw me as the next potential bandwagon he immediately jumped on it.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2011 07:41 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 07:34 Palmar wrote:
oh, and I still think ON is scum, I just think he's getting bussed.
wrong format btw:
##Unvote OriginalName
##Vote youngminii ... how does that REMOTELY make sense. If I was getting bussed chances are nothing would have been said and I would not have even remotely tried. I would have died and given NO INFORMATION. The number rule of scum play IS TO NOT GIVE INFORMATION. Seriously dude stop tunneling me. I'm willing however to move over to Unichan however in this case its mostly just to save my own hide. ##Unvote Palmer[b]##Vote Unichan
No reasoning, just saying that he wants to save himself. I don't really get what he's saying about giving no information. If there's a lynch attempt for you, and you're not trying to defend yourself, then obviously you're going to end up getting lynched. What information have you given anyways? All you've done in response to this pressure is make that useless case for Palmar ._.
And I still have to worry about what to post though, so people don't point out my idiotic mistakes and make me feel derpy =(
I'll read back through the thread again and look for more scum targets, but my posts always take a hell of a long time to assemble so I hope it's in time for people to read it before the 10 pm deadline. I tried to take notes in google docs before but I ended up misreading them so I gave up on that idea, lol.
[b]##Vote OriginalName
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LOL i forgot to close tag
##Vote OriginalName
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Alright.
##Unvote OriginalName
Not really OriginalName's list that convinced me otherwise, I think that was a bit of a townie demoralized accepting response 'cause some other dude changes his vote RIGHT after mine to make the OriginalName lynch almost unavoidable. More it was Kavdragon insuring me that he does not have a scum read on OriginalName anymore and I very much think that Kavdragon has been only townie so far and I kinda trust his judgement of all of this 'cause I haven't been able to follow the game too closely for the last couple of days. Kavdragon's original reason for changing votes also applies a lot more now I think.
Also about the bandwagon analysis, it is total shit. First day I voted for sinani206 before anybody else and I stayed on him because he was acting scummy as hell. Today I had a perfectly safe vote on Varpulis but I chose to change my vote to pressure you. And about me claiming to be away until after the lynch, then my pressure would really not make sense. You pressure to see how people react so you can counter-react.
##Vote unichan
The guy is a better lynch for today. I know there are enough townies out there please realize that Kavdragon is maybe the most pro-town player we have and I can personally only strongly take up to consideration whatever he says (even though I still think you removed pressure from OriginalName prematurely). And I take full responsibility for this vote too, I'm not brushing anything off onto Kavdragon.
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@stefftastiq
OriginalName's vote change from Palmar to unichan makes sense, unichan is scummy and he is the only chance OriginalName has. Please reconsider.
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Oh yeah, another person I was suspicious about was Varpulis. Day 1 he changed his vote like 5 times on the basis mostly of lynching lurkers (which he said he wanted to do in the beginning - most lurkers day 1 are probably going to be townies anyways), and in the end he just jumped on the bandwagon for sinani. Either he's an extremely indecisive townie or he's scum trying to get all over the place.
Here's his first vote
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 01:26 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 01:20 Mataza wrote:
LOL.
OriginalName, read. I said EXAMPLE, because I wanted to explain how scumhunting works to someone who has no clue.
I could have said Palmar dies and then I get suspicious.
Seriously read plz. yet your example made no sense whatsoever, and is almost entirely WifoM. That's not how scumhunting works. What hesmyrr is doing is how scumhunting works. Analyzing posting and content, not blindly looking at who died and who was talking about them. That can lead you to scum, but does not help identify them. The argument "he died so she is suspicious" is terrible. ##vote mataza step it up.
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Mataza wasn't lurking, this was after a bout of activity where he disagreed with wanting to lynch a day1 lurker in his first post..
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 05:27 Varpulis wrote:Guys, my vote on mataza is pressure. His posting seemed a little off, and I wanted to see how he reacted to the votes. His reaction so far has been alright, though "go ahead an lynch me" isn't a good attitude. He still needs to step up his posting, but i don't have a read on him yet. Back to the lurkers! This is stefftasiq's only post this game. He was sleeping when the day post came, I get that, but he hasn't posted again since. He says that mataza playing differently is "interesting" and that sinani's "have not posted" list (which he was on) could be a way to divert attention from sinani. It's a bad post with very little content. ##unvote mataza
##vote stefftastiq
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Here he moves onto a lurker
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 11:13 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 10:21 prplhz wrote:
Okay I'm gonna see if I can do two things at the same time and get both a lurker and a scum.
sinani206
The guy has had 7 posts so far one "hi" post, two posts listing inactive people, two math posts, one posts where he says he's rather lynch lurkers over the scummiest player and then one single post that has any content at all; one where he asks Varpulis if he didn't change his mind rather fast.
7 posts, no content at all. This is a guy desperately trying to be active while desperately not trying to attract any attention at all. This is scum.
##Vote sinani206 Not damning evidence by any means. At least he's sharing his opinion and his reasons why. Does seem a bit sheepy though. Not sure how you came to the conclusion "this is scum" with that analysis. Frankly, there's not enough information on the table to properly identify scum, i think. You could say that half the players in this game are trying to be active without content. It seems to me that you really wanted to find somebody scummy, so you picked a person and figured out how is posts could be interpreted as scummy. Lynching an inactive is good and all, but it's better to lynch the one in that group that's the least active, rather than one that's just posting fluff. We can leave them for later.
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Oh look lol and who did he end up voting for in the end
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 14:36 Varpulis wrote:
alright, stefftastiq's at least making an effort now. I'd be interested to see his posts when he's not drunk and tired. Get some rest steff! If you don't contribute tomorrow this vote's right back on you.
It seems that we're out of lurkers. Everybody has at least posted something. Once more time passes we'll see who isn't super active, but for now it's back to pressuring.
##unvote stefftastiq
##vote Palmar
step it up, Palmar.
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Has moved off of the lurker who is no longer lurking onto Palmar (I have no problems with this, just pointing out yet another vote change)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 00:14 Varpulis wrote:
Palmar's back and posting well. good. Most of his points make sense to me. Sinani needs to step it up as well. He has 13 posts since the game began, and only 1 with real content, and that was joining the bandwagon on stefftastiq and parroting what the rest of us gave as reasons. My vote ends up on him at the end of today if he doesn't start posting better.
Meanwhile, i found another lurker. Kavdragon has yet to post his opinion about anybody. He advocates lynching lurkers to the extent that we should "focus on lurkers" today instead of pressure and discuss. The only thing going for him is that he shot down the discussion starter vet claim plan.
He said that he won't be lurking, I'd like him to prove it.
##unvote Palmar
##vote Kavdragon
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Lurker crusade
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2011 06:19 Varpulis wrote:Alright, my vote on OriginalName is accomplishing nothing at this point. He needs to step up his posting or I'll be gunning for him later.
[red]sinani206[/redMy previous analysis of Sinani can be found hereSince then, he posted Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 05:31 sinani206 wrote:
OK, now that that's settled, I am staying with my vote on stefftastiq for reasons that I have already stated. What else do you want me to say? In this post, he pretends that he doesn't know what he was expected to post. I call bullshit. He's avoiding posting an opinion and hiding behind his lurker vote. At this point, he's playing to a scum objective, by lurking actively and not giving us quality posts to analyze. ##unvote OriginalName
##vote sinani206
As an aside, i've got a major noobtown read on stefftastiq atm.
And here is where he finally goes on sinani despite what he said before (about not lynching someone just posting fluff) and claims that he didn't switch his vote because he got back late even though he tried to switch the bandwagon to ON at the last minute which wasn't going to work because it was too last minute.
It looks like he's trying to throw his vote around without actually doing anything, which looks very scummy. Sorry there's one liner stuff under all the quotes I want to get this posted ASAP
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oh shiiiet - almost went to sleep.
Like i said, I have no better reason for voting for originalname that for unichan since they both seem scummy - I have no problem chaning back - unichan is the least active player anyways - and his post seemed a bit like hes been giving up? 
##Unvote
##Vote unichan
Altho I probably wouldnt have changed this vote if it werent for Kav and prplhz - so if unichan turns up green that would be pretty shitty...
On the other hand - weve heard little from varpulis and jeejee the last hours.
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@unichan
Why are you posting an analysis on Varpulis 50 minutes before deadline when he's not up for lynch at all? While your post might be useful, it is totally misplace chronologically.
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I am because I was asked who I thought was scummy t_t. I know it's almost before deadline but he asked so I deliver
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@stefftastiq
You seriously need to man the fuck up. This bandwagoner attitude is not helping anybody and you can't keep trying to be a noob forever. You vote for somebody because you think that they are scummy, you can't just brush it off on somebody else with your "oh but those guys did it!". This is seriously terrible townie behavior and if I hadn't seen your play in SNMMII and known that you bandwagon to the very last, I'd seriously have some questions about your fears of committing and taking responsibility of your actions.
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Come on people, deadline is 11pm in america, hardly past any of your guys' bedtimes and most of the europeans are oddly enough usually awake even though it's 4am here.
OriginalName has been playing weirdly but unless Kavdragon is scum, they have just thrown him under the bus. Scum don't do that, thus he is not scum.
unichan is a much better lynch for today.
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On June 09 2011 10:04 prplhz wrote:
Alright.
##Unvote OriginalName
Not really OriginalName's list that convinced me otherwise, I think that was a bit of a townie demoralized accepting response 'cause some other dude changes his vote RIGHT after mine to make the OriginalName lynch almost unavoidable. More it was Kavdragon insuring me that he does not have a scum read on OriginalName anymore and I very much think that Kavdragon has been only townie so far and I kinda trust his judgement of all of this 'cause I haven't been able to follow the game too closely for the last couple of days. Kavdragon's original reason for changing votes also applies a lot more now I think.
Also about the bandwagon analysis, it is total shit. First day I voted for sinani206 before anybody else and I stayed on him because he was acting scummy as hell. Today I had a perfectly safe vote on Varpulis but I chose to change my vote to pressure you. And about me claiming to be away until after the lynch, then my pressure would really not make sense. You pressure to see how people react so you can counter-react.
##Vote unichan
The guy is a better lynch for today. I know there are enough townies out there please realize that Kavdragon is maybe the most pro-town player we have and I can personally only strongly take up to consideration whatever he says (even though I still think you removed pressure from OriginalName prematurely). And I take full responsibility for this vote too, I'm not brushing anything off onto Kavdragon.
Okay I'm not going to deny that my analysis was shit because some of it was stuff I was making up to try harder. I wanted to make an opinion about everyone and that was my opinion about you at the time. So you're switching your vote to me just because the seemingly most pro-town player says that ON doesn't looks like scum to him anymore, looks like you're just sheeping your future mayor lol
Anyways the one thing that my veteran player pal told me was that last minute bandwagon OP (as right now it looks like I'm going to get lynched since a couple of you have switched over already), there's not much I can do except these desperate posts like sinani was doing before he got lynched. Once I turn up green you'll realize that I am just a bad inexperienced player who should have joined a noob game first (like mafia XL or the last mini one) instead of coming to this one and not knowing what the hell to do =.=
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