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On April 01 2011 01:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
can i please not be mayor
On April 01 2011 04:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
guys ill only run for mayor if im mafia im telling you this now
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On April 10 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im gonna run because i can only trust myself
here is my "policy"
mayor:
-use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for
-lynch kavdragon on day 1
pardoner:
-pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum
that's it
also as far as the assassin game like i said we should post who we suspect of being an assassin so they dont kill townies but 90% of posts in this thread should be geared toward finding mafia so really i think this game should be kinda disregarded unless it becomes important later
i have a bad reputation of getting too much attention in games though but i came pretty close to nailing the entire scumteam in salem and in insane mafia so i think i'll just get better every game vote 4 me
what is this shit? come on, prove you've learned from the past... You don't have to be the mayor, you don't have to trust no one, you don't have to be in control and in charge of everything....
BTW kavdragon is a stupid day one lynch. He's a damn good liar, but if anybody had bothered to to behavioural analysis it should have been obvious he was not town last game -_-. He'll be active and a fairly easy read in another day or two.
Plus there's still like a dozen people that haven't even posted yet...
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I'm fine with having Protactinum as pardoner, if he will use his KP on targets decided by town a few days in, when we got a better read on who's red. For this to happen we lose the pardoner, which is a pretty useless role for town anyways, and gain vigi, a good trade in my opinion.
Just remember Protactinum has a different win condition, so he won't win the game for us. Since he will only help us to the degree it serves his purpose, he will blow his KP on the assassins if they are silly enough to out themselves before we find mafia. But that is a small risk I'm willing to take.
Since he obviously can't be our mayor, we should keep focus on our candidates:
Chaoser, are you still running? I felt kinda off when you put a FoS on one of the only active new people.
Kavdragon, I feel you need to put more effort into your campaign, you posted a lot during night 0, but seem to have gone more quiet around your own candidacy.
GMarshal, you honestly want to lynch the most inactive player? That person is never going to be mafia.
DrH, it seems like several people are suspicious of your alignment?
From all the candidates, I'm interested in hearing how you think our pardoner should be used, the way you will be using your mayor role, and your current mafia reads.
To town: it's us who decides who we want as mayor, so don't be shy to ask questions to the candidates, or write your opinions of them. Remember it's the silent ones that gets killed first! 
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I wanna get this out of the way right now. WTF BB. You started this almost 2 hours early. I went to bed and now I appear on everybody's inactive list. Not cool.
Protactinum as mayor pretty much guarantees scum don't get it. Any guarantee that scum doesn't hold those extra votes at end game is a win for town. I don't care what happens on the way to the forum if we get to an end game scenario and mayor is scum town loses. Period. Play to win. Voting for anybody but Protactinum is stupid. Plus who wouldn't want who he really is as mayor. He's a proven scum hunter. His analysis abilities exceed almost everybody else in this game. His win condition is secondary atm. Even if he does win early and leave that is a better scenario than having a scummy mayor at end game.
Protactinum gets my vote.
And seriously if you don't know who he is you'll never find scum so just shush and vote a non scum player as mayor.
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No voting thread yet??? Is Bum hosting this? The timing is all fucked up.
##VOTE: Protactinum for mayor
And I don't know how you guys think you're voting for a pardoner. Pardoner is the first loser in the mayor race. Stop voting for a pardoner cause you aren't voting for anybody. That race doesn't exist.
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On April 10 2011 23:16 Jackal58 wrote:
I went to bed and now I appear on everybody's inactive list. Not cool.
Just noticed that a lot of the activity has been made by US players. Glad to realise that the time zone is the reason for me sleeping and waking up with a ton of posts to read!
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If I appear to be inactive, that's because I am really sick atm. I've read 10+ pages and right now GMarshal and Protactinium are top of my list for mayor. However as there is no voting thread yet for whatever reason :S, I'm going to stay in bed and rest until the thread is up and my voting is required. I also like Protact's posts a lot more than GM. Yes, GM is easy to read, but I agree with Protact that he isn't superbly great at analysis. Protact's each and every post was filled with so much content, meeting quality over quantity in my eyes, and gets to the point without beating around the bush. As a town leader (yes, I know his win-condition is not town) and an analyst, I would much more likely be in favor of Protact.
I believe even by having him alive in the early game while he still feels like siding with town, he can create a much ideal environment for the town. At least his posts motivate me to play and post better.
Also, sure if you think me being sick is an excuse, but I just wanted to get this out there in the case I really cannot post due to illness. I'm already trying my best to keep up with this thread by at least posting Day 1.
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I think having an assassin in a protected position such as mayor would be good for reasons stated before. e.g. Having essentially 2 extra lynches(assuming he cooperates). But, if he doesn't actually get mayor or pardoner then we shouldn't waste a doctor on assassin kp, but instead should focus on blocking mafia kp on confirmed blues and greens.
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On April 11 2011 00:29 redFF wrote:
I think having an assassin in a protected position such as mayor would be good for reasons stated before. e.g. Having essentially 2 extra lynches(assuming he cooperates). But, if he doesn't actually get mayor or pardoner then we shouldn't waste a doctor on assassin kp, but instead should focus on blocking mafia kp on confirmed blues and greens.
There is only 1 good reason to make him mayor.
Denial of services to scum.
That reason alone should be enough to make everybody vote for him.
The mayor role at endgame will decide who wins. If scum have it they autolynch town we lose. If town have it there is still the chance of a mislynch. I'm more comfy with that scenario but I still see it as problematic. If GMarshall is mayor that percentage of mislynching goes up exponentially.
The best case scenario is having no mayor to fuck things up at endgame.
Using his dt ability and two extra kp directed by town are both town pluses.
Having a mayor that meets his win condition and leaves early is also a plus.
It totally removes another uncertainty from the game.
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Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have.
I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have.
I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is.
His hands are basically tied on the lynch. He votes for who town puts forth or he gets lynched. He is in a lylo on day 1. If it gets to the point where we are that far ahead that he's a detriment to town we no longer need him anyways so again he's in a lylo. He is forced into being pro town or losing.
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Actually every vote he makes is directed by town. He'll always be in a lylo situation.
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On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have.
I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is.
He won't be able to vote for people he thinks are assassins to lynch, the town wouldn't let him, he would have to convince town that any assassin he wanted lynched was mafia, which would be difficult. As soon as town get's a whiff he is trying to direct lynch to other assassins he would be screwed.
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On April 10 2011 20:08 aidnai wrote:
Kita is definitely overreacting against Protact. Good DT check right there.
DrH, will you please shut up a bit? you are playing the same way you did back in insane 1... I want the new players to speak up, but it won't happen if you keep biting their heads off and/or drowning them with your spamming. Instead of reacting to every little thing you disagree with, wait and see who else disagrees, who lets it slide, who likes it, etc.
I would consider protact a good candidate for pardoner or mayor. One question that is vital though: I have never seen town use "gift KP" well, so how do you intend to put your KP to town use? especially with a town this size, a vote is going to be a nightmare. You could have the mayor pick your targets, but that puts even more power into one pair of hands. Leaving it to your discretion is...lawl.
funny cause that was my best game and town definitely would have won if i didnt die or was just slightly MORE brash and confident
On April 10 2011 19:57 Robellicose wrote:
I agree with the many people who have argued against protact for mayor. I would simply rather have someone who I read as town in the position and protect protact with the pardoner position. I'm feeling highly suspicious of Dr.H at the moment, he seems to be very combative whilst not putting out a huge amount of his own ideas, just shooting down other peoples and trying to deflect any calm decision making.
FoS DoctorHelvetica
##Vote GMarshal
what does that even mean? here are my ideas:
-protact should not be mayor
-it absolutely does not matter if protact dies, let the assassins kill him
-kavdragon and mib are mafia
-we as a town should disregard the assassin game, let it resolve itself, focus on finding mafia
I've been pressuring people who I see as posting badly and gauging their reactions. Just because I'm not being nice or posting walls of text with a bunch of worthless "information" doesn't mean anything at all
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On April 11 2011 01:31 Jackal58 wrote:
Actually every vote he makes is directed by town. He'll always be in a lylo situation.
that's terrible
the mayor should never consider what the "town" wants him to do. that's the main point of my campaign. i will not use my votes based on the general consensus of the town I will always vote for what I think is best and I will disregard the wishes of the "town" completely
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On April 11 2011 01:28 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have.
I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is. His hands are basically tied on the lynch. He votes for who town puts forth or he gets lynched. He is in a lylo on day 1. If it gets to the point where we are that far ahead that he's a detriment to town we no longer need him anyways so again he's in a lylo. He is forced into being pro town or losing.
this is exactly what the mafia wants btw
a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor).
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On April 10 2011 21:17 Barundar wrote:I'm fine with having Protactinum as pardoner, if he will use his KP on targets decided by town a few days in, when we got a better read on who's red. For this to happen we lose the pardoner, which is a pretty useless role for town anyways, and gain vigi, a good trade in my opinion. Just remember Protactinum has a different win condition, so he won't win the game for us. Since he will only help us to the degree it serves his purpose, he will blow his KP on the assassins if they are silly enough to out themselves before we find mafia. But that is a small risk I'm willing to take. Since he obviously can't be our mayor, we should keep focus on our candidates: Chaoser, are you still running? I felt kinda off when you put a FoS on one of the only active new people. Kavdragon, I feel you need to put more effort into your campaign, you posted a lot during night 0, but seem to have gone more quiet around your own candidacy. GMarshal, you honestly want to lynch the most inactive player? That person is never going to be mafia. DrH, it seems like several people are suspicious of your alignment?From all the candidates, I'm interested in hearing how you think our pardoner should be used, the way you will be using your mayor role, and your current mafia reads. To town: it's us who decides who we want as mayor, so don't be shy to ask questions to the candidates, or write your opinions of them. Remember it's the silent ones that gets killed first!
yeah i should probably not say so much trolling shit in the pregame
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Ok I made a voting thread so ya'lls can stop complaining, BB must be REALLY drunk to have not made one 
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Indeed I was. Thanks for saving me
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hey can anyone explain why the fuck you would vote for protact are you mafia or just stupid
chaoser and redFF WHY
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On April 10 2011 18:25 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 17:02 Protactinium wrote:
Wait, not related to the game, but are you saying you're going to report me for smurfing?
Uh... I'm a staff member. I have several known smurfs running around. This is just for Mafia? Nope, it was just a joke from complaining about your face spam before the game started. Had no actual intention to report a well-known member for doing something that's not against any rules anywhere. Sorry, I suppose it was a little far out there. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 17:07 chaoser wrote:On April 10 2011 16:59 DropBear wrote:Hi everyone, just got home. First thing that struck me is how many people are running for mayor. On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote:
Unless you actively lynch Assassins (who most likely are going to either keep quiet or try to act overly pro-town) or they are killed by Mafia, I don't complete my mission objective. I don't really care how long it takes: there are 40 people in this game with no extra Mafia KP and no hatters. Ladies and gents, this is why I am not voting for Protactinium. Should he be elected, the longer he stays in office the more desperate the other assassins will get. They have incentive to kill the bodyguards. What incentive does he have to do anything to help us? We're his shield. It's in his interest to stay til the end and the longer he stays in the more likely townies will die unnecessarily. I am much more comfortable voting for someone who is useful AND pro-town like chaoser or GMarshal. The back and forth between Kavdragon and DocH is suss and I don't trust either of them enough. I think it's been covered but assassins acting desperate won't help them win. They have incentive to kill bodyguards yes, but shooting indiscriminately into town isn't going to net them bodyguard kills. It's a 40 man game. They have 3 KP a piece, 1 of which has to be used on an assassin. So really they all have 2 KP apiece to use whichever way they feel like. Aside from hunting other assassins, you really think they're all going to be trying to kill bodyguards which they don't know who is? If anything they'll try to kill each other off first, hope mafia hits bodyguards and then when all the bodyguards are dead, shoot Prot. There's no reason for them to throw their KP away trying to kill BG when they don't know how they are. This. Assassins that are playing to win are not going to be a threat. Protactinium can't ally with with the Mafia if he can't talk to them, and by BrownBear's ruling so far he can't do that via PM. Being an assassin is still going to be a waiting game, they'll just have a target they can't hit until very late into the game. The ability to pardon grants him no power to reach his own win condition. It's true that we can't force him to hold to his word about using his 2 hammers and 1 rolecheck in our favor, but there's very little reason for him not to. He only needs 1 hammer to win his game. More importantly, if he's ingratiated to play as town while he sits around for days doing nothing then we gain the analysis of a veteran. I think it's worth it.
Suppose you are an assassin. What gives you the best chance to hit the other assassins:
a) Give up two of your kp to town and hope your 1/40 shot hits the other assassins
b) Use all three kp to try and hit assassins
This should be pretty obvious. He has little incentive to help town once he actually is elected.
As mayor, he will lynch and vote against assassin suspects. Town does not want this.
As pardoner, he will never pardon.
On April 10 2011 21:17 Barundar wrote:
From all the candidates, I'm interested in hearing how you think our pardoner should be used, the way you will be using your mayor role, and your current mafia reads.
I'm still running too for pardoner. I think the role should be used for obvious bandwagons. Others are saying they will make the "tough" choice and save those who they have a feeling might be innocent. Instead, I will try to prevent innocents from receiving the most votes to by lynched in the first place. Seems like common sense.
On April 10 2011 23:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Protactinum as mayor pretty much guarantees scum don't get it. Any guarantee that scum doesn't hold those extra votes at end game is a win for town.
No it doesn't. Protract could still be scum. For those who say that there is no way he would take that kind of risk, there are 8 scum. It could be a high risk, high reward kind of situation. Either way, as mayor he would not have the towns best intentions at mind, which is something you shouldn't be supporting.
On April 10 2011 23:21 Jackal58 wrote:
No voting thread yet??? Is Bum hosting this? The timing is all fucked up.
##VOTE: Protactinum for mayor
And I don't know how you guys think you're voting for a pardoner. Pardoner is the first loser in the mayor race. Stop voting for a pardoner cause you aren't voting for anybody. That race doesn't exist.
Second most votes gets pardoner. I assume town is competent enough to manage to work it out. Wouldn't it make more sense to give it to someone to wants the role, rather than someone who loses trying to be mayor?
On April 10 2011 20:08 aidnai wrote:
Kita is definitely overreacting against Protact. Good DT check right there.
Could you elaborate? I think I've been pretty pro-town so far.
On April 10 2011 20:26 aidnai wrote:
BTW kavdragon is a stupid day one lynch. He's a damn good liar, but if anybody had bothered to to behavioural analysis it should have been obvious he was not town last game -_-. He'll be active and a fairly easy read in another day or two.
Plus there's still like a dozen people that haven't even posted yet...
This is a total flip in philosophy from pregame. Siblings sticking up for each other? I might have to keep an eye on you.
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