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Lanaia that post hurt my brain. So many square brackets...
Anyways, after rethinking a little more, I have to apologise to Protact, as I definitely don't want an assassin mayor. Whilst it's an intriguing idea, I also don't want to run the risk of an assassin pardoner, as there is no guaranteed return for the town there - any action by the pardoner, by definition of his pardoning ability, will not be easily questioned by town. A scum bandwagon vote could be claimed, his personal believe in the lynchee's innocence could be claimed.. etc. etc.
In short, as coag has pointed out, there is no way you'd want to stop a lynch (except if it was your bodyguard) and it would be extremely difficult for us to call you on a lack of a pardon. I don't believe assassins should receive votes for the mayoral campaign.
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On April 11 2011 03:34 GMarshal wrote:
Alright protact I see you points, I'm not going to vote for you, but I won't actively oppose you either. I do not think you have the town's best interests at heart and I think that your whole "I'm in it for the glory" spiel is an attempt to manipulate the town. But you *are* one of the best analysts around, and I wouldn't object to having you by my side as a pardoner, assuming you actually wanted to help the town. Frankly I'm torn so I think it best to let the town choose
Regarding my "I'll lynch the most inactive player" I think I'm going to redact that to "I'll lynch the player who I feel is lurking the most" by lurking I mean posting content-less posts while trying to appear pro town. Is that ok with everyone? Or would you guys prefer if I just hit the most inactive person?
why don't you think for yourself and lynch the person you think is scummiest instead of doing what the "town" (i.e mafia) wants you to do
th emayor should not consider what the town thinks or wants. nevermind im not gonna vote for you
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On April 11 2011 03:34 GMarshal wrote:
Alright protact I see you points, I'm not going to vote for you, but I won't actively oppose you either. I do not think you have the town's best interests at heart and I think that your whole "I'm in it for the glory" spiel is an attempt to manipulate the town. But you *are* one of the best analysts around, and I wouldn't object to having you by my side as a pardoner, assuming you actually wanted to help the town. Frankly I'm torn so I think it best to let the town choose
Regarding my "I'll lynch the most inactive player" I think I'm going to redact that to "I'll lynch the player who I feel is lurking the most" by lurking I mean posting content-less posts while trying to appear pro town. Is that ok with everyone? Or would you guys prefer if I just hit the most inactive person?
Don't hit the most inactive, that's stupid. The most inactive is likely not even playing the game, or they're just going to get Modkilled. If we want to do a policy lynch on activity, do it on a lurker. You call a lurker someone contributing without contributing, but with the amount of newer players in the game, that might not be the best deciding factor for day 1. I'd say lynch someone who was really active earlier in the game, like pregame, or night 0, and who has completely disappeared with only a minimum of posts by the end of day 1.
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On April 11 2011 03:38 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:34 GMarshal wrote:
Alright protact I see you points, I'm not going to vote for you, but I won't actively oppose you either. I do not think you have the town's best interests at heart and I think that your whole "I'm in it for the glory" spiel is an attempt to manipulate the town. But you *are* one of the best analysts around, and I wouldn't object to having you by my side as a pardoner, assuming you actually wanted to help the town. Frankly I'm torn so I think it best to let the town choose
Regarding my "I'll lynch the most inactive player" I think I'm going to redact that to "I'll lynch the player who I feel is lurking the most" by lurking I mean posting content-less posts while trying to appear pro town. Is that ok with everyone? Or would you guys prefer if I just hit the most inactive person?
Mayor should take a stand. If you "do not think he has the town's best interest at heart", then you should oppose him. You're trying to make sure you don't upset anyone, rather than trying to lead.
The thing is I really am unsure, if he were town he'd 100% have my vote for mayor, as he is scary good, but I have a really hard time believing his story that he isn't in this to win it.
You know what, fuck it, you are right, I need to step up and take a fucking stance
Don't vote a third party assassin into office! Dont allow someone who has no incentive to help us win take over a town role. Give the role to a green (or better a blue), any green, it dosn't have to be me. But the town should most certainly not be putting a neutral in office, after all when he is protected he no longer needs us. My old points stand
sorry for the flip flopping guys, I forgot that I can't afford to be as indecisive as I used to be.
oh, and kita, since Chaoser retracted his run for pardoner I guess I can make you my running mate
##Vote: Kitaman27
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With the amount of new players in this thread, myself included, i think there will be some sort of scum tell. Mayor should lynch someone who he thinks is scum. Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.
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Also, @Dr.H I'm willing to consider a kav lynch, if you provide me with solid reasoning, I have a 70% town read on kav atm, can you point out what he has said that makes you think he is scum? It dosn't have to be terribly detailed, just the salient points of why.
As of right now the two lurker lynches I am considering are jackal and wiggles, I'd like to hear thoughts for and against.
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On April 11 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
GMarshal are you going to lynch kavdragon/mib if you're elected? PLease do
On April 11 2011 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
th emayor should not consider what the town thinks or wants. nevermind im not gonna vote for you
STFU DOCH
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there is no "scumtell" its is posting behavior
big long posts with absolutely zero content, giving basic obvious "advice" to appear helpful while providing no real direction or ideas for town, when confronted becomes defensive and tries to spin it to make me look scummy instead of doing anything helpful
this is really common for mafia they post things they think look "pro-town" but are really just contentless, I feel pretty good about him over other players. Perhaps mib since he basically just regurgitated points everyone else made without posting a single original thought and that's pretty common for newer scum
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On April 11 2011 03:47 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
GMarshal are you going to lynch kavdragon/mib if you're elected? PLease do Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
th emayor should not consider what the town thinks or wants. nevermind im not gonna vote for you STFU DOCH
bite me
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SERIOUSLY THERE IS LESS THAN A MINUTE BETWEEN THOSE 2 POSTS
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
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On April 11 2011 03:50 Coagulation wrote:
SERIOUSLY THERE IS LESS THAN A MINUTE BETWEEN THOSE 2 POSTS
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
and in contrast you have been so helpful ~
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Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica
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On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica
rofl
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On April 11 2011 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica rofl
lmao
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On April 11 2011 03:47 GMarshal wrote:
Also, @Dr.H I'm willing to consider a kav lynch, if you provide me with solid reasoning, I have a 70% town read on kav atm, can you point out what he has said that makes you think he is scum? It dosn't have to be terribly detailed, just the salient points of why.
As of right now the two lurker lynches I am considering are jackal and wiggles, I'd like to hear thoughts for and against.
How am I lurking? I'm just not rehashing the exact same points as everyone else over and over again. I was going to bring up some of the reasons I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal, but they were already raised by others, so instead of just repeating what's already been said three times I mentioned that protac isn't going to be useful to us at all if he doesn't get elected, so we shouldn't waste medics on him, just leave him for the other assassins to use hits on, keeping them off of town.
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On April 11 2011 03:45 GMarshal wrote:
oh, and kita, since Chaoser retracted his run for pardoner I guess I can make you my running mate
##Vote: Kitaman27
Glad to get some support.
Another lurker that should be pressured is Lemonwalrus. He lurked as scum in Insane 2 and just a few days ago he was talking about how excited he was to play. Now that the game has started, he doesn't have a single post of content.
DarthThienAn also has zero posts. He is a veteran and I would like an explanation.
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On April 11 2011 03:54 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica rofl lmao
I've put forth quite a few ideas. Particularly about how the mayor should act (autonomously), how we should deal with the assassin game, why protact should not be mayor, and who I suspect of being mafia and why (mib and kavdragon)
There is always a reason for being aggressive even if you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. However, I think I've done all the damage I can for now. Unfortunately this isn't a PM game or I'd be harassing everyone that way instead.
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There's no way Prot is mafia btw. He says he has 2 KP and a check. He can't be roleblocked. He either does it or he doesn't. No way mafia would claim assassin to be sent into office only to be proven he can't do the things he says he can do.
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On April 11 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:1)protact isn't town 2)he has no incentive to do anything for us 3)a mayor that does whatever "Town" tells him to do out of fear of lynch is a TERRIBLE mayor 4)protact could just as well be making a very ballsy scum bluff imo the mayor should be me or Gmarshal. I get the strongest town read from Gmarshal right now. We shouldn't be so petrified of having a mafia mayor that we elect a worthless third party mayor. We have no incentive to keep protact alive, he has no incentive to help us, we're basically just discarding the role of mayor out of fear. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 03:08 Jackal58 wrote:On April 11 2011 02:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 02:57 Jackal58 wrote:On April 11 2011 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 11 2011 01:28 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have.
I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is. His hands are basically tied on the lynch. He votes for who town puts forth or he gets lynched. He is in a lylo on day 1. If it gets to the point where we are that far ahead that he's a detriment to town we no longer need him anyways so again he's in a lylo. He is forced into being pro town or losing. this is exactly what the mafia wants btw a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor). I think scum want to be mayor first and foremost. yeah and having an assassin mayor is really the next best thing And having a scum mayor is the worst case scenario for town. And I'm aware that Protactinum may be scum not assassin. If he is he has balls bigger than he's already been given credit for. I honestly think towns best interest in this is to keep scum from getting the mayors seat. I don't understand this. You admit protact could very well be scum yet you're voting for him because you just want a non-scum mayor. I think our focus should be getting a pro-town mayor. GMarshal are you going to lynch kavdragon/mib if you're elected? PLease do
Actually I haven't officially voted for anybody yet.
On April 11 2011 03:47 GMarshal wrote:
Also, @Dr.H I'm willing to consider a kav lynch, if you provide me with solid reasoning, I have a 70% town read on kav atm, can you point out what he has said that makes you think he is scum? It dosn't have to be terribly detailed, just the salient points of why.
As of right now the two lurker lynches I am considering are jackal and wiggles, I'd like to hear thoughts for and against.
How the fuck am I lurking?????
Tell ya what man. I'll vote for you for mayor and you post a list of everybody you think is town so we can fucking lynch them.
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Doch plays Aggressively.. nothing new here.
However he plays scum even more Aggressively. so its something that you can only get a read on over time. A FOS on Doch at this point is pretty pointless.
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