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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
Thereafter, I will be asking for replacement and will take the ban if necessary. Really not happy about this as I truly wanted to annihilate mafia- I really did  Quickly throwing out my last nugget of contribution before I disappear: my gut tells that Pandain is town. Admittedly I did not even choose to iso him yet, so feel free to judge this opinion with some degree of skepticism :p | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
After much deliberation I've decided to vote Pandain. It was hard but it ultimately came down to this question: If they weren't serious, why did you vote for Shockey? And why did you switch to LSB, not Nemesis, if he was the exception? Something's not adding up... If you were only serious about Nemesis, why vote for Shockey? Why switch to LSB? Could have broken the tie with a vote on Nemesis as well. If you're town, please don't play like this in the future, there are better ways of getting info and conversation. If you're mafia, nice try, but just cause you played the same style as previous games does not mean much to me. I don't enjoy looking at things from a meta-perspective and I think some games are lost solely because people depend too much on it, especially if they only looked at it in a shallow manner. ##Vote: Pandain Going to class, it ends at 9:30. Hopefully I'll be back before 10. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
And how could I have broken the tie with a vote on nemesis? If I switched to nemesis, Shockkey still would've gotten lynched. As for my playstyle, I heavily disagree. I feel I have done well this game so far, albeit I admit whether Nemesis is mafia will determine just how well I've gone. I've been THE most active player this game, generated the most information(and how is it bad for town, getting people to talk is ALWAYS good). Great, now if even one townie voted for me, we lose. Jackal, if you're really serious about wanting me lynched, and not just mafia, then please respond to my coments to you. You still have really nothing that you yourself are lynching me for besides "I'm unlucky"(got one thing wrong? wtf?). And still, I'm the only person actually trying to scum hunt. I'm the only person pressuring people. How am I mafia? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
sup? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 25 2011 07:09 Pandain wrote: I was serious on LSB too >.>. Sorry if I can't remember all of the 5 people I pressured. And how could I have broken the tie with a vote on nemesis? If I switched to nemesis, Shockkey still would've gotten lynched. As for my playstyle, I heavily disagree. I feel I have done well this game so far, albeit I admit whether Nemesis is mafia will determine just how well I've gone. I've been THE most active player this game, generated the most information(and how is it bad for town, getting people to talk is ALWAYS good). Great, now if even one townie voted for me, we lose. Jackal, if you're really serious about wanting me lynched, and not just mafia, then please respond to my coments to you. You still have really nothing that you yourself are lynching me for besides "I'm unlucky"(got one thing wrong? wtf?). And still, I'm the only person actually trying to scum hunt. I'm the only person pressuring people. How am I mafia? You didn't miss one. You missed two. Shockevvy = green LSB = Green and then BC mod killed = green. You were voting for all 3 at various times. Pushing hard for LSB and then voting Shockevvy when you were afraid of a tie. It's just too convenient. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Nemesis is the only player that feels defiantly scummy to me, Pandain I don't have a definite feel for, and I feel like people are jumping on him for being mistaken, rather than actually acting scummy. I think Jackal is just acting like a hyper aggressive townie, it is possible he is mafia, but I believe he is just town, and happens to be tunneling on another member of the town. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 25 2011 07:21 Pandain wrote: hai jackal u just posted in the other mafia game -.- sup? I'm at work. My posting opportunities are hit or miss. I'll be home in about an hour and a half. Will be able to put more time into it. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On January 25 2011 07:23 Jackal58 wrote: You didn't miss one. You missed two. Shockevvy = green LSB = Green and then BC mod killed = green. You were voting for all 3 at various times. Pushing hard for LSB and then voting Shockevvy when you were afraid of a tie. It's just too convenient. Let's see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=9#162-say shockkey is town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=9#174 I THINK lsb is mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=8#145 That is the only post in which I voted shockkey, and note how I said I don't think he's mafia, but didn't have anyone else to vote for. Later on I thought LSB was our best bet, so I tried for him. As for BC, originally I thought he was scummy(and keep in mind when I say that I mean keeping in mind that its day1), but then when he was like "you guys have to learN" instead of the typical"I'm busy", that made me think he's town. Are you really voting me because I was wrong on day1? Because I got ONE person wrong on day 1? | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
First of all, you still haven't addressed my post. I also have to add that you are playing like the way you were playing Insane Mafia when you were hyper aggressive and basically mostly used WIFOM as your argument to FoS DoctorH. A lot of your arguments Day 1 was pretty much WIFOM. "He's not contributing so he must be scum" was your main argument for all your FOS. Just to address your reasons for voting me: On January 24 2011 11:31 Pandain wrote: Why I believe Nemesis is mafia. Summary: Nemesis to me is scum. From "contributing without really contributing", weak contribution compared to his previous game(such as lack of analysis) to his general posts this game, Nemesis has been playing scummy. Note how when he was town he would contribute alot, and I even waited a day for Nemesis to perhaps post something, but its very likely in my eyes that he's scum, and just wanted the day to go by. I'm unsure about nearly everyone, but Nemesis in my eyes is our best bet. An analysis of his posts this game + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2011 22:08 Nemesis wrote: @Jackal I wouldn't say that lynching actives is a big mistake. I wasn't paying attention to what happened in XXXVI, but we should lynch scum, and mafia is not always inactive. And I guess back to the usual first day topic. Lynching inactives. Since lynching a scum is very hard in the very first day. Lynching inactives would be a very good start as it would prevent mafia from lurking. I'm going to wait a bit for people to talk since the game has just started. I don't like this post. I'm going to be a little lenient since it's a somewhat confusing concept, but again, we don't want to lynch inactives. We want to lynch lurkers. Every person we lynch who's "inactive." is not going to be mafia. On January 20 2011 22:30 Nemesis wrote: Duh, of course lynching the most active player day 1 is not the best idea ever (I suggested lynching inactives), but I am saying that we shouldn't be afraid to lynch active players. We shouldn't focus too much on what blues should do. We don't know what blue roles there are and blues will do what they think is best anyways. We should just focus more on scumhunting than whatever blue plans. Okay, focus on scum hunting. However, Nemesis hasn't scum hunted or helped with blues. On January 21 2011 06:11 Nemesis wrote: Yes, I did say that we should lynch scum, but day 1, it is very hard to actually lynch scum because we don't have a lot of information available to us. Which is why I suggested that we should lynch inactives for the first day. As it has been said before, inactivity is a big problem which we do not want to see in this game. Lynching inactive first day encourages people to participate more in the discussion and be more active which makes it is easier to find mafia, as the more discussion we have as there is more information available to analyze. ##Vote Shockeyy I haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners. Explains himself, but the main problem about this post is his vote. Votes with a one line answer, going for the easy lynch. On January 21 2011 10:53 Nemesis wrote: Okay, note what he's saying. 1."I'm just pressuring Shockkey". Yet Nemesis never ends up unvoting him, despite Shockkey becoming considerably more active. 2."Hey, no one else is adding new content." Well for one, that doesn't give you an excuse at all and second, you've done some pretty decent analysis in previous games. Furthormore, other people had actually been actively talking about stuff. On January 21 2011 11:17 Nemesis wrote: Pandain all you did is define inactive/lurker. You still haven't answered how we can differentiate between them.You are just repeating the same points over and over again without really answering that question. The only thing that we can really do is prevent everyone from heading that way in the first place by pressuring/lynching inactives. Keeps saying "Lynch inactives!" Again, we want to lynch lurkers. But that's really moot, and it's more the philosophy of how to play mafia rather than mafia itself. Notice how rather than actually contributing at all Nemesis has just defended himself and argued over the definitions. You were the one who was arguing over the definition, you basically derailed the thread with your whole lurkers/inactive thing. On January 22 2011 12:52 Nemesis wrote: I am not really sure about voting for Gmarshal. He seems to be trying a bit of forced activity, but at least he is trying, while shockeyy on the other hand has pretty much been useless. Note how Shockkey has by this point actually been contributing somewhat. At least more than Nemesis. He's changed from "just make sure he doesn't dissapear" to "lynch him, he's useless." And what exactly has shockey contributed? All that shockeyy contributed is pull an OMGUS on LSB and then disappeared again. At this point, I refuse to believe that you are just a bad townie, since you are now making stuff up. Also who would you rather have my lynch at that point of the game? The only other people that was up for lynch was Gmarshal and LSB, both of which I didn't think was scummy. On January 23 2011 03:58 Nemesis wrote: Hmmm, town is in a bit of a bad position right now with BC getting modkilled. Right now it is 6-3 5-3 (after tonight) 3-3 (the next day if we mislynch) So next day is pretty much LYLO, unless medic succesfully protects someone. We need to be careful about the next lynch and not be too rash. States the obvious. His posts, as town, in TMM2 Note how he failed to mention that flamewheel/orgolove turned up townie even though I had a "good" reason to vote him. What I realized that game is that it is pointless to analyze base on a few post on day 1, which is why I went for who I think would be a useless person to town later in the game(inactives). Also, it would also have the benefit of encouraging activity. You want analysis? I've been doing analysis since I've come online this day phase. You are just drawing at straws for me not having been online during the first 15 hours or so of day phase. In summary, Pandain is making a lot of shit up and is mafia. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
2. Barundar I'm unsure too. But he just isn't as active as before, and while he's done "an" analysis, he isn't really "active" per se. Like he's not actively trying to figure everything out, and seems like he's just chillaxing. 3. Hesmyrr-long analysis, getting replace when you wouldn't need to when mafia(as mafia, don't need to do so much thinking and "real" analysis. 6. Pandain 7. GGQ- Unsure, but he seems to fit his playstyle as town, albeit he's more active/seems to contribute more this game. I think he's town, but unsure. 8. Chaoser- still not getting a "good read", but my gut tells me he's town. Well actually my gut says he's mafia, but my logic says he's town :p. Contributes alot, and really theres only one thing that I can really say might prove:1.Not defending me when he switched to shockkey as well(albeit thats a small thing).. 9. Nemesis Ironically I'm not as sure as before, but I don't really have anyone else that I'm more sure of. 10. GMarshalFor one his vote on Nemesis. If he was mafia, then that means that out of the 3 votes on me, at least one would be town. That means if Gmarshall had voted me, he could've just said "yeah I think he's scum" and gotten me lynched. And mafia would win the game as long as no one got vigi'd/no vet hit/medic protection. Finally has contributed at least a decent amount. Here's the current list from my perspective. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Or jackal? Maybe I'm tunneling a bit. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Which also means your more likely scum based on my list. First off, the fact is you really haven't analyzed at all, contrary to beforehand. Just because you got someone wrong doesn't mean you stop trying. Then you've said "well even if he wasn't scummy, then who would I lynch". The point is you find new people. And I'm tired of people saying I'm derailing the thread so much. Like last time, with my fake claim. People hardly even talked about that, and in return it could've guranteed about 3 days worth of blue actions. Plus at least it generated discussion. And now just because we're talking about "lynching inactives:yes or no" and the typical day 1 jazz, just because I helped forward that discussion, I'm derailing the thread. As for what Shockkey had contributed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=5#100 A semi analysis on you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=8#150 A decent post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=8#153 Showed he had been at least helping somewhat Shockkey had started contributing, that isn't a lie. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
jackal, I just took a quick skim over his posts right now. And hmm, he seems to be posting a lot but most of his post seems to be either stating the obvious or useless one liners. He put some FoS on bc, hesmyrr, and ggq for not contributing but doesn't vote for them. He then proceeds to vote for you but doesn't really say why beyond I'm suspicious of him, and then disappears. He seems to be lurking quite a bit too. He's been going under the radar for a while now with his "contributing without really contributing" play style. Hmm, I think he is scummy, but my main bet is still on you Pandain. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I'm 75% sure out of you and Jackal, one or both of you are mafia . Cmon, where are other people? Why am I always nearly alone in trying to figure stuff out? | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
The first post that you mentioned was I admit that he was at least trying. But really he only responds when he is called out. It was the same thing with the other 2 post that you mentioned. His second post was an OMGUS for him having "2 jobs and school", and his last post is counting the number of post to "prove" he's not lurking/inactive which is pretty useless as it doesn't take into account the content of the posts. | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
We can't win this game without people actually voting :/ | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On January 25 2011 08:46 Nemesis wrote: I'm sorry but you call shockeyy's posts contributing? The first post that you mentioned was I admit that he was at least trying. But really he only responds when he is called out. It was the same thing with the other 2 post that you mentioned. His second post was an OMGUS for him having "2 jobs and school", and his last post is counting the number of post to "prove" he's not lurking/inactive which is pretty useless as it doesn't take into account the content of the posts. Which is the same as you. You've really only been either defending(and then attacking) from your accuser(me.) I'm going to be honest I literally I have no idea what to do right now. BC getting modkilled was . | ||
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On January 25 2011 08:48 Pandain wrote: Which is the same as you. You've really only been either defending(and then attacking) from your accuser(me.) I'm going to be honest I literally I have no idea what to do right now. BC getting modkilled was .I only had 2 post defending myself day 1. As for day 2, I don't exactly have much of a choice when I'm one the current lynch target right now. I am not attacking you for attacking me. I really think that you are scum, just like my back and forth with L in Insane. Bzzz, well I'm going to be heading over to the other mafia game until someone actually comes on. | ||
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