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Mod preface:
This is not a game intended for learning or to be highly balanced. I am testing some experimental roles and the majority lynch to see how it works on TL. The game will be fun! So join up. I am the only mod, so direct all questions to me via PM. This game is small and I will not wait for Salem mafia to finish. I won't accept sign-ups from anyone who has not played mafia before and I will prioritize players who are not playing in Salem Mafia or have died in Salem Mafia.
Generic Mafia Intro:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.
During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead. Any player with a special role that can act must PM me their actions each and every night.
If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by whatever analysis, teamwork, or guile they have. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
The game is typically very active and there are usually numerous walls of text to wade through. If you are not a person who likes reading then I highly suggest you don't play the game because it is essential to being informed within the game. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: (subject to change)
Posting Etiquette:
Don't flame. Attack arguments not people. I have a harsh policy against flaming, I'm not scared to modkill over personal arguments.
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games:
1. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game.
2. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be owned.
8. There are to be NO private messages this game. However Private messaging, including IMs / IRC, is allowed between Mafia and some special roles.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is to be done in this thread.
2. Please vote in the following format, to make it easier for everyone to read: [Vote]##Korynne. While the bolding in itself is not necessarily needed, it makes it easier on everybody's eyes. Please bold. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update votes whenever I get the chance.
3. You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.
4. You may not vote for yourself.
Modkills:
Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. Inactivity is most easily defined as failure to participate in the thread. And once again, flaming is not tolerated. Keep it civil, or else you will receive a quick lightning bolt to the back of the head. Furthermore, you must post at least once in this thread per 72 hours to avoid being modkilled.
I am following Qatol's ban list.
Signups:
Sign Ups will be done here. Just post “/in” to sign up. Or some variation
Clues:
There are no clues.
Time Cycle:
The game follows no time cycle. Please be active. The policy is majority lynch:
Whenever a player recieves the majority of the votes, they are lynched and the day ends. The night ends in a period of 24 hours from when the day ends.
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer".
Credits:
I stole this from LSB. Who stole it from Korynne. She probably stole it from someone else. So if your angry about not being mentioned here, uhh… direct the attention to her. Qatol too
This game is much like Insane Mafia. Everyone has a special role but the amount/names/powers of roles are not revealed. There is no third party. There are 12 town players and 3 mafia players in this game. There is no misinformation in mod posts or role PM's.
Signups:
1. Fishball Priest
2. Coagulation Whisperer
3. ghrur
4. barundar Radar Tech
5. Orgolove
6. Aidnai
7. ~OpZ~ Innocent Child
8. jcarlsoniv
9. annul
10. deconduo
11. LSB Hobo
12. kingjames01
13. Node
14. SouthRawrea Psychic
15. Aeres
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I'll be your guinea pig.
Might also give me more ideas on a potential game I might host.
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why, do you want to host it with me? one is enough but if u want thats cool
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am following Qatol's ban list.
I'm sitting out of one right now - would it count?
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Yes, I'll let you in if you promise to be good.
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/in
got killed too fast in salem, need more mafia!
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lol I meant could I play even if I was hosting a game 
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/in 3 games isn't too many is it O_o
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/in
Thanks for the PM! I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise.
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these roles are so crazy im either going to look like a genius or an absolute retard for putting them in a game
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On November 30 2010 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
these roles are so crazy im either going to look like a genius or an absolute retard for putting them in a game
I can't wait 
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I plan to use this Experimental game to try out some new things. We'll see how it goes. =)
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/meow
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2010 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
these roles are so crazy im either going to look like a genius or an absolute retard for putting them in a game
inb4 mafia idiot that makes mafia win when he's lynched
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there are no idiot roles that win the game by being lynched, i think they ruin games.
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depends on how you see it
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so are you in then glasse?
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GLASSE WHY YOU POSTING HERE AND NOT SALEM?
SUP SCUMCAT?
YOU SCURD?
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Are PMs going to be allowed? I am going to get soooo confused if I get PMs pertaining to this game and Salem.
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Awesome node + glasse means its full
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I'm assuming Glasse is in. If he isn't then we need 1 more. once he confirms I'll send the role PM's.
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On November 30 2010 06:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm assuming Glasse is in. If he isn't then we need 1 more. once he confirms I'll send the role PM's.
Well he did say /in (inside the spoiler)
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oh derp i didn't see that alright
expect role pms shortly
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On November 30 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
I'm a cat. MEOW!
:3
grats on the trophy thingy
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oh my god doc
i hate you so much right now
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I thought you would like your role Node!
Day 1
BLAH BLAH BLAH the sun rises over the town of Liquidia. Someone died and everyone said "omg there must be mafia here" so they decided to hunt for mafia and the mafia laughed and said "lol we're gonna kill everyone"
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out.
Somebody fell in love.
A child is playing in the yard.
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
A voice from the heavens said "on the first day, thou shalt not roleclaim".
The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now.
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It's brilliant, but it's going to drive me mad.
This game is going to be something else.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Oo, a lover's mafia! Someone with a day-kill..? A doctor... and a... umm.
I think the spirit means that that person will get a different role if killed or lynched.
I don't know what the child specifies.
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On November 30 2010 06:11 deconduo wrote:grats on the trophy thingy
Thanks! =) I hope it lasts! I've taken screenshots because I don't think I'll have it for very long.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
We don't have much to go for. Based on past experience, I know who I'd lynch - but we should wait to give mafia more chances to slip up.
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you guys really love giving me shitty roles
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On November 30 2010 06:53 orgolove wrote:
We don't have much to go for. Based on past experience, I know who I'd lynch - but we should wait to give mafia more chances to slip up.
how you doing orgo.
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On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now.
How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy...
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well im thinking we need to keep 3 people who are confirmed town aligned and active and keep them as a counter balance to safeguard vrs swingvotes from mafia we can get some pretty good info on who is voting who and more importantly "why" in this setup.
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On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy...
The idea is that in order to stop bandwagons, the mafia would all have to vote one single way which is normally inadvisable. In a normal game they would never have to do this.
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Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.
Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_-
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Lets get down to business
[##]Vote Fishball
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<#([_Vote_])(Fishball)#<<
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Abstains aloud?
[Vote]##Coagulation
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Im not gonna lie
I have a terrible town role.. PANDAIN should have my role honestly.
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My role relies 100% on me running a town circle. DocH did this on purpose I swear..
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hes laughing at me right now
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Coagulation, you cannot roleclaim today. If you keep dropping hints, the mafia will figure out what you can do.
Also, take whichever role you received as an opportunity to improve as a Mafia player. Just do your best. =)
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On November 30 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote:
My role relies 100% on me running a town circle. DocH did this on purpose I swear..
Then run a damn town circle! Come on man, step up to the plate and think a little bit about your role instead of blurting out everything you know.
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Hmm, I think I might roleclaim. As far as I can see having my role secret will only cast suspicion on me, as its a pretty shitty role =/ I don't think it will help maf in anyway to know what it is.
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I'm assuming PMs are allowed right?
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well if you can prove your townie with it ..
having no role list to look at really makes a roleclaim at this point pretty useless for town
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A voice from the heavens declares "he who roleclaims on the first day shalt die a terrible death"
No roleclaims Day 1 or you'll be modkilled. Starting Day 2, roleclaims are allowed. There are certain roles in the game that are not allowed to roleclaim.
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On November 30 2010 07:37 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, I think I might roleclaim. As far as I can see having my role secret will only cast suspicion on me, as its a pretty shitty role =/ I don't think it will help maf in anyway to know what it is.
Idk if you are serious or not, but read the day post and it says this: A voice from the heavens said "on the first day, thou shalt not roleclaim".
Not sure what can happen if you challenge the voice from the heavens.
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On November 30 2010 07:41 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:37 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, I think I might roleclaim. As far as I can see having my role secret will only cast suspicion on me, as its a pretty shitty role =/ I don't think it will help maf in anyway to know what it is. Idk if you are serious or not, but read the day post and it says this: A voice from the heavens said "on the first day, thou shalt not roleclaim".Not sure what can happen if you challenge the voice from the heavens.
Well then, on day 2 I will. Missed that in the day post, obviously I shouldn't skim >.<
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On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business
[##]Vote Fishball
Why would you vote for me?
Wait, why would you not vote for me?
[##]Vote Fishball
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Haha, nevermind
Just checked I can't vote for myself.
So,
[##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD
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Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn.
WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.
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On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.
Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia?
Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere.
Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them.
So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one?
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I'm looking for a couple replacements, just in case. So not too late to sign up.
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On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one?
Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond?
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I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend
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Quick Tally:
Coag votes Fishball
SR votes Coag
Fish votes RoL
ghrur votes RoL
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Heyyyyy I'm here! Sorry, I'm a varsity college athlete, so not ALL my time can be spent on mafia
I'm always a fan of reducing clutter (even if it is preemptive)
##vote Coag
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On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one?
Well, at the moment, it just seems as though everyone is casting random votes. Obviously we're not going to achieve anything with this unless the town starts applying more pressure.
I think we should be trying to decipher DrH's day post. There are some intriguing statements which seem significant.
On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day 1 Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. Somebody fell in love. A child is playing in the yard. A man with a black hood stands in an alley. Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
On November 30 2010 06:50 orgolove wrote:
Oo, a lover's mafia! Someone with a day-kill..? A doctor... and a... umm.
I think the spirit means that that person will get a different role if killed or lynched.
I don't know what the child specifies.
orgolove has started us off. I'm going to add my comments.
A pharmacology degree would be awarded to a pharmacist. A pharmacist is a professional who distributes medicine but does not tend to the wounded. Is this analogous to a medic? I'm not sure about that.
I don't have any ideas about the other lines. Any other thoughts?
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aw man i wanted to play this
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On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote:ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go
What does "thats 6. so 6 more to go" mean?
Well, I don't know if DrH is referencing Haunted when he uses the word, "spirit". I don't know what it could mean though. Maybe there's a person who can project his soul into an astral plane and watch other player's at night.
The Innocent Child role is interesting. I've never seen that before in a game. If that role does exist and is used, we'll have a confirmed scum hunter.
The line "Someone fell in love" might refer to the "Lovers" role where the death of one player will trigger the death of the other.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lovers
"A man in a black hood stands in an alley." seems to be referring to a mafia role?
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The spirit "waiting to come out" implies a role that needs to be "activated". Usually the requirement for that is death, but you never know. Maybe a "revenge vigi" of sorts?
Person(s) falling in love seems to refer to this role, for those who haven't seen it before.
Annul posted the most likely role for the kid in the yard.
The man with the black hood could be just about anything. Probably not a very benign role, though.
The pharmacology implies doctor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist on it. What form that would take, I don't know.
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Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
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On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I believe a pharmacist is like a nerfed medic. If the person they are trying to save gets attacked, the person doesn't die but they do. Might be wrong on this though
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On November 30 2010 09:43 Node wrote:The spirit "waiting to come out" implies a role that needs to be "activated". Usually the requirement for that is death, but you never know. Maybe a "revenge vigi" of sorts? Person(s) falling in love seems to refer to this role, for those who haven't seen it before. Annul posted the most likely role for the kid in the yard. The man with the black hood could be just about anything. Probably not a very benign role, though. The pharmacology implies doctor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist on it. What form that would take, I don't know.
Ah, I agree with your interpretation of the spirit role. Someone probably has an ability that is activated upon death.
I'm going to have to disagree about the pharmacology role. Pharmacology degrees are not awarded to doctors but pharmacists. DoctorHelvetica works in health and would not make that mistake. Again, I think that means there is a Pharmacist role. What that means, I don't know.
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Are we allowed say if one of the clues points towards ourselves, or is that too close to roleclaiming?
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It's too close to roleclaiming on day 1.
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Ok guise lets lynch someone so we can hurry up to day 2 :3
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Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^
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On November 30 2010 09:54 deconduo wrote:
Are we allowed say if one of the clues points towards ourselves, or is that too close to roleclaiming?
Ok, so I would think deconduo is one of the people listed then...
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As someone moves out someone else moves in.
Who will it be?
A man begs in the street.
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glasse has moved out of liquidia
aeres has moved in
say hi to aeres!
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HI AERES! No fake BG claims! =P
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Woo, crisis averted!
Hey, guys. I'm new in town, need a place to stay. =O
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So aeres just replaced glasse?
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That is correct, deconduo. Glasse had to leave for unknown reasons, so I'll be subbing in.
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Hai Aeres o/
Lurkerz: Barun, RoL, Pandain
The game hasn't been on a long time though.
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On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^
I was mostly kidding <3
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On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:
Hai Aeres o/
Lurkerz: Barun, RoL, Pandain
The game hasn't been on a long time though.
Yeah, I read what happened so far. Not too much, but that'll change with time.
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Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep.
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The man in the black hood found his axe.
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On November 30 2010 10:18 deconduo wrote:
Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep.
On November 30 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The man in the black hood found his axe.
lol...looks like something crazy might happen anyway!
But, I agree with deconduo. Not enough posts yet :/ It is pretty early in the game, but RoL must be active 'cause he's modding the other game right? Where you at RoL?
On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
It seems like there would have to be two lovers to start with, right? so is there a third now?
Also, the axeman is definitely looking sinister. Almost certainly a mafia KP role of some sort, only question is: is it one/limited time use or nightly?
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Black hood guy-> Mason?
Axe -> George Washington?
George Washington = Mason
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On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3
Seems more like we switched alignments. >_>
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On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one?
##vote aidnai
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On November 30 2010 09:54 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 Node wrote:The spirit "waiting to come out" implies a role that needs to be "activated". Usually the requirement for that is death, but you never know. Maybe a "revenge vigi" of sorts? Person(s) falling in love seems to refer to this role, for those who haven't seen it before. Annul posted the most likely role for the kid in the yard. The man with the black hood could be just about anything. Probably not a very benign role, though. The pharmacology implies doctor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist on it. What form that would take, I don't know. Ah, I agree with your interpretation of the spirit role. Someone probably has an ability that is activated upon death. I'm going to have to disagree about the pharmacology role. Pharmacology degrees are not awarded to doctors but pharmacists. DoctorHelvetica works in health and would not make that mistake. Again, I think that means there is a Pharmacist role. What that means, I don't know.
To expand on this, I would think the pharmacist role probably is a nerfed medic. Something like give a pill one night, saves them the next night? So it actually would require a higher level of skill to use.
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i must have missed it but where did drh say no PMs?
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On November 30 2010 12:37 annul wrote:
i must have missed it but where did drh say no PMs?
"8. There are to be NO private messages this game. However Private messaging, including IMs / IRC, is allowed between Mafia and some special roles. "
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On November 30 2010 12:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:54 kingjames01 wrote:On November 30 2010 09:43 Node wrote:The spirit "waiting to come out" implies a role that needs to be "activated". Usually the requirement for that is death, but you never know. Maybe a "revenge vigi" of sorts? Person(s) falling in love seems to refer to this role, for those who haven't seen it before. Annul posted the most likely role for the kid in the yard. The man with the black hood could be just about anything. Probably not a very benign role, though. The pharmacology implies doctor, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a twist on it. What form that would take, I don't know. Ah, I agree with your interpretation of the spirit role. Someone probably has an ability that is activated upon death. I'm going to have to disagree about the pharmacology role. Pharmacology degrees are not awarded to doctors but pharmacists. DoctorHelvetica works in health and would not make that mistake. Again, I think that means there is a Pharmacist role. What that means, I don't know. To expand on this, I would think the pharmacist role probably is a nerfed medic. Something like give a pill one night, saves them the next night? So it actually would require a higher level of skill to use.
Yeah, that would be a really hard role to play correctly. It definitely would make sense though if it existed in an experimental game. In essence, it is the opposite of the Poisoner role which kills the following night.
It's been confirmed that we actually have 2 of these roles. Since we only have 15 players, we probably do not have a true medic/doctor in addition to our 2 Pharmacists.
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yeah, at first I was thinking the spirit role mentioned was going to be a die then come back to life (possibly confirmed) but if it was confirmed that would make two 100% town roles if the description that someone linked of the child was correct. In such a small game that seems really OP, especially if there is medics.
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Oh and if I am correct on the pharmacist role it means we can't block any of the kills tonight, so whoever is the most active will die, or anyone who is confirmed. So anyone important should avoid claiming, because if I am correct it means you will die and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.
##Vote Fishball
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My vote on Aidnai wasn't a joke, I think that post and the rest of his that I read are scum tells, calling for activity, posting a fluff "aright guys lets be productive/analyze, etc" post, calling for me to not be inactive like 5 minutes into the game without being active.
He is legitimately a good choice right now and I want us to kill Aidnai.
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btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL
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ebwop: As far as fishball goes, its two posts and hes a difficult guy to read but I will figure him about before day 3 as long as hes active
To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover.
On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation.
the hooded man I am torn on, its either a special power mafia role (the later references to it make it sound more sinister) or its a DT, maybe a DT with more than 1 KP. The description of it sounds like either the grim reaper or an executioner. After the latest comment about it I would lean towards executioner.
The reason I am conflicted about the alignment related to that role is because with that spirit role it sounds an awful lot like Amber's role from Insane Mafia, although I think since its a Spirit maybe he can choose to take over another players body? IE, kill that player and gain their role whatever it may be. If the game is as crazy as DrH suggested I think that would be a solid guess because if the child assumption is correct I can't see it being any sort of confirmed role in such a small game.
So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role.
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On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote:
btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL
Where did I role claim?
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On November 30 2010 12:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and if I am correct on the pharmacist role it means we can't block any of the kills tonight, so whoever is the most active will die, or anyone who is confirmed. So anyone important should avoid claiming, because if I am correct it means you will die and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today
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On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote:
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.
##Vote Fishball
Hell, the game just started.
What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that!
For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this.
As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it...  So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all.
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On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball
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On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote:
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.
##Vote Fishball Hell, the game just started. What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that! For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this. As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it... So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all.
I don't even know what to say about that. But if you would like, I would bet my life that Aidnai is mafia and if I am wrong we can kill me tomorrow. Sound fair? I'd make the bet!
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Really happy this is starting! Was traveling home yesterday, and I got class now, so should be able to contribute in a few hours when I've read up during class...
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thats a pretty big gamble there ROL
town will be pretty fucked if he turns out town and then we lynch you for no reason other then "oops" and you flip town.
just keep that in mind.. its generally never a good idea to allow any kind town lynching a townie being an acceptable strategy..
otherwise im all for flipping him if you got some scumtell your basing this off of.
I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball
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orgo votes fishball
annul votes fishball
Coag votes fishball
Fish votes RoL
ghrur votes RoL
SR votes coag
jcarl votes coag
RoL votes aidnai
Not voted:
barundar
Aidnai
deconduo
pandain
kingjames01
Node
SouthRawrea
Glasse/Aeres
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So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_<
I’ve read this + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. ... So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role.
What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role?
I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look.
#vote Aidnai
PS: Pandain time to post :-)
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I believe the "with the power of love" part is just referencing back to the lovers to apply a connection. Just like how it said a hooded man found an axe. Its so hes not saying completely random things and gives us a chance to kind of form ideas.
I was also kind thinking that the conversion process might even be taking someone and turning them into a traitor variation where the mafia knows who but just like the normal lover role they are linked? This would give the mafia more power in a majority lynch game at least until one of the two lovers dies.
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I am very interested why pandain hasn't posted, normally he's so eager!
I think why everyone is saying about the ghost is probably true. It make sense that a power will be activated upon death. Thing is, would this be town or mafia power?
I'm hoping what someone said about the hooded figure being a mason is true, that would be interesting, and the clues make sense. I'm not sure if the clues were meant to lead us to mason, and instead it could just be Mafia KP.
No idea what to make of the lover born anew.
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Pandain's last post in the Salem maf was at 05.10, about an hour before this game started. So I assume he just hasn't been around for whatever reason.
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Hah I got this picture in my head of "mafia" being "lovers", converting others to their side... and one of them is even pregnant with a baby spirit mafia!
But yeah
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On November 30 2010 20:39 Barundar wrote:So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_< I’ve read this + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. ... So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role. a few times, and I really don’t understand how to interpret the “with the power of love” part of the clue. Care to explain? I agree with the rest of the role assesments. What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role? I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look. #vote AidnaiPS: Pandain time to post :-)
About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging.
As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that.
RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative.
##Vote Aidnai
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orgo votes fishball
annul votes fishball
Coag votes fishball
RoL votes aidnai
barun votes aidnai
aeres votes aidnai
Fish votes RoL
ghrur votes RoL
SR votes coag
jcarl votes coag
Not voted:
Aidnai
pandain
kingjames01
Node
SouthRawrea
deconduo
Still needs 5 more votes to lynch anyone, so no danger for a while.
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As regards the lovers thing, its possible that someone got the role of a 'lover' They then picked someone to 'love' who was born anew. The power is that they can communicate with each other through PM, and if one dies so does the other. The person they picked might be anything, maf or townie.
This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games.
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Not too sure yet, still a lot of stuff going around and I don't want to place a vote just yet.
The 'Town Drunk' is also another name for a roleblocker, he visits someone during the night and gets drunk with them, preventing them from taking any night actions. Its another possibility.
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Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies
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On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies
Now this is interesting.
The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player.
One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane.
Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy.
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On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies Now this is interesting. The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player. One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane. Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy.
Not necessarily. They could be exactly the same role, and one of them is sane, while the other is insane, but neither of them knows which one they are. This will cause a lot of mind grapes.
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On December 01 2010 01:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies Now this is interesting. The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player. One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane. Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy. Not necessarily. They could be exactly the same role, and one of them is sane, while the other is insane, but neither of them knows which one they are. This will cause a lot of mind grapes.
I'm aware that that possibly exists, but from what I know of the Doc's intentions here, he wants this whole GAME to be a mindfuck in terms of roles. Insane Mafia didn't have exact repeats of roles, and the Doc himself compared that game's intent to this one, so I don't feel like he'd dull the variety by inserting two near-identical roles when he could have two roles that are similar, but have subtle differences aside from the insanity factor.
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On December 01 2010 01:40 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies Now this is interesting. The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player. One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane. Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy. Not necessarily. They could be exactly the same role, and one of them is sane, while the other is insane, but neither of them knows which one they are. This will cause a lot of mind grapes. I'm aware that that possibly exists, but from what I know of the Doc's intentions here, he wants this whole GAME to be a mindfuck in terms of roles. Insane Mafia didn't have exact repeats of roles, and the Doc himself compared that game's intent to this one, so I don't feel like he'd dull the variety by inserting two near-identical roles when he could have two roles that are similar, but have subtle differences aside from the insanity factor.
I dont think so. The idea of two detectives, one sane one insane seems pretty reasonable in this sort of setup.
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I’m starting to think that the man in the black hood is mafia aligned. It doesn’t make sense in a chaotic mafia to have mafia without any special powers. We have clues on 5 players in the initial post, and the relationship between mafia and town is 1 to 5. This leads me to believe we got 4 town clues and 1 mafia clue straight off the bat, and my guess is the hooded figure is the bad one. The fact he is pulling out an axe makes me scared to write this :-(.
On Aidnai, this might be mafia slip-ups:
On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy...
On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.
Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_-
Notice how he make himself more guilty than the mistake entitles, and drop a “I’m town” hint.
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Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
A man begs in the street. (8)
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
10 role clues given so far. That leaves 2 more if only town clues are given, 5 more otherwise.
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You forget that
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
was posted at the same time and could be related. Say 1 person "fell in love", and decided to fall in love with person 2, who was our Pharmocology student. By choosing person 2, person love gained his power of pharmocology.
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On December 01 2010 02:34 Barundar wrote:You forget that Show nested quote +Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. was posted at the same time and could be related. Say 1 person "fell in love", and decided to fall in love with person 2, who was our Pharmocology student. By choosing person 2, person love gained his power of pharmocology.
That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure.
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On December 01 2010 02:24 deconduo wrote:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Ability activated upon death.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Executioner/Mason
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
Sane/Insane detective
10 role clues given so far. That leaves 2 more if only town clues are given, 5 more otherwise.
The mason thing actually makes sense. Remember that Coagulation revealed his role when he said:
On November 30 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote:
My role relies 100% on me running a town circle. DocH did this on purpose I swear..
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Ok, so, I mean, who do we want to lynch? Is the choice pretty much Fishball or Aidnai?
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Also note the vote list going around:
orgo votes fishball
annul votes fishball
Coag votes fishball
Fish votes RoL
ghrur votes RoL
SR votes coag
jcarl votes coag
RoL votes aidnai
Not voted:
barundar
Aidnai
deconduo
pandain
kingjames01
Node
SouthRawrea
Glasse/Aeres
My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball.
Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red.
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Huh? Coag is still on the list.
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On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote:
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it.
A vote-invalidator? Sounds like the Booger role that Coagulation had in Insane, except the targeted voter can choose someone else to vote instead of being negated entirely. This'll make it difficult to reach a majority vote.
I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"?
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Nevermind, I missed your first post above.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote:
I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"?
Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_-
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On December 01 2010 05:01 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote:
I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_-
Coagulation may be blunt and sometimes hostile, but he's not an idiot. I don't think a policy lynch on Coag is the wisest move to make... but we'll see.
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##Vote Ghrur
Ghrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction.
His posts:
On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right?
rules
On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.
Okay?
On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend
This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later.
On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^
Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that.
On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_>
What? Ghrur explain this.
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Note that I'm not arguing for a policy lynch on coagulation here - I think it's pretty clear that he's a blue.
Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball.
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hehe orgo why no comment?
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On December 01 2010 05:31 Pandain wrote:hehe orgo why no comment?
...On what?
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On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote:
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it.
On December 01 2010 04:50 orgolove wrote:
My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball.
Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red.
On December 01 2010 05:06 orgolove wrote:
Note that I'm not arguing for a policy lynch on coagulation here - I think it's pretty clear that he's a blue.
Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball.
I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described.
This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.'
##Vote orgolove
On December 01 2010 05:01 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote:
I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_-
As an aside, it really bothers me how much people pick on Coagulation. Everyone is entitled to play mafia in a safe environment. Although Coagulation has made some dubious plays and has been called down for it numerous times, he is still here. He's faced automatic lynches, pseudo-'random' votes and personal attacks. This is not the only example of such an occurrence but it is the latest that I've seen.
The Mafia games are read by prospective players as well and viewing such hostile attacks against a specific player is not inviting.
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uh
orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing.
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and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games
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I'm highly doubtful that Fishball is mafia, to be honest. It's too easy for mafia to remove a vote from him and instantly claim that only mafia would do such a thing. I realize it's a really WIFOM-y argument, but I think a wagon started forming on him way too early and way too easily.
I'm not sold on aidnai or anybody else yet, but I'm not about to try and get Fishball lynched.
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On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games
sigh, this again. Attacking someone's arguments is perfectly acceptable. Pointing out logical fallacies is not a character assault and shouldn't be taken as such.
In a competitive game, like Mafia, it is sometimes necessary to try and unnerve someone so they make mistakes. I don't condone that type of behaviour in real life though.
However, this is not the forum to discuss this issue. Your game is still going on and if you're going to continue to try and 'get in the last word', then you're going to make a mistake and then try to blame me after. Save it for the post-game discussion.
Anyway, I'm just pointing out that if Coagulation or anyone else makes a mistake, it's fine to point it out, after the fact. However, players are using POTENTIAL mistakes BEFORE they are made as an excuse to lynch.
Honestly, if you can't find a better reason to lynch someone, there's probably a good reason.
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see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems
but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed.
at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good.
PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle
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there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments"
big big difference
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On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems
but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed.
at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good.
PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle
Are you kidding me... STOP addressing me. We'll hash this out in the Sengoku post-game.
I've told you before, your continued spam just makes it easier for the mafia to stay hidden. If you really care about winning for the Town, then do some actual scum-hunting rather than distracting us from what matters.
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On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments"
big big difference
Yes, there is. I use the first statement, you use the second. That's the difference.
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so back on topic...
On December 01 2010 05:38 Aeres wrote:...On what?
probably on the big wall of text about ghur being scum pandain posted right above orgos last post..
sorry pandain orgo is apparently too busy "defaulting his vote to coag" to listen to scumhunting.
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you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku..
but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)?
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Fishball, I would like to know what you think about lynching Aidnai today. Please explain your reasoning in great detail. I would also like to Ghrur to give his reasoning one way or the other against Aidnai.
Also Orgolove, don't spread our votes like that. The two biggest candidates so far are Aidnai and Fishball. I would like this day to end today at some point so we can continue moving forward. I think the Ghrur analysis is decent but I think Aidnai is better for a kill right now.
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On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku..
but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)?
Annul, this is something that should be taken into account later on. We can say HEY I DONT THINK THAT IS LIKELY all we want, time will prove if that role really exists, its an unnecessary risk on his part to claim something stupid to justify changing votes when on day 1 hes not going to be heavily criticized for it. The biggest thing I would say against his vote change is WHY would he go for Coagulation without giving good reasons. We have better suspects and spreading votes in a majority lynch game is retarded and anti town. I would encourage him to put more thought into who he is voting for.
As for any of the votes on me, I am really not worried about dying during the day, I am sure I will die at night though so I figure talk my ass off now while I can. I think we just put the mafia in a hard spot and I will elaborate after I get a response from fishball/ghrur like I requested above, then I will explain my reasoning and my remaining suspicions for the mafia team.
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On December 01 2010 05:44 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote:
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:50 orgolove wrote:
My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball.
Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 05:06 orgolove wrote:
Note that I'm not arguing for a policy lynch on coagulation here - I think it's pretty clear that he's a blue.
Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball. I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove
On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)?
What the hell? I said it first... If you can't come up with your own analyses, then just quote them. I know you read it because you addressed part of it. Do you have to constantly try to prove to everyone that you're scum?
This is seriously going to be the last game I play with you.
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On December 01 2010 06:44 Pandain wrote:
Why aidnai?
I will say just trust me on this, but there has been a couple of posts showing how he has done a few major scum tells, in the post that I voted for him with I actually quote the best example of it, but literally all of his posts are textbook. I have also made a bet with fishball, if I am wrong about Aidnai you guys can kill me tomorrow, that is how confident I am.
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to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am.
so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well.
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On December 01 2010 06:47 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 05:44 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote:
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. On December 01 2010 04:50 orgolove wrote:
My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball.
Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red. On December 01 2010 05:06 orgolove wrote:
Note that I'm not arguing for a policy lynch on coagulation here - I think it's pretty clear that he's a blue.
Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball. I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? What the hell? I said it first... If you can't come up with your own analyses, then just quote them. I know you read it because you addressed part of it. Do you have to constantly try to prove to everyone that you're scum? This is seriously going to be the last game I play with you.
That last part is unnecessary, you were warned in other games to stop being a condescending douche, now please follow suit and play the fucking game. I am tired of this whiny sensitive bitching bullshit. Everyone stop crying play the game and nut the fuck up.
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On December 01 2010 06:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I will say just trust me on this, but there has been a couple of posts showing how he has done a few major scum tells, in the post that I voted for him with I actually quote the best example of it, but literally all of his posts are textbook. I have also made a bet with fishball, if I am wrong about Aidnai you guys can kill me tomorrow, that is how confident I am.
Um... I don't see how any of his posts are even slightly scummy. Please point this out to me, I guess I'm slow.
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Vote tally so far:
Aidnai - 3
Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend
Coagulation - 3
Voters: jcarlsoniv, orgolove, SouthRawrea
Fishball - 2
Voters: annul, Coagulation
RebirthOfLegend - 2
Voters: Fishball, ghrur
ghrur - 1
Voters: Pandain
orgolove - 1
Voters: kingjames27
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C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS.
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WTF Aidnai has THREE VOTES?
Aeres tell me why aidni is scum, point out posts. Cause ghrur is far a better canidate than aidnai, as well as coag who is getting lynched because "he's the worst player hurr durr"
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Pandain do I really need to repost or can you scroll up?
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On December 01 2010 07:06 Barundar wrote:
Pandain do I really need to repost or can you scroll up?
You shouldn't jump into conversations and pretend to contribute when you haven't really added anything to this game so far.
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On December 01 2010 02:17 Barundar wrote:I’m starting to think that the man in the black hood is mafia aligned. It doesn’t make sense in a chaotic mafia to have mafia without any special powers. We have clues on 5 players in the initial post, and the relationship between mafia and town is 1 to 5. This leads me to believe we got 4 town clues and 1 mafia clue straight off the bat, and my guess is the hooded figure is the bad one. The fact he is pulling out an axe makes me scared to write this :-(. On Aidnai, this might be mafia slip-ups: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy... Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.
Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_- Notice how he make himself more guilty than the mistake entitles, and drop a “I’m town” hint.
This? This is why your lynching him? Because he made a mistake? Son Person whos probably older than me if I had a penny for every time someone made a mistake in mafia I'd be a rich man. Heck, I misread my role pm one time. (that was funny.)
You're reading at stuff that isn't there, and saying he hopes he doesn't get killed again is not scummy at all.
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No please do split up your votes
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On December 01 2010 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 06:47 kingjames01 wrote:
This is seriously going to be the last game I play with you.
That last part is unnecessary, you were warned in other games to stop being a condescending douche, now please follow suit and play the fucking game. I am tired of this whiny sensitive bitching bullshit. Everyone stop crying play the game and nut the fuck up.
Oh, RoL. I was NEVER warned in ANY game and I eagerly await your rebuttal. What you're thinking of is the post-game discussion of Insane. The comment came from a player who made a really bad move and took offense to generic advice that was not even addressed to him. The ensuing discussion revealed that my opinion was a valid one.
I respect that you've been around, but I will not back down just because of your posting history. So if you're going to try to mediate, keep your insults to yourself.
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I am really lazy to actually do an analysis but its a bunch of classic mafia tells. I will show you.
On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy...
A lot of mafia in thread to feign activity pose questions relating to the rules of the thread, it shows activity and is kind of constructive. The biggest thing though is saying how its impossible/hard for town. Its like hes trying to show hes part of the town, I think its generally done subconsciously by mafia because it seems like the right thing to say when it only seems like a townie thing to say from a mafia perspective. I know I have done that tell before in games, but have not been called out on it.
Actually in insane mafia I did it when I attacked the legitimacy of DrH claiming he was "100% town" when that guilty medic died who if he protects mafia dies. I attacked the role and the rules, not him or his claim.
On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.
Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_-
Fluff post, "I hope I don't get killed night one again" is something the mafia says a lot, then the next day "yay I am not dead" you know why? Because they were killing people the night before lawl. Its just classic zero content posting that paints a red picture.
On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one?
I like to call this the grand plan post, its the one I actually quoted while voting for him. Its basically "Alright guys we need to do this that and whatever the fuck else to do to win.
Point A
Point B
Point C
Remember behavioral analysis is important yadayada yada. So basically you made a huge post saying nothing except telling us to be productive? Mafia players like to do this because it makes it look like they are focusing on the big picture for the town, even though they are virtually saying nothing. In a normal game this is less of a tell on day one, but in a crazy game like this there is ALWAYS more to talk about then some stupid "grand plan" in this game he could talk about the weird day post and strange rules, his suspicions, then go into his rant, but he just says nothing.
On November 30 2010 10:56 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:18 deconduo wrote:
Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The man in the black hood found his axe. lol...looks like something crazy might happen anyway! But, I agree with deconduo. Not enough posts yet :/ It is pretty early in the game, but RoL must be active 'cause he's modding the other game right? Where you at RoL? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
It seems like there would have to be two lovers to start with, right? so is there a third now? Also, the axeman is definitely looking sinister. Almost certainly a mafia KP role of some sort, only question is: is it one/limited time use or nightly?
Rehashing old points kind of, focus on the previous posts.
Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.
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I'd just like everybody to take note of the pointless argument, how much of the thread it has taken up, and how much it has distracted people from finding scum.
I'd keep a very close eye on both annul and kingjames.
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I heavily disagree RoL. First off, so asking about the rules is a scum tell? Sheesh. If mafia do that to pose as a townie, then wouldn't townies have to do it in the first place btw?
Second off, making a beginning comment about hoping to not be killed off is not something "common" mafia says. It's something people say if they were killed off last game first night.
Furthormore, he did contribute to discussion on that third post. I admit it is not that great but it is far more than ghrur done. It is, as you say, "contributing without contributing." But in this case it is obvious that a townie could make this post, while ghrur has done this far more often.
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I will look over Ghrur but I am still in favor of Aidnai and I think my reasoning is more than adequate, you are entitled to disagree though.
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On December 01 2010 07:17 Pandain wrote:
I heavily disagree RoL. First off, so asking about the rules is a scum tell? Sheesh. If mafia do that to pose as a townie, then wouldn't townies have to do it in the first place btw?
Second off, making a beginning comment about hoping to not be killed off is not something "common" mafia says. It's something people say if they were killed off last game first night.
Furthormore, he did contribute to discussion on that third post. I admit it is not that great but it is far more than ghrur done. It is, as you say, "contributing without contributing." But in this case it is obvious that a townie could make this post, while ghrur has done this far more often.
The point is you think a townie would do it, not that a townie would necessarily do it in the first place. Maybe a townie would do it 10% of the times it is done, but a mafia is doing it the other 90%. Its a whole level of mental fucking yourself. No one purposely does a mafia tell when trying to pretend to be town, it just slips out over the course of your lying. About him dying you could be right, but it just seemed unnecessary, I would view a post like that kind of 40/60 or 50/50 mafia (60-40 in favor of mafia tell) so I reason if a lot of his posts seem like mafia tells, then I either suck, he sucks, or hes red.
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On December 01 2010 07:10 Pandain wrote:
This? This is why your lynching him? Because he made a mistake? Son Person whos probably older than me if I had a penny for every time someone made a mistake in mafia I'd be a rich man. Heck, I misread my role pm one time. (that was funny.)
You're reading at stuff that isn't there, and saying he hopes he doesn't get killed again is not scummy at all.
That is not the post where I posted my reason and gave my vote, this one is: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 20:39 Barundar wrote:So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_< I’ve read this + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. ... So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role. a few times, and I really don’t understand how to interpret the “with the power of love” part of the clue. Care to explain? I agree with the rest of the role assesments. What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role? I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look. #vote AidnaiPS: Pandain time to post :-)
I do respect you as a more experienced player, but I posted my reasons for voting for Aidnai, and I haven’t seen any counter arguments, not even a defence from Aidnai. Feels like you are just trying to diminish my opinion.
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BARUNDAR TEAM TOWN HIGH FIVE!
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On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:##Vote GhrurGhrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction. His posts:rules I know, I know. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Okay? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later. How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure?Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that. Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> What? Ghrur explain this.
Sure, I'll explain.
Here's my thoughts on Decond so far.
I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do.
+ Show Spoiler +Alright, RoL posted.
##Unvote RebirthOfLegend
Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming.
Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond.
Other Decond Stuff:
Doesn't wanna vote
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?
+ Show Spoiler [OTHER MAFIA CANDIDATES] +
Aidnai:
Post without much information
Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion?
Not really discussing, asking others to discuss
Against town circle
Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia
Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed
Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly
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On December 01 2010 07:37 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 07:10 Pandain wrote:
This? This is why your lynching him? Because he made a mistake? Son Person whos probably older than me if I had a penny for every time someone made a mistake in mafia I'd be a rich man. Heck, I misread my role pm one time. (that was funny.)
You're reading at stuff that isn't there, and saying he hopes he doesn't get killed again is not scummy at all. That is not the post where I posted my reason and gave my vote, this one is: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2010 20:39 Barundar wrote:So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_< I’ve read this + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. ... So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role. a few times, and I really don’t understand how to interpret the “with the power of love” part of the clue. Care to explain? I agree with the rest of the role assesments. What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role? I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look. #vote AidnaiPS: Pandain time to post :-) I do respect you as a more experienced player, but I posted my reasons for voting for Aidnai, and I haven’t seen any counter arguments, not even a defence from Aidnai. Feels like you are just trying to diminish my opinion. '
This?
I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look.
That's hardly a reason!
@RoL, the point is, it's not a scum OR town thing for what he said. Also he is new, so while he doesn't "suck" he may do things which seem scum(even though I think they really aren't.) You're delving into things that aren't there.
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Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai
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EBWODP:
##Unvote RebirthofLegend
##Vote Aidnai
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I've been going through each person's posts looking for suspicious activity or lack of activity.
SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look:
On November 30 2010 05:36 SouthRawrea wrote:
/in sounds good
On November 30 2010 07:07 SouthRawrea wrote:
Abstains aloud?
[Vote]##Coagulation
On November 30 2010 11:06 SouthRawrea wrote:
Black hood guy-> Mason?
Axe -> George Washington?
George Washington = Mason
On December 01 2010 07:10 SouthRawrea wrote:No please do split up your votes
Main points:
- NO content.
- Vote without an accompanying explanation.
- Expresses satisfaction with lack of town coordination. (I hope this one is a joke.)
I'm going to stick with my vote on orgolove. However, we need to apply pressure to players who are not contributing.
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+ Show Spoiler +I don't know anything about the game, but what's up with the kill the new kid trend?
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On November 30 2010 16:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote:
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.
##Vote Fishball Hell, the game just started. What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that! For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this. As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it... So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all. I don't even know what to say about that. But if you would like, I would bet my life that Aidnai is mafia and if I am wrong we can kill me tomorrow. Sound fair? I'd make the bet!
What the....?
I'm trying to see how this makes any sense as a town play (or a scum play for that matter)? are you just bluffing to put more pressure on me or something? Coag is right, this is a crazy gamble and I don't understand it at all.
As for my 'scummy' posting... I just don't see it. My points were 1) we should focus on schumhunting 2) we need real discussion points to get town talking and 3) I don't really know what we SHOULD talk about, but I do think we SHOULDN'T be wasting time talking about roleclaiming (moot point since it's not allowed for now anyway) or building a town circle (day 1 no DT checks have come back). Do you disagree with any of that?
Also this:
On December 01 2010 02:17 Barundar wrote:I... On Aidnai, this might be mafia slip-ups: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy... Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.
Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_- Notice how he make himself more guilty than the mistake entitles, and drop a “I’m town” hint.
I suppose this was a "slip up" of sorts... I had just PMd a question to DrH about how I use my role. Then of course I saw that the information I needed was already in my role PM. So yeah, I was feeling sheepish, and yes, I did get killed night one in salem mafia for whatever reason >.<
Remember, when I posted that stuff we were only five hours into the game, there really wasn't much to talk about. I posted what came to mind, so what? I actually did contribute, which is better than most other people in the thread. And jcarlsoniv, you said I am against a town circle, which is not true at all. I’m against having some random person day 1 focusing discussion on forming a town circle. If a circle happens, it happens. It shouldn’t be the focus.
Now pressuring people with votes and arguments is good, but for the life of me I can’t figure out why RoL is doing this bet with fishball... Does he intend to follow through and willingly lynch himself if I do get lynched today? He stated already that he expects to die tonight, maybe he thinks the bet doesn’t matter? but how does it help town? I really can’t figure this one out, can you explain it to us RebirthofLegend?
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I WILL RAPE YOUR FAMILY LSB.
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On December 01 2010 08:03 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:##Vote GhrurGhrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction. His posts:On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right? rules I know, I know. On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Okay? On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later. How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure?On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that. Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> What? Ghrur explain this. Sure, I'll explain. Here's my thoughts on Decond so far. I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do. + Show Spoiler +Alright, RoL posted.
##Unvote RebirthOfLegend
Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming.
Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond.
Other Decond Stuff:
Doesn't wanna vote
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?
Aidnai:
Post without much information
Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion?
Not really discussing, asking others to discuss
Against town circle
Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia
Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed
Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly
Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend
Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write: On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote:
Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs. On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post. The end.
Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles.
Other points:
+ Show Spoiler +
Doesn't wanna vote
Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead.
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?
Much more useful information than you have posted.
The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously.
Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made.
FoS ghrur
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so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use
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Can we kill him so I can find out the level of rightness I am?
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On December 01 2010 08:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I WILL RAPE YOUR FAMILY LSB.
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RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells.
## Unvote Coag
## Vote Aidnai
On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.
Really necessary though?
To address ghrur:
Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
I am currently in 3 games of mafia, in the last 3 weeks of my college semester, and I am a varsity athlete, so excuse me if people post things that I agree with before I can post them. Speculative topics are just that, completely speculative, and I believe a lot of the speculation that has been made is correct, so I agree with it.
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly
This is because in Salem, I know facts. In Sengoku, I know facts. I can be confident about the facts I know, and can convey this confidence. This is a game that has just started and everyone is just speculating. I cannot be sure if any of my speculations are correct, so I don't post them in a definite manner.
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guys I am really sorry, I have to back out of this game for personal reasons.
gg gl the doctor said he had time to replace me.
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If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~!
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On December 01 2010 05:44 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote:
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:50 orgolove wrote:
My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball.
Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 05:06 orgolove wrote:
Note that I'm not arguing for a policy lynch on coagulation here - I think it's pretty clear that he's a blue.
Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball. I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove
Er. Do you guys really think I'm making up the vote nullifier? If I was making it up, why would I copy a function that's almost a direct copy of Insane Mafia? Come now...
There's a reason the first day is unlimited duration. It's to give time for these kinds of roles to be used effectively.
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On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role
Again, really? Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?
The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role.
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On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role Again, really? Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role.
I don't think you would make this role up. We are getting some role lists eventually, so for you to lie about this would just be stupid. Even if we weren't getting role lists, it wouldn't be worth it to lie about it on day 1.
The thing is, it is possible that mafia did this on Fishball just to incriminate him. I know it's a bit WIFOM and such, but I think it's worth keeping in mind. It doesn't 100% show that he's scum. Unless it's a stupid scum player who thought it would be a good idea to save his friend, even though you'd be told that you had to change your vote.
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A voice from the heavens speaks.
On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house
all fear or love the hammer
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You must really enjoy writing these, don't you Doc?
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On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
So we can roleclaim, but we can't share role PMs? I'm not sure what else the "documents" would refer to.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sounds like we don't have as much time as we think we do. Doc might end the day early, or maybe there is a role that decides when day will end. (One time use, of course)
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
Refers to a police officer role?
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
Sounds like multiple people can have the same role.
all fear or love the hammer
In the OP:
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer".
Seems to me like it's referring to that.
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i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what
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preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard)
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On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A voice from the heavens speaks.
On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house
all fear or love the hammer
Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list.
- Someone got caught speeding in a car.
- A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker.
On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:
Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?
The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role.
Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now?
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The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role.
GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!)
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Thing is, if orgolove is mafia, I can't think of what he would actually have to gain for making up the role he did. Okay, so he gets to change his vote once. Whee?
I think we should wait and see if the role comes into effect again before we pass judgment on its fakeness.
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On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role.
GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!)
t(-_-t)
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You can roleclaim starting night 1.
You can not in any capacity quote your role pm. You must describe your role using your own words! This is so that everyone's roleclaim will be equally untrustworthy.
There are some weird ones that might seem dumb to put in so I can't wait for the "NO WAY DOCH WOULD PUT THAT ROLE IN THIS GAME" shit flinging when you realize how dumb i actually am as a host
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On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role.
If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement.
I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas?
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On December 01 2010 10:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells. ## Unvote Coag
## Vote AidnaiShow nested quote +On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so. Really necessary though? To address ghrur: Show nested quote +Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
I am currently in 3 games of mafia, in the last 3 weeks of my college semester, and I am a varsity athlete, so excuse me if people post things that I agree with before I can post them. Speculative topics are just that, completely speculative, and I believe a lot of the speculation that has been made is correct, so I agree with it.
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly
This is because in Salem, I know facts. In Sengoku, I know facts. I can be confident about the facts I know, and can convey this confidence. This is a game that has just started and everyone is just speculating. I cannot be sure if any of my speculations are correct, so I don't post them in a definite manner.
Okay, I'm good with that.
On December 01 2010 08:51 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:03 ghrur wrote:On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:##Vote GhrurGhrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction. His posts:On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right? rules I know, I know. On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Okay? On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later. How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure?On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that. Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> What? Ghrur explain this. Sure, I'll explain. Here's my thoughts on Decond so far. I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do. + Show Spoiler +Alright, RoL posted.
##Unvote RebirthOfLegend
Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming.
Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond.
Other Decond Stuff:
Doesn't wanna vote
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?
Aidnai:
Post without much information
Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion?
Not really discussing, asking others to discuss
Against town circle
Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia
Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed
Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend
Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write: On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote:
Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs.
You're right. That was indeed a pretty useless post except that I voted for someone and they did help contribute afterwards. I'm not gonna deny it though, it was a worthless post aside from the vote. I maintain that it's just general day 1 chat though. =/
Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post. The end. Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles.
Why is it not done by ANYONE except caller in sengoku then? That too is a majority lynch game. Still, I suppose you're right on this one. I've never played a majority vote game like this one before where day ends once we get a majority, so I'll concede the point. However, I wasn't taking a dig at you. I was complimenting you. I'm sorry if it sounded like a dig.
Other points:
[spoiler]
Doesn't wanna vote
Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead.
Why is this specific to majority lynch games? It could happen for all mafia games, especially those with a close vote and time-based days. You voted relatively early on in Salem, and then even experimented with Kenpachi near the end. You could've killed him when you woke up too with the deadline if you weren't watching.
Furthermore, why're you afraid to vote on Day 1 when it was early in the game? You said, Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? Guess what? YOU NEVER DID THAT. Interesting contradiction huh? Scum much?
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS
That doesn't make it any less wishy-washy. Guess what heuristic Ver used in his Mafia XXX write up to help determine mafia? Wishy-washiness. Furthermore, you're exaggerating my argument. I never stated in any way that you had to know what the roles do or anything. I'm just saying you're being way too non-assertive about your theories, like you don't want to put them out there.
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?
Much more useful information than you have posted.
Except... it wasn't. It was equally useless in my eyes.
The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously.
I'll take your word on that. If not though, I hope you understand that it'll be a HUGE FoS on you. In fact, a palm of suspicion.
Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made.
FoS ghrur
Too bad, I'm just hunting scum. If I need to be aggressive, which I've found out that I do, then I'll do it. Also, I'm not scum. I'm blue. ^_^
No, a case is definitely to be made here. Notice this. Throughout this WHOLE post accusing me, not once has he denied that he is INDEED mafia! Furthermore, he doesn't disagree with the fact that he has posted one liners, he just says I don't contribute. Also, [b]note the interesting contradiction about him and putting pressure on lurkers. Interesting how he doesn't follow his own advice, no? Couple that with this idea:
This is the type of gem to look for!! Note the blatant contradiction in logic, the excuse of adhering to some mysterious 'principle' despite saying specifically how good of a candidate YM is.
Guess what, that was by Ver. Notice the similarities yet? He says put pressure on a lurker and see how they respond. HE DOESN'T DO IT. Why? Because of the principle "Voting must be taken seriously."... but it's day 1? And he was still active during that time?
Finally, notice once more, he says we don't know what roles there are. I agree with that. However, that only supports my point that a "roleclaim" by a mafia member would only be beneficial to them because THEY have the information, THEY can make up any role (like pandain did), and THEY can lead us astray. It only helps them to roleclaim so early when we have little to no information and confuse us. Decond never disagrees with this. Sorry decond, despite your attacks, the contradictions are there. I understand I haven't been helpful yet to you, town, especially not to pandain's standards, but I'm trying here. Just look at these contradictions. Those aren't made up, they're staring you in the face. Suspect Decond.
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On December 01 2010 11:42 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A voice from the heavens speaks.
On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house
all fear or love the hammer Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list. - Someone got caught speeding in a car.
- A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:
Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?
The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role. Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now?
Again. Why the >hell< would I lie about something that could be so easily disproven? As you've noticed right now, DrH has been consistently providing role hints throughout the day. A red wouldn't pull such an attention onto himself by claiming something that could easily be disregarded before even the first day ended. If you don't notice a vote nullifier in the list, it just means DrH has hidden the clue well enough to confuse you.
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Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil
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BTW i know mod said don't roleclaim
but i'm the "jerk riddler"
my role is i have to make confusing riddles and rhymes to confuse everyone so i can laugh at how wrong they are about stuff
if i don't post a riddle once per day i get modkilled
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On December 01 2010 12:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
BTW i know mod said don't roleclaim
but i'm the "jerk riddler"
my role is i have to make confusing riddles and rhymes to confuse everyone so i can laugh at how wrong they are about stuff
if i don't post a riddle once per day i get modkilled
I... O_o
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On December 01 2010 12:06 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:42 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A voice from the heavens speaks.
On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house
all fear or love the hammer Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list. - Someone got caught speeding in a car.
- A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker. On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:
Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?
The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role. Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now? Again. Why the >hell< would I lie about something that could be so easily disproven? As you've noticed right now, DrH has been consistently providing role hints throughout the day. A red wouldn't pull such an attention onto himself by claiming something that could easily be disregarded before even the first day ended. If you don't notice a vote nullifier in the list, it just means DrH has hidden the clue well enough to confuse you.
Well, at the moment, there really isn't enough to go on for anyone to get lynched. This is a difficult game because there is no deadline for a lynch. Without time pressure, it's easy for mafia to hide amongst the town. It's in our best interest to apply pressure to everyone so that they'll explain themselves adequately.
Anyway, the other person on my list is SouthRawrea. I posted this before but I'm doing again.
On December 01 2010 08:19 kingjames01 wrote:I've been going through each person's posts looking for suspicious activity or lack of activity. SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:07 SouthRawrea wrote:
Abstains aloud?
[Vote]##Coagulation Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:06 SouthRawrea wrote:
Black hood guy-> Mason?
Axe -> George Washington?
George Washington = Mason Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 07:10 SouthRawrea wrote:No please do split up your votes Main points: - NO content.
- Vote without an accompanying explanation.
- Expresses satisfaction with lack of town coordination. (I hope this one is a joke.)
I'm going to stick with my vote on orgolove. However, we need to apply pressure to players who are not contributing.
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Ok...Let me check my life status real quick and read up.
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So, I see several things going on at once in the thread. There is the Coag/Fishball/Orgo thing going on, then there's the Ghrur/Deconduo thing, and of course who could forget the RoL/aidnai thing. (I still maintain that debating the role clues/hints is mostly a waste of time).
Here's the thing, mafia would love to just sit back and let town destroy itself. So it's a safe bet that some of these conflicts are townie vs. townie. But the fact that the debate is continually being shifted from one thing to the next says to me that mafia are active in the thread, trying to shift attention around. So probably there's at least one mafia vs. townie battle going on. Now my thoughts:
RoL vs. aidnai. RoL's case against me was pretty weak, ESPECIALLY compared to the way he was acting about it. I've thought about this for a while and come to the following conclusion: RoL is probably a vet type role, or perhaps a mad hatter. I believe his game plan was something like, pick the first scumtell you see, pressure the shit out of whoever it was that 'slipped'. Two options from here: 1) you found mafia -> congrats, you may get a lynch, you may force mafia to behave a certain way in the thread, etc. 2) you found town -> in this case the plan is to draw a mafia hit. Mafia would certainly be tempted to hit RoL to frame me and cause confusion in the town (while eliminating a strong player, perhaps the only one here with a game plan)...of course, RoL would either survive the hit (foiling the plan) or maybe blow up some mafia. I think he may have also chosen me to pick on because i'm new--the thinking being that if I was actually mafia, he'd be able to scare me into making a real slip-up. I think his brazen, fearless stlye of posting definitely points to a vet/bulletproof/hatter type role, where he would want to take a hit.
Verdict: townie vs. townie.
Ghrur vs. Deconduo. I have looked at the posting from both, and in my opinion we're looking at two townies again. Both deconduo and ghrur looked suspicious right off the bat, as each would be eager to point out. But, that is more than understandable, given the wacky game setup plus everyone is a blue so that right there is gonna make people act a little weird. What is more important, however, is that they both responded pretty well to pressure, gave good arguments, posted without guilt or fear etc. Imo you two should bury the hatchet.
Verdict: townie vs. townie.
That leaves coag/fishball/orgo. I feel like I'm missing half of what's going on with this one, but here's what I see. Coag votes fishball later explaining his reasoning as "I really feel that if doch would make anyone on the signup list mafia it would be 100% fishball". Fishball responds pretty oddly (voting himself, then unvoting and voting RoL), and orgolove jumps all over him. Now this was obviously a simple pressure vote, but look at the way fishball reacted:
On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 12:49 orgolove wrote:
Hmm. Fishball really didn't respond like a blue at all to coagulation's advances. And considering coagulation's typical behavior, he doesn't seem like a red. -_- though I'm all for removing clutter, it'd be great if we take out a red in day 1.
##Vote Fishball Hell, the game just started. What exactly do you want me to do? And what do you mean "I didn't respond like a blue at all"? There is a specific way on how a blue responds? Well I surely didn't know that! For an immediate Day 1 lynch, I could really care less who wants to vote for who. But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives, especially in such a small game like this. As for why I voted for RoL; Well, I feel like it. If I were a Day Vig, I would have used my kill on him right now. Why? Because I feel like it... So if you follow your senses and vote for me, I won't have a problem with that at all.
Now, this seems scummy to me for several reasons. 1) overreaction much? 2) advises looking at inactives, votes for a strong mafia player/veteran (at that point inactive) and then never changes his vote despite RoL becoming active and being a likely blue. 3) shows no regard for town interests.
And in fact, fishball has done absolutely nothing for town, even though he's been active yesterday and today. Here's the rest of his posts to date:
On December 01 2010 04:53 Fishball wrote:
Huh? Coag is still on the list.
On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote:
Nevermind, I missed your first post above.
Keep in mind these posts (from page 8) are boldly ignoring orgolove's accusations--a common mafia tactic (ignore it until it goes away). I know fishball is capable of doing more for town than this. Maybe he's acting extra strange because of his role, but I can't believe there's a town role that keeps you from contributing anything at all.
on that note:
##vote fishball
P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_-
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On December 01 2010 11:54 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role. If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement. I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas?
Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful.
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p.s. That's how Fishball plays. Sorry.
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lol, that's not how I play, more like how I choose to play.
I'm currently trying to get gold on GT5 B-6
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On December 01 2010 14:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:54 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role. If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement. I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas? Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful.
I did not suggest that we spend all of our time deciphering clues. I know you just joined the game and need to catch up but until you do, don't just respond to the last things that have happened.
Here are some of the major points so far:
- DrH has not provided us with a role list.
- He is feeding us clues that are significant. They seem to be hinting at our roles.
- Among the latest clues, he left a cryptic message and said that it was a hint for EVERY role.
Think about what that means. If we don't have a complete role list, then mafia can just make up roles and fit in. It should be clear to anyone that keeping track of DrH's clues benefits the town.
Next, the clue that I was referring to in that post you quoted specifically states that "And i think that is a hint for every role." The keyword here is EVERY. THAT INCLUDES MAFIA ROLES.
If YOU think that trying to figure out the capabilities of the mafia is "Not worth the time or effort" then you either haven't put enough thought into the game or you're trying to make sure that any information about important roles stay hidden.
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er i meant
including the last hint
every role has been hinted at
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I am very, very confident that Fishball isn't mafia. I'd be willing to bet my life in this game that orgolove's vote being removed is a sign that mafia is trying to frame him. As for not moving his vote off RoL, come on, surely everyone realizes there's no way scum would waste a vote like that in such a small majority lynch game -- it's pretty clear RoL/~OpZ~ isn't going to get lynched. I'm thinking that mafia is just doing their damndest to bandwagon an inactive townie.
I intend to follow through with RoL's plan, and am also willing to offer myself up for a lynch in the event that this doesn't work out.
##Vote aidnai
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I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints".
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wow
drh says that he has hinted to all roles
where is the vote redirection role hint?
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow
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There were "no clues" in insane mafia as well but Artanis did the same sort of thing except all at once in night posts.
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I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning.
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So we know that DrH has given us clues to every role. I'm going to continue the list that deconduo started with the latest clues:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Ability activated upon death.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Mason
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Ability to end day early?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Brain Surgeon?
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
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I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue.
There are a few roles that I haven't figured out yet. Also, from this list, I don't know which roles are likely to be anti-town. Any thoughts?
As has been previously mentioned in the thread, one of these roles is supposed to be a Vote Nullifier. I don't see that in this list so I've probably missed a clue.
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Sighhh
The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc.
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I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important.
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Considering how DrH has hinted at just how nuts some of his roles are, I think it's pretty silly to presume what their capabilities and limitations might be. Remember also that Coagulation has also hinted at some kind of town circle role and deconduo intends to roleclaim tomorrow. We may be able to come up with some basic "archetypes" (doctor, detective) but I'm not about to base any decisions on what may or may not exist in this game.
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On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote:
I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints".
On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote:
I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning.
Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted.
Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases.
Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia.
Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash.
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On December 01 2010 15:42 Node wrote:
Considering how DrH has hinted at just how nuts some of his roles are, I think it's pretty silly to presume what their capabilities and limitations might be. Remember also that Coagulation has also hinted at some kind of town circle role and deconduo intends to roleclaim tomorrow. We may be able to come up with some basic "archetypes" (doctor, detective) but I'm not about to base any decisions on what may or may not exist in this game.
Well, Coagulation could be explained as a Mason which someone suggested was the "man in the black hood."
Oh, I just got an idea.
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On December 01 2010 15:42 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote:
I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints".
Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote:
I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning. Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted. Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases. Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia. Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash.
I know the difference between the two (unless you think others are retarded), and that is not my point.
Sure, a host can do whatever he wants; That's why I said "I personally think".
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Well this is an experimental mafia. A "test" so to speak.
I'll be doing more of these mini mafia games as a sandbox for my stupid ideas
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Also no personal attacks. Annul and kingjames01 if you have a beef, drop it because I can tell you right now it's BS. This is a forum game of zero significance and I consider you both smart fellows and decent mafia players. This is the attitude that ruins mafia games.
I'd also like to apologize for being a hypocrite. I've been rude to a lot of players and especially when I'm mafia I've tried to win the game by alienating other players and intimiating townies with condescension. I think there is a forum wide effort to recruit more newbies so I think everyone needs to cool their jets for the next few games. You need thick skin to play mafia but when feelings are hurt there is a problem.
So I'm sorry to everyone I've personally offended or made feel inadequate. You can always feel free to PM me for advice/friendly talk about how to improve. I have more advice for mafia players than town though, for sure.
This isn't an extremely serious game so I don't mind saying it here. Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest.
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I had a plan to try and fill out our list, but I just asked DrH about it via PM and he said that my plan is too close to roleclaiming to be legal. Basically, my plan was for us to say whether or not our clue was in the list and if the guess about our role was correct or not. We would not say which clue nor would we be revealing what our actual role was. This was an attempt to reduce the amount of possible defenses that the mafia could try to use and also flesh out our list of roles.
On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote:
Sighhh
The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc.
On December 01 2010 15:39 orgolove wrote:
I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important.
I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay.
If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned.
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On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also no personal attacks. Annul and kingjames01 if you have a beef, drop it because I can tell you right now it's BS. This is a forum game of zero significance and I consider you both smart fellows and decent mafia players. This is the attitude that ruins mafia games.
I'd also like to apologize for being a hypocrite. I've been rude to a lot of players and especially when I'm mafia I've tried to win the game by alienating other players and intimiating townies with condescension. I think there is a forum wide effort to recruit more newbies so I think everyone needs to cool their jets for the next few games. You need thick skin to play mafia but when feelings are hurt there is a problem.
So I'm sorry to everyone I've personally offended or made feel inadequate. You can always feel free to PM me for advice/friendly talk about how to improve. I have more advice for mafia players than town though, for sure.
This isn't an extremely serious game so I don't mind saying it here. Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest.
I agree that there is no place for personal attacks in a Mafia game.
I think that the onus is on each player to clean up their language. Insinuating that someone is stupid because they don't agree with you is wrong. I do not enjoy seeing posts with "Are you stupid/retarded/a little moron/a douche/other variant of idiot" even if they're not directed towards me. It detracts from the argument and only serves to make the poster appear foolish.
My comment then is I hope that hosts/mods will do their part to make sure that Mafia is a safe environment for players, new or experienced. If we wanted to face personal attacks, we'd be laddering.
+ Show Spoiler +hehe... Also, you said dick.
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Well if I do hit a mafia with my guesses, I expect shit to get thrown in my face. It's either that or they try and blame someone else.
I feel really sorry for Glasse though, I think he has been unlucky with being the target a bit too often .
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Vote tally:
Aidnai - 6
Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, noe
Coagulation - 2
Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea
Fishball - 3
Voters: annul, Coagulation, aidnai,
RebirthOfLegend - 1
Voters: Fishball,
ghrur - 1
Voters: Pandain
orgolove - 1
Voters: kingjames27
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First: With RoL gone I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town.
Secondly I initially voted for Aidnai, because I saw a post which basically repeated itself "no town circles, no town circles" and "discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam", which obviously is a contradiction in itself.
However my vote was by no means final, and I simply wanted his explanation. Instead we saw what I consider an attempt to blame fishball, and a ton of spam. This is what I consider the mafia panic response. If mafia had played it cool, my doubts would have been easily dismissed, and from what I can guess since he was weary as well, so would Aeres’. Aidnai’s defence came very late, and while it is decent, it came after the panic response.
Thirdly the only other person I could be convinced to vote for is Ghrur. His attacks on Deconduo seems unreasonable to me. I too got annoyed at Deconduo’s vote tally posting, and called him out on it, but he responded convincingly straight away. However Ghrur is not the target that is being launched as a second candidate. This is also a reason for me to stick to Aidnai.
Lastly I’m really sorry for voting for you Aidnai, I know how frustrating it is to get thrown out early, and I honestly wouldn’t have voted for you if RoL hadn’t spotted that post.
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EBWODP: Actually I could be convinced to vote SouthRawrea aswell.
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On December 01 2010 16:12 kingjames01 wrote:I had a plan to try and fill out our list, but I just asked DrH about it via PM and he said that my plan is too close to roleclaiming to be legal. Basically, my plan was for us to say whether or not our clue was in the list and if the guess about our role was correct or not. We would not say which clue nor would we be revealing what our actual role was. This was an attempt to reduce the amount of possible defenses that the mafia could try to use and also flesh out our list of roles. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote:
Sighhh
The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:39 orgolove wrote:
I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important. I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay. If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned.
How bout this KJ:
On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role.
GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!)
I believe "The system is corrupt" was a clue. Dr.H then said (or at least meant to say) "I think I have given a clue for each role. This being a clue would certainly explain orgo.
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You are taking this way too far ghrur, and you are either being blindly stupid or scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 11:54 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells. ## Unvote Coag
## Vote AidnaiOn December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so. Really necessary though? To address ghrur: Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
I am currently in 3 games of mafia, in the last 3 weeks of my college semester, and I am a varsity athlete, so excuse me if people post things that I agree with before I can post them. Speculative topics are just that, completely speculative, and I believe a lot of the speculation that has been made is correct, so I agree with it.
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly
This is because in Salem, I know facts. In Sengoku, I know facts. I can be confident about the facts I know, and can convey this confidence. This is a game that has just started and everyone is just speculating. I cannot be sure if any of my speculations are correct, so I don't post them in a definite manner.
Okay, I'm good with that. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:51 deconduo wrote:On December 01 2010 08:03 ghrur wrote:On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:##Vote GhrurGhrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction. His posts:On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right? rules I know, I know. On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Okay? On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later. How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure?On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that. Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> What? Ghrur explain this. Sure, I'll explain. Here's my thoughts on Decond so far. I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do. + Show Spoiler +Alright, RoL posted.
##Unvote RebirthOfLegend
Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming.
Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond.
Other Decond Stuff:
Doesn't wanna vote
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?
Aidnai:
Post without much information
Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion?
Not really discussing, asking others to discuss
Against town circle
Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia
Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed
Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend
Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write: On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote:
Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond? So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs. You're right. That was indeed a pretty useless post except that I voted for someone and they did help contribute afterwards. I'm not gonna deny it though, it was a worthless post aside from the vote. I maintain that it's just general day 1 chat though. =/ Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post. The end. Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Why is it not done by ANYONE except caller in sengoku then? That too is a majority lynch game. Still, I suppose you're right on this one. I've never played a majority vote game like this one before where day ends once we get a majority, so I'll concede the point. However, I wasn't taking a dig at you. I was complimenting you. I'm sorry if it sounded like a dig. Show nested quote +Other points: + Show Spoiler +
Doesn't wanna vote
Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead.
Why is this specific to majority lynch games? It could happen for all mafia games, especially those with a close vote and time-based days. You voted relatively early on in Salem, and then even experimented with Kenpachi near the end. You could've killed him when you woke up too with the deadline if you weren't watching. Except not. I know exactly when the day would end in salem. I know that if I go to sleep, there will still be x hours left when I wake up to read over what has happened, and to change my vote. In this game, the day can end at ANY time. With so few players, each vote is vital, and not to be fucked around with. It takes only 5 townies to be wrong to lynch a townie (+3 maf) and this will get worse as the game goes on. If I place a vote frivolously then it only takes 4. With possibly vote manip roles, that could be down to 3 or 2. While this is somewhat unreasonable, its still a possibility.Furthermore, why're you afraid to vote on Day 1 when it was early in the game? You said, Guess what? YOU NEVER DID THAT. Interesting contradiction huh? Scum much? Pressure does not mean voting. Also read down.Show nested quote +"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS That doesn't make it any less wishy-washy. Guess what heuristic Ver used in his Mafia XXX write up to help determine mafia? Wishy-washiness. Furthermore, you're exaggerating my argument. I never stated in any way that you had to know what the roles do or anything. I'm just saying you're being way too non-assertive about your theories, like you don't want to put them out there. So please, almighty scholar, tell me how to give a suggestion on how the clues work without using the words possibly/maybe/could/theory/assumption/implies/probably etc. I'd loooooooove to hear it. Oh also, please show me where you contributed by helping analyse the clues.Show nested quote +Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?
Much more useful information than you have posted. Except... it wasn't. It was equally useless in my eyes. So you admit you haven't contributed, and yet are trying to make a case for someone being mafia because they haven't contributed.Show nested quote +The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously.
I'll take your word on that. If not though, I hope you understand that it'll be a HUGE FoS on you. In fact, a palm of suspicion. Show nested quote +Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made.
FoS ghrur Too bad, I'm just hunting scum. If I need to be aggressive, which I've found out that I do, then I'll do it. Also, I'm not scum. I'm blue. ^_^ No, a case is definitely to be made here. Notice this. Throughout this WHOLE post accusing me, not once has he denied that he is INDEED mafia! Furthermore, he doesn't disagree with the fact that he has posted one liners, he just says I don't contribute. Also, [b]note the interesting contradiction about him and putting pressure on lurkers. Interesting how he doesn't follow his own advice, no? Couple that with this idea: Show nested quote +This is the type of gem to look for!! Note the blatant contradiction in logic, the excuse of adhering to some mysterious 'principle' despite saying specifically how good of a candidate YM is. Guess what, that was by Ver. Notice the similarities yet? He says put pressure on a lurker and see how they respond. HE DOESN'T DO IT. Why? Because of the principle "Voting must be taken seriously."... but it's day 1? And he was still active during that time? Finally, notice once more, he says we don't know what roles there are. I agree with that. However, that only supports my point that a "roleclaim" by a mafia member would only be beneficial to them because THEY have the information, THEY can make up any role (like pandain did), and THEY can lead us astray. It only helps them to roleclaim so early when we have little to no information and confuse us. Decond never disagrees with this. Sorry decond, despite your attacks, the contradictions are there. I understand I haven't been helpful yet to you, town, especially not to pandain's standards, but I'm trying here. Just look at these contradictions. Those aren't made up, they're staring you in the face. Suspect Decond. Once again, made up case where there is none. Where have I contradicted myself? I suggested to put pressure on lurkers, but hey, what lurkers? There are these things called timezones. Voting someone when they are asleep doesn't do anything. Not posting in 24 hours is lurking, but that didn't happen for anyone. We don't really have any lurkers, as everyone has either posted sufficiently or been switched out.
YOU have no idea what my role is. I decided that it helps town to know my role rather than have it hidden, and YOU can't say otherwise.
I don't know why you've decided to try and push on me, but its certainly a big change from how you acted in salem. This leads me to believe you are just trying too hard and failing rather than being mafia. You've got the wrong person, get over it.
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Oh, and hurr durr I deny being mafia.
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doch mafia games make me rage so bad.
YOU CAN TAKE YOUR ROLE RIDDLES AND KICK ROCKS BUDDY.
he already said hes rooting for scum victory. nothing he says can be trusted by town.
##vote DoctorHelvetica
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Alright I decided to actually play instead of just leaving. With RoL gone, perhaps I can actually convince you that aidnai has nothing on him.
Again, someone post why aidnai is scum. I have not seen a single good reason. A SINGLE GOOD REASON why we should lynch him. And he already has 6 votes on him.
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13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01
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why are you voteing kingjames???
no one has voted him yet
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opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously
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On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01
I don't see why you are so against discussing blue roles. It is necessary for town to gather all the information we can. Right now, the only information we can get is through speculation of these clues, that is all Dr.H has given us.
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On December 02 2010 01:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01 I don't see why you are so against discussing blue roles. It is necessary for town to gather all the information we can. Right now, the only information we can get is through speculation of these clues, that is all Dr.H has given us.
It's faulty discussion. We have no proof about any role in the game. What is my role? My role is the "God." I have the power to decide what is restricted during the day phase of each day, and to possibly change it.
Tell me you would have guessed that as a role.
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On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously
Last vote is Deconduo (Glasse isn't in the game >_<)
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On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously
Voting rules:
1. Voting is to be done in this thread.
2. Please vote in the following format, to make it easier for everyone to read: [Vote]##Korynne. While the bolding in itself is not necessarily needed, it makes it easier on everybody's eyes. Please bold. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update votes whenever I get the chance.
3. You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.
4. You may not vote for yourself.
Technically, no. I've never had to "unvote." And I never have "Unvoted" (except maybe once in Sengoku).
I will probably be voting South, to be honest. Actually, I will be. He's posted 4 times. He isn't here to even discuss, and South knows how to play.
I don't like the blue role discussion, because it's meaningless. You can guess all day long, but don't make that the center of discussion. We should be pressuring folks.
Checking this later.
How long is the day going to be? I didn't see when it started/ends. Lol, my bad guys.
Damn though, I gotta go get this home work fucking done, so I'll be around/afk/checking periodically.
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It's majority lynching, so it won't end if people keep switching. I guess I understand Decon not voting better if he is the hammer, but really that means we where one vote away from lynch. Sigh.
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What the heck guys. It's like I'm not actually here and people don't actually respond to my pointing out that people are voting aidnai for no reason.
I want everyone who voted Aidnai to give reasons why they did, or immediate FoS on them(even more so, at least)
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And why was this post ignored?
On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I am really lazy to actually do an analysis but its a bunch of classic mafia tells. I will show you. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy... A lot of mafia in thread to feign activity pose questions relating to the rules of the thread, it shows activity and is kind of constructive. The biggest thing though is saying how its impossible/hard for town. Its like hes trying to show hes part of the town, I think its generally done subconsciously by mafia because it seems like the right thing to say when it only seems like a townie thing to say from a mafia perspective. I know I have done that tell before in games, but have not been called out on it. Actually in insane mafia I did it when I attacked the legitimacy of DrH claiming he was "100% town" when that guilty medic died who if he protects mafia dies. I attacked the role and the rules, not him or his claim. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.
Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_- Fluff post, "I hope I don't get killed night one again" is something the mafia says a lot, then the next day "yay I am not dead" you know why? Because they were killing people the night before lawl. Its just classic zero content posting that paints a red picture. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one? I like to call this the grand plan post, its the one I actually quoted while voting for him. Its basically "Alright guys we need to do this that and whatever the fuck else to do to win. Point A Point B Point C Remember behavioral analysis is important yadayada yada. So basically you made a huge post saying nothing except telling us to be productive? Mafia players like to do this because it makes it look like they are focusing on the big picture for the town, even though they are virtually saying nothing. In a normal game this is less of a tell on day one, but in a crazy game like this there is ALWAYS more to talk about then some stupid "grand plan" in this game he could talk about the weird day post and strange rules, his suspicions, then go into his rant, but he just says nothing. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:56 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 10:18 deconduo wrote:
Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep. On November 30 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The man in the black hood found his axe. lol...looks like something crazy might happen anyway! But, I agree with deconduo. Not enough posts yet :/ It is pretty early in the game, but RoL must be active 'cause he's modding the other game right? Where you at RoL? On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
It seems like there would have to be two lovers to start with, right? so is there a third now? Also, the axeman is definitely looking sinister. Almost certainly a mafia KP role of some sort, only question is: is it one/limited time use or nightly? Rehashing old points kind of, focus on the previous posts. Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.
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On December 02 2010 02:02 Pandain wrote:
What the heck guys. It's like I'm not actually here and people don't actually respond to my pointing out that people are voting aidnai for no reason.
I want everyone who voted Aidnai to give reasons why they did, or immediate FoS on them(even more so, at least)
I voted Aidnai because RoL made some logical points that I haven't really seen towards anyone else's lynch. I am definitely open to ideas. Who would you suggest to lynch Pandain?
## unvote Aidnai
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On December 02 2010 02:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:And why was this post ignored? Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I am really lazy to actually do an analysis but its a bunch of classic mafia tells. I will show you. On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy... A lot of mafia in thread to feign activity pose questions relating to the rules of the thread, it shows activity and is kind of constructive. The biggest thing though is saying how its impossible/hard for town. Its like hes trying to show hes part of the town, I think its generally done subconsciously by mafia because it seems like the right thing to say when it only seems like a townie thing to say from a mafia perspective. I know I have done that tell before in games, but have not been called out on it. Actually in insane mafia I did it when I attacked the legitimacy of DrH claiming he was "100% town" when that guilty medic died who if he protects mafia dies. I attacked the role and the rules, not him or his claim. On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.
Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_- Fluff post, "I hope I don't get killed night one again" is something the mafia says a lot, then the next day "yay I am not dead" you know why? Because they were killing people the night before lawl. Its just classic zero content posting that paints a red picture. On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one? I like to call this the grand plan post, its the one I actually quoted while voting for him. Its basically "Alright guys we need to do this that and whatever the fuck else to do to win. Point A Point B Point C Remember behavioral analysis is important yadayada yada. So basically you made a huge post saying nothing except telling us to be productive? Mafia players like to do this because it makes it look like they are focusing on the big picture for the town, even though they are virtually saying nothing. In a normal game this is less of a tell on day one, but in a crazy game like this there is ALWAYS more to talk about then some stupid "grand plan" in this game he could talk about the weird day post and strange rules, his suspicions, then go into his rant, but he just says nothing. On November 30 2010 10:56 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 10:18 deconduo wrote:
Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep. On November 30 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The man in the black hood found his axe. lol...looks like something crazy might happen anyway! But, I agree with deconduo. Not enough posts yet :/ It is pretty early in the game, but RoL must be active 'cause he's modding the other game right? Where you at RoL? On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
It seems like there would have to be two lovers to start with, right? so is there a third now? Also, the axeman is definitely looking sinister. Almost certainly a mafia KP role of some sort, only question is: is it one/limited time use or nightly? Rehashing old points kind of, focus on the previous posts. Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.
It wasn't ignored at all. It is the reason I voted Aidnai. But if you want to have discussion and pressure players, then all for it, let's have a discussion.
Also, you're claim at "God" (i'm assuming is a false claim, because Doc would smite you) is null. Doc has given us clues to the roles, so discussing them is not completely meaningless, as you seem to think it is.
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To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain.
##Unvote Aidnai
God, it's gonna take a while to end the day.
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I've already explained why RoL is wrong.
Those aren't scum tells. Saying you hope you aren't killed does not indicate whether you are scum.
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Barundar: + Show Spoiler + Secondly I initially voted for Aidnai, because I saw a post which basically repeated itself "no town circles, no town circles" and "discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam", which obviously is a contradiction in itself.
However my vote was by no means final, and I simply wanted his explanation. Instead we saw what I consider an attempt to blame fishball, and a ton of spam. This is what I consider the mafia panic response. If mafia had played it cool, my doubts would have been easily dismissed, and from what I can guess since he was weary as well, so would Aeres’. Aidnai’s defence came very late, and while it is decent, it came after the panic response.
Node: + Show Spoiler + I am very, very confident that Fishball isn't mafia. I'd be willing to bet my life in this game that orgolove's vote being removed is a sign that mafia is trying to frame him. As for not moving his vote off RoL, come on, surely everyone realizes there's no way scum would waste a vote like that in such a small majority lynch game -- it's pretty clear RoL/~OpZ~ isn't going to get lynched. I'm thinking that mafia is just doing their damndest to bandwagon an inactive townie.
I intend to follow through with RoL's plan, and am also willing to offer myself up for a lynch in the event that this doesn't work out.
##Vote aidnai
Jcarlsoniv: + Show Spoiler + RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells.
## Unvote Coag
## Vote Aidnai
Ghrur: + Show Spoiler + Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai
In all honestly I don’t like that reason either.
RoL: + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:I am really lazy to actually do an analysis but its a bunch of classic mafia tells. I will show you. On November 30 2010 06:53 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 06:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The day will end when majority lynch has been reached. For the day to end a single person must have 8 votes on them to be lynched. The day begins now. How are we supposed to muster up 8 votes when there's three mafia? Seems a little crazy... A lot of mafia in thread to feign activity pose questions relating to the rules of the thread, it shows activity and is kind of constructive. The biggest thing though is saying how its impossible/hard for town. Its like hes trying to show hes part of the town, I think its generally done subconsciously by mafia because it seems like the right thing to say when it only seems like a townie thing to say from a mafia perspective. I know I have done that tell before in games, but have not been called out on it. Actually in insane mafia I did it when I attacked the legitimacy of DrH claiming he was "100% town" when that guilty medic died who if he protects mafia dies. I attacked the role and the rules, not him or his claim. On November 30 2010 06:59 aidnai wrote:
Oh jeez nevermind, I seem a little crazy... I thought there was only 9 townies (12 total)... yet another reading comprehension fail.
Anyway, gl everyone, hope I don't get killed night one again -_- Fluff post, "I hope I don't get killed night one again" is something the mafia says a lot, then the next day "yay I am not dead" you know why? Because they were killing people the night before lawl. Its just classic zero content posting that paints a red picture. On November 30 2010 08:24 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. Were your plans for this game similar to your plans for salem mafia? Ok, seriously though, we have so little information (no role list, no mayor, no roleclaiming)...Obviously number 1 priority is scumhunting, not some crazy town circle or whatever. But what do we talk about? There has to be some kind of discussion going to reveal scuminess. If everyone is just spamming, we'll never get anywhere. Personally, I think roleclaiming and forming a town circle should not be our focus right now. A town circle may form in a few days around a DT once some checks have been performed (assuming we have a DT). But to debate about it day 1 is silly, and if someone tries to take over the town and put themselves at the center of the town circle etc day 1, I'd be VERY suspicious of them. So, anyone else have thoughts on discussion points for day one? I like to call this the grand plan post, its the one I actually quoted while voting for him. Its basically "Alright guys we need to do this that and whatever the fuck else to do to win. Point A Point B Point C Remember behavioral analysis is important yadayada yada. So basically you made a huge post saying nothing except telling us to be productive? Mafia players like to do this because it makes it look like they are focusing on the big picture for the town, even though they are virtually saying nothing. In a normal game this is less of a tell on day one, but in a crazy game like this there is ALWAYS more to talk about then some stupid "grand plan" in this game he could talk about the weird day post and strange rules, his suspicions, then go into his rant, but he just says nothing. On November 30 2010 10:56 aidnai wrote:On November 30 2010 10:18 deconduo wrote:
Not really enough posts to do an analysis or anything, so I think I'll go to bed. Hopefully nothing crazy happens while I sleep. On November 30 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The man in the black hood found his axe. lol...looks like something crazy might happen anyway! But, I agree with deconduo. Not enough posts yet :/ It is pretty early in the game, but RoL must be active 'cause he's modding the other game right? Where you at RoL? On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
It seems like there would have to be two lovers to start with, right? so is there a third now? Also, the axeman is definitely looking sinister. Almost certainly a mafia KP role of some sort, only question is: is it one/limited time use or nightly? Rehashing old points kind of, focus on the previous posts. Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.
Really, how can you miss this post? You even commented on it.
Aeres: + Show Spoiler + RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative.
##Vote Aidnai
I find it suspicious that you can’t fail to read any of these posts by yourself, while you are completely certain of Aidnai.
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On December 02 2010 02:02 Pandain wrote:
What the heck guys. It's like I'm not actually here and people don't actually respond to my pointing out that people are voting aidnai for no reason.
I want everyone who voted Aidnai to give reasons why they did, or immediate FoS on them(even more so, at least)
Fuck your FOS
read the damn thread instead of throwing around wild accusations and threatening everyone with your bullshit
##vote Pandain
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I wanted to vote for annul, and so I did.
##Unvote RebirthOfLeGenD
##Vote: annul
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hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever.
seriously how is there a better target than this
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I did have one other explanation: I wanted to.
La la la la La~
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yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it.
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Totally dude. We should just kill them all.
The world would be a better place.
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On December 01 2010 22:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote:
Sighhh
The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc. How bout this KJ: I believe "The system is corrupt" was a clue. Dr.H then said (or at least meant to say) "I think I have given a clue for each role. This being a clue would certainly explain orgo.
On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens.
So, the word "corrupt" appears in both the PM and in DrH's clue. That cannot be a coincidence so we've discovered the Vote Nullifier.
The Vote Nullifier is DoctorHelvetica. As the mod, he is aligned with all colours and with none. He probably chooses a random voter and loses their vote as orgolove has described.
However, we cannot discount the fact that he says "The system is corrupt" and "I'm rooting for mafia" in the same post.
So, here's an updated list of roles:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Ability activated upon death.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Mason
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Ability to end day early?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Zombie
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?
I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue.
The system is corrupt. (16)
The jerk Riddler/Nullifier
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Now I'm starting to think we should lynch SouthRawrea
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Well, if we're going to start discussing Southrawrea, I'll repost my comments on him.
On December 01 2010 08:19 kingjames01 wrote:I've been going through each person's posts looking for suspicious activity or lack of activity. SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:07 SouthRawrea wrote:
Abstains aloud?
[Vote]##Coagulation Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:06 SouthRawrea wrote:
Black hood guy-> Mason?
Axe -> George Washington?
George Washington = Mason Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 07:10 SouthRawrea wrote:No please do split up your votes Main points: - NO content.
- Vote without an accompanying explanation.
- Expresses satisfaction with lack of town coordination. (I hope this one is a joke.)
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I do not have a role in this game, the riddler thing was just a joke
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On December 02 2010 04:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I do not have a role in this game, the riddler thing was just a joke
No jokes allowed!!
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On December 02 2010 05:09 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 04:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I do not have a role in this game, the riddler thing was just a joke No jokes allowed!!
your playstyle is a joke
ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
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On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest.
shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win.
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ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap
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On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win.
Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation?
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Because I'm a ball, and I roll.
You cannot stop the ball.
I'll just roll over you.
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On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation?
I have to admit I laughed at this one, lol.
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im pretty sure that fishballs role requires him to get lynched.
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On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote:
ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap
I'm not clear on the Fishball issue. Can you elaborate?
I know that there was a vote switched off of him but I think that was a random action by DrH.
I don't like the reasons that he gives for things, "I want to", but that doesn't make him scum. What else did I miss?
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One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid.
Which means he has a different agenda.
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I'm as sure as I can be on Aidnai, and Pandains defence into silence when called out, only confirms him to me.
Fishballs posts are pretty spammy and random, and SouthRawrea is a total goner, so they are both valuable targets. If town can’t decide on anything I could vote for them, but will you please have a look at RoL’s analyse of Aidnai’s posts first?
Bedtime.
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Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly.
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On December 02 2010 05:27 Coagulation wrote:
im pretty sure that fishballs role requires him to get lynched.
Doc said there are no village idiot roles
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On December 02 2010 05:33 Barundar wrote:
I'm as sure as I can be on Aidnai, and Pandains defence into silence when called out, only confirms him to me.
Fishballs posts are pretty spammy and random, and SouthRawrea is a total goner, so they are both valuable targets. If town can’t decide on anything I could vote for them, but will you please have a look at RoL’s analyse of Aidnai’s posts first?
Bedtime.
In your post, you've just named 3 suspects.
Spammy and random posts doesn't make someone mafia. Refer to Glasse, and Coagulation's recent games for examples. Until something more substantial is revealed about Fishball you cannot conclude that he is mafia.
You could take RoL's analysis of aidnai and replace his name with most of the other players in this game and the conclusion would be the same. Pandain is just trying to remind everyone of that fact. It could have easily been you Barundar that RoL chose. Would you then be as sure as could be?
SouthRawrea is inactive but it doesn't mean that he is mafia. However, if he is, we need to put pressure on him so that he has a chance to slip up. It is unfair that the rest of us are putting in an investment into a game where one of the players does not participate. This is especially true for a game where Day phases do not change without a majority vote.
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i think he was implying that there are no roles that end the game if you get lynched.
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch is different.
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the fishball issue is as follows:
On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball
then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing
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On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch
wat
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On December 02 2010 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:27 Coagulation wrote:
im pretty sure that fishballs role requires him to get lynched. Doc said there are no village idiot roles
On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
i think he was implying that there are no roles that end the game if you get lynched.
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch is different.
So, Fishball is the spirit clue then? Interesting. Well, if he wants to get lynched, he needs to give us a really good reason to waste it on him. We should be using our lynches on mafia.
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I don't want to get lynched.
NOOOooo...
Hey, experimental game, change of ways for me to play the game.
Seeing how everyone reacts and how they read "my play" is an interesting study.
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LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB!
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have you read the thread yet lsb?
any hunches on possible scum?
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Note: I don't have my Role PM yet.
Stealing this from Kingjames01
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (0)
Ability that gets realized later, probably one of the doctors
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (1)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (2)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (3)
Executioner or something?
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (4,5)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (6)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (7,8)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (9)
Ability to end day early? Possibly Mafia
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (10)
Speeder? Criminal? IE mafia?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (11)
Zombie
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (12, 13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though...
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On December 02 2010 06:35 Coagulation wrote:
have you read the thread yet lsb?
any hunches on possible scum?
I want my role first =P
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OOPs
This is my new list
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (0)
Ability that gets realized later, probably one of the doctors
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (1,2)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (3)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (4)
Executioner or something?
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (5,6)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (7)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (8,9)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (10)
Ability to end day early? Possibly Mafia
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (11)
Speeder? Criminal? IE mafia?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (12)
Zombie
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
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On November 30 2010 12:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
My vote on Aidnai wasn't a joke, I think that post and the rest of his that I read are scum tells, calling for activity, posting a fluff "aright guys lets be productive/analyze, etc" post, calling for me to not be inactive like 5 minutes into the game without being active.
He is legitimately a good choice right now and I want us to kill Aidnai.
This isn't a scum tell.
This is just newcomers, they are still full of hope and activity, and haven't been cynicalized by all the sheep and inactives here.
Aidnai seems to honestly be trying to encourage activity. This is always a good thing.
At the same time though, I don't know if RoL is trying to get Aidnai killed because it benefits him. What if Aidnai is one of the lovers? (The mafia one). RoL could easily be 'confirmed' and he could take out a cop.
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On December 02 2010 06:36 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:35 Coagulation wrote:
have you read the thread yet lsb?
any hunches on possible scum? I want my role first =P
great well i hope your not given a scum role.
town can use you
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On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us...
When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this:
On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~!
When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this:
On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly.
On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB!
These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it.
Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending?
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All right.
A few things to notice
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On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending?
I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets.
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On December 02 2010 06:54 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending? I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets.
So are you the hobo?
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Now that I think about it, deconuo is probably a lover with someone he dislikes...
Anyways, lovers come in pairs of one mafia, one town right? Not a bad tradeoff
##Vote:Deconduo
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On December 02 2010 06:59 LSB wrote:
Now that I think about it, deconuo is probably a lover with someone he dislikes...
Anyways, lovers come in pairs of one mafia, one town right? Not a bad tradeoff
##Vote:Deconduo
I'm not a lover.
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Well I'm a lover.
I love many things.
I'm a merry person.
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Quick tally, I think its right:
Aidnai - 3
Voters: Barundar, ghrur, node
Coagulation - 2
Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea
Fishball - 2
Voters: annul, aidnai
Annul - 1
Voters: Fishball,
Deconduo - 1
Voters: LSB
orgolove - 1
Voters: kingjames
kingjames - 1
Voters: opz
Not voting: deconduo, jcarl, aeres, coag
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Oh, I must have forgotten to change my vote!
##Unvote orgolove
##Vote Southrawrea
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southrawrea seems to be lurking alot and contributing nothing..
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Three Mafia in the game.
My picks for the moment!
- annul
- SouthRawrea
- ?????
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Hi LSB!
I am definitely in favor of pressuring SouthRawrea to talk, I don't like how he has been so quiet. And, as KJ said, it sucks having someone now participate in a game where you need majority lynch.
##vote SouthRawrea
Will town learn anything from the lynch though? We will learn his role, that's for sure, which could give us some insight on what is happening in this game. At the very least though, I would like to move the game forward, being stuck on Day 1 is like watching the movie Groundhog Day...
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##Vote SouthRawrea
Hope I'm right.
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For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said.
##Vote SouthRawrea
I just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =(
+ Show Spoiler +It's shear humiliation! *rimshot*
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Night 1
And as the town bickered, the man in the black hood dragged SouthRawrea away to the guillotine. Before anyone could speak, SouthRawrea the Psychic was killed.
Psychic - You can sense how many mafia voted for each player that is lynched. You win when the town wins.
One townie goes downie. Teehee. The mafia laughed and snickered. The man in the black hood ran away cause the town got all mad and stuff.
So like you guys can totally roleclaim now if you want. But remember there is no quoting role PM's so anyone could be making it all up!
Teehee!
The night has begun. In roughly 24 hours the day will begin. By roughly 24 hours I mean whenever I get home tomorrow which will probably be more than 24 hours from now.
Final Vote Tally:
Aidnai - 3
Voters: Barundar, ghrur, node
Coagulation - 2
Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea
Fishball - 2
Voters: annul, aidnai
Annul - 1
Voters: Fishball,
Deconduo - 1
Voters: LSB
SouthRawrea - 4
Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv, deconduo, coagulation
kingjames - 1
Voters: opz
The day ended before Aeres voted, he just ninja'd me.
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Damnit
I fail
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That was a baad joke, you should feel very sheepish!
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Oh, and I'm the guy in the black hood
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So, does this mean deconduo is the "hammer"?
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Hmmm...so it ended before majority vote.
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Anyway, my roleclaim is this:
I can only vote if my vote hammers.
However I can kill someone that has half the required votes at any time. This can't be used on consecutive days. Kind of like a gimped day vig.
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SEND IN YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS BITCHES
I KNOW YOU HAVE THEM
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On December 02 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
SEND IN YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS BITCHES
I KNOW YOU HAVE THEM
Kill: Doctor Helvetica
(SR, guy with brains on his mind? Or maybe third eye?)
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I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"?
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On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"?
If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power.
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After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol.
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On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power.
Wait, so did you use your power?
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On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power?
Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea.
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On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town.
From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night.
Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight?
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On December 02 2010 11:20 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town. From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night. Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight?
I was the only one who stuck with Aidnai, and kept arguing for him after RoL left. Makes me an obvious target, like in Salem mafia. Also I claim detective (of a sort).
I'm dissapointed you didn
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grr enter. Wish you had hammered Aidnai, but atleast we lynched a lurker.
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On December 02 2010 12:06 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 11:20 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town. From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night. Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight? I was the only one who stuck with Aidnai, and kept arguing for him after RoL left. Makes me an obvious target, like in Salem mafia. Also I claim detective (of a sort). I'm dissapointed you didn
This assumes that you were right. If you were wrong, then you wouldn't be 'an obvious target.'
As a detective, though, you are definitely entitled to protection. From the clues however, we've deduced that one detective is sane and one is not. We need to coordinate a plan so that we can trust your checks.
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Indeed, my sanity is my first priority.
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You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work?
- The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
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I think it's risky to have both detectives claim night one. If one dies the other can still function. The pharmacists may need to choose their target during day (handing out medicine), which is why I asked during day.
Other detective is welcome to check me ofc, if I get sniped he might get a read on the attacker
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On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this:
Mafia has someone to frame people with.
One of them is paranoid, not insane.
One of them is insane and the other is paranoid.
We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT.
But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/
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Firstly, Medic should protect Barundar
There's two ways to approach this
- Have everyone do their own thing, and piece together the information afterwards. This does work quiet well, and gets the most intel
- Have Barundar check deconduo. Or someone else we probably think is confirmed. They will be able to deduce their sanity. However, this does waste a night action. BUT if the DT does indeed die, we can get a definitive answer on deconduo. There is a few problems as ghrur pointed out. But maybe not, and Barundar posts his results on deconduo. And the other DT can check out the information he gets from deconduo
Oh yeah, what if there isn't two dts? SR's role sounded like he was one of the people with a third eye.
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On December 02 2010 12:59 LSB wrote:Firstly, Medic should protect Barundar There's two ways to approach this - Have everyone do their own thing, and piece together the information afterwards. This does work quiet well, and gets the most intel
- Have Barundar check deconduo. Or someone else we probably think is confirmed. They will be able to deduce their sanity. However, this does waste a night action. BUT if the DT does indeed die, we can get a definitive answer on deconduo. There is a few problems as ghrur pointed out. But maybe not, and Barundar posts his results on deconduo. And the other DT can check out the information he gets from deconduo
Oh yeah, what if there isn't two dts? SR's role sounded like he was one of the people with a third eye.
I think checking deconduo is a good plan. It's not a waste of a night action if we learn that we can trust our checks. My point again is that we do not have Medics. We have Pharmacists or at best Nerfed Medics. I'm not even sure how this role is supposed to work.
Actually, I think SR corresponds to this clue: "A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why."
He was a psychic so we could read people's minds.
Barundar has already hinted that he's a DT (or some sort). So, I don't think the other person in the clue is a Psychic.
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I have a nerfed dt role i basically get to check one player every night however I dont get the results
the results are whispered to a random player and i dont know who receives it.
gayest shit ever.
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On November 30 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote:
My role relies 100% on me running a town circle. DocH did this on purpose I swear..
On December 02 2010 13:24 Coagulation wrote:
I have a nerfed dt role i basically get to check one player every night however I dont get the results
the results are whispered to a random player and i dont know who receives it.
gayest shit ever.
You said earlier your role requires that you run a town circle. I don't think that it does. We just have to think up a good way to get the most use out of your role.
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Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
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On December 02 2010 13:46 kingjames01 wrote:
Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch.
I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass.
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On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 13:46 kingjames01 wrote:
Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass.
I was just thinking that we should have the spirit roleclaim so we could validate our DTs. =) But your plan is better because I was thinking we would use both DTs for this.
Okay! So, we could have one of our DTs check jcarlsoniv. The next day we lynch him. That will validate our DTs and we can continue from there. Even though we will lose 1 vote, we'll still have his voice AND gain the power of 2 DT's.
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what will stop jcarlsoniv from turning red when he dies?
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On December 02 2010 16:08 Barundar wrote:
what will stop jcarlsoniv from turning red when he dies?
I won't. My role isn't too special. I will still be able to talk to you guys, but I will be limited in how much per cycle period.
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On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol.
Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion".
Just throwing it out there and stirring it up.
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On December 02 2010 23:25 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion". Just throwing it out there and stirring it up.
Insanely overpowered mafia role then. It would essentially mean that town can only lynch a mafia every second day. And why would I claim it. I send in the execution to Dr.H and it happens anonymously, hence my reason for claiming. It helps town to know who I am so as not to cause confusion and chaos.
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I like overpowered roles. Don't you like overpowered roles?
I asked for Rambo with 10 KP and immune to everything, but DH said that role was stupid.
I died a little inside.
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Deconduo's role seems more town-oriented to me. In a game like this where mafia has as much power as they do over the vote, it would be ridiculous to essentially hand the lynch to them. This gives the town an opportunity to end the freakin' day when they can't overcome the mafia influence on the lynch.
I wish you hadn't roleclaimed. :/ Your role is too powerful to die night 1.
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On December 03 2010 00:18 Node wrote:
Deconduo's role seems more town-oriented to me. In a game like this where mafia has as much power as they do over the vote, it would be ridiculous to essentially hand the lynch to them. This gives the town an opportunity to end the freakin' day when they can't overcome the mafia influence on the lynch.
I wish you hadn't roleclaimed. :/ Your role is too powerful to die night 1.
I may have something up my sleeve
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At the risk of looking stupid when night post hits, it makes sense to have a mafia executioner to counterweight the majority vote system. It is harder for mafia to win with a sudden vote switch when half the players needs to vote.
Decon, could you explain why you decided to execute SR as soon as you had the chance, and not Aidnai? You kept your hand over him.
Aidnai defended Decon, so there is a possible link.
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On December 03 2010 00:21 Barundar wrote:
At the risk of looking stupid when night post hits, it makes sense to have a mafia executioner to counterweight the majority vote system. It is harder for mafia to win with a sudden vote switch when half the players needs to vote.
Decon, could you explain why you decided to execute SR as soon as you had the chance, and not Aidnai? You kept your hand over him.
Aidnai defended Decon, so there is a possible link.
I was suspicious of the bandwagon on aidai. Both in how quickly it formed and how quickly it disappeared. Nothing to do with the fact that he defended me (I didn't even see that tbh, can you link the post?)
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843
A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted:
Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles.
Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then?
If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate.
In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you?
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On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil
Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back"
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On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Show nested quote + Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you?
Yes I'm magical.
In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work".
Wait.
What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim?
Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared!
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On December 03 2010 01:33 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back"
This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post.
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On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared!
Fishball, you seem to be repeating yourself a lot. Are you feeling sick? Is it contagious?
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On December 03 2010 01:56 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! Fishball, you seem to be repeating yourself a lot. Are you feeling sick? Is it contagious?
Are you saying that Fishball's posts might be limited by some kind of infection role? As if he was delusional?
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On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:33 Barundar wrote:On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back" This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post.
When I read that clue, I actually thought the hammer was Red. After deconduo explained his ability, I think the role is really strong. Being able to end the day with your own personal lynch is probably something that DrH would deem too powerful for the mafia.
However, DrH said was that he was rooting for the mafia to win. If that is true, then why would he reveal deconduo's alignment and give us a free lynch? If deconduo was a mafia, and he knew that his clue was the only one given in Red, would he have been so willing to roleclaim?
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Guys, Never Roleclaim at night...
All it does is give the mafia information on who to take out.
We'll figure out stuff tomorrow.
+ Show Spoiler +Assuming I'm still alive.
Please don't kill me!
Please don't kill me!
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On December 03 2010 01:58 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:56 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! Fishball, you seem to be repeating yourself a lot. Are you feeling sick? Is it contagious? Are you saying that Fishball's posts might be limited by some kind of infection role? As if he was delusional?
No, he is saying I'm crazy.
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No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=)
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On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote:
No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=)
I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy.
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On December 03 2010 02:19 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote:
No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=) I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy.
Why do you refuse to believe that I do not think you are crazy? =)
Someone speculated that you were trying to get lynched since you were the spirit role. However, jcarlsoniv claimed that role. I don't have any explanation for your behaviour yet so I thought maybe you were forced to play this way because of your role.
You're acting like an innocent, yet repetitive child in a make-believe world.
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On December 03 2010 02:23 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:19 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote:
No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=) I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy. Why do you refuse to believe that I do not think you are crazy? =) Someone speculated that you were trying to get lynched since you were the spirit role. However, jcarlsoniv claimed that role. I don't have any explanation for your behaviour yet so I thought maybe you were forced to play this way because of your role. You're acting like an innocent, yet repetitive child in a make-believe world.
Can you direct me to the post where jcarlsoniv claimed?
I only have brief moments of free time here and there.
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Barundar, dude, you're barking up the wrong tree here. RoL was pressuring me based on some agenda and not actual hard evidence. The kind of 'scumtell' he pointed out is notoriously unreliable. Read my posts (there's not all that many of them) without assuming that I'm mafia, you'll see I'm actually quite pro-town. I tell town not to spam, I don't spam. I say we need analysis, i do analysis. I believe I have adequately defended myself, let's move on shall we?
Btw, why are we checking your sanity night one? do you think you'll survive night 2 to tell us anything? We'll find out if you're crazy when you die. You should do something useful every night you manage to stay alive.
hmm... I don't know what to say about the hammer thing. I'm not the evil that post referred to, I can roleclaim if I have to. But I will at least wait til daybreak. :p
On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:33 Barundar wrote:On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back" This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post.
btw, Deconduo never said he had to vote if there were 7 votes, he said he could only vote if there were already seven votes.
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One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn
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On December 03 2010 02:04 LSB wrote:Guys, Never Roleclaim at night... All it does is give the mafia information on who to take out. We'll figure out stuff tomorrow. + Show Spoiler +Assuming I'm still alive.
Please don't kill me!
Please don't kill me!
im not so worried about getting hit because if you think about it my role can essentially hurt town as much as help town.. its a 50/50 chance considering how much damage randoming a mafia to receive a medic rolecheck would cause town.
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On December 03 2010 02:40 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:23 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 02:19 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote:
No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=) I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy. Why do you refuse to believe that I do not think you are crazy? =) Someone speculated that you were trying to get lynched since you were the spirit role. However, jcarlsoniv claimed that role. I don't have any explanation for your behaviour yet so I thought maybe you were forced to play this way because of your role. You're acting like an innocent, yet repetitive child in a make-believe world. Can you direct me to the post where jcarlsoniv claimed? I only have brief moments of free time here and there.
His post is as follows:
On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 13:46 kingjames01 wrote:
Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass.
and can be found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=358&topic_id=172696
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On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn
I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer.
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"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early.
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ok fishball is yelling at me they're "hints" not "clues"
are you happy now
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fishball i have no idea what your "experimental" play style is trying to achieve
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going to work!
pm your night actions suckers!
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On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn
On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote:
I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer.
On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early.
Okay, so the axe hint is understandable. deconduo can end the day early. According to the OP, the hammer is supposed to refer to the last vote.
On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer".
These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer.
Also...
On December 03 2010 02:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
ok fishball is yelling at me they're "hints" not "clues"
are you happy now
Are you on irc with Fishball??? Or did he send you a PM?
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On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn
Alright, well if deconduo is the axe, he is striking early. He is able to end the day early with his lynch.
Which means the hammer strikes back. So a revenge role? Maybe if a mafia gets lynched, the hammer can kill someone right then?
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These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer.
OH that makes a lot of sense. And who was the last person to vote aidnai? It looks like Node. But Node voted after Dr.H said "and it almost struck evil" so I'm not so sure.
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On December 03 2010 02:43 aidnai wrote:Barundar, dude, you're barking up the wrong tree here. RoL was pressuring me based on some agenda and not actual hard evidence. The kind of 'scumtell' he pointed out is notoriously unreliable. Read my posts (there's not all that many of them) without assuming that I'm mafia, you'll see I'm actually quite pro-town. I tell town not to spam, I don't spam. I say we need analysis, i do analysis. I believe I have adequately defended myself, let's move on shall we? Btw, why are we checking your sanity night one? do you think you'll survive night 2 to tell us anything? We'll find out if you're crazy when you die. You should do something useful every night you manage to stay alive. hmm... I don't know what to say about the hammer thing. I'm not the evil that post referred to, I can roleclaim if I have to. But I will at least wait til daybreak. :p Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote:On December 03 2010 01:33 Barundar wrote:On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back" This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post. btw, Deconduo never said he had to vote if there were 7 votes, he said he could only vote if there were already seven votes.
Your first posts still comes across as the emptiest posts that tries to be useful.
As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted?
Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets.
As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student
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On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student
Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning.
Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well.
There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to.
Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists.
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On December 03 2010 03:03 Coagulation wrote:
fishball i have no idea what your "experimental" play style is trying to achieve
You don't need to.
It's more for myself
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hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3
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On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3
Leave your advertising out of this thread, please. You have a thread for your game already, so the information is available to anyone. Trying to bring attention to it here is essentially spamming the thread, and we've done enough of that.
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hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3
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btw any medics want to protect me plz feel free to do so..
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On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists.
I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true.
Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p
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On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p
If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch.
When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason.
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Jcarlson, your role is unable to do anything until you have died, correct?
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Ghrur watching you trample through suspects is making me see pink elephants. I'd rather save that for later, so we aren't under mafia threat?
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On December 03 2010 11:16 Node wrote:
Jcarlson, your role is unable to do anything until you have died, correct?
That is correct.
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if you have not sent a night action do so now
day post coming in maybe 30ish minutes
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I used to get excited waiting for the Day/Night posts... F5ing over and over until they appeared... Then I joined Sengoku.
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On December 03 2010 12:50 kingjames01 wrote:
I used to get excited waiting for the Day/Night posts... F5ing over and over until they appeared... Then I joined Sengoku.
I lol'd
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Day Two
Orgolove was found with gunshot wounds to the chest and shoulders in the parking lot of the mall. No one else died that night.
As the ambulance took him away, Orgolove got up and walked out the back of the speeding vehicle. After tumbling a great distance he got up and began walking the streets as an undead.
The next day has begun.
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Come fourth people, and tell us what you found!
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On December 03 2010 13:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day Two Orgolove was found with gunshot wounds to the chest and shoulders in the parking lot of the mall. No one else died that night. As the ambulance took him away, Orgolove got up and walked out the back of the speeding vehicle. After tumbling a great distance he got up and began walking the streets as an undead. The next day has begun.
Interesting. So it seems that Orgo was the zombie. I wonder what he will be able to do as a zombie.
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God damn typo.
Forth*
After more people speak up, I want to bring up two things.
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I want to make it clear any phrasing/words in the day posts from now are all flavor text. There are no more "clues" or "hints" anymore.
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How many KP does mafia have?
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Coag, Barudar, can you give me little seemingly unimportant details about your role?
Like how do you go about doing things? Do you follow someone? Do you have special glasses? Do yo go through someones stuff and look for things?
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On December 03 2010 13:24 Node wrote:
How many KP does mafia have?
who knoOooOoOooooOws
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason.
Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP
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On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP
I mean, as I said, if a DT checked me, and you guys want to lynch me, that will tell you if he's sane or not. If you trust I'm town, you can take my word for it, but if you don't completely trust me, then lynch me, although I will be limited in my posts if you do that.
But let's see what kind of information pops up before we do that.
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I guess we also have to be careful because we lose one vote by doing this.
However, losing a vote to gain confidence in our DTs is worth the sacrifice. There are only 3 mafia and 2 DTs will go a really long way in finding them.
Now, if they would just do us the honour of revealing what they've found out, I can stop checking the thread for the night.
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TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors.
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On December 03 2010 13:32 LSB wrote:
Coag, Barudar, can you give me little seemingly unimportant details about your role?
Like how do you go about doing things? Do you follow someone? Do you have special glasses? Do yo go through someones stuff and look for things?
I have a radar gun....
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ok scumtards thanks for not killing me.
so does anyone have any info on blue role night actions....
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Happy BD Coa. Who did you check?
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On December 03 2010 16:50 Barundar wrote:
Happy BD Coa. Who did you check?
im not giving the mafia any info yet.
someone needs to come forward tho.
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How can telling your target be of help to the mafia? You don't have the result. It’s just interesting for the rest of the town to know, if you picked a target to confirm your sanity or to scumhunt, and who it was.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Nope, I was a vet. Hi Fishball!
##Vote: Fishball
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On December 03 2010 17:02 Barundar wrote:
How can telling your target be of help to the mafia? You don't have the result. It’s just interesting for the rest of the town to know, if you picked a target to confirm your sanity or to scumhunt, and who it was.
because it will allow mafia to fake claim the info if they know who i targeted for rolecheck
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You got a point, thanks for pointing it out.
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Do not reveal who you checked until the person who received the notification posts the results. I'm in full support of sharing information, but I do not want the mafia to be able to manipulate the results.
Also, orgolove, we know you're a vet because you survived the night. Does being a zombie give you any extra powers? Also, why are you voting for Fishball?
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hes probably voting for fishball because if i recall correctly that was his main candidate he was pushing for lynch earlier.. and considering mafia targeted him for seemingly little reason.. he may be on the right track
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Okay, in my notes I wrote that his posting style is very strange. At first someone suggested he was trying to get lynched to get his abilities activated. I think that might have been you actually. Then jcarlsoniv claimed that role.
I suggested that he might have been forced to act the way he was due to his assigned role but he deflected that with some comments about being crazy.
There was also the incident about the vote on Fishball being nullified.
I think these statements make Fishball suspicious but not necessarily scum. We should put some pressure on him so that he is forced to explain his behaviour.
Also, I'm very interested to see what your DT check shows. At the moment, Barundar has said that he checked you, and "got a green result."
Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town?
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.
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On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.
Okay, I think that we should push Fishball into giving us a better defense. The way that he's been dodging the minimal pressure that we've put on him is not satisfactory.
Until Coagulation's DT check is revealed, my vote is going on Fishball.
##Vote Fishball.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
I really haven't been too active this game at all. Unless what I said hit the mark, the reds really didn't have any other reason to hit me.
On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business
[##]Vote Fishball
On November 30 2010 07:50 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business
[##]Vote Fishball
Why would you vote for me? Wait, why would you not vote for me? [##]Vote Fishball On November 30 2010 07:52 Fishball wrote:Haha, nevermind Just checked I can't vote for myself. So, [##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD
Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view.
Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role.
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Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town?
Both. Green and town. I would rather not have to quote the PM out of my fear of gods.
Also I got pharma protected last night. You guys are teh best <3. I didn't eat my pills though, so you can protect someone else next night.
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On December 03 2010 17:52 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town? Both. Green and town. I would rather not have to quote the PM out of my fear of gods. Also I got pharma protected last night. You guys are teh best <3. I didn't eat my pills though, so you can protect someone else next night.
Ah! So there are pills and not someone following you around trying to protect you. Yeah, I think it's worth remembering also, that the mafia targetted orgolove and left you and Coagulation alone.
So are you allowed to keep your pill then? If so, then that's one less player the pharmacists will have to keep safe tonight. We'll have to see how the day goes and what else is revealed before we make more plans but I have a few ideas.
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Well, that actually went better than i expected!
Apparently mafia only has 1 kp (which they wasted on a vet night one), unless our pharmacists actually stopped a hit. Our night-claiming DT's are both alive and it seems that barundar is the sane one...
I'm going back over orgolove's posts to try to see why he might have been hit... ideas so far:
- orgolove was going after fishball, so either mafia is trying to frame fishball (again) or save fishball (again). Either way, we will unfortunately need to discuss how to deal with fishball. He obviously will not respond to pressure, and I'm inclined to think he won't contribute much to town either. The goal of lynching is obviously killing scum, not apathetic or unhelpful (or 'crazy') townies, but when there's no way to tell them apart... i honestly wish fishball wasn't playing this way. It's simply impossible to make a read
- they hit orgolove for a 'sure' hit, and possibly to avoid other night roles (trackers/watchers etc.)... no reason to expect pharmacist protection. Too bad for them he's a vet lol. If this is the case, then his
- they had some reason to believe orgolove's role was dangerous to them.
Of these three possibilities, I think the first is most likely.
Here's fishball's posts since my last mini-analysis of him.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2010 04:53 Fishball wrote:
Huh? Coag is still on the list.
On December 01 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote:
Nevermind, I missed your first post above. On December 01 2010 15:09 Fishball wrote:lol, that's not how I play, more like how I choose to play. I'm currently trying to get gold on GT5 B-6 His response to my pressure was to completely ignore it, then blow off the defense ~opz~ offered for him. On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote:
I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints".
On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote:
I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning. On December 01 2010 15:50 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:42 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote:
I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints".
On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote:
I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning. Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted. Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases. Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia. Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash. I know the difference between the two (unless you think others are retarded), and that is not my point. Sure, a host can do whatever he wants; That's why I said "I personally think". On December 02 2010 02:35 Fishball wrote:
I wanted to vote for annul, and so I did.
##Unvote RebirthOfLeGenD
##Vote: annul On December 02 2010 02:43 Fishball wrote:
I did have one other explanation: I wanted to.
La la la la La~ On December 02 2010 03:06 Fishball wrote:
Totally dude. We should just kill them all.
The world would be a better place. On December 02 2010 04:20 Fishball wrote:
Now I'm starting to think we should lynch SouthRawrea On December 02 2010 05:25 Fishball wrote:
Because I'm a ball, and I roll.
You cannot stop the ball.
I'll just roll over you. On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote:
One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid.
Which means he has a different agenda. On December 02 2010 06:19 Fishball wrote:
I don't want to get lynched.
NOOOooo...
Hey, experimental game, change of ways for me to play the game.
Seeing how everyone reacts and how they read "my play" is an interesting study.
On December 02 2010 07:15 Fishball wrote:
Well I'm a lover.
I love many things.
I'm a merry person. On December 02 2010 08:36 Fishball wrote:
Three Mafia in the game.
My picks for the moment!
- annul
- SouthRawrea
- ????? On December 02 2010 23:25 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion". Just throwing it out there and stirring it up. This quote is significant because it is the only post i was able to find in which Fishball offered an idea that was relevant to the game. Unfortunately, his idea is that deconduo's axe role could be red, which would OBVIOUSLY be OP for mafia...basically, they would decide the lynch every other day. On December 02 2010 23:56 Fishball wrote:
I like overpowered roles. Don't you like overpowered roles?
I asked for Rambo with 10 KP and immune to everything, but DH said that role was stupid.
I died a little inside. On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! On December 03 2010 02:06 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:58 Aeres wrote:On December 03 2010 01:56 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! Fishball, you seem to be repeating yourself a lot. Are you feeling sick? Is it contagious? Are you saying that Fishball's posts might be limited by some kind of infection role? As if he was delusional? No, he is saying I'm crazy. On December 03 2010 02:19 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:11 kingjames01 wrote:
No, actually, I'm trying to figure out if Fishball fits this clue:
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
=) I refuse to believe that you do not think I'm crazy. On December 03 2010 03:54 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:03 Coagulation wrote:
fishball i have no idea what your "experimental" play style is trying to achieve You don't need to. It's more for myself On December 03 2010 13:09 Fishball wrote:
Come fourth people, and tell us what you found! On December 03 2010 13:10 Fishball wrote:
God damn typo.
Forth*
After more people speak up, I want to bring up two things.
I believe most of these speak for themselves, but I did comment on a couple stand-outs. For those of you unable to wade through all that, i offer the tl;dr version below.
+ Show Spoiler +
It occurred to me that since there are lovers in this game, fishball could be the town oriented lover. If we lynch him, we may get a mafia. Generally these roles are forbidden from roleclaiming or trying for a strategic modkill, so this role might help explain fishball's behavior. I'm not convinced on this idea though because of this post...
On December 02 2010 06:19 Fishball wrote:
I don't want to get lynched.
NOOOooo...
Hey, experimental game, change of ways for me to play the game.
Seeing how everyone reacts and how they read "my play" is an interesting study.
I'd love to hear any other thoughts on this, especially from fishball.
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Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 23:25 Fishball wrote:
Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion".
Just throwing it out there and stirring it up. This quote is significant because it is the only post i was able to find in which Fishball offered an idea that was relevant to the game. Unfortunately, his idea is that deconduo's axe role could be red, which would OBVIOUSLY be OP for mafia...basically, they would decide the lynch every other day.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Executioner
The Executioner may be either town or mafia, but is traditionally a mafia role.
Fishball does look like the best lynch candidate though.
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i dunno some thing about the way he is playing doesnt add up
i think if fishball was really mafia he would be pretty inclined to naturally act pro town to hide himself..
acting like he is now... it isnt scum play.. but at the exact same time... it sure as fuck aint pro town either..
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town.
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On December 03 2010 20:04 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 23:25 Fishball wrote:
Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion".
Just throwing it out there and stirring it up. This quote is significant because it is the only post i was able to find in which Fishball offered an idea that was relevant to the game. Unfortunately, his idea is that deconduo's axe role could be red, which would OBVIOUSLY be OP for mafia...basically, they would decide the lynch every other day. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Executioner Show nested quote +The Executioner may be either town or mafia, but is traditionally a mafia role. Fishball does look like the best lynch candidate though.
Also, Doc said at the beginning of the game that it wasn't necessarily balanced because we are his guinea pigs for his ideas. He said that he is rooting for the mafia, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility.
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EBWOP
On December 03 2010 17:52 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town? Both. Green and town. I would rather not have to quote the PM out of my fear of gods. Also I got pharma protected last night. You guys are teh best <3. I didn't eat my pills though, so you can protect someone else next night.
ok orgolove i know your town now i just wanted to point out that im also confirmed town before i say this.
please think very carefully about pushing a bandwagon on fishball. If he is town then he will be the easiest lynch to pull off for mafia based on his behavior.
It is extremely likely that they hit you because they feared both meds DTs would be protected due to roleclaims and they had no better snipe options
they seen fishball is highly suspected/incriminated town player in game
and then hit the person who campaigned against him the hardest.
they get to deliver a lynch + chance to snipe medic.
do not make this easy on them.
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fuck sorry guys i thought i hit quote not edit
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On December 03 2010 13:32 LSB wrote:
Coag, Barudar, can you give me little seemingly unimportant details about your role?
Like how do you go about doing things? Do you follow someone? Do you have special glasses? Do yo go through someones stuff and look for things?
Coa you never responded to this, mind doing it now?
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On December 03 2010 22:45 Coagulation wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 17:52 Barundar wrote:Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town? Both. Green and town. I would rather not have to quote the PM out of my fear of gods. Also I got pharma protected last night. You guys are teh best <3. I didn't eat my pills though, so you can protect someone else next night. ok orgolove i know your town now i just wanted to point out that im also confirmed town before i say this. please think very carefully about pushing a bandwagon on fishball. If he is town then he will be the easiest lynch to pull off for mafia based on his behavior. It is extremely likely that they hit you because they feared both meds DTs would be protected due to roleclaims and they had no better snipe options they seen fishball is highly suspected/incriminated town player in game and then hit the person who campaigned against him the hardest. they get to deliver a lynch + chance to snipe medic. Coag, you may be confirmed town, but you came up green, not blue. If you're green, wouldn't you be roleless, and thus not the DT? do not make this easy on them.
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On December 03 2010 23:00 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:32 LSB wrote:
Coag, Barudar, can you give me little seemingly unimportant details about your role?
Like how do you go about doing things? Do you follow someone? Do you have special glasses? Do yo go through someones stuff and look for things? Coa you never responded to this, mind doing it now?
I have incompetent heavenly messengers
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jcarlson I have no idea why my role came back as green instead of blue your guess is as good as mine.
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On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town.
No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that.
But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is.
1. I got a PM from DH; Someone "whispered me" another players role. This matches Coagulation's claim. Yes, there is a possibility that this could be a Mafia role and he can plant false messages, but to be honest, it does not seem likely, at least at this point of the game.
Punch line: I know who Coagulation checked, and the role of said person, given that he is indeed a DT, and there is no extra twist (sanity issues etc.)
2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying.
I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
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On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game.
If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game.
I wish life was that simple.
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On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 1. I got a PM from DH; Someone "whispered me" another players role. This matches Coagulation's claim. Yes, there is a possibility that this could be a Mafia role and he can plant false messages, but to be honest, it does not seem likely, at least at this point of the game. Punch line: I know who Coagulation checked, and the role of said person, given that he is indeed a DT, and there is no extra twist (sanity issues etc.) 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
Tell me if the person i check is mafia or town
Dont reveal his role yet if it can damage town tho
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No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that.
Oh no, not another one...
1. So what is the result and the person? Coag will be able to confirm?
2. Would like to hear his response to this.
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On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple.
What the hell are you talking about "If your not mafia"
Hes been flipped a veteran...
I wish you would answer my damn question
did the person i checked come up mafia?
If he didnt then we dont want to expose a blue discussing it too much
Also just want to say now that if anyone "ELSE" got the role check NOW is the time to tell town so we can figure out who is lying.
But i feel like fishball is being honest.
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Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies.
On December 03 2010 16:16 Barundar wrote:
TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors.
So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment)
Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role)
If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT.
If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one.
If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation.
Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows.
Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above.
It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now.
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TELL ME IF I HIT A MAFIA OR A TOWN WITH DT CHECK
FUCK MAN WTF
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On December 04 2010 00:20 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple. What the hell are you talking about "If your not mafia" Hes been flipped a veteran...
Where, I'm blind and busy and I must have missed it again. Please quote for me.
I'm just saying that if he is not Mafia, based on what he said to pinpoint me as Mafia, his logic is just too easy - the type of player that can easily be manipulated.
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Jesus christ it was the fucking day post.
On December 03 2010 13:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day Two Orgolove was found with gunshot wounds to the chest and shoulders in the parking lot of the mall. No one else died that night. As the ambulance took him away, Orgolove got up and walked out the back of the speeding vehicle. After tumbling a great distance he got up and began walking the streets as an undead. The next day has begun.
please answer my question
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On December 04 2010 00:22 Coagulation wrote:
TELL ME IF I HIT A MAFIA OR A TOWN WITH DT CHECK
FUCK MAN WTF
I WAS TYPING WHEN YOU POSTED FUCK WOMAN WTF.
LOOK AT THE TIME STAMP, AND IM REPLYING ONE BY ONE IN ORDER!1111!!ONE
Ahem, plus if you didn't get a clue, I said (Role) in the above post.
I did not get the alignment of who you checked.
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Guys chill
This is a game for fun, and it just got interesting
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well was it a TOWN role???
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and this part too.
If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one.
It is quite obvious I don't know the alignment of said check.
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On December 04 2010 00:28 Barundar wrote:
Guys chill
This is a game for fun, and it just got interesting
I'm chill, just look at my reply
On December 04 2010 00:28 Coagulation wrote:
well was it a TOWN role???
Depends on what you mean by Town role. This could really go one way or the other depending on the host, but judging from the setup, I would say its a Town role.
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys.
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you seem to be avoiding any kind of confirmation of the role or his townieness so im gonna assume it was one of our meds.
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On December 04 2010 00:31 Coagulation wrote:
you seem to be avoiding any kind of confirmation of the role or his townieness so im gonna assume it was one of our meds.
Damn right I'm trying to avoid leaking too much to the public.
I find it amusing you are pushing so hard for the result.
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Guys, stop talking about who is the insane detective, take a look at the clues
Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder
Coagulation could have the third eye... I can't seem to fit a role with him, but I believe his claim.
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Jcarlsoniv
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Fishball? Excecutioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea and someone else
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Deconduo
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Baurdar
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Orgolove
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?
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Coagulation, do you know who you checked?
Sorry if I missed it.
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This is a good setup for discussion. One issue is what hint does the Psychic fit? My best guess based on the clues available would be the third eye.
This is the reason I have been poking Coa all day. He has responded perfect to my questions, so I really can’t see him being mafia. My best guess therefore is that coag is the preacher, and not the DT.
My arguments for coag being preacher is:
1) Voice from the heavens in his roleclaim.
2) A psychic getting the alignment is more likely to be my counterpart, than someone who checks for roles.
3) How can you lie with a role detector? (a question which Fishball also asked)
What do you think of this Coa? Could you be the preacher?
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Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.
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Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder
No, I am not a cop per say, I just have an ability to detect alignment with my radar gun. This clue is not for me.
Will read the rest of your post now sorry, just wanted to make that clear.
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On December 04 2010 00:42 LSB wrote:
Guys, stop talking about who is the insane detective, take a look at the clues
Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder
Coagulation could have the third eye... I can't seem to fit a role with him, but I believe his claim.
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Jcarlsoniv
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Me
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea and someone else
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Might be me, unsure about this. Probably is though.
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Not me
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Baurdar
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Orgolove
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?
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On December 04 2010 00:46 LSB wrote:
Coagulation, do you know who you checked?
Sorry if I missed it.
ya i know who i checked
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On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.
Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing
I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is.
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On December 04 2010 00:55 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:46 LSB wrote:
Coagulation, do you know who you checked?
Sorry if I missed it. ya i know who i checked
As the results of your check are given out randomly, could they go to a mafia?
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On December 04 2010 00:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:55 Coagulation wrote:On December 04 2010 00:46 LSB wrote:
Coagulation, do you know who you checked?
Sorry if I missed it. ya i know who i checked As the results of your check are given out randomly, could they go to a mafia?
yes
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Seems like my post got missed, mind answering this question please Coagulation?
Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:20 Fishball wrote:Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies. On December 03 2010 16:16 Barundar wrote:
TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors. So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment) Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role) If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT. If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one. If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation. Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows. Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above. It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now. This is a good setup for discussion. One issue is what hint does the Psychic fit? My best guess based on the clues available would be the third eye. This is the reason I have been poking Coa all day. He has responded perfect to my questions, so I really can’t see him being mafia. My best guess therefore is that coag is the preacher, and not the DT. My arguments for coag being preacher is: 1) Voice from the heavens in his roleclaim. 2) A psychic getting the alignment is more likely to be my counterpart, than someone who checks for roles. 3) How can you lie with a role detector? (a question which Fishball also asked) What do you think of this Coa? Could you be the preacher?
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yeah im actually not 100% sure but it sounds about right.
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On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 1. I got a PM from DH; Someone "whispered me" another players role. This matches Coagulation's claim. Yes, there is a possibility that this could be a Mafia role and he can plant false messages, but to be honest, it does not seem likely, at least at this point of the game. Punch line: I know who Coagulation checked, and the role of said person, given that he is indeed a DT, and there is no extra twist (sanity issues etc.) 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
Your power may be activated upon lynch, mine is just activated upon my death, no matter the cause. My role isn't very special, so if I can avoid dying for no cause, I would like that. I asked for people to hold off voting for me until a DT check comes back because I was afraid people would just start voting me when day started before we had any information. I don't want to die, but if it will verify a DT, I am more than willing to do so.
P.S. A role that is activated upon lynch only sounds not friendly for town.
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On December 04 2010 00:42 LSB wrote:
Guys, stop talking about who is the insane detective, take a look at the clues
It's not just about who is sane/insane, as we don't know if this even applies. One of them can just be flat out lying.
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On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking.
Easily be faking? If nobody would like to come up and say they got a whisper too, then I'm telling the truth. Unless me and Coagulation are both Mafia and we're making a play.
So you want me to announce who Coagulation checked, a nice target for the Mafia hmm?
Same logic why I don't want to tell Coagulation what the results are, especially so when he kept pushing for it. By all means, he isn't confirmed.
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Pretty sure none of us is lying. You got a mafia buddy who wants to claim DT?
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On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking. Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is.
I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information.
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On December 04 2010 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking. Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is. I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information.
Well then, coag decides whether or not to flip, but Fishball has to reveal the name first if coag chooses yes.
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On December 04 2010 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Pretty sure none of us is lying. You got a mafia buddy who wants to claim DT?
I wish I could, I'll just have all us claim DT.
How sure is pretty sure? Hey, I'm not even pointing fingers here. I'm just telling people not to neglect anything yet.
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Sorry for being rude - and sorry for mixing up clues and hint all the time.
I would really like if someone else wants to claim DT however, to step forward now.
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On December 04 2010 01:23 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 01:18 Barundar wrote:
Pretty sure none of us is lying. You got a mafia buddy who wants to claim DT? I wish I could, I'll just have all us claim DT. How sure is pretty sure? Hey, I'm not even pointing fingers here. I'm just telling people not to neglect anything yet.
Noone else has commented on it, but Coagulation confirmed it could be the case:
Me and SouthRawrea (psychic) have the ability to check alignment. We therefore are the 2 with the “third eye”
Coagulation have the ability to check roles. He get his answers from the heavens. Therefore probably the preacher.
It was your post that made me think of this possibility, after I have been mistrusting Coagulation all day.
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Barudar, are you sure your the 'third eye'?
You seem like the person who caught someone speeding.
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I wouldnt put too much faith in any of those clues considering DOCH said he was in favor of mafia winning
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I'm 100 % not the speeder. I guess my post got lost in the spam:
On December 04 2010 00:54 Barundar wrote:No, I am not a cop per say, I just have an ability to detect alignment with my radar gun. This clue is not for me. Will read the rest of your post now sorry, just wanted to make that clear.
My best guess is the speeder refer to the busdriver role, but really not sure.
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On December 04 2010 01:43 Barundar wrote:I'm 100 % not the speeder. I guess my post got lost in the spam: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:54 Barundar wrote:Baruder can't be insane because he's the guy who caught the speeder No, I am not a cop per say, I just have an ability to detect alignment with my radar gun. This clue is not for me. Will read the rest of your post now sorry, just wanted to make that clear. My best guess is the speeder refer to the busdriver role, but really not sure.
Radar guns are what cops use to detect speeders.
![[image loading]](http://www.nationaldocumentary.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/radar-gun.jpg)
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Role description sounds more like ironman.
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Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?
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On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?
If your role says you have a radar gun then its 99.9% that the speeding clue refers to you.
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On December 04 2010 02:31 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die? If your role says you have a radar gun then its 99.9% that the speeding clue refers to you.
Are you sure? The clue says that someone was CAUGHT speeding, not that somebody caught someone ELSE who was speeding. Probably just a matter of semantics, but I thought it was worth bringing up.
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It doesn’t really matter. Seems like whether it’s scenario A or scenario B, I’m a sane alignment checker, and Coa’s roleclaim is true (albeit slightly useless).
So it’s only Fishball and Jcarlsoniv who has a potential role claim conflict.
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My last post: (which Fishball still hasn't responded)On December 03 2010 17:52 orgolove wrote:I really haven't been too active this game at all. Unless what I said hit the mark, the reds really didn't have any other reason to hit me. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business
[##]Vote Fishball
Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:50 Fishball wrote:On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business
[##]Vote Fishball
Why would you vote for me? Wait, why would you not vote for me? [##]Vote Fishball Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:52 Fishball wrote:Haha, nevermind Just checked I can't vote for myself. So, [##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view. Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role.
Then his first post:
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. ... I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
Uh huh. A "blue" who's refusing to help the town and doesn't care if you get lynched. You call yourself a townie, in a game where there's more mafia than usual? (in terms of % of total players)
Oh, and then he gives us this:On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple. Right, you suddenly become so defensive, immediately after you claim that you don't care if you're lynched or not?
And just how clueless can you be, that you missed the day post a.k.a. the most important post of the game?On December 04 2010 00:24 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:20 Coagulation wrote:On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple. What the hell are you talking about "If your not mafia" Hes been flipped a veteran... Where, I'm blind and busy and I must have missed it again. Please quote for me. I'm just saying that if he is not Mafia, based on what he said to pinpoint me as Mafia, his logic is just too easy - the type of player that can easily be manipulated. All this despite almost half the posts after my post he quoted talking about me being a veteran.
Then he goes wild with accusations, first accusing jcarlsoniv, then Barundar, then trying to put up some excuse to get out of the thread and avoid the pressure now that he's sown some seeds of confusion: On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying.
I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. On December 04 2010 00:20 Fishball wrote:Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 16:16 Barundar wrote:
TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors. So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment) Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role) If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT. If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one. If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation. Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows. Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above. It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now. On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys.
And yet he's still here, trying to seem as townie as possible.
Here's a hint:
On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:There is no misinformation in mod posts or role PM's.
There IS no 3rd DT, and it's highly likely that both of these guys are lying compared to the possibility that Fishball is lying.
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. He is so openly hostile to the town, and he claims that he has a role that activates upon death. The first KP of mafia was wasted, basically letting us free with one lynch. Why not have it be a guy whose death can potentially benefit us, if he's lying?
This is ridiculous. It's pretty fucking clear we're dealing with either a mafia or a disillusioned townie who doesn't really feel like participating in the game. He never responds to my second post, instead focusing on my first post immediately after being hit and selectively ignoring anything that pressures him. He tries to deflect accusations to discussion about fake roleclaims, and always leaves a hole to run away with his posts of "oh, I'm busy, so I'll let you guys talk."
If you really are a guy with a spirit inside, then we're gonna benefit even more from your lynch. From what the town's gotten from you, you're more beneficial to us lynched than alive.
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On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die?
What? When did I say I cannot die? Or who said I cannot die?
On December 04 2010 02:52 Barundar wrote:
It doesn’t really matter. Seems like whether it’s scenario A or scenario B, I’m a sane alignment checker, and Coa’s roleclaim is true (albeit slightly useless).
So it’s only Fishball and Jcarlsoniv who has a potential role claim conflict.
I'm surprised nobody has really been discussing this for the past few hours after I pointed it out.
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I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies.
And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite
[/QUOTE]On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys.
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fishball can you read this
On December 04 2010 01:21 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking. Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is. I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information. Well then, coag decides whether or not to flip, but Fishball has to reveal the name first if coag chooses yes.
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On December 04 2010 02:58 orgolove wrote:My last post: (which Fishball still hasn't responded) Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 17:52 orgolove wrote:I really haven't been too active this game at all. Unless what I said hit the mark, the reds really didn't have any other reason to hit me. On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business
[##]Vote Fishball
On November 30 2010 07:50 Fishball wrote:On November 30 2010 07:03 Coagulation wrote:
Lets get down to business
[##]Vote Fishball
Why would you vote for me? Wait, why would you not vote for me? [##]Vote Fishball On November 30 2010 07:52 Fishball wrote:Haha, nevermind Just checked I can't vote for myself. So, [##]Vote RebirthOfLeGenD Look at his responses to Coagulation's first accusation. A townie would probably be incensed that he just "randomly" voted for you and it would've been understandable if he got a bit defensive. But no - despite being voted against for no reason, and as the first vote of the day, he just laughed it off and even made a gesture of voting for himself. Really smells like a red in my view. Also, if Fishball turns red, then we can be pretty sure that the vote nullifier is definitely a red role. Then his first post: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. ... I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. Uh huh. A "blue" who's refusing to help the town and doesn't care if you get lynched. You call yourself a townie, in a game where there's more mafia than usual? (in terms of % of total players) Oh, and then he gives us this: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple. Right, you suddenly become so defensive, immediately after you claim that you don't care if you're lynched or not? And just how clueless can you be, that you missed the day post a.k.a. the most important post of the game? Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:24 Fishball wrote:On December 04 2010 00:20 Coagulation wrote:On December 04 2010 00:05 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 17:45 orgolove wrote:
Nope. It was a "gimped" veteran role, in that if I'm hit, everyone knows automatically.
Anyway:
1) my first vote against fishball was nullified
2) when I revealed this and kept putting the suspicion on him, I got hit during the night
so, I think it's pretty clear who the red is this game. If you are not Mafia, please re-read your own post after this game. I wish life was that simple. What the hell are you talking about "If your not mafia" Hes been flipped a veteran... Where, I'm blind and busy and I must have missed it again. Please quote for me. I'm just saying that if he is not Mafia, based on what he said to pinpoint me as Mafia, his logic is just too easy - the type of player that can easily be manipulated. All this despite almost half the posts after my post he quoted talking about me being a veteran. Then he goes wild with accusations, first accusing jcarlsoniv, then Barundar, then trying to put up some excuse to get out of the thread and avoid the pressure now that he's sown some seeds of confusion: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying.
I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:20 Fishball wrote:Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies. On December 03 2010 16:16 Barundar wrote:
TL seems to go down randomly. I checked Coa, and got a green result. He didn't have visitors. So Barundar checks Coagulation and he gets a green result. (Alignment) Coagulation checks someone else, and I get the other result. (Role) If there are no more DT's in the game, and DH meant what he said, one of them is lying, or at the very least, the results they provided is false. This is an interesting situation, since Barundar checked our other DT. If Barundar is sane/telling the truth, Coagulation would be Town aligned, but the results I get from his check would be false. Although I'm not entirely sure how a host can "fake" a role check, unless he just gives a totally random role back as a result, which is very not likely. The consequences is just too big, especially in a small game setup like this one. If Barundar is insane/not telling the truth, Coagulation would either be Mafia, and has the ability to plant false messages like mentioned in my previous post, or Barunder is Mafia and trying to frame Coagulation. Then there is the possibility that we misinterpreted DH's hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace entirely and both DT's are legit, but hey... who knows. Now a lot of this doesn't really add up, and there is more I want to talk about, but I have to start getting some work done here so I'll leave you guys with the information above. It is very important that if there is a 3rd DT, he should speak up now. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. And yet he's still here, trying to seem as townie as possible. Here's a hint: Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:There is no misinformation in mod posts or role PM's. There IS no 3rd DT, and it's highly likely that both of these guys are lying compared to the possibility that Fishball is lying. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. He is so openly hostile to the town, and he claims that he has a role that activates upon death. The first KP of mafia was wasted, basically letting us free with one lynch. Why not have it be a guy whose death can potentially benefit us, if he's lying? This is ridiculous. It's pretty fucking clear we're dealing with either a mafia or a disillusioned townie who doesn't really feel like participating in the game. He never responds to my second post, instead focusing on my first post immediately after being hit and selectively ignoring anything that pressures him. He tries to deflect accusations to discussion about fake roleclaims, and always leaves a hole to run away with his posts of "oh, I'm busy, so I'll let you guys talk." If you really are a guy with a spirit inside, then we're gonna benefit even more from your lynch. From what the town's gotten from you, you're more beneficial to us lynched than alive.
I give you four words. R-O-F-L.
If you are Mafia, I'm not going to bother, but if you are town, refer to my previous post. I don't have time for merry-go-round rides.
Hey, lynch me if you must, I'm not going anywhere.
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On December 04 2010 03:06 Coagulation wrote:fishball can you read this Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 01:21 deconduo wrote:On December 04 2010 01:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking. Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is. I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information. Well then, coag decides whether or not to flip, but Fishball has to reveal the name first if coag chooses yes.
No I can't read this.
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can you please release role of the person i checked.
No one else knows who i checked so the information is safe.
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remember i said my role relies on my ability to run a town circle.
all your doing is shitting all over my efforts.
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After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
##Vote Fishball
I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = /
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On December 04 2010 03:00 orgolove wrote:
I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies.
And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite
On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. [/QUOTE]
I check the thread periodically in between work, I'm in the office and the computer is right in front. It's not like I have to run 10 miles to reply.
I do this every game. You played with me last game, you know my pattern. All of a sudden you're questioning this? Also, "a while" is a relevant thing. Right now you're trying so hard, its really funny from my perspective.
Hmm, I wonder if Zombie is a Town Aligned role or not
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K, Fishball, even if you are town, you are not acting remotely in any way to help town at all. You need to go.
##vote Fishball
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On December 04 2010 03:07 Coagulation wrote:
can you please release role of the person i checked.
No one else knows who i checked so the information is safe.
I'll have to reread a few pages in 45 mins -1 hour during lunch.
Right now I'm skimming a lot of stuff, so I don't want to make any decisions based on any incomplete information on my part.
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On December 04 2010 03:11 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:00 orgolove wrote:
I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies.
And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite
Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys.
I check the thread periodically in between work, I'm in the office and the computer is right in front. It's not like I have to run 10 miles to reply.
I do this every game. You played with me last game, you know my pattern. All of a sudden you're questioning this? Also, "a while" is a relevant thing. Right now you're trying so hard, its really funny from my perspective.
Hmm, I wonder if Zombie is a Town Aligned role or not [/QUOTE]
Why wouldn't it be town-aligned? Why would Mafia knowingly try to nightkill one of their own? It makes no sense, unless you're insinuating that it was a way to try and convince town that Orgolove was one of the good guys, and that's pretty deep into WiFoM territory.
I don't like how you're evading Coagulation's requests so blatantly, either. Something's not right about you.
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On December 04 2010 03:11 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:00 orgolove wrote:
I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies.
And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite
Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. I check the thread periodically in between work, I'm in the office and the computer is right in front. It's not like I have to run 10 miles to reply. I do this every game. You played with me last game, you know my pattern. All of a sudden you're questioning this? Also, "a while" is a relevant thing. Right now you're trying so hard, its really funny from my perspective. Hmm, I wonder if Zombie is a Town Aligned role or not
Why wouldn't it be town-aligned? Why would Mafia knowingly try to nightkill one of their own? It makes no sense, unless you're insinuating that it was a way to try and convince town that Orgolove was one of the good guys, and that's pretty deep into WiFoM territory.
I don't like how you're evading Coagulation's requests so blatantly, either. Something's not right about you.
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I know drh likes to talk about roles where if someone gets lynched then they are converted to mafia.
hes already said hes rooting for mafia in this one
Fishball will be changed to mafia if hes lynched.
Its 100% clear he wants lynched
And its 100% clear that he does not want me to get the information to help town.
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On December 04 2010 03:22 Coagulation wrote:
I know drh likes to talk about roles where if someone gets lynched then they are converted to mafia.
hes already said hes rooting for mafia in this one
Fishball will be changed to mafia if hes lynched.
Its 100% clear he wants lynched
And its 100% clear that he does not want me to get the information to help town.
That seems pretty unlikely; if it's true, than we might as well have considered this game to have 4 Mafia all along, with Fishball just being able to disrupt the town openly. That seems pretty OP, even for an experimental game. It doesn't help that you're basing this on speculation.
If you're right, though, it just means we have a surefire scum that we can nightkill. And furthermore, this makes me doubt if that vote-blocker thing is actually a role, or just a random event; that role is more of a Mafia thing, so if the vote-blocker is scum, why use it to keep a lynch off a person that benefits Mafia if lynched?
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mafia are not made aware of his role.
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What the fuck.
I just got a PM from the Doc. Apparently, my vote was invalidated due to "corruption", so I have to change my vote...
Orgolove, is this what happened to you?
##Unvote Fishball for now, I guess.
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Vote tally for reference
Fishball:
Orgolove, Kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv
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On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
i dunno some thing about the way he is playing doesnt add up
i think if fishball was really mafia he would be pretty inclined to naturally act pro town to hide himself..
acting like he is now... it isnt scum play.. but at the exact same time... it sure as fuck aint pro town either..
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
@Aeres: that's exactly what happened to me.
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Analysis of ~OPZ~
This is every single one of his posts
On December 01 2010 14:04 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Ok...Let me check my life status real quick and read up.
On December 01 2010 14:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:54 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role. If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement. I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas? Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful.
So hes all for randomly lynching someone who is trying to reveal information to the town
Fantastic start.. instead of threatening someone for trying to add to town discussion maybe you should try some of this "scum hunting" you speak
On December 01 2010 14:57 ~OpZ~ wrote:
p.s. That's how Fishball plays. Sorry.
Is clearly "A-OK" about fishball shitting all over town
On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01
[b] Here he goes again telling people not to discuss anything role related.. its pretty clear that discussing Roles/rules is important.. IF your town. you know who wouldnt want you discussing roles?? Mafia.
again he adds that scumhunting is more important . Again he contributes 0 scumhunting.
On December 02 2010 01:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 01:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01 I don't see why you are so against discussing blue roles. It is necessary for town to gather all the information we can. Right now, the only information we can get is through speculation of these clues, that is all Dr.H has given us. It's faulty discussion. We have no proof about any role in the game. What is my role? My role is the "God." I have the power to decide what is restricted during the day phase of each day, and to possibly change it. Tell me you would have guessed that as a role.
YES There is a level of WIFOM and uncertainty involved in role discussion No SHIT.
We can still be productive about it.. Again Mafia would love it if town didn't discuss possible roles.
On December 02 2010 01:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously Show nested quote +
Voting rules:
1. Voting is to be done in this thread.
2. Please vote in the following format, to make it easier for everyone to read: [Vote]##Korynne. While the bolding in itself is not necessarily needed, it makes it easier on everybody's eyes. Please bold. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update votes whenever I get the chance.
3. You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.
4. You may not vote for yourself.
Technically, no. I've never had to "unvote." And I never have "Unvoted" (except maybe once in Sengoku). I will probably be voting South, to be honest. Actually, I will be. He's posted 4 times. He isn't here to even discuss, and South knows how to play. I don't like the blue role discussion, because it's meaningless. You can guess all day long, but don't make that the center of discussion. We should be pressuring folks. Checking this later. How long is the day going to be? I didn't see when it started/ends. Lol, my bad guys. Damn though, I gotta go get this home work fucking done, so I'll be around/afk/checking periodically.
And here he votes to lynch a now confirmed town? and again repeating the same shit how role discussion is bad and we need to "scumhunt" He obviously has no desire to actually SEE any scum hunting considering if it was as fucking important to him as he is CLEARLY trying to make it look to be he would of at least Contributed SOME KIND OF ANALYSIS
The main theme all his post's follow is "role information is bad And someone besides me needs to scumhunt"
[b]Not a single of his posts have even a hint of scumhunt[b]
hes clearly lurking and he Has contributed 0 tangible content
##[Vote] ~OPZ~
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I'm inclined to follow Coagulation as a replacement for Fishball. OpZ replaced RoL, who I followed like a sheep. I only kept up pressure on Aidnai during night to try and save us both.
Since I now have zero faith in my scumhunting however, I will wait with placing my vote for a bit longer.
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Follow coagulations suggestion of OpZ as a replacement for Fishball*
god...
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Well unless the votes are split exactly 50/50 between 2 people, then I don't have a say in who gets lynched today. However I'm going to try and give opinions and analysis if I can.
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Fishball: I cannot understand your actions right now. You are basically holding the town hostage with information. If you allow us to lynch you without revealing what you know, Coagulation's DT check will be wasted. That's very anti-town play. If you think that revealing what you know will hurt the town, then just say so. We've spent pages speculating on you and your actions when we could be discussing other lynches.
Also, it's very interesting that both votes lost due to corruption were both on Fishball.
~OpZ~, a wise mod once told me, that the person who encourages the town to scum-hunt but does not do so himself is usually the Godfather. Why don't you come out of hiding and contribute? I'm interested in what you're going to say and who you're going to protect/condemn.
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On December 04 2010 04:29 deconduo wrote:
Well unless the votes are split exactly 50/50 between 2 people, then I don't have a say in who gets lynched today. However I'm going to try and give opinions and analysis if I can.
So... what are your opinions and analysis? =) You can't just say that and then not deliver.
Also, you CAN vote as long as you cast the hammer. The town doesn't need to be dead-locked.
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On December 04 2010 04:30 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, it's very interesting that both votes lost due to corruption were both on Fishball.
I'm not so sure. I've been thinking about it a bit, and both corruptions were made when Fishball was the person with the most votes against him. I think that this vote blocking crap is just a random occurrence that maybe doesn't have anything to do with Fishball, as far as his role is concerned, and Fishball was protected simply due to the majority of votes being on him at the time.
What I think is going on is that at the beginning of the day, the Doc uses an RNG to pick a random player. That player will have his vote blocked, and will receive the PM once the Doc has free time at work or something.
This is only what I have by going off of the incidents with Orgolove and I, however. Perhaps I can detect a meaningful trend should this occur on Day 3.
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On December 04 2010 04:33 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 04:29 deconduo wrote:
Well unless the votes are split exactly 50/50 between 2 people, then I don't have a say in who gets lynched today. However I'm going to try and give opinions and analysis if I can. So... what are your opinions and analysis? =) You can't just say that and then not deliver. Also, you CAN vote as long as you cast the hammer. The town doesn't need to be dead-locked.
Doing a writeup now
While I can vote, the vote doesn't really count as the town would have already decided. The only time I get a CHOICE is when its deadlocked between two people.
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fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies.
why arent we insta-voting him?
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three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball
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On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball
Please hold off on lynching him.
its so painfully obvious mafia are setting him up
~opz~ is a much safer lynch
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he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit?
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On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball
Why is it necessarily a good thing to lynch Fishball if he's a spirit? He's not really acting in town's interest right now, so why give him more powers if we're not sure they'll benefit us?
Something seems off about this post, but I can't put my finger on it.
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On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote:
he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit?
Yes a traitor would DEFINITELY claim spirit.
"Hey guys if you lynch me i grow stronger"
Instead he turns mafia.
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On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:
2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying.
I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
First, my name is not based on Lebron... My name actually means King.
Next, how is it that we have 2 claims to the same role? DrH never hinted at the existence of 2 spirits. He also told us that his hints were complete and there were no lies in the Role PMs. We should try to figure out who is lying between these two. One of them must be mafia.
jcarlsoniv has already told us what happens when he dies. Fishball, what do you gain from your lynch?
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mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role).
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coagulation
was there a hint to a traitor role?
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this
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
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... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me.
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RebirthOfLegend Discussed its implications as a traitor role in DEPTH well before fishball started playing funny.
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i missed it then.
whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz?
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On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:ebwop: As far as fishball goes, its two posts and hes a difficult guy to read but I will figure him about before day 3 as long as hes active To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used.
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yes i think right now we need to if not lynch ~opz~ at least place a vote on him to get him talking and analyze vote patterns on him
although regardless i am extremely confident that he is scum.
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oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis
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Coagulation at the moment you are arguing based on the logic of the person you suggest to lynch (albeit its his replacement)
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but okay then.
##unvote fishball
##vote ~opz~
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On December 04 2010 05:08 Coagulation wrote:
this
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
The power of love doesn't seem too sinister to me.
Anyway, let's suppose that Fishball really is a traitor who will become mafia upon lynching. How are we supposed to deal with him then? Lynch him twice? I don't see any hints about a Vigilante role. I guess we could lynch him once, and then the next day, deconduo snipes him with his Executioner ability.
At the moment, it seems that Fishball is Red or wants to get lynched. We need an alignment check on him tonight. Then tomorrow we can discuss his lynch.
So here's my new plan. Barundar, you still have a pill that will save you. Mafia only has 1 KP so you'll be safe with that pill. Overnight you check Fishball and tell us what you found. If he's Red, he'll be lynched. If he's not, then we just have to suffer through his posts.
For now, I'll switch my vote to ~OpZ~ just to avoid any possible Traitor mechanic.
##Unvote Fishball
##Vote ~OpZ~
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Alright, time for some action.
On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote:
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back.
@ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again.
On December 04 2010 03:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
K, Fishball, even if you are town, you are not acting remotely in any way to help town at all. You need to go.
##vote Fishball
@ jcarlsoniv - This cannot get more typical. Out of all reasons, you choose "you're not helping town, you have to die". We've seen this a million times, where Mafia tries to soft play and blend in with their vote, killing an innocent while wasting the Town's lynch. Also, you haven't even replied to the contradiction of your claim to mine at all.
On December 04 2010 03:11 Aeres wrote:
After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
@ Aeres - Think of it. If I weren't in the interest of town, why would I reveal two pieces of crucial information? That I know who Coagulation checked and the role of said player, and pointing out jcarlsoniv's role is contradicting with mine? Why would I want to draw more myself further more into the middle of attention? If I die and flip Mafia, everything I say can be disregarded. Why would I want to put myself in such position and waste my own effort, and get myself killed in the process? Think about it.
With that being said, keep your vote on me.
On December 04 2010 01:32 Barundar wrote:
Noone else has commented on it, but Coagulation confirmed it could be the case:
Me and SouthRawrea (psychic) have the ability to check alignment. We therefore are the 2 with the “third eye”
Coagulation have the ability to check roles. He get his answers from the heavens. Therefore probably the preacher.
It was your post that made me think of this possibility, after I have been mistrusting Coagulation all day.
@ Barundar - Coagulation is NOT the preacher. I am. I will not further reveal my role, but I'm 99.99% sure I am the preacher. I'll admit I'm guilty of not reading much of DH's posts since the game started, in fact, I haven't read much of the thread at all until Day 2 started, due to my little personal experiment (which worked), and slack.
This is one of DH's comment:
On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn
Which means everyone so far was off with his clues regarding the Hammer. Now time for my turn.
The Hammer is the person who voted last during a lynch, the person who activated the kill.
This is what DH said:
"A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer "
Basically, it means there are 4 players that have their roles tied with the lynch. Now I have two different understandings regarding this statement.
1. Among these 4 players, some benefits from the hammer, some don't.
2. Among these 4 players, some can be the hammer (as in voting last), some can't. Why do I say that? Because my role description prohibits me from being the hammer, or I will be mod-killed. (Oh I just revealed more of my role!)
I think it's likely #2. It would be hard to benefit if you are lynched and dead. Yes, a player might have certain abilities that occurs upon being lynched, but that doesn't really benefit the player in any way, since he is dead. He can't play anymore. The term "fear" and "love" is also hard to apply in this case.
If it were #2, everything would make sense. Certain players have to be the hammer every time, and some can never be the hammer, like me.
I suggest everyone to closely observe the voting patterns from here on. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players.
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Here are my top suspects for now.
1. jcarlsoniv - Instant kill if I were a vigilante.
2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players.
Regarding the rest of the players, it's just quite hard and too many to get a read right now. Hell I haven't even been tracking the lurkers.
Barundar/Coagulation - Now regarding the quote "Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies", we don't know if DH means sane/insane, or deliberately lying from the players. Let's assume Barundar and SR (who is dead) are the two men with a third eye, we still can't throw out the fact that we can't put Barundar in the clear just yet. If it is Barundar and Coagulation that has the third eye, same scenario applies. I'm not exactly pointing fingers at anyone here, but certain players can't just ignore certain facts and make a conclusion.
deconduo - I don't know. He claims he is the Axe and have ended the Day early. Everything makes sense, but something just doesn't add up with the Hammer thing. I'll have to think about it more later.
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On December 04 2010 05:14 Barundar wrote:
Coagulation at the moment you are arguing based on the logic of the person you suggest to lynch (albeit its his replacement)
i understand that 100%
Theres nothing at all stopping MAFIA from discussing the possibility of a traiter role with town
THAT would actually be something that mafia would want to address and get information from town about.
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##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper.
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On December 04 2010 05:04 kingjames01 wrote:
jcarlsoniv has already told us what happens when he dies. Fishball, what do you gain from your lynch?
What does he gain when he dies?
Can you quote that for me please?
Sorry I'm all over the place right now.
Also, just to say it upfront I won't reveal my ability regardless.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
If Fishball really was a townie, then why would mafia nullify the votes, TWICE?
On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball
If fishball turns out mafia in the end...
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On December 04 2010 03:10 Coagulation wrote:
remember i said my role relies on my ability to run a town circle.
all your doing is shitting all over my efforts.
Have some patience ok?
You checked annul.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Damn why the fuck am I trying. I did my job - mafia wasted a KP. If you guys can't look at the patterns and fail to lynch a red TWO DAYS IN A ROW with a team full of blues, then town just fails.
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On December 04 2010 05:19 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:04 kingjames01 wrote:
jcarlsoniv has already told us what happens when he dies. Fishball, what do you gain from your lynch?
What does he gain when he dies? Can you quote that for me please? Sorry I'm all over the place right now. Also, just to say it upfront I won't reveal my ability regardless.
Well, what he claims is this:
On December 02 2010 15:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 13:46 kingjames01 wrote:
Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch. I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass.
and this:
On December 02 2010 21:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 16:08 Barundar wrote:
what will stop jcarlsoniv from turning red when he dies? I won't. My role isn't too special. I will still be able to talk to you guys, but I will be limited in how much per cycle period.
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orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time).
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On December 04 2010 05:17 Fishball wrote:Alright, time for some action. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote:
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back. @ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
K, Fishball, even if you are town, you are not acting remotely in any way to help town at all. You need to go.
##vote Fishball @ jcarlsoniv - This cannot get more typical. Out of all reasons, you choose "you're not helping town, you have to die". We've seen this a million times, where Mafia tries to soft play and blend in with their vote, killing an innocent while wasting the Town's lynch. Also, you haven't even replied to the contradiction of your claim to mine at all. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:11 Aeres wrote:
After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
@ Aeres - Think of it. If I weren't in the interest of town, why would I reveal two pieces of crucial information? That I know who Coagulation checked and the role of said player, and pointing out jcarlsoniv's role is contradicting with mine? Why would I want to draw more myself further more into the middle of attention? If I die and flip Mafia, everything I say can be disregarded. Why would I want to put myself in such position and waste my own effort, and get myself killed in the process? Think about it. With that being said, keep your vote on me. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 01:32 Barundar wrote:
Noone else has commented on it, but Coagulation confirmed it could be the case:
Me and SouthRawrea (psychic) have the ability to check alignment. We therefore are the 2 with the “third eye”
Coagulation have the ability to check roles. He get his answers from the heavens. Therefore probably the preacher.
It was your post that made me think of this possibility, after I have been mistrusting Coagulation all day. @ Barundar - Coagulation is NOT the preacher. I am. I will not further reveal my role, but I'm 99.99% sure I am the preacher. I'll admit I'm guilty of not reading much of DH's posts since the game started, in fact, I haven't read much of the thread at all until Day 2 started, due to my little personal experiment (which worked), and slack. This is one of DH's comment: Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn Which means everyone so far was off with his clues regarding the Hammer. Now time for my turn. The Hammer is the person who voted last during a lynch, the person who activated the kill. This is what DH said: " A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " Basically, it means there are 4 players that have their roles tied with the lynch. Now I have two different understandings regarding this statement. 1. Among these 4 players, some benefits from the hammer, some don't. 2. Among these 4 players, some can be the hammer (as in voting last), some can't. Why do I say that? Because my role description prohibits me from being the hammer, or I will be mod-killed. (Oh I just revealed more of my role!) I think it's likely #2. It would be hard to benefit if you are lynched and dead. Yes, a player might have certain abilities that occurs upon being lynched, but that doesn't really benefit the player in any way, since he is dead. He can't play anymore. The term "fear" and "love" is also hard to apply in this case. If it were #2, everything would make sense. Certain players have to be the hammer every time, and some can never be the hammer, like me. I suggest everyone to closely observe the voting patterns from here on. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players. --- Here are my top suspects for now. 1. jcarlsoniv - Instant kill if I were a vigilante. 2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players. Regarding the rest of the players, it's just quite hard and too many to get a read right now. Hell I haven't even been tracking the lurkers. Barundar/Coagulation - Now regarding the quote "Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies", we don't know if DH means sane/insane, or deliberately lying from the players. Let's assume Barundar and SR (who is dead) are the two men with a third eye, we still can't throw out the fact that we can't put Barundar in the clear just yet. If it is Barundar and Coagulation that has the third eye, same scenario applies. I'm not exactly pointing fingers at anyone here, but certain players can't just ignore certain facts and make a conclusion. deconduo - I don't know. He claims he is the Axe and have ended the Day early. Everything makes sense, but something just doesn't add up with the Hammer thing. I'll have to think about it more later.
Lol, so you're the spirit AND the preacher? Dude, come on.
I am not trying to veil myself into the town because I am in the town, I don't need to pretend. You are honestly being so anti-town right now, you can't even pretend you're not. How are we supposed to work with you if you give us nothing to work with.
And I did respond to your suspicions that my role contradicts yours:
On December 04 2010 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 1. I got a PM from DH; Someone "whispered me" another players role. This matches Coagulation's claim. Yes, there is a possibility that this could be a Mafia role and he can plant false messages, but to be honest, it does not seem likely, at least at this point of the game. Punch line: I know who Coagulation checked, and the role of said person, given that he is indeed a DT, and there is no extra twist (sanity issues etc.) 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. Your power may be activated upon lynch, mine is just activated upon my death, no matter the cause. My role isn't very special, so if I can avoid dying for no cause, I would like that. I asked for people to hold off voting for me until a DT check comes back because I was afraid people would just start voting me when day started before we had any information. I don't want to die, but if it will verify a DT, I am more than willing to do so. P.S. A role that is activated upon lynch only sounds not friendly for town.
If you're going to argue, you can't make things up.
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Coagulation, you keep saying that Fishball is being setup by the reds. But If the mafia was stupid enough to waste 1 KP + TWO vote nullifiers for ONE blue whose role we don't even know about, then it's FUCKING WORTH IT.
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On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time).
Hmm... I hadn't considered this before. It does make sense, and would adequately explain why both votes that were redirected were on Fishball. If this trend doesn't deviate on Day 3, then I feel we can place some degree of trust in this.
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On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time).
That's a possibility. But it can't be a coincidence that almost all meaningful actions in terms of kills/votes the past few days come back to fishball.
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Here are my top suspects for now.
1. jcarlsoniv - Instant kill if I were a vigilante.
2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players.
Orgo came back after taking a mafia hit. He is clear. Fishball basicly confirmed himself as mafia here. His claim into a new clue only pushes me further.
#vote Fishball
For the record, my guess to a mafia team right now is Fishball, opz and ghrur. Only one I can't clear is annul, and since he is willing to vote for both Fish and opz, he can't be one of them.
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Okay, there is too much going on right now for Fishball to be Town.
He claimed to be Spirit and Preacher. He's holding back information that was obtained by a DT. The only reason why I'm hesitating is because Coag suggested that Fishball might turn Red. I think we can deal with that though if it happens.
If we have enough players active right now, we should lynch.
##Unvote ~OpZ~
##Vote Fishball
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I agree, Kingjames01. There are too many inconsistencies, too many things that don't add up. I can't vote for him today, but consider my vote to be on him in spirit.
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On December 04 2010 05:28 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +Here are my top suspects for now.
1. jcarlsoniv - Instant kill if I were a vigilante.
2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players. Orgo came back after taking a mafia hit. He is clear. Fishball basicly confirmed himself as mafia here. His claim into a new clue only pushes me further. #vote FishballFor the record, my guess to a mafia team right now is Fishball, opz and ghrur. Only one I can't clear is annul, and since he is willing to vote for both Fish and opz, he can't be one of them.
Oh wow, how the hell did I miss this? nice OMGUSUK there.
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##vote Fishball
im almost 100% sure he wont be mafia but at this point he is just getting in the way of actual scumhunting.
Day 3 WE NEED TO VOTE ~OPZ~
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On December 04 2010 05:17 Fishball wrote:
2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players.
Talking about this.
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On December 04 2010 05:32 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:28 Barundar wrote:Here are my top suspects for now.
1. jcarlsoniv - Instant kill if I were a vigilante.
2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players. Orgo came back after taking a mafia hit. He is clear. Fishball basicly confirmed himself as mafia here. His claim into a new clue only pushes me further. #vote FishballFor the record, my guess to a mafia team right now is Fishball, opz and ghrur. Only one I can't clear is annul, and since he is willing to vote for both Fish and opz, he can't be one of them. Oh wow, how the hell did I miss this? nice OMGUSUK there.
Yeah the fact that hes actually pushing you as a possible scum still is beyond me at this point
its pretty clear you are our vigi.
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##unvote ~opz~
##vote fishball
i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch.
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On December 04 2010 05:33 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:17 Fishball wrote:
2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players.
Talking about this.
His reasoning is so fucking stupid
Mafia have brains also..
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Fishball:
Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul
opz:
aeres
is this correct?
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I'm not a vigi. I am a vet. My 1 life is already spent. Next hit I'm dead. -_-
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This is the current vote tally:
Fishball (6)
orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit)
~OpZ~ (1)
Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres
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ya i ment VET. got my V roles mixed up.
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I think doc is at work, so idk if we're gonna get a quick night post if we lynch right away
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One thing I just noticed after reading the last page.
kingjames or someone, can you help me do a count on the clues regarding each roles. Do they add up to 15? (One per player)
The way I see it, the quote "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " is just an extra hint regarding the relationship between certain players and the hammer, on top of the 15 role clues.
This is why I claimed Preacher and Spirit, I think they are the same role.
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I forgot to vote earlier with my post -_-
and it looks like he's only gotten more crazy...
##Vote Fishball
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On December 04 2010 05:39 Fishball wrote:
One thing I just noticed after reading the last page.
kingjames or someone, can you help me do a count on the clues regarding each roles. Do they add up to 15? (One per player)
The way I see it, the quote "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " is just an extra hint regarding the relationship between certain players and the hammer, on top of the 15 role clues.
This is why I claimed Preacher and Spirit, I think they are the same role.
My role isn't called spirit, but it's pretty damn close, and nothing remotely near "Preacher"
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guys im really not happy about this voting fishball thing at all.
I think town is being pushed to lynch a scapegoat + the idea that he is a traitor role makes it so clear that mafia will want to lynch him. This is the perfect lynch for mafia.
you guys notice IM THE ONLY ONE defending him??
did you notice IM THE ONLY ONE looking for alternative lynches?
I wish town would think twice about lynching him and put votes on ~opz~
its clear mafia want him lynched
Either they get a townie
or he converts
Its a WIN/WIN for them
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On December 04 2010 05:39 Fishball wrote:
One thing I just noticed after reading the last page.
kingjames or someone, can you help me do a count on the clues regarding each roles. Do they add up to 15? (One per player)
The way I see it, the quote "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " is just an extra hint regarding the relationship between certain players and the hammer, on top of the 15 role clues.
This is why I claimed Preacher and Spirit, I think they are the same role.
This is the list of clues. It doesn't include any of the updated information about who has claimed. It should help in this discussion though. I think the Spirit and the Preacher are separate roles. What does your Role PM indicate?
On December 01 2010 15:35 kingjames01 wrote:
So we know that DrH has given us clues to every role. I'm going to continue the list that deconduo started with the latest clues:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Ability activated upon death.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Mason
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Ability to end day early?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Brain Surgeon?
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?
I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue.
There are a few roles that I haven't figured out yet. Also, from this list, I don't know which roles are likely to be anti-town. Any thoughts?
As has been previously mentioned in the thread, one of these roles is supposed to be a Vote Nullifier. I don't see that in this list so I've probably missed a clue.
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On December 04 2010 05:28 Barundar wrote:
For the record, my guess to a mafia team right now is Fishball, opz and ghrur. Only one I can't clear is annul, and since he is willing to vote for both Fish and opz, he can't be one of them.
I retract this. Node isn't cleared.
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Fishball, what do you get when you die? What happens? The difference between our claims is that I have told everyone what happens to me, but you have kept all information from the thread. If you truly are town, stop being worthless.
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Okay, I'll do the rolecount now.
Firstly, I'll claim that I can see all the night actions, I don't know who did them, but Doc H Pmed them to me. I took out some actions because I don't feel they were important to anyone besides the mafia.
Someone whispered a message into someone elses ears Someone watched somebody else with a pair of binoculars. Someone pointed a radar gun at somebodies house. Someone shot somebody to death, but they survived and came back as an undead zombie.
This is the roles I've pulled up
+ Show Spoiler +Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Jcarlsoniv. Or Fishball
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers. One town one mafia
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child, Child with Binoculars?
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Executioner. Deconduo?
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
I was able to see these actions
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea and someone else. Possibly Mafia Hypnotist?
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Deconduo
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Someone pointed a radar gun at somebodies house.
Baurdar
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Someone shot somebody to death, but they survived and came back as an undead zombie.
Orgolove
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane. Or maybe vote corruption
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?
Unaccounted for roles:
Some Sort of Watcher with Binoculars
Some Sort of Mafia Bus Driver
Some Sort of Mafia vote blocker
What I gleaned.
Mafia: 1 KP. Three roles probably Lover, Roleblocker, Vote Corrupter.
Roleclaims: It doesn't look like anyone is lying... I don't even know what Fishball claimed... Did he claim that he can survive a lynch or something?
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On December 04 2010 05:20 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:10 Coagulation wrote:
remember i said my role relies on my ability to run a town circle.
all your doing is shitting all over my efforts.
Have some patience ok? You checked annul.
Is this correct Coag?
#unvote
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I'm going to update this with what we know. Let me know if I'm wrong about anything.
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) LSB?
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10) Barundar, Coagulation
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball?
Preacher?
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On December 04 2010 05:57 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:20 Fishball wrote:On December 04 2010 03:10 Coagulation wrote:
remember i said my role relies on my ability to run a town circle.
all your doing is shitting all over my efforts.
Have some patience ok? You checked annul. Is this correct Coag? #unvote
Yeah
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Fishball, since your about to be lynched. Can you roleclaim for us?
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On December 04 2010 05:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Fishball, what do you get when you die? What happens? The difference between our claims is that I have told everyone what happens to me, but you have kept all information from the thread. If you truly are town, stop being worthless.
Why would I want to let the Mafia know?
You're worthless.
On December 04 2010 05:42 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:39 Fishball wrote:
One thing I just noticed after reading the last page.
kingjames or someone, can you help me do a count on the clues regarding each roles. Do they add up to 15? (One per player)
The way I see it, the quote "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " is just an extra hint regarding the relationship between certain players and the hammer, on top of the 15 role clues.
This is why I claimed Preacher and Spirit, I think they are the same role.
This is the list of clues. It doesn't include any of the updated information about who has claimed. It should help in this discussion though. I think the Spirit and the Preacher are separate roles. What does your Role PM indicate? Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:35 kingjames01 wrote:
So we know that DrH has given us clues to every role. I'm going to continue the list that deconduo started with the latest clues:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Ability activated upon death.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Mason
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Ability to end day early?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Brain Surgeon?
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?
I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue.
There are a few roles that I haven't figured out yet. Also, from this list, I don't know which roles are likely to be anti-town. Any thoughts?
As has been previously mentioned in the thread, one of these roles is supposed to be a Vote Nullifier. I don't see that in this list so I've probably missed a clue.
Why did I claim the spirit? Because an ability is activated after the lynch.
Why did I claim preacher? Because my role name is Priest, I can give you that, and I fear the hammer.
The way DH worded his disappointment of wrong interpretations of the Hammer, plus the clue itself, which adds up to more than 15 players, is why I think roles that were mentioned before are mentioned again in this line:
"A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer "
If what jcarlsoniv claims his abilities are true, the spirit would make more sense on his role than mine, but we can only find out after he is lynched. Still, this was not a random, unthoughtful claim from me.
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All right, so people aren't all "OFF WITH HIS HEAD"
Back to my analysis. You can ignore that question for a moment.
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Hes the town lover.
When we lynch him he will be converted to mafia
iv been trying to say this forever.
of course he wont admit it.
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On December 04 2010 06:00 Coagulation wrote:
Hes the town lover.
When we lynch him he will be converted to mafia
iv been trying to say this forever.
of course he wont admit it.
Excuse my language, but did you not fucking read?
On December 04 2010 05:17 Fishball wrote:
@ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again.
The moment I remain alive after a lynch, everyone in the world would know I'm lying.
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Okay, updated using LSB's info:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar?
Traffic Cop? Uses a Radar Gun.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher?
On December 04 2010 05:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +Someone whispered a message into someone elses ears, Lovers: ?, ? [REDACTED. And Someone hypnotized someoneHypnotist: ?] , Someone watched somebody else with a pair of binoculars., Hobo: LSBSomeone pointed a radar gun at somebodies house., Traffic Cop: BarundarSomeone shot somebody to death, but they survived and came back as an undead zombie. mafia : ?, Zombie: orgolove
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Now, onto Fishball
Mafia has been helping out Fishball
-2 Vote Corruptions
-1 Hit on Orgolove.
This all could be WIFORM, however, in the game I played as mafia, I took out people who slightly suspected me.
Fishballs Role
-Fishball is not a critical town role such as Doctor or DT.
-Fishball Claimed Preacher and has some sort of bonus ‘spirit’ after a lynch.
-An alternative theory is that Fishball is a ‘town lover’ and is converted to mafia after the lynch.
One key thing we have to note is that Fishball is trying not to get lynched. That means that possibly getting lynched will weaken his role. I’m inclined to believe that he can’t survive the lynch
The Hammer
On December 04 2010 06:00 Fishball wrote:
The way DH worded his disappointment of wrong interpretations of the Hammer, plus the clue itself, which adds up to more than 15 players, is why I think roles that were mentioned before are mentioned again in this line:
"A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer "
Fishball knows something about the Hammer that we all don’t. I have two guesses on what the Hammer is. Either it is the Lynch, and Fishball gets a bonus if we lynch mafia. Or the Hammer is a person who’s role is tied to fishballs.
If someone wants to confirm what Fishball is leading us on with, as per the hammer, that would be great.
The hammer leands credibility to Fishball’s role as I believe he has deduced something that I did not think of and that pertains to his role.
Final Verdict:
Fishball is probably not lying about his role.
Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town.
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On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Someone watched somebody else with a pair of binoculars., Hobo: LSB
I don't got binoculars.
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Alright, time for some action.
On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote:
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back.
@ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again.
On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
how the fuck are you gonna "die" AND "activate your powers" at same time.
jesus christ you are doing a piss poor job of making a LICK OF SENSE this game.
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On December 04 2010 06:12 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +Alright, time for some action.
On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote:
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back.
@ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. how the fuck are you gonna "die" AND "activate your powers" at same time. jesus christ you are doing a piss poor job of making a LICK OF SENSE this game.
You suck.
Think, Mad Hatter.
No, I'm not a Mad Hatter.
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So wich is it
You get lynched and you DIE?
Or you get lynched and your power activates?
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On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote:Now, onto Fishball Mafia has been helping out Fishball -2 Vote Corruptions -1 Hit on Orgolove. This all could be WIFORM, however, in the game I played as mafia, I took out people who slightly suspected me. Fishballs Role-Fishball is not a critical town role such as Doctor or DT. -Fishball Claimed Preacher and has some sort of bonus ‘spirit’ after a lynch. -An alternative theory is that Fishball is a ‘town lover’ and is converted to mafia after the lynch. One key thing we have to note is that Fishball is trying not to get lynched. That means that possibly getting lynched will weaken his role. I’m inclined to believe that he can’t survive the lynch The Hammer Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:00 Fishball wrote:
The way DH worded his disappointment of wrong interpretations of the Hammer, plus the clue itself, which adds up to more than 15 players, is why I think roles that were mentioned before are mentioned again in this line:
"A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer "
Fishball knows something about the Hammer that we all don’t. I have two guesses on what the Hammer is. Either it is the Lynch, and Fishball gets a bonus if we lynch mafia. Or the Hammer is a person who’s role is tied to fishballs. If someone wants to confirm what Fishball is leading us on with, as per the hammer, that would be great. The hammer leands credibility to Fishball’s role as I believe he has deduced something that I did not think of and that pertains to his role. Final Verdict: Fishball is probably not lying about his role. Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town.
What, me trying not to get lynched? I never told you guys to back off your votes did you? I even told Aeres to keep his vote.
As I mentioned before, I don't really care if I get lynched or not.
And for the 3rd time, for the love of god. If I'm still alive after a lynch, just kill me. Once I'm dead, I'm dead.
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nm u posted answer while i was posting
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On December 04 2010 06:16 Coagulation wrote:
So wich is it
You get lynched and you DIE?
Or you get lynched and your power activates?
How about a combination of everything? Just like the Mad Hatter example I said?
I get lynched, I die, my upon being lynch ability activates.
OHH MAFIA IS SOOO HARD.
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On December 04 2010 06:14 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:12 Coagulation wrote:Alright, time for some action.
On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote:
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back.
@ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again. On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. how the fuck are you gonna "die" AND "activate your powers" at same time. jesus christ you are doing a piss poor job of making a LICK OF SENSE this game. You suck. Think, Mad Hatter. No, I'm not a Mad Hatter.
So what you're saying is that if you die, something happens but you no longer have the ability to speak. Does it benefit the town for you to be lynched? You keep throwing out vague hints to your 'role' and then when someone claims that role, you switch. Why don't you just come out and definitively answer the question:
How does your role work? Why should we keep you alive?
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On December 04 2010 06:16 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote:Now, onto Fishball Mafia has been helping out Fishball -2 Vote Corruptions -1 Hit on Orgolove. This all could be WIFORM, however, in the game I played as mafia, I took out people who slightly suspected me. Fishballs Role-Fishball is not a critical town role such as Doctor or DT. -Fishball Claimed Preacher and has some sort of bonus ‘spirit’ after a lynch. -An alternative theory is that Fishball is a ‘town lover’ and is converted to mafia after the lynch. One key thing we have to note is that Fishball is trying not to get lynched. That means that possibly getting lynched will weaken his role. I’m inclined to believe that he can’t survive the lynch The Hammer On December 04 2010 06:00 Fishball wrote:
The way DH worded his disappointment of wrong interpretations of the Hammer, plus the clue itself, which adds up to more than 15 players, is why I think roles that were mentioned before are mentioned again in this line:
"A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer "
Fishball knows something about the Hammer that we all don’t. I have two guesses on what the Hammer is. Either it is the Lynch, and Fishball gets a bonus if we lynch mafia. Or the Hammer is a person who’s role is tied to fishballs. If someone wants to confirm what Fishball is leading us on with, as per the hammer, that would be great. The hammer leands credibility to Fishball’s role as I believe he has deduced something that I did not think of and that pertains to his role. Final Verdict: Fishball is probably not lying about his role. Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town. What, me trying not to get lynched? I never told you guys to back off your votes did you? I even told Aeres to keep his vote. As I mentioned before, I don't really care if I get lynched or not. And for the 3rd time, for the love of god. If I'm still alive after a lynch, just kill me. Once I'm dead, I'm dead.
1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early.
2. Your argument buys into his guesses on blue roles. DrH's clues have notoriusly been hard to read, and are way too easy to hide behind. Fishnut has made absolutely no contribution in the thread, has been hiding information, and has overall just been dragging the town down. We can't rely on guesses against that.
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Wrong quote. I meant to quote LSB's post, not Fishballs.
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On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:16 Fishball wrote:On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote:Now, onto Fishball Mafia has been helping out Fishball -2 Vote Corruptions -1 Hit on Orgolove. This all could be WIFORM, however, in the game I played as mafia, I took out people who slightly suspected me. Fishballs Role-Fishball is not a critical town role such as Doctor or DT. -Fishball Claimed Preacher and has some sort of bonus ‘spirit’ after a lynch. -An alternative theory is that Fishball is a ‘town lover’ and is converted to mafia after the lynch. One key thing we have to note is that Fishball is trying not to get lynched. That means that possibly getting lynched will weaken his role. I’m inclined to believe that he can’t survive the lynch The Hammer On December 04 2010 06:00 Fishball wrote:
The way DH worded his disappointment of wrong interpretations of the Hammer, plus the clue itself, which adds up to more than 15 players, is why I think roles that were mentioned before are mentioned again in this line:
"A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer "
Fishball knows something about the Hammer that we all don’t. I have two guesses on what the Hammer is. Either it is the Lynch, and Fishball gets a bonus if we lynch mafia. Or the Hammer is a person who’s role is tied to fishballs. If someone wants to confirm what Fishball is leading us on with, as per the hammer, that would be great. The hammer leands credibility to Fishball’s role as I believe he has deduced something that I did not think of and that pertains to his role. Final Verdict: Fishball is probably not lying about his role. Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town. What, me trying not to get lynched? I never told you guys to back off your votes did you? I even told Aeres to keep his vote. As I mentioned before, I don't really care if I get lynched or not. And for the 3rd time, for the love of god. If I'm still alive after a lynch, just kill me. Once I'm dead, I'm dead. 1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early. 2. Your argument buys into his guesses on blue roles. DrH's clues have notoriusly been hard to read, and are way too easy to hide behind. Fishnut has made absolutely no contribution in the thread, has been hiding information, and has overall just been dragging the town down. We can't rely on guesses against that.
Hey, hey... Fishnut isn't appropriate... If you're going to be insulting, you have to do it with style, flair, class and subtlety...
Anyway, if you feel so strongly against Fishball, why did you remove your vote? That doesn't really make sense.
This is the current vote tally:
Fishball (6)
orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit), aidnai
~OpZ~ (1)
Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres
Fishball, only 2 more votes and this whole issue is settled. You're going to get lynched if you don't try harder to save yourself.
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I removed my vote bececause Coagulation expressed doubts, and so we could have extra time to discuss it. But I'm fine with putting it back.
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LSB, take a position. Who do you think is Red and why?
I'm counting approximately 9 players contributing to this discussion. Where are the rest of the players?
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I played for a very long time with a player called Fishnuts, isn't intentionally I keep writing it
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If you spend a lot of time playing with Fishnuts, then I guess that's okay...
That's not my thing, but hey! Who am I to judge?
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On December 04 2010 06:26 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote:On December 04 2010 06:16 Fishball wrote:On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote:Now, onto Fishball Mafia has been helping out Fishball -2 Vote Corruptions -1 Hit on Orgolove. This all could be WIFORM, however, in the game I played as mafia, I took out people who slightly suspected me. Fishballs Role-Fishball is not a critical town role such as Doctor or DT. -Fishball Claimed Preacher and has some sort of bonus ‘spirit’ after a lynch. -An alternative theory is that Fishball is a ‘town lover’ and is converted to mafia after the lynch. One key thing we have to note is that Fishball is trying not to get lynched. That means that possibly getting lynched will weaken his role. I’m inclined to believe that he can’t survive the lynch The Hammer On December 04 2010 06:00 Fishball wrote:
The way DH worded his disappointment of wrong interpretations of the Hammer, plus the clue itself, which adds up to more than 15 players, is why I think roles that were mentioned before are mentioned again in this line:
"A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer "
Fishball knows something about the Hammer that we all don’t. I have two guesses on what the Hammer is. Either it is the Lynch, and Fishball gets a bonus if we lynch mafia. Or the Hammer is a person who’s role is tied to fishballs. If someone wants to confirm what Fishball is leading us on with, as per the hammer, that would be great. The hammer leands credibility to Fishball’s role as I believe he has deduced something that I did not think of and that pertains to his role. Final Verdict: Fishball is probably not lying about his role. Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town. What, me trying not to get lynched? I never told you guys to back off your votes did you? I even told Aeres to keep his vote. As I mentioned before, I don't really care if I get lynched or not. And for the 3rd time, for the love of god. If I'm still alive after a lynch, just kill me. Once I'm dead, I'm dead. 1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early. 2. Your argument buys into his guesses on blue roles. DrH's clues have notoriusly been hard to read, and are way too easy to hide behind. Fishnut has made absolutely no contribution in the thread, has been hiding information, and has overall just been dragging the town down. We can't rely on guesses against that. Hey, hey... Fishnut isn't appropriate... If you're going to be insulting, you have to do it with style, flair, class and subtlety... Anyway, if you feel so strongly against Fishball, why did you remove your vote? That doesn't really make sense. This is the current vote tally: Fishball (6) orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit), aidnai ~OpZ~ (1) Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres Fishball, only 2 more votes and this whole issue is settled. You're going to get lynched if you don't try harder to save yourself.
Read my previous posts. I'm not trying to save myself.
I don't care if I get lynched at all.
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KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite
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On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote:
1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early.
Fuck me.
Do you guys even read the OP?
"The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer"."
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On December 04 2010 06:32 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote:
1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early.
Fuck me. Do you guys even read the OP? "The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer"."
Funny. + Show Spoiler +Basically, it means there are 4 players that have their roles tied with the lynch. Now I have two different understandings regarding this statement.
1. Among these 4 players, some benefits from the hammer, some don't.
2. Among these 4 players, some can be the hammer (as in voting last), some can't. Why do I say that? Because my role description prohibits me from being the hammer, or I will be mod-killed. (Oh I just revealed more of my role!)
I think it's likely #2. It would be hard to benefit if you are lynched and dead. Yes, a player might have certain abilities that occurs upon being lynched, but that doesn't really benefit the player in any way, since he is dead. He can't play anymore. The term "fear" and "love" is also hard to apply in this case.
If it were #2, everything would make sense. Certain players have to be the hammer every time, and some can never be the hammer, like me.
I suggest everyone to closely observe the voting patterns from here on. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players.
Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players
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On December 04 2010 06:48 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:32 Fishball wrote:On December 04 2010 06:23 Barundar wrote:
1. What makes you think the hammer isn't red. We know very little of it, and the "axe" claimed pretty early.
Fuck me. Do you guys even read the OP? "The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer"." Funny. + Show Spoiler +Basically, it means there are 4 players that have their roles tied with the lynch. Now I have two different understandings regarding this statement.
1. Among these 4 players, some benefits from the hammer, some don't.
2. Among these 4 players, some can be the hammer (as in voting last), some can't. Why do I say that? Because my role description prohibits me from being the hammer, or I will be mod-killed. (Oh I just revealed more of my role!)
I think it's likely #2. It would be hard to benefit if you are lynched and dead. Yes, a player might have certain abilities that occurs upon being lynched, but that doesn't really benefit the player in any way, since he is dead. He can't play anymore. The term "fear" and "love" is also hard to apply in this case.
If it were #2, everything would make sense. Certain players have to be the hammer every time, and some can never be the hammer, like me.
I suggest everyone to closely observe the voting patterns from here on. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players. Show nested quote + Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players
So what exactly is your question? Are you just repeating what I said?
Anyone could be the Hammer. The last vote to get a person lynched, which ends the day, is the Hammer.
What???
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There isn't even 4 players left for those clues, considering the list of players. Fishball is all over the place with interpretation and guesses, while he has been withholding information for the town.
#vote Fishball
If you want to live you need to reveal more of your role.
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On December 04 2010 06:29 kingjames01 wrote:
LSB, take a position. Who do you think is Red and why?
I'm counting approximately 9 players contributing to this discussion. Where are the rest of the players?
I'm going after the Clue from DoctorH that the Hammer almost hit mafia.
When we look at the Early Day 1 voting, we see that there were two main bandwagons, each with 3 votes at one point of time (and therefore hammerable)
Adani and Coagulation.
Coagulation is confirmed in my eyes, so I'll say Adani then
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The only information I'm withholding is my actual role.
I only speculated and pointed out that 4 players can or cannot be the Hammer. I can't be the Hammer. Anyone who ends the day is the Hammer.
How confusing is this?
On December 04 2010 06:52 Barundar wrote:
If you want to live you need to reveal more of your role.
Is this a threat?
lol, be my guest.
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hardly a threat
More like a pretty accurate observation.
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Sorry, I'm acting like an idiot - should really go get drunk instead. Here is the post I was refering to regarding red hammer:
On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer.
I made up my mind when you claimed Orgo to be scum.
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On December 04 2010 06:58 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:29 kingjames01 wrote:
LSB, take a position. Who do you think is Red and why?
I'm counting approximately 9 players contributing to this discussion. Where are the rest of the players?
I'm going after the Clue from DoctorH that the Hammer almost hit mafia.
On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil
On December 03 2010 03:07 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote:
I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early. Okay, so the axe hint is understandable. deconduo can end the day early. According to the OP, the hammer is supposed to refer to the last vote. Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer". These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer.
The Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia'. The Hammer is the last vote. There might be some element of a retaliation since sometimes it "strikes back." I think there might be something sinister about casting the Hammer. It's possible that the person who casts the Hammer might face consequences.
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On December 04 2010 07:10 Barundar wrote:Sorry, I'm acting like an idiot - should really go get drunk instead. Here is the post I was refering to regarding red hammer: Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote:On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer. I made up my mind when you claimed Orgo to be scum.
Claim =/= Suspect.
I can only Claim what I know for sure.
You really need to get your wording straight.
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is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch?
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On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote:
is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch?
Actually, it's only 7.
This is the current vote tally:
Fishball (7)
orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit), aidnai, Barundar
~OpZ~ (1)
Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres
I think we're just waiting for someone to condemn Fishball now. If you have more things to say in his defense, you better hurry.
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lets just get this over with please
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On December 04 2010 07:44 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote:
is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? Actually, it's only 7. This is the current vote tally: Fishball (7) orgolove, kingjames01, Aeres, jcarlsoniv, annul, Barundar, kingjames01, Coagulation, annul, (Aeres in spirit), aidnai, Barundar ~OpZ~ (1) Coagulation, annul, kingjames01, Aeres I think we're just waiting for someone to condemn Fishball now. If you have more things to say in his defense, you better hurry.
I don't need any condemnation, as my death would tell a lot.
The points I want to emphasize is, the 4 players related to the hammer (3 after my death).
I've talked to DH, and he said this game was based on experiments for vote manipulation.
So yeah, watch the voting patterns.
Bonus note, my death doesn't exactly mean a good thing for Town.
It's really a flip of a coin.
You'll all see, soon enough
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On December 04 2010 07:51 Fishball wrote:Bonus note, my death doesn't exactly mean a good thing for Town. It's really a flip of a coin. You'll all see, soon enough
What? Who's side are you on? If your death is a bad thing for the town and you are supposed to be pro-town, then tell us before you get lynched.
I don't really understand your role. =(
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nice bonus note
thanks for letting us know with 1 vote left!
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If it was purely beneficial to the town, I would have screamed "Lynch me!" from the start, no?
That's why I said I didn't really care if I get lynched or not.
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seems to me if your TOWN and if you getting lynched can hurt town then i see no excuse for "not caring" if you get lynched... you should care.. if your town.
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I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though?
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just finish it
mafia will use him as scapegoat entire game if we dont lynch him now.
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On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though?
Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch.
Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die!
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On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though? Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch. Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die!
actually i would rather let his flip tell us what the rolecheck came back as.
if fishball flips mafia well it wont matter what he says
if fishball flips town its a safe bet it wasnt a mafia type role
if its sensitive information to town then we dont need to revealed to mafia yet.
altho next time i would like to check a person and have the person who received the ROLE to tell me the role not the player name
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Here we come to a question. If we know that a player is a town, but his posting and actions do far more harm to the town than good, do we lynch him or do we keep looking for a red? -_-
I'd think we should cut the cancer we see before we look for the infection inside.
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My computer just crashed. I think I have a virus... =(
On December 04 2010 08:47 deconduo wrote:
Sigh
Lynch Fishball
Anyway, does this mean Fishball is going to get lynched? We never found out what he knows or what the risks were of lynching him.
On December 04 2010 08:54 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though? Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch. Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die! actually i would rather let his flip tell us what the rolecheck came back as. if fishball flips mafia well it wont matter what he says if fishball flips town its a safe bet it wasnt a mafia type role if its sensitive information to town then we dont need to revealed to mafia yet. altho next time i would like to check a person and have the person who received the ROLE to tell me the role not the player name
Well, if Fishball was mafia, then yeah, whatever he says about the Role check would have been a lie. My question is then, why wouldn't he have just faked a result so that we wouldn't pressure him?
If Fishball was Town, then maybe the reason why he did reveal the Role check was that whatever was revealed would be better kept a secret. However, if that is true, then why didn't he just say so?
His behaviour this game was so strange. I'm very interested to see what role he he got.
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Lol. I'm town. Don't you guys dare lynch me.
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well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him.
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One thing that has been bothering me is that fishball has revealed nothing about what his role will do when he gets lynched. I want to know at least a little something about his powers.
Also, I want to add that I will lose my voting power once I die.
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Here....let me make things a little more funny.
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On December 04 2010 08:47 deconduo wrote:
Sigh
Lynch Fishball
Karma~
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On December 04 2010 09:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Here....let me make things a little more funny.
Day action?
1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it?
2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town.
Sounds like a soft claim red here.
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OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.
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*hug* there there Opz, no need to cry.
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On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
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Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar
Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie - Veteran role
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher?
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Just got back home now from the gym. Yay weekend!
On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though?
What exactly do you mean by "effort"? An effort to avoid the lynch? Nope. An effort to fill in the Town with what I've got, as much as I can? Yup.
On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch.
Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die!
I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this.
On December 04 2010 08:56 orgolove wrote:
Here we come to a question. If we know that a player is a town, but his posting and actions do far more harm to the town than good, do we lynch him or do we keep looking for a red? -_-
I'd think we should cut the cancer we see before we look for the infection inside.
So I quoted your post, but I've come to a conclusion that I will just be giving the same reply as the previous two. I'll comment on this after the game ends... if you are Town.
On December 04 2010 09:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Lol. I'm town. Don't you guys dare lynch me.
Lynch him, he is OverPowerZ.
On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him.
Dude, are you nuts? If I lie and survive this lynch, all I'm doing is getting a guaranteed 2nd death. If what you say is true, the most harm I have done, is wasting a lynch for Town.
On December 04 2010 09:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Karma~
My ass, you bailed from the game.
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EBWODP: I forgot to fix jcarlsoniv's role based on what he said.
On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. No ability to vote.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
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Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar
Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie - Veteran role
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher?
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On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.
I have a hard time picturing this.
It's like Idra being humble, well mannered and teddy bear like.
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On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Here....let me make things a little more funny. Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here.
Dude, you're so lol.
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On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote:Just got back home now from the gym. Yay weekend! Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote:
I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though? What exactly do you mean by "effort"? An effort to avoid the lynch? Nope. An effort to fill in the Town with what I've got, as much as I can? Yup. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch.
Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die!
I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 08:56 orgolove wrote:
Here we come to a question. If we know that a player is a town, but his posting and actions do far more harm to the town than good, do we lynch him or do we keep looking for a red? -_-
I'd think we should cut the cancer we see before we look for the infection inside. So I quoted your post, but I've come to a conclusion that I will just be giving the same reply as the previous two. I'll comment on this after the game ends... if you are Town. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:14 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Lol. I'm town. Don't you guys dare lynch me. Lynch him, he is Over Power Z. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. Dude, are you nuts? If I lie and survive this lynch, all I'm doing is getting a guaranteed 2nd death. If what you say is true, the most harm I have done, is wasting a lynch for Town. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On December 04 2010 08:47 deconduo wrote:
Sigh
Lynch Fishball Karma~ My ass, you bailed from the game.
Fishball, you got what you wanted and were lynched. deconduo cast the Hammer.
On December 04 2010 09:03 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, if Fishball was mafia, then yeah, whatever he says about the Role check would have been a lie. My question is then, why wouldn't he have just faked a result so that we wouldn't pressure him?
If Fishball was Town, then maybe the reason why he did reveal the Role check was that whatever was revealed would be better kept a secret. However, if that is true, then why didn't he just say so?
His behaviour this game was so strange. I'm very interested to see what role he he got.
Also, I suggested that the reason you didn't reveal the results of the DT check was that it "would be better kept a secret." You should have just said so though and we would have spent our time discussing other things.
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I vote to lynch ~OpZ~ anyway. I hate crying children.
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I just got confirmation from DoctorHelvetica that he knows about the lynch.
He says that he is on his way home and there is to be no changing votes now.
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Night 2
Fishball was shot by firing squad. Because he was the Priest, the angry wrath of god struck down the person who condemned him.
Deconduo the Executioner was killed.
Priest - You can not cast the hammer (deciding vote). If someone casts the hammer on you, they will die.
The Executioner - You can only vote if you are casting the hammer (the deciding vote). In addition you can end a lynch that has just half of the required votes every other day cycle and lynch the target automatically.
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What were we supposed to have done in that situation? Fishball was more of a detriment than an asset to the town, but there was no way to get rid of him barring two town deaths.
Doc, you suck.
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and if a mafia hammered him i'd be awesome right :D
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No, you'd still suck because the Priest is a shitty-ass role. =(
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And you gave it to a player who wasn't all that fond about winning.
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Also, wasn't Deconduo the only person that could've been the hammer? So, town was fucked either way.
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no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle.
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On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote:
No, you'd still suck because the Priest is a shitty-ass role. =(
lol, that was my first PM to DH when I got my role.
On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote:
And you gave it to a player who wasn't all that fond about winning.
Depends how you look at it really. Hey, I didn't lie about anything, did I?
I've said what needs to be said. I'll leave the rest for post game.
GT5 here I come
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Don't say I didn't warn you.
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Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter
But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_<
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Haha, well, I'll hand it to you Doc, that sure is an interesting role. I like it.
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DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful.
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On December 04 2010 10:09 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case. I have a hard time picturing this. It's like Idra being humble, well mannered and teddy bear like.
Hahaha I agree
On December 04 2010 10:21 Aeres wrote:
What were we supposed to have done in that situation? Fishball was more of a detriment than an asset to the town, but there was no way to get rid of him barring two town deaths.
Doc, you suck.
This is why you don't lynch people due to 'tells'. Some people play scummyly. Not everyone plays the same. Just look at past games.
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well i knew lynching fishball was a bad idea.
tried to save you man but you did a fantastic job of making everyone think your scum
I have no idea why you would want to do that.
very disappointed.
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On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote:
DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful.
LSB, I thought you were the tracker?
Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia.
Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit.
Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did.
Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.
The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town.
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On December 04 2010 13:31 Coagulation wrote:
well i knew lynching fishball was a bad idea.
tried to save you man but you did a fantastic job of making everyone think your scum
I have no idea why you would want to do that.
very disappointed.
He did what he thought was the best chance to take down a mafia with him. He needed to act like scum so he could get lynched for his "hammer strikes evil" ability to activate. Unfortunately, by getting lynched he ran the risk of reducing our voting power by 2.
I don't know how else he would have been able to be lynched, in all honesty. It's not like you can just announce it to the thread. No mafia will cast the last vote knowing that they're going to die.
Also, I did try to warn everyone that the Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia' like LSB suggested. It was more likely that the Hammer was going to retaliate against the person who casted it.
On December 04 2010 07:19 kingjames01 wrote:
The Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia'. The Hammer is the last vote. There might be some element of a retaliation since sometimes it "strikes back." I think there might be something sinister about casting the Hammer. It's possible that the person who casts the Hammer might face consequences.
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medic feel free to protect me tonight im sure i will be a target.
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Yes, as I was thinking about it, Fishball played that as well as he could have. As much as I wanted more info about his role, he couldn't reveal anything or the mafia wouldn't ever have placed the last vote on him.
Although him claiming the Spirit wasn't really correct. I can see how he might have thought that, but the preacher clue was obviously more pointed towards him.
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On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote:
DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful. LSB, I thought you were the tracker? Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town.
Don't protect me, my role is useless now.
The PM I get isn't going to change, everyone has the same roles, same actions.
Go protect the DTs
(I'm not tracker)
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fuck it im just gonna end the night when i get everyones actions
i work too late tomorrow and im too tired
plus i hate it when people change too much. I have all night actions. you people have 30 minutes to make your decisions.
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I am disappoint.
Fishball was so scummy. How else were we supposed to act?
You know DrH, the priest role idea was pretty good if you didn't also put in a blue role that was specifically limited to a hammer vote. But the way you modeled it, it was almost inevitable 2 greens would die.
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Yeah I realized that.
The executioner will almost always kill the priest and they can't be in the same game together
remember this game is for me to learn how different roles work in game. it's an experiment NOT an attempt at a balanced game.
testing out shit hopefully for the next REAL insane mafia, so be happy you can guinea pig for this. i have another experimental mini mafia coming up directly after this one.
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On December 04 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fuck it im just gonna end the night when i get everyones actions
i work too late tomorrow and im too tired
plus i hate it when people change too much. I have all night actions. you people have 30 minutes to make your decisions.
drh = caller?
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Why extend the night for 24 hours if I have all night actions? I really don't see the point of that.
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no i agree you just said night ends in 30 minutes like 2 hours ago
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Damn, Fishball, you played that pretty terribly. :/ You would've been much more useful playing for the town. It's gonna be damn near impossible to lynch mafia now. Here's hoping some kind of vigi manages to get a good hit off tonight.
Sorry that I haven't been around lately. I've had a hectic couple of days. I'll post some of my suspicious come daytime, depending on how the night goes.
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since night is over.
##Vote Node
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Day 3
3 bodies were found floating in a pool in the morning.
Coagulation, Barundar, and LSB were all killed. The town took a devastating hit as they lost 3 of their most valuable members.
Coagulation the Whisperer, Barundar the Radar Tech, and LSB the hobo have been killed.
The Whisperer - You can send messages to other players anonymously. PM me the message and the name of the message you want sent and I will PM it to them. You can not hint at who you are/use your screenname in the message. You win if the town wins.
The Radar Tech - You own a special radar that can check if people are mafia. Choose a player at night to shoot a radar gun at. At the end of the night you get a list of people who visited them (including them) and how many of them were mafia.
Hobo - You spend all day drunk in the town square. Because you stay in shady places, you have an idea of what everybody did at night but are too drunk to remember who they were. You know all night actions but not the names of the players who did them. You win if the town wins.
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Lol WTF just happened.
So Coag wasn't a DT.
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God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch.
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oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard
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On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard
Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD
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gl town your gonna need it. i will explain my actions post game
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On December 05 2010 02:55 Coagulation wrote:
gl town your gonna need it. i will explain my actions post game
Uh oh...this worries me.
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On December 05 2010 03:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:55 Coagulation wrote:
gl town your gonna need it. i will explain my actions post game Uh oh...this worries me.
Oh WOW thought I was reading Sengoku xD
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So on day one there was just one KP, but on day 2 there's 3 KP?
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maybe there is a night vig somewhere
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On December 05 2010 03:32 orgolove wrote:
So on day one there was just one KP, but on day 2 there's 3 KP?
There could have been 2 KP, but someone used the pharmacists pill to protect themselves?
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Of all the games I played here, I've never gotten one information role. And I see coagulation getting it 3 times (twice as blue, once as a mafia). Sigh.
So our night vig was also dumb and killed one of our two trackers?
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well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig
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On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote:
maybe there is a night vig somewhere
No, I disagree with this statement. I don't think that there is a Night Vigilante; at least not a Town-aligned one.
On December 05 2010 01:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day 3 3 bodies were found floating in a pool in the morning.
Why would a pro-town vigilante dump the body in the same place as the other hits? If we believe that at least one of these 3 were killed by the mafia, we should assume that all of them were.
On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig
So let's suppose that we have an anti-town Night Vigilante running around. Then only 2 of the 3 victims are accounted for. So what happened to Barundar?
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On December 05 2010 04:24 orgolove wrote:
Of all the games I played here, I've never gotten one information role. And I see coagulation getting it 3 times (twice as blue, once as a mafia). Sigh.
So our night vig was also dumb and killed one of our two trackers?
Coagulation did not have an information role. He lied about that. He had the ability to send anonymous PM's to people. Most likely on the first night he sent a PM to Fishball so that Fishball would 'confirm' him as a DT.
Now that I'm thinking about it, Coagulation probably believed Barundar was the first DT and decided to screen for the second DT. He used his ability to PM to confirm that to the town and he successfully drew a hit from the mafia.
I'm going to go on the record and commend Coagulation for that move since it definitely saved the other DT.
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On December 05 2010 01:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
since night is over.
##Vote Node
I just saw this. This is the only vote cast so far.
~OpZ~: What is your reason? I can't find any justification for this. You are confirmed to be Town, so I know you're not trying to trick us, but we need to be cautious who we put our votes on.
As far as I can tell, he hasn't been active at all this game. However, I am not going to place my vote on him to pressure him at this time. Each time that we have done that, we played into the mafia's plans.
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I've just looked through all of Node's posts and although he is definitely not active, he just doesn't seem suspicious enough for me to vote. I guess I'm going to have to wait and hear ~OpZ~'s comments.
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Holy...
3 night kills seems like too much for scum, we must have had a vig waste a hit, no? The possibilities as I see it are
1) 2KP + 1 special, 1KP was successfully stopped by town night 1. I suppose this is possible based on the number of pharmacists, often mafia kp will not be less than the number of medics.
2) 1KP + 1 special + 1 vigilante missed. I know the hints haven't exactly specified a vig, but then, the zombie was actually a vet...
I don't think there could be 2 special kp for mafia used the same night, right?
On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch.
I was wondering about this myself. Either he gambled that mafia wouldn't hit him and saved the pill again instead of taking it, or the mafia had some workaround for offing him. I can't think of any other possibilities...
I am very disappointed that we haven't been able to lynch a scum yet. I thought southrawrea was a decent target. With Fishball we kinda got screwed by the balance/role conflict thing, and yeah, that is making it pretty tough for town at this point. Five town in a single day night cycle, including a lot of information roles...crazy.
Regarding fishball's play: now that we know coag's real role, I agree it looks like coag coordinated with fishball to confirm coag's fake dt role. This explains why fishball withheld the information gained from the 'rolecheck'. Also, the only chance fishball had of using his role to benefit town was to make himself an easy lynch and not give away the nature of his role. I understand why he didn’t like his role too, since there’s really no way to influence your own lynch to make sure a mafia last hits you... maybe he should have been allowed to choose anyone that voted for him. Another way to solve it would be to make the executioner a mafia role perhaps.
All that being said, I think I understand fishball’s play decently, but I'm still not sure why coag picked fishball for his ploy...
Time to discuss lynch targets -_-
I have my suspicions on a particular person right now, but I want to make a very good analysis before i post it.
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On December 05 2010 06:38 aidnai wrote:
Holy...
3 night kills seems like too much for scum, we must have had a vig waste a hit, no? The possibilities as I see it are
1) 2KP + 1 special, 1KP was successfully stopped by town night 1. I suppose this is possible based on the number of pharmacists, often mafia kp will not be less than the number of medics.
2) 1KP + 1 special + 1 vigilante missed. I know the hints haven't exactly specified a vig, but then, the zombie was actually a vet...
I don't think there could be 2 special kp for mafia used the same night, right?
Again, I'm going to say that there cannot be a town-aligned Night Vigilante. In the following post, I point out that a pro-town Vigilante cannot be the answer to how 3 players got eliminated last night.
On December 05 2010 04:57 kingjames01 wrote:No, I disagree with this statement. I don't think that there is a Night Vigilante; at least not a Town-aligned one. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 01:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day 3 3 bodies were found floating in a pool in the morning. Why would a pro-town vigilante dump the body in the same place as the other hits? If we believe that at least one of these 3 were killed by the mafia, we should assume that all of them were. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig So let's suppose that we have an anti-town Night Vigilante running around. Then only 2 of the 3 victims are accounted for. So what happened to Barundar?
On December 05 2010 06:38 aidnai wrote:
Time to discuss lynch targets -_-
I have my suspicions on a particular person right now, but I want to make a very good analysis before i post it.
Okay, so who is your suspect and where is this analysis?
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Promise, I got a big post coming up.
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On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil
Is anyone around. I would like to bounce some ideas around in the thread. Kinda got me thinking....
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I'm here. What's got you thinking?
I posted my thoughts about that clue. I can go dig it up if you want.
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I posted this just before deconduo cast the Hammer and got Fishball lynched.
On December 04 2010 07:19 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:58 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 06:29 kingjames01 wrote:
LSB, take a position. Who do you think is Red and why?
I'm counting approximately 9 players contributing to this discussion. Where are the rest of the players?
I'm going after the Clue from DoctorH that the Hammer almost hit mafia. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:07 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn On December 03 2010 02:56 deconduo wrote:
I'm the axe. So someone else is the hammer. On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early. Okay, so the axe hint is understandable. deconduo can end the day early. According to the OP, the hammer is supposed to refer to the last vote. On November 29 2010 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer". These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer. The Hammer did not 'almost hit mafia'. The Hammer is the last vote. There might be some element of a retaliation since sometimes it "strikes back." I think there might be something sinister about casting the Hammer. It's possible that the person who casts the Hammer might face consequences.
Then DrH posted this which confirmed my suspicion.
On December 04 2010 10:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Night 2 Fishball was shot by firing squad. Because he was the Priest, the angry wrath of god struck down the person who condemned him. Show nested quote +Priest - You can not cast the hammer (deciding vote). If someone casts the hammer on you, they will die.
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Awesome. Your here. Sorry, haven't checked in a minute. Been thoroughly rereading everything. What are your thoughts on Node? Seriously. My notes on him so far....Consist of...
"13. Node
Scolds Coag for not just stepping up and running a town circle.
Comes up with some role ideas. Comes up with some ideas how other roles work, after people are explaining already. Then spams. And becomes inactive. Makes fun at Fishball's epic attempt."
Fishball wanted to be killed by someone, and he figured the mafia would jump a later bandwagon. Hence is wanting of an early death.
I dunno. Anyway, I'm resupporting aidinai, but I'm taking another look at Ghrur. Your thoughts on him? He was going after Decoundo, who now we know was for sure town, after a run of votes had already occurred. Not too certain, but kinda suspicious of him.
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Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)?
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On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers?
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On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)?
I said kinda, and why wouldn't a mafia go after him so hard?
He had arguably a decent amount of scummy posts day one, and then you apologized crazily. You laughed he used a role wrongly. I dunno....seems cockily teasing to me. You been rather jocular all game actually, besides your posts with him. Your last posts have been pretty spammy, and not to mention you haven't done anything since posting analysis on Decoundo. Dr. H didn't post the final vote counts in the last day post, which is kinda messing with me.
Aidnai stopped posting too.
Jcarl needs to explain why lynching him would be bad for the town. If its bad for the town, then we don't want to do it, but how would not telling us why benefit the mafia.
Don't have much done on Annul, his arguments with KJ scrambled my brains a little, but it was completely irrelevant.
And why couldn't Aeres vote fishball either. Peculiar.
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On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)?
In addition, I'm more interested in towniness being proven now. We kinda need it.
Fishball Priest
Coagulation Whisperer
3. ghrur
barundar Radar Tech
5. Orgolove Veteran
6. Aidnai
7. ~OpZ~ Innocent Child
8. jcarlsoniv
9. annul
deconduo
LSB Hobo
12. kingjames01
13. Node
SouthRawrea Psychic
15. Aeres
KingJames needs to go back to scum hunting himself, but I'm more interested in Aidnai claiming. He said he would claim day two? Did I miss it too?
Me and Oroglove are confirmed. This should be pretty simple to figure out.
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On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers?
=) Are you going to spam to get to 1000?
On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)?
Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play.
You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch.
What else can you say?
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On December 05 2010 13:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? In addition, I'm more interested in towniness being proven now. We kinda need it. Fishball Priest
Coagulation Whisperer3. ghrur barundar Radar Tech
5. Orgolove Veteran6. Aidnai 7. ~OpZ~ Innocent Child8. jcarlsoniv 9. annul deconduo
LSB Hobo12. kingjames01 13. Node SouthRawrea Psychic15. Aeres KingJames needs to go back to scum hunting himself, but I'm more interested in Aidnai claiming. He said he would claim day two? Did I miss it too? Me and Oroglove are confirmed. This should be pretty simple to figure out.
I have been trying to hide myself until I can contribute more. My scum-hunting in other games have led me to early exits via Night Kills so I've deliberately toned down my analysis.
However, I'm at the point where I think we might have to take big risks if we want to salvage some chance at winning the game.
If I reveal my role and what I've found then I'm going to want assurances that I am protected tonight. I can do more for the town if I wait one more Night, but I don't think we really have the luxury of waiting.
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On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000?
Ouch. T_T That hurts.
On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)?
Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play.
You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch.
What else can you say? [/QUOTE]
I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago.
Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game?
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EBWODP:
On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000?
Ouch. T_T That hurts.
Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say?
I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago.
Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game?
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On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:EBWODP: Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game?
The problem is that we can't just lynch based on who's inactive anymore. We need to find 3 mafia and you've just named 3 players. Including yourself, that's 4. I went through your posts and I think I found your hint. Why should we focus our search on someone else and not you?
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On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts.
Also, I didn't mean this to be an insult! =) It was a joke. Good luck getting to 1000! Make sure you don't waste it on a small post by accident.
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On December 05 2010 14:15 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:EBWODP: On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? The problem is that we can't just lynch based on who's inactive anymore. We need to find 3 mafia and you've just named 3 players. Including yourself, that's 4. I went through your posts and I think I found your hint. Why should we focus our search on someone else and not you?
Idk, do the analysis. I want to see you scumhunt KJ. If you really believe you should focus your search on me, then do it. It'll go nowhere, especially if you've found my clue, but if you're scum, all the better right?
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On December 05 2010 14:57 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:15 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:EBWODP: On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? The problem is that we can't just lynch based on who's inactive anymore. We need to find 3 mafia and you've just named 3 players. Including yourself, that's 4. I went through your posts and I think I found your hint. Why should we focus our search on someone else and not you? Idk, do the analysis. I want to see you scumhunt KJ. If you really believe you should focus your search on me, then do it. It'll go nowhere, especially if you've found my clue, but if you're scum, all the better right?
No, I don't think you understand what I mean. Think about it from everyone else's perspective. Based on what I think you are, I can't reveal you. But if I were to just conclude that we shouldn't lynch you and everyone should take my word for it, we'll be pegged as mafia.
You need to defend yourself to the town, and I cannot do it for you.
However, if you promise to help me survive the Night then I'll support you during the Day.
If you can assure me that we will mutually support each other then I will reveal everything I know.
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On December 05 2010 15:06 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:57 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 14:15 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:EBWODP: On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? The problem is that we can't just lynch based on who's inactive anymore. We need to find 3 mafia and you've just named 3 players. Including yourself, that's 4. I went through your posts and I think I found your hint. Why should we focus our search on someone else and not you? Idk, do the analysis. I want to see you scumhunt KJ. If you really believe you should focus your search on me, then do it. It'll go nowhere, especially if you've found my clue, but if you're scum, all the better right? No, I don't think you understand what I mean. Think about it from everyone else's perspective. Based on what I think you are, I can't reveal you. But if I were to just conclude that we shouldn't lynch you and everyone should take my word for it, we'll be pegged as mafia. You need to defend yourself to the town, and I cannot do it for you. However, if you promise to help me survive the Night then I'll support you during the Day. If you can assure me that we will mutually support each other then I will reveal everything I know.
I'm not asking you to defend me. I'll defend myself if people try to lynch me. However, until a formal accusation is made, or people start bandwagoning me, I feel no need to formally defend myself.
I can't promise to help you survive. All I can promise is that I won't try and push you during the day. For the night, you're going to have to post all that you know and convince our pharmacists that you're valuable enough to be saved. In that matter, I have no say.
I will support you if you reveal everything you know, but only if that happens.
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On December 05 2010 13:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? I said kinda, and why wouldn't a mafia go after him so hard? He had arguably a decent amount of scummy posts day one, and then you apologized crazily. You laughed he used a role wrongly. I dunno....seems cockily teasing to me. You been rather jocular all game actually, besides your posts with him. Your last posts have been pretty spammy, and not to mention you haven't done anything since posting analysis on Decoundo. Dr. H didn't post the final vote counts in the last day post, which is kinda messing with me. Aidnai stopped posting too. Jcarl needs to explain why lynching him would be bad for the town. If its bad for the town, then we don't want to do it, but how would not telling us why benefit the mafia. Don't have much done on Annul, his arguments with KJ scrambled my brains a little, but it was completely irrelevant. And why couldn't Aeres vote fishball either. Peculiar.
I apologized crazily? Idk, I didn't realize that. I was just saying, yeah, he's town after him roleclaiming. I hope I don't come off as cocky... And I'm acting peculiar because it helps to have different styles for different games right? :p
Aidnai stopping posting seems suspicious to me. That being said, his last post wasn't particularly useful. He also promised an analysis which, as KJ pointed out, never appeared.
As for annul...
+ Show Spoiler [annul] +On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote:
btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL Nothing On November 30 2010 13:10 annul wrote:
only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today Nothing On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball Weakly supported vote which follows the bandwagon started by Orgolove On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
uh
orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing. Seems like WIFOM speculation to me. On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games Dig at KJ. No point. Drags us off course. Gets a player distracted for what reason? None. On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems
but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed.
at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good.
PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle Continuing with the bickering. No point except to disrupt. Disruption seems good for mafia... On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments"
big big difference Continuing still. On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku..
but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? Continuing still, but says "back to the game", but watch this. On December 01 2010 06:51 annul wrote:
to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am.
so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well. NOT BACK TO THE GAME. :D Continued bickering, yay? On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote:
so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use Or that could be wifom and it's really just he was forced to change his vote because of randomness as was shown later. On December 01 2010 11:39 annul wrote:
i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what Correcto! On December 01 2010 11:40 annul wrote:
preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard) Wrongo! On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote:
wow
drh says that he has hinted to all roles
where is the vote redirection role hint?
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow The system is corrupt? On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously Nothing really. =/ On December 02 2010 02:37 annul wrote:
hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever.
seriously how is there a better target than this Pushing fishball, still informally. No concrete analysis yet. On December 02 2010 03:01 annul wrote:
yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it. Again, nothing. On December 02 2010 05:45 annul wrote:the fishball issue is as follows: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing Reiterating his arguments without anything new... what's the point. If we've read it once, we've probably read it 100 times. Really, this just seems to me the scum idea of "don't give away any information while seeming like you're helping" type deal. On December 02 2010 05:46 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch wat Nothing. On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early. (Note: After Decond's role claim) Yes, yes it does. Especially since Decond claimed he was the Axe(executioner) who strikes early. Nothing On December 03 2010 06:56 annul wrote:
hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3 Spam (ironic coming from me now KJ? <3) On December 04 2010 04:54 annul wrote:
um
fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies.
why arent we insta-voting him? He never claimed he gets more powers when he dies. He claimed his power ACTIVATES when he dies. Big difference there. Kinda like saying your analysis has bad logic, and you have bad logic. :p And that seems more like a townie role than a mafia role when you think super saint like on mafia wiki. =/ On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball Adding nothing new. Same reasons as before. Although, i don't get why he says lynching a spirit is a good lynch... Let's see here: Lynching a spirit means we don't lynch a mafia. Lynching a spirit means the spirit gets limited votes instead of unlimited. Lynching a spirit means we go to night again without much information on who's mafia, and we let mafia retain their KPs... not that good actually unless you're mafia. On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote:
he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit? Fishball sucks for making this a possible mistake. On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role). Wait, what? Are you basically saying Fishball's a townie yet we should still lynch him? I don't get it. On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
coagulation
was there a hint to a traitor role? Nothing. On December 04 2010 05:09 annul wrote:
... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me. Nothing. On December 04 2010 05:11 annul wrote:
i missed it then.
whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz? Throwing out random names? Cool. On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). Basis for this? Like, hint that matches? On December 04 2010 05:13 annul wrote:
oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis Nothing. On December 04 2010 05:14 annul wrote:
but okay then.
##unvote fishball
##vote ~opz~ Whoa. Wishi-washiness. Wtf happened to your endless days of pushing for Fishball. Because of 3 posts by Coag and Barundar? Really? On December 04 2010 05:35 annul wrote:
##unvote ~opz~
##vote fishball
i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch. Again, what? Changing your votes. And also saying townies benefit from being lynched? No. You had a role description from Jcarl. You don't benefit from being lynched even as spirit; you just get limited posts. I don't understand where you get this lynching townie=beneficial idea. Not to mention, it seems like a ploy to get town to mis-lynch for a day. On December 04 2010 05:36 annul wrote:
Fishball:
Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul
opz:
aeres
is this correct? Easy way to be useful as mafia. On December 04 2010 06:31 annul wrote:
KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite Distraction to try and get town off track again? Idk if he's trolling at this point, but why would townies want to troll? Scum move imo. On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote:
is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? Uhhh, pointless? On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. Pointless post again. On December 04 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle. Nothing. On December 04 2010 16:10 annul wrote:
drh = caller? Nothing. On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote:
maybe there is a night vig somewhere Nothing. guesses based on nothing. On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig But... this only explains 2 deaths out of 3... are you trying to lead us off track? I don't get it. Overall, Annul's posts have been really unhelpful. =/ It just doesn't feel like the same annul from Sengoku. It's hard to tell between apathetic townie right now, or mafia, but the note about "he's a townie, it'd help him if we lynch him" seems EXTREMELY scummy.
See if you agree.
For aeres, I feel aside from a few posts here, he hasn't been scummy:
+ Show Spoiler [aeres] +About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging.
As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that.
RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative.
##Vote Aidnai To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain.
##Unvote Aidnai
God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. Votes Aidnai only because of following RoL/more experienced player. C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. He says we should scumhunt instead of going off OMGUS, yet he never does it himself. For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said.
##Vote SouthRawrea
I just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =(
Not really too scummy, but votes SouthRawrea for no reason really, and ends up securing the bandwagon for Decond's first axe. After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
##Vote Fishball
I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / Once again votes with other's analyses. Doesn't really do his own on people. ##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. Once again votes because of someone else's reasoning. ....Fuck.
Fucking fuck. And an overreaction on the day post. Although, this is explainable because that was really screwed up. >_< And since then, he hasn't posted... which is strangely weird. I feel like he has scummy posts, but I also feel like his other posts are helping to contribute by analyzing the hints. This is different than annul who basically posted nothing, and accused using the same info again and again. Aeres seems more like unsure about who he wants to vote/unsure of his ideas instead of trying to hide information.
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let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"?
and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too?
maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm
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On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right?
nothing
On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.
nothing
On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend
posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k
On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^
just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts
On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_>
nothing post
On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol.
admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess
On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai
nothing post, bandwagon follower
On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_<
nothing post
On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP
admission of wrongness, see above
On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p
"HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much?
On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/
wifom
On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea.
as much "nothing" as some of mine
On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch.
nothing
On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD
nothing
On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)?
this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself?
On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers?
nothing
On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say?
I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago.
Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? [/QUOTE]
im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool
soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too
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Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
For the people calling me out on inactivity, I am posting with the same regularity as I have all game, and Salem as well. One or two posts a day means less spam, more thought.
On December 05 2010 13:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...
KingJames needs to go back to scum hunting himself, but I'm more interested in Aidnai claiming. He said he would claim day two? Did I miss it too?
Me and Oroglove are confirmed. This should be pretty simple to figure out.
Why are you interested in me claiming? Role claims have been pretty bad for town so far.
I said I would claim if I had to in response to the situation where the hammer clue from dr.h seemed to be saying that my near-lynch experience day indicated i was scum. That got cleared up afterwards by additional hints from DrH (deconduo was axe guy, not hammer), so no need for the roleclaim.
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On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote:
let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"?
I'm sorry, it just seemed that it was pretty obvious that this was the way it worked since it's what decond stated in his roleclaim. People don't need to clarify what can easily be read. Something posts would be things that one logically infers. =/ It's like, my question about PMs is completely nothing, but if I inferred that somebody probably had a role to PM, it'd be something. But suppose that is a something post. Does that make the rest of your posts into something as well? Does that make your posts like,
and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too?
I'm quite sure Doc and RoL called both of you out on it, but I wasn't calling you out on your argument. I was calling you out on the fact that you started it. There was no need to bring something from Sengoku into this game, especially when it would only cause disruption and anger between you two, unless you were mafia or you really couldn't keep your grudges away. I disagree with both. =/
And do you really want my analysis? You don't seem to trust it one bit. Why make me spam more, and post more nothing when clearly you'd dismiss it in a moment?
maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm
I'm waiting for him to tell me everything, but I can't protect anyone. I'd only support him if he comes up with good analyses. Otherwise, why should I? Hell, I'd push for his lynch after that promise.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote:nothing[/quote[ Mistake Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. nothing Correcting my own mistake. It's nothing, but technically, it's clarification. You agree with my standard then? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k Uhhh, there's a reason. I stated it right there. Is there a reason, and is there logic behind it? Let's see. Reason = I wanna make "inactives" talk. Logic = "These people haven't posted yet" So yes, there is logic and reason, but the premise was wrong. I posted this much too early, and you're correct on that, but to say there's no logic and reason behind it is wrong. It's just it was flawed because of a flawed foundation. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts Yeah, I've agreed to this before haven't I? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> nothing post Actually, that was hoping to get a response out of Decond because I still suspected him at the time. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess Or... I'd actually admit my mistakes unlike some people? I admit when I'm wrong, and I admit when I post nothing. *GASP* THAT MUST BE SO MAFIA LIKE! Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai nothing post, bandwagon follower Actually, if you read the post of mine above this, with Decond's post and everything, I give my ideas behind why this is. I don't quote any of his posts, but I say what I felt when I read through his posts. Sorry if I don't keep quotes with my notes, but it is what it is (day9 ^_^). Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< nothing post Yes, yes it was. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP admission of wrongness, see above Yes, yes it is. See response above. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? If there's interesting stuff in paragraph 1, why're you posting it to say I post nothing? And why is it mafia if it seems like I want to signal stuff? Didn't I say I left a hint somewhere in the thread recently about my role? It's because I DO WANT TO SIGNAL STUFF. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ wifom Uhhh, what? I think you're using it wrong. I was stating possibilities of the plan going wrong due to unknowns, not saying it would OBVIOUSLY be like this, therefore it COULDN'T have been like this. I think you'd be better off saying idiocy because that's much closer, lol. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. as much "nothing" as some of mine Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD nothing agreed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? Are you trying to fish for my role here? I mean, it's pretty obvious why you drop hints for town to find, because Mafia wouldn't get them. If I cried out I'M DETECTIVE, would it be better than dropping hints and leading lynches because I'm detective? No, because the former would get me killed in a hurry and the latter would give me a better chance of survival and thus to be useful. Besides, you dropped hints that you had a role in Sengoku, does that make you scum? No! Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? nothing Hey, at least help on the question here. I'm truly interested in when my icon changes again, and I don't wanna sort through tons of flying, artsy buffaloes. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool Yeah, at least I post analyses... despite how pissed off people get at them, despite how they're wrong a lot, and despite that I seem to be making more enemies with each one. Also, interesting soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too
Except I don't pick and choose your posts. I take them as a collection. Your goal here was to aggressively counter, like most mafia members would. Take Ace in Insane, take Jimbosilvers in Salem what do they do when they're under suspicion? They aggressively counter attack and try to cast doubt on the person suspecting them. And you know what else they do? They twist words and ignore posts just to make their point. You seem to be ignoring a lot of my posts. Interesting huh? You also seem to be aggressively attacking me instead of pacifically defending yourself.
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+ Show Spoiler [EBWODP] +On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote:
let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"? I'm sorry, it just seemed that it was pretty obvious that this was the way it worked since it's what decond stated in his roleclaim. People don't need to clarify what can easily be read. Something posts would be things that one logically infers. =/ It's like, my question about PMs is completely nothing, but if I inferred that somebody probably had a role to PM, it'd be something. But suppose that is a something post. Does that make the rest of your posts into something as well? Does that make your posts like, and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games into something that helps town? and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too? I'm quite sure Doc and RoL called both of you out on it, but I wasn't calling you out on your argument. I was calling you out on the fact that you started it. There was no need to bring something from Sengoku into this game, especially when it would only cause disruption and anger between you two, unless you were mafia or you really couldn't keep your grudges away. I disagree with both. =/ And do you really want my analysis? You don't seem to trust it one bit. Why make me spam more, and post more nothing when clearly you'd dismiss it in a moment? maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm I'm waiting for him to tell me everything, but I can't protect anyone. I'd only support him if he comes up with good analyses. Otherwise, why should I? Hell, I'd push for his lynch after that promise. + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote:nothing[/quote[ Mistake Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. nothing Correcting my own mistake. It's nothing, but technically, it's clarification. You agree with my standard then? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k Uhhh, there's a reason. I stated it right there. Is there a reason, and is there logic behind it? Let's see. Reason = I wanna make "inactives" talk. Logic = "These people haven't posted yet" So yes, there is logic and reason, but the premise was wrong. I posted this much too early, and you're correct on that, but to say there's no logic and reason behind it is wrong. It's just it was flawed because of a flawed foundation. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts Yeah, I've agreed to this before haven't I? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> nothing post Actually, that was hoping to get a response out of Decond because I still suspected him at the time. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess Or... I'd actually admit my mistakes unlike some people? I admit when I'm wrong, and I admit when I post nothing. *GASP* THAT MUST BE SO MAFIA LIKE! Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai nothing post, bandwagon follower Actually, if you read the post of mine above this, with Decond's post and everything, I give my ideas behind why this is. I don't quote any of his posts, but I say what I felt when I read through his posts. Sorry if I don't keep quotes with my notes, but it is what it is (day9 ^_^). Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< nothing post Yes, yes it was. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP admission of wrongness, see above Yes, yes it is. See response above. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? If there's interesting stuff in paragraph 1, why're you posting it to say I post nothing? And why is it mafia if it seems like I want to signal stuff? Didn't I say I left a hint somewhere in the thread recently about my role? It's because I DO WANT TO SIGNAL STUFF. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ wifom Uhhh, what? I think you're using it wrong. I was stating possibilities of the plan going wrong due to unknowns, not saying it would OBVIOUSLY be like this, therefore it COULDN'T have been like this. I think you'd be better off saying idiocy because that's much closer, lol. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. as much "nothing" as some of mine Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD nothing agreed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? Are you trying to fish for my role here? I mean, it's pretty obvious why you drop hints for town to find, because Mafia wouldn't get them. If I cried out I'M DETECTIVE, would it be better than dropping hints and leading lynches because I'm detective? No, because the former would get me killed in a hurry and the latter would give me a better chance of survival and thus to be useful. Besides, you dropped hints that you had a role in Sengoku, does that make you scum? No! Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? nothing Hey, at least help on the question here. I'm truly interested in when my icon changes again, and I don't wanna sort through tons of flying, artsy buffaloes. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool Yeah, at least I post analyses... despite how pissed off people get at them, despite how they're wrong a lot, and despite that I seem to be making more enemies with each one. Also, interesting soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too
Except I don't pick and choose your posts. I take them as a collection. Your goal here was to aggressively counter, like most mafia members would. Take Ace in Insane, take Jimbosilvers in Salem what do they do when they're under suspicion? They aggressively counter attack and try to cast doubt on the person suspecting them. And you know what else they do? They twist words and ignore posts just to make their point. You seem to be ignoring a lot of my posts. Interesting huh? You also seem to be aggressively attacking me instead of pacifically defending yourself.
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+ Show Spoiler [another interesting phenomenon] +On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:
Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night. I'll be off for the next 9 hours.
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First off, this is my clue:
On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies
I am the Hypnotist. My ability allows me to hypnotize one player each night. They do not remember that they've been visited and DrH PMs me their alignment at the end of the Night. At first I didn't realize that this clue referred to me. I actually thought this following clue referred to me since I can essentially take over someone and read their mind.
On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
In order to keep 'my' role hidden, I pretended that I didn't know what it meant and implied that it was a Brain Surgeon.
On December 01 2010 15:35 kingjames01 wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Brain Surgeon?
When ~OpZ~ said that it was actually a Zombie, I took that opportunity to hide myself further:
On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon.
On December 02 2010 04:13 kingjames01 wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Zombie
At this point, we had been discussing that there were 2 DTs in the game and that 1 would be sane and the other insane. When SouthRawrea got lynched and flipped Psychic, I finally realized that we were all wrong about that first clue indicating the presence of 2 Detectives and that SouthRawrea and I were the two players with a third eye. The only question left to answer was, "which of SouthRawrea and I was insane?" Since SouthRawrea had been lynched I knew that I had to keep myself hidden because I believed myself to be the last remaining information role.
Then, Barundar claimed DT.
On December 02 2010 12:06 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 11:20 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town. From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night. Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight? Also I claim detective (of a sort).
Immediately after that, Coagulation made his fake claim to the second DT.
On December 02 2010 13:24 Coagulation wrote:
I have a nerfed dt role i basically get to check one player every night however I dont get the results
the results are whispered to a random player and i dont know who receives it.
I didn't understand it right away but I thought that they were trying to screen for what they thought were 2 DTs.
Instead of screaming "LYNCH ALL LIARS", I decided to help them and use the opportunity to stay hidden. So I pretended to organize the town around them so that they would draw hits for me:
On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:
Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning.
Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well.
There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to.
Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists.
During Night 1, I chose to check RebirthOfLeGenD. His voice was very strong in the game and I wanted to know for sure if he was Town or mafia. He had already put together a list of possible suspects and was campaigning very hard. If he turned out to be mafia, then he was worth claiming for just to silence him. So I decided for the first night I would check RebirthOfLeGenD.
Before the Night phase began, RebirthOfLeGenD was replaced by ~OpZ~. Instantly ~OpZ~ went on the attack and derided my attempts to decipher DrH's hints.
On December 01 2010 14:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful.
On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01
On December 02 2010 01:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:
It's faulty discussion. We have no proof about any role in the game. What is my role? My role is the "God." I have the power to decide what is restricted during the day phase of each day, and to possibly change it.
Tell me you would have guessed that as a role.
On December 02 2010 01:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I don't like the blue role discussion, because it's meaningless. You can guess all day long, but don't make that the center of discussion. We should be pressuring folks.
Would a pro-town player be so against gaining information about possible mafia abilities? I sent in my request to hypnotize ~OpZ~. In the morning DrH PMd me that when ~OpZ~ was hypnotized, he revealed that he was Red. Since I didn't know my sanity I had to watch ~OpZ~ very carefully to see what he would do.
The only problem was, ~OpZ~ never came back to the thread. I tried to bait him out:
On December 04 2010 04:30 kingjames01 wrote:
~OpZ~, a wise mod once told me, that the person who encourages the town to scum-hunt but does not do so himself is usually the Godfather. Why don't you come out of hiding and contribute? I'm interested in what you're going to say and who you're going to protect/condemn.
On December 04 2010 05:16 kingjames01 wrote:
For now, I'll switch my vote to ~OpZ~ just to avoid any possible Traitor mechanic.
##Unvote Fishball
##Vote ~OpZ~
Basically, I had nothing to determine my sanity with. Then ~OpZ~ was revealed to be the Innocent Child.
On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.
From this I knew that I was insane. I worked through my list of suspects and how many players I could link together and decided that annul was too suspicious to be town. He deliberately started and continued a fight that would help mafia stay hidden. Any information that he offered in terms of roles were recycled ideas that had already been mentioned.
Also, in all of his posts, he never once provides an analysis on a suspect. Instead, he quoted other people's posts and used that as justification for voting. He tried to keep the town focused on Fishball and orgolove. His two most likely suspects both had been revealed to be Town.
On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball
On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote:
so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use
On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote:
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow
My conclusion: annul was mafia.
All I needed to do now was to keep attention focused on Barundar and Coagulation so I could keep hypnotizing people. I 'organized' the town so that Barundar and Coagulation could draw hits for me again.
On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:
Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia.
Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit.
Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did.
Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.
The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town.
In the morning DrH sent me a PM saying that, in his delirium annul revealed that he is Green.
annul started the day by suggesting the extra Night hits were due to a town-aligned Night Vigilante. I knew he was lying to spread confusion so I tried my best to keep the town calm.
On December 05 2010 04:57 kingjames01 wrote:No, I disagree with this statement. I don't think that there is a Night Vigilante; at least not a Town-aligned one. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 01:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day 3 3 bodies were found floating in a pool in the morning. Why would a pro-town vigilante dump the body in the same place as the other hits? If we believe that at least one of these 3 were killed by the mafia, we should assume that all of them were. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig So let's suppose that we have an anti-town Night Vigilante running around. Then only 2 of the 3 victims are accounted for. So what happened to Barundar?
So now, I'm convinced based on my checks that annul is Mafia. I was not going to claim so quickly because of the apparent increase in the number of mafia KPs and because I was hoping to draw out his fellow mafia. Also, by revealing myself, I now need to request protection tonight.
TOWN: annul is Red. Lynch him so we can take back control of the town!
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*clap* A convoluted plan indeed KJ, and as I was reading the thread, I was beginning to suspect you because of your lack of scum-hunting. Assuming annul turns up red, I <3 you.
##vote annul
On December 05 2010 13:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? I said kinda, and why wouldn't a mafia go after him so hard? He had arguably a decent amount of scummy posts day one, and then you apologized crazily. You laughed he used a role wrongly. I dunno....seems cockily teasing to me. You been rather jocular all game actually, besides your posts with him. Your last posts have been pretty spammy, and not to mention you haven't done anything since posting analysis on Decoundo. Dr. H didn't post the final vote counts in the last day post, which is kinda messing with me. Aidnai stopped posting too. Jcarl needs to explain why lynching him would be bad for the town. If its bad for the town, then we don't want to do it, but how would not telling us why benefit the mafia.Don't have much done on Annul, his arguments with KJ scrambled my brains a little, but it was completely irrelevant. And why couldn't Aeres vote fishball either. Peculiar.
I don't think I ever said lynching me is bad for the town? My death won't hurt the town at all, except to remove my voice somewhat. I admit I could have played this role a lot better, and I'm regretting it. Live and learn.
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Oh right, I forgot the most important part...
##Vote annul
=)
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On December 06 2010 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
*clap* A convoluted plan indeed KJ, and as I was reading the thread, I was beginning to suspect you because of your lack of scum-hunting. Assuming annul turns up red, I <3 you.
##vote annul
Oh, he's going to flip Red, alright. All we need to do now is to form a list of other likely mafia based on his posts.
I couldn't be vocal because of my role. If I pushed too hard I probably would have been killed by now. My two bodyguards, Barundar and Coagulation, are now dead so again, to the pharamacists, I'm going to need protection tonight if we're going to have any chance of pulling out a win.
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On December 05 2010 18:15 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler [another interesting phenomenon] +On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:
Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night. I'll be off for the next 9 hours.
i only post my reaction of you after you go on offense against me. i dont go through the hassle of checking every single post of somebody and analyze them unless i have a reason to.
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next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01
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On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote:
next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01
Right, so you're actually the insane detective. What's your role? What have you done with it? In 2 nights have you only checked Node? That seems like a waste of your ability.
You're also asking for a reprieve from the lynch vote after I've already denounced you as being mafia? Laughable attempt at delaying the inevitable.
I won't lynch you because you hate me. I smile because you hate me. =) I'll lynch you because you're mafia.
Anyway, even if you were going to counter that I'm framing you, where's your analysis? You can't just point fingers and not show proof.
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On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote:
next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01
lmao nice OMGUS.
He's not using the argument with you to attack you, he's playing the game.
You have had two nights to do actions, why do you only know the alignment of one player? Also, if you WERE DT, what would make you think you're insane?
And DT power? What? Afaik, you don't run out of juice. This is a bogus claim imo.
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i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it.
i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting.
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%.
so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight.
KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time.
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and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do.
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I'm really sorry that I haven't been posting anything lately. I assure you, though, I have been reading the thread, so I'm aware of what's going on.
On December 05 2010 15:44 ghrur wrote:For aeres, I feel aside from a few posts here, he hasn't been scummy: + Show Spoiler [aeres] +About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging.
As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that.
RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative.
##Vote Aidnai To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain.
##Unvote Aidnai
God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. Votes Aidnai only because of following RoL/more experienced player. C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. He says we should scumhunt instead of going off OMGUS, yet he never does it himself. For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said.
##Vote SouthRawrea
I just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =(
Not really too scummy, but votes SouthRawrea for no reason really, and ends up securing the bandwagon for Decond's first axe. After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
##Vote Fishball
I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / Once again votes with other's analyses. Doesn't really do his own on people. ##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. Once again votes because of someone else's reasoning. ....Fuck.
Fucking fuck. And an overreaction on the day post. Although, this is explainable because that was really screwed up. >_< And since then, he hasn't posted... which is strangely weird. I feel like he has scummy posts, but I also feel like his other posts are helping to contribute by analyzing the hints. This is different than annul who basically posted nothing, and accused using the same info again and again. Aeres seems more like unsure about who he wants to vote/unsure of his ideas instead of trying to hide information.
That last part, in bold, is essentially spot on. I confess I'm not very good at analysis, and what analysis I write up tends to be based more on speculation and "what if?"s than something that the town can come to a consensus on. Because of that, I tend not to post what I think of players, since what I have written up isn't about to convince anyone, and sometimes not even myself. It's definitely something I should work on, I know. Lack of confidence hurts in a game based on deception. = /
And I feel the overreaction to the day post is justified, considering the outcome.
But enough QQ'ing. I'll see what I can come up with for legitimate analysis in a while.
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On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it.
i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting.
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%.
so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight.
KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time.
Heh, this really is quite entertaining. Annul, you are the one who keeps bringing up the bad blood between you and KJ. I've been told that mafia like to stir up trouble to get the focus off of the lynch. This is exactly what you're doing, trying to start an argument to veil yourself and make yourself look like the victim.
You said that when you run out of "juice", you can do some smaller things. What kinds of things are these? Since you've already claimed, you wouldn't mind letting us know, would you? I'll give you some time to confer with you scumbuddies to see if what you come up with sounds convincing.
If you flip town, which I HIGHLY doubt at this point, then KJ will be on the chopping block. He knows that, town knows that, you know that. I will not, however, willingly give you the free pass into tonight to kill whomever you want.
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"ive been told" - what?
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening?
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On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
"ive been told" - what?
In past games...
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
So he presents points that he knows will get you to react a certain way...so? He is a good scumhunter. You saying that he keeps bringing up the bad blood between you though is complete crap, because YOU are the one who is doing it to stir up trouble.
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
But they can't stop you from using your DT skills? You can be roleblocked all the same.
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening?
It wouldn't stop the kill from happening, but I don't want to give you the opportunity to run home to your mafia buddies tonight and aid in the kill.
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i do not fear the roleblock, that is not what i talk about when i say that people can avoid my ability.
assume i am mafia (i am not)... if you town lynch me today, you assume i cannot return to my mafia team and influence future actions? if i were mafia, i still win even if i am dead. i can still assist them with future night kill choices. or, you know, i could tell them today what i want to happen tonight, right? so really i demur that argument.
but of course, am not mafia. KJ is. and as to jcarl, isnt it much more likely that i defend myself when i am called a red by a DT when i am in fact the DT and i KNOW he is lying? not just suspect, but KNOW? think about it
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On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
Let's suppose that this is true. That means you checked both Node and LSB. There were other people who were probably better choices to be checked, including Barundar, Coagulation and ~OpZ~. What reason did you have to check these two and in what order did you check them in?
On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
Asking people "who do you believe more" does not qualify as proof.
On December 04 2010 05:55 LSB wrote:
I'll claim that I can see all the night actions, I don't know who did them, but Doc H Pmed them to me.
And Someone hypnotized someone
On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do.
Also, I am not the Insane DT. I am the Hypnotist. LSB's Hobo ability corroborated the existence of my power.
What is your ability and how does it work?
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1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes?
2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce.
3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic
4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try.
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On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
"ive been told" - what?
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
I'm just going to ignore your baseless accusations. You're still attempting to distract the town by drawing me into pointless fights.
On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
That's just silly. No such role was hinted at by DrH. Which clue do you think corresponds to you?
On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening?
Also, we don't know how many KP the mafia has. It is very possible that by lynching you we can reduce the number of KP. It is in town's best interest to lynch you today.
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On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote:
1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes?
2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce.
3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic
4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try.
- By revealing what your supposed Night actions, we can decide for ourselves who is lying.
- I've presented a very clear case as to why you are mafia, including my checks and an analysis of your posts.
- I'm am not arguing that my role does not work like an Insane DT. I am arguing that the name of the role is Hypnotist. My role and abilities clearly fits with DrH's hints and LSB's Hobo watching. What is your role and how does it work?
- That's just silly.
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Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul
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On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul
I'm not sure we should base anything on mafia wiki. This is an experimental game to play around with things for insane 2, so who knows what Doc has dreamed up.
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On December 06 2010 10:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul I'm not sure we should base anything on mafia wiki. This is an experimental game to play around with things for insane 2, so who knows what Doc has dreamed up.
That's a good point, but they're basically all there.
Look:
Fishball/Priest
Deconduo/Executioner
Kinda like Coag/Whisperer role except you can't whisper back
Barundar/Radar
Opz/Innocent Child
LSB/Hobo
SR/Psychic
We have yet to get one that doesn't fit anything closely.
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alot of them are wiki roles
i have many ideas though that have never been done to my knowledge
such as my faction vote idea
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On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul
i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town.
if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities.
my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it.
i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they?
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On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:
i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town.
First off, there actually are 6 Town players to 3 mafia. If we miss this lynch, we'll be in LYLO. You're trying to confuse the town into believing that our situation is better than it is.
On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:
if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities.
my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it.
You don't have to give us the name of your role. Just tell us which hint corresponds to your role.
On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:
i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they?
No one is going to defend you now.
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On December 06 2010 06:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:In past games... Show nested quote +
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
So he presents points that he knows will get you to react a certain way...so? He is a good scumhunter. You saying that he keeps bringing up the bad blood between you though is complete crap, because YOU are the one who is doing it to stir up trouble. Show nested quote +
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
But they can't stop you from using your DT skills? You can be roleblocked all the same.Show nested quote +
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening?
It wouldn't stop the kill from happening, but I don't want to give you the opportunity to run home to your mafia buddies tonight and aid in the kill.
Interesting that you think there is a role blocker, yet, iirc I don't remember there ever being mention of someone being role blocked....Very Noteworthy....
As for now....Fuck it, I'll bite KJ. If you made that whole shit up, I will take my hat off to you good sir.
(Annul, his post was pretty too....)
##Vote Annul
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I seriously would Lol if Annul is actual insane DT. Seriously, you should of fully role claimed.
And Aidnai. You promised to roleclaim. That's why. I don't care whats up with that, it should still come out. I don't CARE about what roles you have. We have numbers of how many roles exist. Almost all blue. Mass roleclaim, pop pop pop shit that matches up.
Everyone wants to be all protective and shit. Sheesh. Cut some losses.
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On December 06 2010 15:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I seriously would Lol if Annul is actual insane DT. Seriously, you should of fully role claimed.
And Aidnai. You promised to roleclaim. That's why. I don't care whats up with that, it should still come out. I don't CARE about what roles you have. We have numbers of how many roles exist. Almost all blue. Mass roleclaim, pop pop pop shit that matches up.
Everyone wants to be all protective and shit. Sheesh. Cut some losses.
annul is definitely not the Insane DT. I don't know what his role is yet because not everyone has role-claimed.
According to my notes there are 5 roles that have still not been claimed. Two of these are pharmacists. I'm still in favour of keeping not role-claiming to keep our pharmacists hidden. We don't know how many KPs the mafia has and I still need protection for at least one more night. I have likely suspects that I want to check but we need one more vote on annul to get us there.
Anyone want to do the honours and remove this scum from our game?
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btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now)
oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over.
the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs.
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On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote:
btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now)
oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over.
the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs.
OR, if we assume that mafia has 2 KP then we could lynch you and reduce the mafia KP to only 1. We'd buy ourselves one more chance tomorrow.
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or we can lynch you and achieve the same effect, IF that is the effect it has on the KP.
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#Vote annul
For the town!
Sorry I played terribly this game, but I can't think of any other way this can be done. 'Twas nice knowing you all.
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weeeeeell then.
i fucking hate you KJ lol
good luck scum!
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One more vote is needed if Annul is to be lynched.
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Night 3
While standing before the firing squad, Annul the Treacherous Lover was shot. From the sidelines, Node the Lover cried. When he got home he hung himself, unable to deal with the death of his lover.
Treacherous Lover - You have fallen in love with a town player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You win if the mafia wins. You must keep your relationship a secret. You can PM each other. Your lover is: Node
The Lover - You have fallen in love with a mafia player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You can PM each other. You must keep your relationship a secret. In addition, you have the powers of a tracker. You win with the town. Your lover is:
annul
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Oh wow. Wait, the town lover knew that he's mafia? So.. node knew annul was mafia?
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Yes, he did.
But it was against the rules for him to claim it and I would have requested that he be banned from a future game if he ignored that rule to sac a mafia 1:1
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Lawl, worst fake claim ever annul.
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Game just got a fuck town easier. Time to go read Annuls posts.
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On December 06 2010 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yes, he did.
But it was against the rules for him to claim it and I would have requested that he be banned from a future game if he ignored that rule to sac a mafia 1:1
I still think forcing a role to contradict their win conditions is a tad silly anything that can't be logically justified in not doing and has to be artificially enforced is stupid. Like in my game that I am going to host next I want people to not be dumb and role claim to random people but I am not just going to ban it, I am introducing rules that lead to severe negative outcomes upon doing such.
Forcing someone to abide by some arbitrary rule in fear of a ban seems to hurt the spirit of the game, a mod is here to oversee the game not control the players.
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Anyone notice Annul didn't vote for Aidnai? As a matter of fact, the whole time Aidnai was being discussed Annul never ONCE mentioned his name?
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On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously
My bad, one post. Where he reminds me that I need to "unvote" Aidnai....
Thaaaaanks.
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Still missing a night action. When I get it, the day is done.
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On December 07 2010 02:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yes, he did.
But it was against the rules for him to claim it and I would have requested that he be banned from a future game if he ignored that rule to sac a mafia 1:1 I still think forcing a role to contradict their win conditions is a tad silly anything that can't be logically justified in not doing and has to be artificially enforced is stupid. Like in my game that I am going to host next I want people to not be dumb and role claim to random people but I am not just going to ban it, I am introducing rules that lead to severe negative outcomes upon doing such. Forcing someone to abide by some arbitrary rule in fear of a ban seems to hurt the spirit of the game, a mod is here to oversee the game not control the players.
Then there is no reason the lover simply won't roleclaim and sac himself 1:1 because it's always the pro-town thing to do.
If he won't do it himself, the town will force him to if they know lovers exist or at least they should.
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and node, the tricky bastard, in one of his first PMs to me, asked me for the mafia roster.
had i given it to him, that would have immediately ended the game
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~OpZ~, I followed your lead and I have waded through all of annul's posts. I compiled them into a single list and looked through them for players who he supports/opposes/avoids. Here they all are:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2010 22:51 annul wrote:
/in if allowed, sure On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote:ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote:
btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL On November 30 2010 12:37 annul wrote:
i must have missed it but where did drh say no PMs? On November 30 2010 13:10 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 12:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and if I am correct on the pharmacist role it means we can't block any of the kills tonight, so whoever is the most active will die, or anyone who is confirmed. So anyone important should avoid claiming, because if I am correct it means you will die and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
uh
orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing. On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems
but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed.
at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good.
PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments"
big big difference On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku..
but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? On December 01 2010 06:51 annul wrote:
to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am.
so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well. On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote:
so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use On December 01 2010 11:39 annul wrote:
i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what On December 01 2010 11:40 annul wrote:
preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard) On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote:
wow
drh says that he has hinted to all roles
where is the vote redirection role hint?
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously On December 02 2010 02:37 annul wrote:
hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever.
seriously how is there a better target than this On December 02 2010 03:01 annul wrote:
yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it. On December 02 2010 05:18 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:09 DarthThienAn wrote:On December 02 2010 04:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I do not have a role in this game, the riddler thing was just a joke No jokes allowed!! your playstyle is a joke ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote:
ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation? On December 02 2010 05:45 annul wrote:the fishball issue is as follows: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing On December 02 2010 05:46 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch wat On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early. On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote:
hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3 On December 03 2010 06:56 annul wrote:
hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3 On December 04 2010 04:54 annul wrote:
um
fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies.
why arent we insta-voting him? On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote:
he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit? On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role). On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
coagulation
was there a hint to a traitor role? On December 04 2010 05:09 annul wrote:
... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me. On December 04 2010 05:11 annul wrote:
i missed it then.
whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz? On December 04 2010 05:13 annul wrote:
oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis On December 04 2010 05:14 annul wrote:
but okay then.
##unvote fishball
##vote ~opz~ On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). On December 04 2010 05:35 annul wrote:
##unvote ~opz~
##vote fishball
i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch. On December 04 2010 05:36 annul wrote:
Fishball:
Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul
opz:
aeres
is this correct? On December 04 2010 06:31 annul wrote:
KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote:
is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. On December 04 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle. On December 04 2010 16:10 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fuck it im just gonna end the night when i get everyones actions
i work too late tomorrow and im too tired
plus i hate it when people change too much. I have all night actions. you people have 30 minutes to make your decisions. drh = caller? On December 04 2010 16:19 annul wrote:
no i agree you just said night ends in 30 minutes like 2 hours ago On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote:
maybe there is a night vig somewhere On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote:
let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"?
and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too?
maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote:nothing Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. nothing Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> nothing post Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai nothing post, bandwagon follower Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< nothing post Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP admission of wrongness, see above Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ wifom Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. as much "nothing" as some of mine Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play.
You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch.
What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too On December 06 2010 04:04 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 18:15 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler [another interesting phenomenon] +On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:
Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night. I'll be off for the next 9 hours. i only post my reaction of you after you go on offense against me. i dont go through the hassle of checking every single post of somebody and analyze them unless i have a reason to. On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote:
next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01 On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it.
i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting.
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%.
so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight.
KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time. On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
"ive been told" - what?
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening? On December 06 2010 06:38 annul wrote:
i do not fear the roleblock, that is not what i talk about when i say that people can avoid my ability.
assume i am mafia (i am not)... if you town lynch me today, you assume i cannot return to my mafia team and influence future actions? if i were mafia, i still win even if i am dead. i can still assist them with future night kill choices. or, you know, i could tell them today what i want to happen tonight, right? so really i demur that argument.
but of course, am not mafia. KJ is. and as to jcarl, isnt it much more likely that i defend myself when i am called a red by a DT when i am in fact the DT and i KNOW he is lying? not just suspect, but KNOW? think about it On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote:
1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes?
2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce.
3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic
4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try. On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town. if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities. my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it. i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they? On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote:
btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now)
oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over.
the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs. On December 06 2010 15:45 annul wrote:
or we can lynch you and achieve the same effect, IF that is the effect it has on the KP. On December 06 2010 15:47 annul wrote:
weeeeeell then.
i fucking hate you KJ lol
good luck scum!
In all of these posts, he doesn't actually support anyone so I can't link him to any other possible mafia.
However, he only attacks Fishball, myself and ghrur.
So the fact that he doesn't actually attack someone is not enough for me to choose that player to check tonight. I have my suspicions for a possible mafia. I'm pretty sure that this player is Red based on posts and behaviour this game but we'll find out after the Night is over. I have to choose to check someone secretly so that the mafia can't ruin my plan.
Also, I'm going to ask for protection from the Pharmacists. We need to keep the mafia guessing though, so randomly decide to protect yourself or me but don't reveal who you chose. That way they'll have a hard time deciding who to kill.
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On December 07 2010 05:32 annul wrote:
and node, the tricky bastard, in one of his first PMs to me, asked me for the mafia roster.
had i given it to him, that would have immediately ended the game
It was worth a shot :p
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On December 07 2010 05:55 kingjames01 wrote:~OpZ~, I followed your lead and I have waded through all of annul's posts. I compiled them into a single list and looked through them for players who he supports/opposes/avoids. Here they all are: + Show Spoiler +On November 29 2010 22:51 annul wrote:
/in if allowed, sure On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote:ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote:
btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL On November 30 2010 12:37 annul wrote:
i must have missed it but where did drh say no PMs? On November 30 2010 13:10 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 12:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and if I am correct on the pharmacist role it means we can't block any of the kills tonight, so whoever is the most active will die, or anyone who is confirmed. So anyone important should avoid claiming, because if I am correct it means you will die and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
uh
orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing. On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems
but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed.
at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good.
PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments"
big big difference On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku..
but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? On December 01 2010 06:51 annul wrote:
to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am.
so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well. On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote:
so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use On December 01 2010 11:39 annul wrote:
i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what On December 01 2010 11:40 annul wrote:
preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard) On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote:
wow
drh says that he has hinted to all roles
where is the vote redirection role hint?
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously On December 02 2010 02:37 annul wrote:
hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever.
seriously how is there a better target than this On December 02 2010 03:01 annul wrote:
yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it. On December 02 2010 05:18 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:09 DarthThienAn wrote:On December 02 2010 04:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I do not have a role in this game, the riddler thing was just a joke No jokes allowed!! your playstyle is a joke ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote:
ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation? On December 02 2010 05:45 annul wrote:the fishball issue is as follows: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing On December 02 2010 05:46 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch wat On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early. On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote:
hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3 On December 03 2010 06:56 annul wrote:
hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3 On December 04 2010 04:54 annul wrote:
um
fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies.
why arent we insta-voting him? On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote:
he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit? On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role). On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
coagulation
was there a hint to a traitor role? On December 04 2010 05:09 annul wrote:
... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me. On December 04 2010 05:11 annul wrote:
i missed it then.
whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz? On December 04 2010 05:13 annul wrote:
oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis On December 04 2010 05:14 annul wrote:
but okay then.
##unvote fishball
##vote ~opz~ On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). On December 04 2010 05:35 annul wrote:
##unvote ~opz~
##vote fishball
i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch. On December 04 2010 05:36 annul wrote:
Fishball:
Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul
opz:
aeres
is this correct? On December 04 2010 06:31 annul wrote:
KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote:
is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. On December 04 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle. On December 04 2010 16:10 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fuck it im just gonna end the night when i get everyones actions
i work too late tomorrow and im too tired
plus i hate it when people change too much. I have all night actions. you people have 30 minutes to make your decisions. drh = caller? On December 04 2010 16:19 annul wrote:
no i agree you just said night ends in 30 minutes like 2 hours ago On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote:
maybe there is a night vig somewhere On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote:
let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"?
and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too?
maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote:nothing Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. nothing Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> nothing post Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai nothing post, bandwagon follower Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< nothing post Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP admission of wrongness, see above Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ wifom Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. as much "nothing" as some of mine Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play.
You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch.
What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too On December 06 2010 04:04 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 18:15 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler [another interesting phenomenon] +On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:
Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night. I'll be off for the next 9 hours. i only post my reaction of you after you go on offense against me. i dont go through the hassle of checking every single post of somebody and analyze them unless i have a reason to. On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote:
next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01 On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it.
i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting.
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%.
so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight.
KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time. On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
"ive been told" - what?
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening? On December 06 2010 06:38 annul wrote:
i do not fear the roleblock, that is not what i talk about when i say that people can avoid my ability.
assume i am mafia (i am not)... if you town lynch me today, you assume i cannot return to my mafia team and influence future actions? if i were mafia, i still win even if i am dead. i can still assist them with future night kill choices. or, you know, i could tell them today what i want to happen tonight, right? so really i demur that argument.
but of course, am not mafia. KJ is. and as to jcarl, isnt it much more likely that i defend myself when i am called a red by a DT when i am in fact the DT and i KNOW he is lying? not just suspect, but KNOW? think about it On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote:
1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes?
2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce.
3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic
4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try. On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town. if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities. my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it. i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they? On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote:
btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now)
oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over.
the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs. On December 06 2010 15:45 annul wrote:
or we can lynch you and achieve the same effect, IF that is the effect it has on the KP. On December 06 2010 15:47 annul wrote:
weeeeeell then.
i fucking hate you KJ lol
good luck scum! In all of these posts, he doesn't actually support anyone so I can't link him to any other possible mafia. However, he only attacks Fishball, myself and ghrur. So the fact that he doesn't actually attack someone is not enough for me to choose that player to check tonight. I have my suspicions for a possible mafia. I'm pretty sure that this player is Red based on posts and behaviour this game but we'll find out after the Night is over. I have to choose to check someone secretly so that the mafia can't ruin my plan. Also, I'm going to ask for protection from the Pharmacists. We need to keep the mafia guessing though, so randomly decide to protect yourself or me but don't reveal who you chose. That way they'll have a hard time deciding who to kill.
Point is, Aidnai could of been nailed in the coffin had Annul changed his vote.
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On December 07 2010 06:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Point is, Aidnai could of been nailed in the coffin had Annul changed his vote.
That's true. Obviously I don't doubt your motives since we know you're Town. However, I cannot openly commit to choosing a specific target in the thread. If I announce who I will check, then the mafia could either switch my target to someone else or just kill that player rendering my action useless.
At the time I had my vote on orgolove and just after DrH posted the vote count you decided to vote for me. Also, if either of us changed our vote, we could have been the "nail in the coffin" since deconduo was waiting to cast the Hammer.
On December 01 2010 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vote tally:
Aidnai - 6
Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, noe
Coagulation - 2
Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea
Fishball - 3
Voters: annul, Coagulation, aidnai,
RebirthOfLegend - 1
Voters: Fishball,
ghrur - 1
Voters: Pandain
orgolove - 1
Voters: kingjames27
On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01
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On December 07 2010 06:53 kingjames01 wrote:
That's true. Obviously I don't doubt your motives since we know you're Town. However, I cannot openly commit to choosing a specific target in the thread. If I announce who I will check, then the mafia could either switch my target to someone else or just kill that player rendering my action useless.
Alright, let me elaborate on my plan a little. I have two options but I won't reveal which one I will use.
Option 1:
- Check aidnai tonight.
- If aidnai is mafia, we lynch him tomorrow.
- If aidnai is not mafia, we will have to analyze to find another suspect for the lynch.
- Either way, I'll check my other suspect tomorrow night.
Option 2:
- Check my other suspect tonight.
- If my other suspect is mafia, we lynch the other suspect tomorrow. Then I check aidnai overnight.
- If my other suspect is not mafia, we lynch aidnai tomorrow.
I have strong feelings for either option, but of course I won't discuss that before the results are revealed.
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When is the Day post going to come? Everything is so up in the air right now.
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On December 07 2010 05:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 02:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On December 06 2010 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yes, he did.
But it was against the rules for him to claim it and I would have requested that he be banned from a future game if he ignored that rule to sac a mafia 1:1 I still think forcing a role to contradict their win conditions is a tad silly anything that can't be logically justified in not doing and has to be artificially enforced is stupid. Like in my game that I am going to host next I want people to not be dumb and role claim to random people but I am not just going to ban it, I am introducing rules that lead to severe negative outcomes upon doing such. Forcing someone to abide by some arbitrary rule in fear of a ban seems to hurt the spirit of the game, a mod is here to oversee the game not control the players. Then there is no reason the lover simply won't roleclaim and sac himself 1:1 because it's always the pro-town thing to do. If he won't do it himself, the town will force him to if they know lovers exist or at least they should.
Aren't lovers only able win if the other is still alive? Sort of like third party? But basically the town lover has to help the mafia.
Thats how I thought it was suppose to be, but of course, that makes it a lot harder on the lovers.
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Good job everyone. ^_^ Let's get done with 2 more days and finally end this crazy mini-mafia. :p
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The colours in the Night 3 post reminds me of Christmas... =)
I hope everyone gets their actions in soon! I'm really excited to see what happened.
We should coordinate so that everyone is online at the same time. Depending on what my check shows we could then all vote and not give mafia any time to react and form a defense. If we rush the day then we can get into another Night phase.
At the moment, the game is 5 Town to 2 Mafia. We're in very good shape especially since we have 1 player who is very likely to be mafia. I also have my eye another player who's posts have been full of logical holes.
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drh wanted to make us both win with our respective teams but individually only win if the lover was still alive (meaning, mafia win with node dead = i still lose). i pointed out to him that it is impossible for node to ever win in such a case. so it was amended.
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On December 07 2010 08:03 kingjames01 wrote:
The colours in the Night 3 post reminds me of Christmas... =)
I hope everyone gets their actions in soon! I'm really excited to see what happened.
We should coordinate so that everyone is online at the same time. Depending on what my check shows we could then all vote and not give mafia any time to react and form a defense. If we rush the day then we can get into another Night phase.
At the moment, the game is 5 Town to 2 Mafia. We're in very good shape especially since we have 1 player who is very likely to be mafia. I also have my eye another player who's posts have been full of logical holes.
I swear, if you get killed tonight, we're back to square one. I only have one suspect right now. =/
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On December 07 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 08:03 kingjames01 wrote:
The colours in the Night 3 post reminds me of Christmas... =)
I hope everyone gets their actions in soon! I'm really excited to see what happened.
We should coordinate so that everyone is online at the same time. Depending on what my check shows we could then all vote and not give mafia any time to react and form a defense. If we rush the day then we can get into another Night phase.
At the moment, the game is 5 Town to 2 Mafia. We're in very good shape especially since we have 1 player who is very likely to be mafia. I also have my eye another player who's posts have been full of logical holes. I swear, if you get killed tonight, we're back to square one. I only have one suspect right now. =/
=) Well, I'm planning for just that scenario... I've been leaving clues around.
What happens to a house when the windows are left open?
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If I were to be hit tonight, my secrets can be easily figured out. It's not like I hid them in a far-away, inaccessible location such as, Kehlsteinhaus.
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On December 07 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:
I swear, if you get killed tonight, we're back to square one. I only have one suspect right now. =/
If I die tonight, do not let the war break out. That will only benefit mafia.
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Day Four
OpZ the Innocent Child was found dead in a dumpster. The small childs body was ravaged with stabwounds and bullet holes. Clearly the work of the mafia.
Enraged by the death of such a young child, the town mobilized to destroy the mafia. 1 down 2 to go.
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Is anyone around? I don't want to announce the results of my check until I know we have enough voters here to secure a lynch. In the meantime, I'm going to go through this player's posts and look for connections to other members of the mafia.
Also, I received a pill last night which I took. Thanks to the pharmacist who kept me alive. =)
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On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar
Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie - Veteran role
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher?
3. ghrur
5. Orgolove veteran
6. Aidnai
8. jcarlsoniv
10. deconduo
12. kingjames01
15. Aeres
Two of the remaining are pharmacologists. We also have a insane detective, four roles that don't want to be the hammer vote, and a disease carrier (probably mafia).
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Actually, scratch that. 3 roles that don't want to be the hammer vote.
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I'm here KJ, what're your results? And god damnit, Opz died. FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU.
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On December 07 2010 09:15 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar
Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie - Veteran role
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher? 3. ghrur 5. Orgolove veteran 6. Aidnai 8. jcarlsoniv 10. deconduo 12. kingjames01 15. Aeres Two of the remaining are pharmacologists. We also have a insane detective, four roles that don't want to be the hammer vote, and a disease carrier (probably mafia).
Decond's dead.
Okay... if we still have 2 pharmacologists, then is jcarl lying? Because we have 6 remaining.
If we have:
1 insane
1 veteran
2 pharmacologists
1 spirit
then we'd have to have 5 blue and 2 red, this doesn't add up, what?
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I think we also have another set of lovers, right?
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On December 07 2010 08:03 annul wrote:
drh wanted to make us both win with our respective teams but individually only win if the lover was still alive (meaning, mafia win with node dead = i still lose). i pointed out to him that it is impossible for node to ever win in such a case. so it was amended.
Oh, yeah, what should have happened was that node can win with mafia, and you should be able to win with town. As long as you two are the last alive of each group.
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On December 07 2010 09:44 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 09:15 orgolove wrote:On December 04 2010 06:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1) jcarlsoniv
Becomes a spirit upon death. Retains ability to speak. Ability to vote?
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4) RebirthOfLeGenD/~OpZ~
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5) deconduo
Executioner
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists
A man begs in the street. (8) Pandain/LSB
Hobo - Watches the town at night and sees all of the actions.
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
SouthRawrea, ?
Psychic, Hypnotist
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is
over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12) Barundar
Traffic Cop - Uses a Radar Gun to track people and learn their alignments.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13) orgolove
Zombie - Veteran role
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15) Fishball, Coagulation?
Preacher? 3. ghrur 5. Orgolove veteran 6. Aidnai 8. jcarlsoniv 10. deconduo 12. kingjames01 15. Aeres Two of the remaining are pharmacologists. We also have a insane detective, four roles that don't want to be the hammer vote, and a disease carrier (probably mafia). Decond's dead. Okay... if we still have 2 pharmacologists, then is jcarl lying? Because we have 6 remaining. If we have: 1 insane 1 veteran 2 pharmacologists 1 spirit then we'd have to have 5 blue and 2 red, this doesn't add up, what?
I am not lying. To lynch me would just be a waste of a lynch, because I would still be here.
Is it possible that one of the pharmacologists is mafia?
Also, KJ, I am here and ready to hear your results.
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Sorry, I'm here. I took my dog for a walk. =)
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If you look back at my last few posts, I was hinting at the name of the player of who I would be checking. I was basically just making suggest homonyms of the name Aeres.
I can't post the PM directly but to paraphrase, I visited Aeres at his house last night and hypnotized him. While he was under my spell he revealed that he was Green.
I looked through his posts and there are a lot of instances where he made very scummy posts. When I revealed my role and that annul was Red, he refused to take part in the discussion and never actually cast a vote.
[b]##Vote Aeres[\b]
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EBWODP:
If you look back at my last few posts, I was hinting at the name of the player of who I would be checking. I was basically just making suggest homonyms of the name Aeres.
I can't post the PM directly but to paraphrase, I visited Aeres at his house last night and hypnotized him. While he was under my spell he revealed that he was Green.
I looked through his posts and there are a lot of instances where he made very scummy posts. When I revealed my role and that annul was Red, he refused to take part in the discussion and never actually cast a vote.
##Vote Aeres
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Convincing enough for me.
Aeres
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Lol EBWOP -_-
##vote Aeres
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On December 07 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote:
I think we also have another set of lovers, right?
No... We should have one less blue role than we do... o_o. Wtf is going on?
We've only offed 1 mafia, meaning there are 2 left.
We've got a claim for insane DT, Spirit, and veteran.
There should still be 2 pharmacist's alive by Dr. H's clue.
We only have 6 people.
These add up to 7 roles... what??? What's going on?
Let me collect the posts now:
+ Show Spoiler +SouthRawrea the Psychic was killed.
Psychic - You can sense how many mafia voted for each player that is lynched. You win when the town wins.
Fishball was shot by firing squad. Because he was the Priest, You can not cast the hammer (deciding vote). If someone casts the hammer on you, they will die.
Deconduo the Executioner was killed.You can only vote if you are casting the hammer (the deciding vote). In addition you can end a lynch that has just half of the required votes every other day cycle and lynch the target automatically.
Coagulation the Whisperer,You can send messages to other players anonymously. PM me the message and the name of the message you want sent and I will PM it to them. You can not hint at who you are/use your screenname in the message. You win if the town wins.
Barundar the Radar Tech - You own a special radar that can check if people are mafia. Choose a player at night to shoot a radar gun at. At the end of the night you get a list of people who visited them (including them) and how many of them were mafia.
LSB the hobo - You spend all day drunk in the town square. Because you stay in shady places, you have an idea of what everybody did at night but are too drunk to remember who they were. You know all night actions but not the names of the players who did them. You win if the town wins.
Node the Lover - You have fallen in love with a mafia player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You can PM each other. You must keep your relationship a secret. In addition, you have the powers of a tracker. You win with the town. Your lover is:
annul
OpZ the Innocent Child - confirmed green
Annul the Treacherous Lover - You have fallen in love with a town player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You win if the mafia wins. You must keep your relationship a secret. You can PM each other. Your lover is: Node
So yeah, that's 9 dead, 6 alive. We should have 3 reds, so that's 2 reds left and 4 green/blues left. What?
Okay, so after Aeres, we have to lynch one more person, but for now, I'm fine with aeres. The problem comes after Aeres is lynched. But I guess we'll worry about that after?
##Vote Aeres
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I think I know who the last person is based on both annul and Aeres' play.
I've gone through Aeres' posts and I'll compile them in my next post. For now I just wanted to point out his voting history:
Voted for aidnai.
Changed his vote to SouthRawrea and helped lynch our Psychic.
Voted for Fishball, our Priest.
His vote was cancelled and he voted for ~OpZ~, our Innocent Child.
When Fishball was lynched and deconduo was killed as well, he posted in an over-dramatic way about his disappointment with the situation.
When it was clear that annul was Red, he refused to vote and has not since returned to the thread.
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Btw, just so town knows, we're basically in mylo.
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Given what kingjames has done so far in the game, I trust him.
##Vote Aeres
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Here are all of Aeres' posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 10:12 Aeres wrote:
Woo, crisis averted!
Hey, guys. I'm new in town, need a place to stay. =O On November 30 2010 10:14 Aeres wrote:
That is correct, deconduo. Glasse had to leave for unknown reasons, so I'll be subbing in. On November 30 2010 10:17 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:
Hai Aeres o/
Lurkerz: Barun, RoL, Pandain
The game hasn't been on a long time though. Yeah, I read what happened so far. Not too much, but that'll change with time. On November 30 2010 23:27 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 20:39 Barundar wrote:So if I understand this lover/sibling mechanic right, we have a group of players, not necessarily mafia, who will always try to swing votes away from each others? But they do not know if each others are town or mafia? Will make it harder to interpret vote swings >_< I’ve read this + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:To discuss the other roles in the OP I don't think there was an additional lover. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another student got his Pharmocology degree.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love.
I think this acted as a conversion role. "born anew" implies a change in roles from one alignment to other, and since there is no third party and I doubt a mafia got converted by a townie, I think it means one of the mafia just recruited a townie against us. The way the town/mafia ratio is set up it doesn't give us initial start counts or anything, just tells us how much mafia there are in the game, assuming the conversion can't fail then it would be three regardless. I imagine the mafia can choose as to when they do it and the person they choose retains their power this would give the mafia incentive to WAIT on the conversation, but then it might be OP, so there might only be a certain amount of time they can wait for the conversion, but its mere speculation. ... So to summarize, I think there is a mafia conversion power in the lover, judging by how it was used. A Vigi variant in the hooded man, and a possession power in the spirit role. a few times, and I really don’t understand how to interpret the “with the power of love” part of the clue. Care to explain? I agree with the rest of the role assesments. What's everyones thoughts on beggar? Some sort of information role? I’m going to vote for Aidnai for now, his post does seem to paddle through the same sentences a few times on a closer look. #vote AidnaiPS: Pandain time to post :-) About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging. As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that. RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative. ##Vote Aidnai On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies Now this is interesting. The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player. One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane. Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy. On December 01 2010 01:40 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 01 2010 01:27 Aeres wrote:On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies Now this is interesting. The "two men" part clearly means there are two players that this refers to. Having a "third eye" is often meant to imply some sort of extrasensory perception, a method of seeing past what normal people are capable of. In the case of Mafia, I would think the Third Eye allows the player to see the true alignment of a player. One Eye lies, one tells the truth. Perhaps this means that one of the Third Eyes is sane, and the other is insane. Of course, I doubt that in a game as crazy as the Doc wants it to be, there would be two roles that are identical in function and opposite in results. These "Third Eye" people must have some sort of difference in their roles besides the obvious "liar / truth-teller" dichotomy. Not necessarily. They could be exactly the same role, and one of them is sane, while the other is insane, but neither of them knows which one they are. This will cause a lot of mind grapes. I'm aware that that possibly exists, but from what I know of the Doc's intentions here, he wants this whole GAME to be a mindfuck in terms of roles. Insane Mafia didn't have exact repeats of roles, and the Doc himself compared that game's intent to this one, so I don't feel like he'd dull the variety by inserting two near-identical roles when he could have two roles that are similar, but have subtle differences aside from the insanity factor. On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote:
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. A vote-invalidator? Sounds like the Booger role that Coagulation had in Insane, except the targeted voter can choose someone else to vote instead of being negated entirely. This'll make it difficult to reach a majority vote. I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? On December 01 2010 05:04 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 05:01 orgolove wrote:On December 01 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote:
I'm interested, Orgolove: why do you say that Coagulation is the "default"? Because he's a spammer and pretty unlikely to be helpful to town given his past predispositions, whether he's a blue or a red. -_- Coagulation may be blunt and sometimes hostile, but he's not an idiot. I don't think a policy lynch on Coag is the wisest move to make... but we'll see. On December 01 2010 05:38 Aeres wrote:...On what? On December 01 2010 07:03 Aeres wrote:
Vote tally so far:
Aidnai - 3
Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend
Coagulation - 3
Voters: jcarlsoniv, orgolove, SouthRawrea
Fishball - 2
Voters: annul, Coagulation
RebirthOfLegend - 2
Voters: Fishball, ghrur
ghrur - 1
Voters: Pandain
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Voters: kingjames27 On December 01 2010 07:03 Aeres wrote:
C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. On December 02 2010 02:18 Aeres wrote:
To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain.
##Unvote Aidnai
God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. On December 02 2010 09:37 Aeres wrote:For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said. ##Vote SouthRawreaI just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =( + Show Spoiler +It's shear humiliation! *rimshot* On December 02 2010 09:39 Aeres wrote:
So, does this mean deconduo is the "hammer"? On December 03 2010 01:53 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:33 Barundar wrote:On December 01 2010 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Sometimes the hammer strikes back
and it almost struck evil Aidnai had 6 votes, so only needed one town vote before Decon would be forced to vote him. "strike back" This might be me being thrown by a red herring, but this post from the Doc makes me suspicious of Aidnai. If Deconduo's "hammer" role is as Barundar claims, one more vote would have effectively lynched Aidnai. The part saying "and it almost struck evil" makes me think that we were very close to lynching a Mafioso. The hammer was almost forced to take down Aidnai, who is possibly the "evil" referred to in this post. On December 03 2010 01:58 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 01:56 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 01:43 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 01:26 Barundar wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7144843A lot of people was suspicious, but difference is they didn't execute someone else as soon as they had the chance. Earlier you posted: Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles. Seems counter-intuitive to rush-lynch someone then? If you are mafia it would make sense to claim ASAP, since the last vote is always going to be suspicious, something a mafia would hate. In any case I haven’t forgotten this discussion was started by Fishball, who magicly vanished again. I would still like to hear your thoughts on this though Decon, we haven’t seen anything concrete from you yet, except the roleclaim, but that doesn’t seem to scare you? Yes I'm magical. In my little magical world, I sit in an office most of the time and "work". Wait. What roleclaim? Oh you mean the comments I had for deconduo's roleclaim? Scare me? Why so scared? I no scared! Fishball, you seem to be repeating yourself a lot. Are you feeling sick? Is it contagious? Are you saying that Fishball's posts might be limited by some kind of infection role? As if he was delusional? On December 03 2010 06:16 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3 Leave your advertising out of this thread, please. You have a thread for your game already, so the information is available to anyone. Trying to bring attention to it here is essentially spamming the thread, and we've done enough of that. On December 04 2010 02:36 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 02:31 deconduo wrote:On December 04 2010 02:30 Barundar wrote:
Would speeder fit Fishballs role, since he cannot die? If your role says you have a radar gun then its 99.9% that the speeding clue refers to you. Are you sure? The clue says that someone was CAUGHT speeding, not that somebody caught someone ELSE who was speeding. Probably just a matter of semantics, but I thought it was worth bringing up. On December 04 2010 03:11 Aeres wrote:
After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
##Vote Fishball
I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / On December 04 2010 03:15 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:11 Fishball wrote:On December 04 2010 03:00 orgolove wrote:
I mean it's highly UNLIKELY that both are lying compared to just fishball who's in a web of lies.
And I bet he's going to come back any second now despite
On December 04 2010 00:31 Fishball wrote:
Anyways people, I'll be gone for a while, so I'll leave the discussion to you guys. I check the thread periodically in between work, I'm in the office and the computer is right in front. It's not like I have to run 10 miles to reply. I do this every game. You played with me last game, you know my pattern. All of a sudden you're questioning this? Also, "a while" is a relevant thing. Right now you're trying so hard, its really funny from my perspective. Hmm, I wonder if Zombie is a Town Aligned role or not Why wouldn't it be town-aligned? Why would Mafia knowingly try to nightkill one of their own? It makes no sense, unless you're insinuating that it was a way to try and convince town that Orgolove was one of the good guys, and that's pretty deep into WiFoM territory. I don't like how you're evading Coagulation's requests so blatantly, either. Something's not right about you. On December 04 2010 03:28 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:22 Coagulation wrote:
I know drh likes to talk about roles where if someone gets lynched then they are converted to mafia.
hes already said hes rooting for mafia in this one
Fishball will be changed to mafia if hes lynched.
Its 100% clear he wants lynched
And its 100% clear that he does not want me to get the information to help town. That seems pretty unlikely; if it's true, than we might as well have considered this game to have 4 Mafia all along, with Fishball just being able to disrupt the town openly. That seems pretty OP, even for an experimental game. It doesn't help that you're basing this on speculation. If you're right, though, it just means we have a surefire scum that we can nightkill. And furthermore, this makes me doubt if that vote-blocker thing is actually a role, or just a random event; that role is more of a Mafia thing, so if the vote-blocker is scum, why use it to keep a lynch off a person that benefits Mafia if lynched? On December 04 2010 03:39 Aeres wrote:
What the fuck.
I just got a PM from the Doc. Apparently, my vote was invalidated due to "corruption", so I have to change my vote...
Orgolove, is this what happened to you?
##Unvote Fishball for now, I guess. On December 04 2010 04:35 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 04:30 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, it's very interesting that both votes lost due to corruption were both on Fishball. I'm not so sure. I've been thinking about it a bit, and both corruptions were made when Fishball was the person with the most votes against him. I think that this vote blocking crap is just a random occurrence that maybe doesn't have anything to do with Fishball, as far as his role is concerned, and Fishball was protected simply due to the majority of votes being on him at the time. What I think is going on is that at the beginning of the day, the Doc uses an RNG to pick a random player. That player will have his vote blocked, and will receive the PM once the Doc has free time at work or something. This is only what I have by going off of the incidents with Orgolove and I, however. Perhaps I can detect a meaningful trend should this occur on Day 3. On December 04 2010 05:00 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball Why is it necessarily a good thing to lynch Fishball if he's a spirit? He's not really acting in town's interest right now, so why give him more powers if we're not sure they'll benefit us? Something seems off about this post, but I can't put my finger on it. On December 04 2010 05:18 Aeres wrote:
##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. On December 04 2010 05:26 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). Hmm... I hadn't considered this before. It does make sense, and would adequately explain why both votes that were redirected were on Fishball. If this trend doesn't deviate on Day 3, then I feel we can place some degree of trust in this. On December 04 2010 05:32 Aeres wrote:
I agree, Kingjames01. There are too many inconsistencies, too many things that don't add up. I can't vote for him today, but consider my vote to be on him in spirit. On December 04 2010 10:15 Aeres wrote:
I vote to lynch ~OpZ~ anyway. I hate crying children. On December 04 2010 10:19 Aeres wrote:
....Fuck.
Fucking fuck. On December 04 2010 10:21 Aeres wrote:
What were we supposed to have done in that situation? Fishball was more of a detriment than an asset to the town, but there was no way to get rid of him barring two town deaths.
Doc, you suck. On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote:
No, you'd still suck because the Priest is a shitty-ass role. =( On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote:
And you gave it to a player who wasn't all that fond about winning. On December 04 2010 10:26 Aeres wrote:
Also, wasn't Deconduo the only person that could've been the hammer? So, town was fucked either way. On December 06 2010 05:15 Aeres wrote:I'm really sorry that I haven't been posting anything lately. I assure you, though, I have been reading the thread, so I'm aware of what's going on. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 15:44 ghrur wrote:For aeres, I feel aside from a few posts here, he hasn't been scummy: + Show Spoiler [aeres] +About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging.
As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that.
RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative.
##Vote Aidnai To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain.
##Unvote Aidnai
God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. Votes Aidnai only because of following RoL/more experienced player. C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. He says we should scumhunt instead of going off OMGUS, yet he never does it himself. For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said.
##Vote SouthRawrea
I just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =(
Not really too scummy, but votes SouthRawrea for no reason really, and ends up securing the bandwagon for Decond's first axe. After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
##Vote Fishball
I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / Once again votes with other's analyses. Doesn't really do his own on people. ##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. Once again votes because of someone else's reasoning. ....Fuck.
Fucking fuck. And an overreaction on the day post. Although, this is explainable because that was really screwed up. >_< And since then, he hasn't posted... which is strangely weird. I feel like he has scummy posts, but I also feel like his other posts are helping to contribute by analyzing the hints. This is different than annul who basically posted nothing, and accused using the same info again and again. Aeres seems more like unsure about who he wants to vote/unsure of his ideas instead of trying to hide information. That last part, in bold, is essentially spot on. I confess I'm not very good at analysis, and what analysis I write up tends to be based more on speculation and "what if?"s than something that the town can come to a consensus on. Because of that, I tend not to post what I think of players, since what I have written up isn't about to convince anyone, and sometimes not even myself. It's definitely something I should work on, I know. Lack of confidence hurts in a game based on deception. = / And I feel the overreaction to the day post is justified, considering the outcome. But enough QQ'ing. I'll see what I can come up with for legitimate analysis in a while.
As you can see for yourself, his behaviour this game clearly shows his alignment. Also, I'm pretty sure that the last remaining mafia player is aidnai.
Tonight I'll check him and we'll win in the lynch tomorrow. =)!
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I'm still not sure how we had 3 deaths in one night. Does the mafia have a way to bypass the pharmacist protection - i.e. through the plague carrier?
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kingjames, though I trust you given how node turned out to be, your posts on Aeres don't, by themselves, completely show it to be obviously red. Can you explain a bit further?
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Well, the action that I requested last night was to Hynotize Aeres. The PM from DrH indicated that he is Green.
My first check said that ~OpZ~ was Red.
At this point I was not sure about my sanity.
Then ~OpZ~ was revealed to be the Innocent Child.
My second check showed that annul was Green.
These checks are the proof that I need that Aeres is Red.
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It's always great as town to have a detective that knows what he's doing.
So why do you suspect Aidinai?
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There's two things we still don't understand:
1. how we had 3 deaths in one night
2. how there were votes that had to be changed due to corruption
Would it be easy to say, then that the vote changer isn't a red role?
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Well, aidnai has not actually contributed to the success of the town this whole game. He has continually raised the suspicion of other players but somehow was never lynched.
annul never took sides on the innocence of aidnai.
Aeres voted to lynch aidnai Day 1 but retracted his vote when it became clear that aidnai was close to being lynched.
Also, I trust everyone else left in the game. I think that you have all shown yourselves to be pro-town. Only one person was lurking but I figured out that he was one of the Town Pharmacists on Day 1 based on a clue that he left.
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On December 07 2010 10:58 orgolove wrote:
There's two things we still don't understand:
1. how we had 3 deaths in one night
2. how there were votes that had to be changed due to corruption
Would it be easy to say, then that the vote changer isn't a red role?
Well, it's possible that there is a Red Pharmacist. If we continue with this line of reasoning then that `Pharmacist might be able to induce death with a pill.
If the recipient of the pill did not take it the first night, but saved it until the second night, that would account for the extra death.
The vote changer was either a random effect placed on the game by DrH or an ability by one of the players still in the game.
The votes that were nullified were both on Fishball. So either that was a coincidence, or someone believed that Fishball was innocent, or the mafia was trying to confuse the town.
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Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out.
What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up.
He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss...
I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P
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I think I agree about the red pharmacist. One of the 3 deaths had claimed that he had a pill and won't die.
That would also account for the seemingly weird role count right now.
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On December 07 2010 11:04 orgolove wrote:
I think I agree about the red pharmacist. One of the 3 deaths had claimed that he had a pill and won't die.
That would also account for the seemingly weird role count right now.
Or this. This makes way more sense than my crazy scenario.
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On December 07 2010 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out.
What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up.
He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss...
I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P
Well, I deny those allegations, of course. I can understand why you would want to explore that avenue of thinking, though.
I am still going to check aidnai tonight but if he is revealed by my check as Town, I say jcarlsoniv is our next lynch.
Also, I just did a quick check and Aeres has 4 of 6 votes on him:
kingjames01
jcarlsoniv
ghrur
orgolove
So either way you're going to have to trust me today. Tomorrow you can decide for yourselves.
Anyway, the current situation is as follows:
4 Town to 2 mafia
If we lynch a Red, then we'll be 4 - 1 heading into the night. Assuming that we lose a Townie overnight then it will be 3 - 1. Those are very good odds.
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On December 07 2010 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out.
What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up.
He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss...
I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P
Well, we know that there were 2 detectives, one sane and one insane. The other detective was killed - there is one detective left in the game. None else has claimed, and everything kingjames has said matches based on his claim as an insane detective.
And the role count can be explained by the existence of a red pharmacist. If the pill that the guy claimed to have before dying in day 3 was from the red pharmacist, then he must've taken the pill and died because of it - leading to 3 deaths - 1 mafia hit, 1 vigiliant miss, 1 death pill.
Btw, kingjames, let me get this straight. You got a pill last night, and took it immediately?
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Off-topic: does anyone else agree that ending the Day on a majority lynch makes the game go much faster? It's definitely a different dynamic than the person with the most votes gets lynched mechanic. It forces the mafia to use their votes strategically. I'm not sure who it favours since I've only experienced 3 lynches with this rule.
I think the, "Hey, everyone, let's vote as fast as we can so the mafia can't influence us!" is a pretty powerful tool but can be used by both Town and mafia.
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On December 07 2010 09:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, I received a pill last night which I took. Thanks to the pharmacist who kept me alive. =)
##unvote Aeres
At this point, the townie pharamcist can roleclaim. Even if he dies, we can get both mafia using today's lynch and tomorrow's lynch.
1. Did you really send a pill to kingjames01?
2. Can your pill be taken immediately after you send it to him?
I say this because I received a pill last night, but I am prohibited from taking it until the next day. I think Kingjames just made up the part about receiving a pill.
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On December 07 2010 11:10 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out.
What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up.
He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss...
I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P Well, we know that there were 2 detectives, one sane and one insane. The other detective was killed - there is one detective left in the game. None else has claimed, and everything kingjames has said matches based on his claim as an insane detective. And the role count can be explained by the existence of a red pharmacist. If the pill that the guy claimed to have before dying in day 3 was from the red pharmacist, then he must've taken the pill and died because of it - leading to 3 deaths - 1 mafia hit, 1 vigiliant miss, 1 death pill. Btw, kingjames, let me get this straight. You got a pill last night, and took it immediately?
Well, I didn't take it right away. I thought about it for a bit because I was worried about the possibility of a Red Pharmacist. I waited for a long time to see if a second pill would show up.
If 2 pills showed up, I'd take neither since mafia probably wouldn't stack their KPs. If only 1 pill showed up, I would take it and I did.
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On December 07 2010 11:17 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 09:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, I received a pill last night which I took. Thanks to the pharmacist who kept me alive. =)
##unvote AeresAt this point, the townie pharamcist can roleclaim. Even if he dies, we can get both mafia using today's lynch and tomorrow's lynch. 1. Did you really send a pill to kingjames01?2. Can your pill be taken immediately after you send it to him?I say this because I received a pill last night, but I am prohibited from taking it until the next day. I think Kingjames just made up the part about receiving a pill.
It's possible that you received a mafia death pill. That might be why Barundar saved his pill until the second night.
I had no such restriction on the pill I received.
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On December 07 2010 11:17 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 09:14 kingjames01 wrote:
Also, I received a pill last night which I took. Thanks to the pharmacist who kept me alive. =)
##unvote AeresAt this point, the townie pharamcist can roleclaim. Even if he dies, we can get both mafia using today's lynch and tomorrow's lynch. 1. Did you really send a pill to kingjames01?2. Can your pill be taken immediately after you send it to him?I say this because I received a pill last night, but I am prohibited from taking it until the next day. I think Kingjames just made up the part about receiving a pill.
I'm the townie pharmacist
I sent one to Kingjames last night.
However, I've also sent one to Barundar and Coagulation. Idk why they died. I think Barundar didn't eat it the first night probably because we both (red and green) pharmacists sent one to him. He probably ate the mafia one night 2, and Coag didn't eat my pill or something. =/ And yes, you're allowed my pill to be taken immediately.
Anyway, I said I left a hint. James, mind telling me my hint? you said you thought you found it.
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Well, why don't we ask the Town Pharmacist? ghrur, do you mind telling us who you sent your pill to last night?
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Oh! There you are! =)
I'll go look up the post. I found it Day 1.
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I'm going to wait for the town's pharmacist to speak up. The timing isn't the only thing that's wrong with what you mentioned btw.
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Hmm.
Was yours in pill form?
ghur, tell me, in what form is your medicine?
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On December 07 2010 11:25 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, why don't we ask the Town Pharmacist? ghrur, do you mind telling us who you sent your pill to last night?
Hahaha, okay, James is cleared for sure now.
Here's my reasoning:
If he were mafia, then he'd know the red pharmacist.
If he knew the pharmacist role, and he knew the other pharmacist was red, then he would know that I can't protect myself (which at this point, it shouldn't matter as mafia knows too).
If he knows this, then he would've hit me last night as mafia instead of Opz.
However, he did none of those. Therefore, he's cleared in my eyes.
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On December 07 2010 11:28 orgolove wrote:
Hmm.
Was yours in pill form?
ghur, tell me, in what form is your medicine?
My medicine is a bottle of pills. That's about as specific as my role PM gets.
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This is the post where I figured you out.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=21#401
On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p
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you can not unvote when you cast the hammer orgolove
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On December 07 2010 11:30 kingjames01 wrote:This is the post where I figured you out. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=21#401Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p
Oh jeez you're pro, lol. :p My hint was color.
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On December 07 2010 11:30 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 11:28 orgolove wrote:
Hmm.
Was yours in pill form?
ghur, tell me, in what form is your medicine? My medicine is a bottle of pills. That's about as specific as my role PM gets.
Ah, close enough. the exact form is a bottle of medicine. I'm assuming ppl just equate medicine with pills.
Ok, considering how fast you have responded, you two couldn't have coordinated all this so fast. I'm inclined to trust you.
## Vote: Aeres
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Night 5
Aeres the Poll Rigger was shot in front of the firing squad. Many remarked ballots came spilling out of his coat as his corpse fell to the ground. The mafia laughed again as the town panicked.
Poll Rigger - You can block a persons vote! PM me the name of a player during the day whose vote you want blocked and it will not be counted. You win with the town.
Mafia Wins
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Ah are you kidding me, I was the hammer? LOL I fear it!
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no, no. The Hammer is the last vote. There were 6 players so we only needed 4 votes. You cast the 4th, making you the Hammer for this lynch.
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The medic will be unable to act tonight, meaning mafia are guaranteed to kill and win the game immediately. I'm skipping the formality.
The Whisperer - You can send messages to other players anonymously. PM me the message and the name of the message you want sent and I will PM it to them. You can not hint at who you are/use your screenname in the message. You win if the town wins.
Psychic - You can sense how many mafia voted for each player that is lynched. You win when the town wins.
Priest - You can not cast the hammer (deciding vote). If someone casts the hammer on you, they will die.
The Executioner - You can only vote if you are casting the hammer (the deciding vote).
Hobo - You spend all day drunk in the town square. Because you stay in shady places, you have an idea of what everybody did at night but are too drunk to remember who they were. You know all night actions but not the names of the players who did them. You win if the town wins.
Zombie - You are the zombie. If you die at night you will resurrect as a zombie. Everyone will know you were hit though as you will roam the streets in public in search of brains. You win with the town. (This is a veteran role but everyone knows when you are hit the first time)
The Radar Tech - You own a special radar that can check if people are mafia. Choose a player at night to shoot a radar gun at. At the end of the night you get a list of people who visited them (including them) and how many of them were mafia.
Poll Rigger - You can block a persons vote! PM me the name of a player during the day whose vote you want blocked and it will not be counted. You win with the town.
Pharmacist - Anyone who visits or targets you is given a bottle of unmarked pills. Taking the pills will save them if they are hit that night. They can take the pills whenever they want.
The Lover - You have fallen in love with a mafia player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You can PM each other. However you must keep your relationship a secret. In addition, you have the powers of a tracker. You win with the town. Your lover is:
annul
Innocent Child - You are the innocent child. At a moment of your choosing you will be mod confirmed to the thread as being town aligned, but you can no longer vote. You win with the town.
Ghost - You haunt the thread after dying. You can post once per day and once per night cycle even after death, but you can not vote. You can not be acted upon during the night or act upon other players. You win with the town.
Mind Controller - You may change the target of another player's night action to a player of your choice at night.
rule added after night 1 - you can not redirect an action toward a teammate
Your mafia teammates are:
kingjames01
annul
aidnai
Schizophrenic Pharmacist - You suffer form schizophrenia. You have a psychotic obsession with the word "crazy".You have to use the word "crazy" in every single post you make. If you don't use the word "crazy" you will lose your powers as the mafia pharmacist.
Your power is to give a person a bottle of pills. They will not know what the drugs do when they take them, only that a pharmacist has given them drugs.
Diezapam - Kills them. (2 bottles)
Temazepam - Makes them fall asleep (roleblock, 3 bottles)
Clarezepam - Hypnotizes them into telling you something. (rolecheck, 1 bottle)
Psychopam - Gives them the word restriction (drama/dramatic) that they must use in every post or lose their role. (1 bottle)
The person receiving the drugs will be told they were mailed an unlabeled bottle of pills signed "from the pharmacist" and my choose to take it or not to. They can choose to take the pills at any time. Meaning if they choose not to take them immediately, they can decide to take them later.
kingjames01
annul
aidnai
Treacherous Lover - You have fallen in love with a town player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You win if the mafia wins. However you must keep your relationship a secret. You can PM each other. Your lover is: Node
Your mafia teammates are:
kingjames01
annul
aidnai
Aidnai: schizophrenic
Coagulation: The Whisperer
Fishball: Priest
Glasse: Poll Rigger
Node: Lover
Orgolove: Zombie
Pandain: Hobo
RebirthOfLeGenD: Innocent Child
SouthRawrea: Psychic
annul: Treacherous Lover
barundar: Radar Tech
deconduo: Executioner
ghrur: Pharmacist
jcalrsoniv: Ghost
kingjames01: Mind Controller
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FUCKING HATE YOU KJ
I FUCKING SWEAR I HATE YOU >_<
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I'm guessing the vigilant variety in this game only had one shot. And he wasted it night 1.
Didn't think you both were red...
Barring a freak killing, our only chance is the target surviving a lynch.
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gg
the bussing was planned from day 1.
the fighting between us was orchestrated and planned from the beginning. we knew the bus would come.
i had to fight it hard but with bad logic, so i could die. and i did <3
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wait wait, wtf? ghrur was a pharmacist? the hell...
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RoL...
You called Aidnai too.....arghhhhhh
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
I'm so full of rage.
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Conclusion:
Pharmacist is a shittier version of medic. The original version was that anyone who visits them is protected, but that is also really OP.
Priest/Executioner are both good roles but not if used in the same game.
Unsure about ghost because jcarls had no idea how to use his role.
Using the Whisperer to fake DT is a bad idea(he used his actions to confirm two mafia players as town). The best thing to do IMO is to send messages to players you suspect to gauge their reactions and see if they will claim it in the thread or not.
Radar Tech is really overpowered, too bad Barundar claimed it and got killed for it.
This game was setup for town to be extremely OP and mafia won anyway. GG
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On December 07 2010 11:39 orgolove wrote:
wait wait, wtf? ghrur was a pharmacist? the hell...
What? DIDN'T I JUST CLAIM? >_<
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On December 07 2010 11:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Conclusion:
Pharmacist is a shittier version of medic. The original version was that anyone who visits them is protected, but that is also really OP.
Priest/Executioner are both good roles but not if used in the same game.
Unsure about ghost because jcarls had no idea how to use his role.
Using the Whisperer to fake DT is a bad idea(he used his actions to confirm two mafia players as town). The best thing to do IMO is to send messages to players you suspect to gauge their reactions and see if they will claim it in the thread or not.
Radar Tech is really overpowered, too bad Barundar claimed it and got killed for it.
This game was setup for town to be extremely OP and mafia won anyway. GG
Couldn't help it when we lost 5 blues in one day. -_-
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Man, I wanted to push Aidnai too. ARG, I'M SUCH A NOOB. T_T Trusted KJ too much. Damn you KJ, damn you.
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There was no Night Vigilante.
Day 1:
I figured out that ghrur was the Pharmacist.
SouthRawrea got lynched.
Night 1:
aidnai sent a death pill to Barundar (which Barundar did not take).
I redirected ghrur's pill to annul.
Hit orgolove who turned out to be the Zombie.
Day 2
Fishball got lynched.
deconduo died in the retaliation.
Night 2
aidnai sent a death pill to Coagulation.
I redirected ghrur's pill to Node.
Barundar and Coagulation both took their pills.
Killed LSB.
Day 2
annul got lynched.
Node committed suicide.
Night 2
aidnai sent a role-check pill to Aeres.
I redirected ghrur's pill to orgolove.
Killed ~OpZ~.
Day 3
Aeres got lynched.
Night 2
I redirected ghrur's pill to jcarlsoniv.
Killed ghrur.
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So one key point was that we didn't know that there was a red pharmacist. SIGH
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By the way, jcarlsoniv figured it out but a little too late.
On December 07 2010 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out.
What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up.
He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss...
I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P
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GG guys, my scumhunting was wayyy off unfortunately. I shoulda killed aidnai instead And yes, executioner + priest in the same setup was evil -_-
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On December 07 2010 11:48 deconduo wrote:GG guys, my scumhunting was wayyy off unfortunately. I shoulda killed aidnai instead And yes, executioner + priest in the same setup was evil -_-
Not as bad as mine. Omg, my crappy play basically threw away the game. >_<
Damnit, I was hoping you'd expect me to be veteran after throwing my self against Decond and Aidnai instead of Pharmacist. >_<
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Well, I knew you were Pharmacist based on your post not because of your behaviour. Once we knew that information, we spent all game moving your pills around so the Town was unprotected.
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lol I definitely suspected the possibility of kj scum (inv target being lover was way too convenient) but even if I was in this game, yeah, I don't think I would have successfully persuaded the town into disbelieving the claim. So very well played gambit here.
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OMFG I can't believe I called that, lmao.
Well played KJ. Too bad I was a little too slow on my thoughts.
GG that was fun.
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I knew ghrur was pharmacist too =)
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On December 07 2010 11:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
lol I definitely suspected the possibility of kj scum (inv target being lover was way too convenient) but even if I was in this game, yeah, I don't think I would have successfully persuaded the town into disbelieving the claim. So very well played gambit here.
I suspected it, and that's why I brought up the mylo thing, but I didn't wanna think about WIFOM. =/ So... lol. And it was basically too late anyway.
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Why Didn't you guys lynch KingJames the instant he claimed Mind Controller????????
WHYYY??????
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On December 07 2010 12:01 LSB wrote:
Why Didn't you guys lynch KingJames the instant he claimed Mind Controller????????
WHYYY??????
He claimed Hypnotist/Insane DT instead of Mind Controller. But... good point.
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I thought he meant insane DT. And things just fit together too neatly.
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Actually, I didn't claim Mind Controller... I claimed Hypnotist.
On December 05 2010 18:35 kingjames01 wrote:First off, this is my clue: Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies I am the Hypnotist. My ability allows me to hypnotize one player each night. They do not remember that they've been visited and DrH PMs me their alignment at the end of the Night. At first I didn't realize that this clue referred to me. I actually thought this following clue referred to me since I can essentially take over someone and read their mind. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. In order to keep 'my' role hidden, I pretended that I didn't know what it meant and implied that it was a Brain Surgeon. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:35 kingjames01 wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Brain Surgeon? When ~OpZ~ said that it was actually a Zombie, I took that opportunity to hide myself further: Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 04:13 kingjames01 wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Zombie At this point, we had been discussing that there were 2 DTs in the game and that 1 would be sane and the other insane. When SouthRawrea got lynched and flipped Psychic, I finally realized that we were all wrong about that first clue indicating the presence of 2 Detectives and that SouthRawrea and I were the two players with a third eye. The only question left to answer was, "which of SouthRawrea and I was insane?" Since SouthRawrea had been lynched I knew that I had to keep myself hidden because I believed myself to be the last remaining information role. Then, Barundar claimed DT. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:06 Barundar wrote:On December 02 2010 11:20 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town. From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night. Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight? Also I claim detective (of a sort). Immediately after that, Coagulation made his fake claim to the second DT. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 13:24 Coagulation wrote:
I have a nerfed dt role i basically get to check one player every night however I dont get the results
the results are whispered to a random player and i dont know who receives it. I didn't understand it right away but I thought that they were trying to screen for what they thought were 2 DTs. Instead of screaming "LYNCH ALL LIARS", I decided to help them and use the opportunity to stay hidden. So I pretended to organize the town around them so that they would draw hits for me: Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:
Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning.
Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well.
There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to.
Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. During Night 1, I chose to check RebirthOfLeGenD. His voice was very strong in the game and I wanted to know for sure if he was Town or mafia. He had already put together a list of possible suspects and was campaigning very hard. If he turned out to be mafia, then he was worth claiming for just to silence him. So I decided for the first night I would check RebirthOfLeGenD. Before the Night phase began, RebirthOfLeGenD was replaced by ~OpZ~. Instantly ~OpZ~ went on the attack and derided my attempts to decipher DrH's hints. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 14:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01 Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 01:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:
It's faulty discussion. We have no proof about any role in the game. What is my role? My role is the "God." I have the power to decide what is restricted during the day phase of each day, and to possibly change it.
Tell me you would have guessed that as a role. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 01:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I don't like the blue role discussion, because it's meaningless. You can guess all day long, but don't make that the center of discussion. We should be pressuring folks. Would a pro-town player be so against gaining information about possible mafia abilities? I sent in my request to hypnotize ~OpZ~. In the morning DrH PMd me that when ~OpZ~ was hypnotized, he revealed that he was Red. Since I didn't know my sanity I had to watch ~OpZ~ very carefully to see what he would do. The only problem was, ~OpZ~ never came back to the thread. I tried to bait him out: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 04:30 kingjames01 wrote:
~OpZ~, a wise mod once told me, that the person who encourages the town to scum-hunt but does not do so himself is usually the Godfather. Why don't you come out of hiding and contribute? I'm interested in what you're going to say and who you're going to protect/condemn. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:16 kingjames01 wrote:
For now, I'll switch my vote to ~OpZ~ just to avoid any possible Traitor mechanic.
##Unvote Fishball
##Vote ~OpZ~ Basically, I had nothing to determine my sanity with. Then ~OpZ~ was revealed to be the Innocent Child. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case. From this I knew that I was insane. I worked through my list of suspects and how many players I could link together and decided that annul was too suspicious to be town. He deliberately started and continued a fight that would help mafia stay hidden. Any information that he offered in terms of roles were recycled ideas that had already been mentioned. Also, in all of his posts, he never once provides an analysis on a suspect. Instead, he quoted other people's posts and used that as justification for voting. He tried to keep the town focused on Fishball and orgolove. His two most likely suspects both had been revealed to be Town. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote:
so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote:
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow My conclusion: annul was mafia. All I needed to do now was to keep attention focused on Barundar and Coagulation so I could keep hypnotizing people. I 'organized' the town so that Barundar and Coagulation could draw hits for me again. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:
Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia.
Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit.
Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did.
Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.
The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town.
In the morning DrH sent me a PM saying that, in his delirium annul revealed that he is Green. annul started the day by suggesting the extra Night hits were due to a town-aligned Night Vigilante. I knew he was lying to spread confusion so I tried my best to keep the town calm. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 04:57 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote:
maybe there is a night vig somewhere No, I disagree with this statement. I don't think that there is a Night Vigilante; at least not a Town-aligned one. On December 05 2010 01:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day 3 3 bodies were found floating in a pool in the morning. Why would a pro-town vigilante dump the body in the same place as the other hits? If we believe that at least one of these 3 were killed by the mafia, we should assume that all of them were. On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig So let's suppose that we have an anti-town Night Vigilante running around. Then only 2 of the 3 victims are accounted for. So what happened to Barundar? So now, I'm convinced based on my checks that annul is Mafia. I was not going to claim so quickly because of the apparent increase in the number of mafia KPs and because I was hoping to draw out his fellow mafia. Also, by revealing myself, I now need to request protection tonight. TOWN: annul is Red. Lynch him so we can take back control of the town!
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On December 07 2010 12:02 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:01 LSB wrote:
Why Didn't you guys lynch KingJames the instant he claimed Mind Controller????????
WHYYY?????? He claimed Hypnotist/Insane DT instead of Mind Controller. But... good point.
Dude! He was the bus driver!!! That's what you get when you let the mafia 'look up' the posts for you.
Always do everything by yourself =D!
I was like "nooooooo!!! Why so much fail!!!!"
W/e gj Kingjames!
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On December 07 2010 12:06 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:02 ghrur wrote:On December 07 2010 12:01 LSB wrote:
Why Didn't you guys lynch KingJames the instant he claimed Mind Controller????????
WHYYY?????? He claimed Hypnotist/Insane DT instead of Mind Controller. But... good point. Dude! He was the bus driver!!! That's what you get when you let the mafia 'look up' the posts for you. Always do everything by yourself =D! I was like "nooooooo!!! Why so much fail!!!!" W/e gj Kingjames!
hehe
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On December 06 2010 08:32 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 05:55 LSB wrote:
I'll claim that I can see all the night actions, I don't know who did them, but Doc H Pmed them to me.
And Someone hypnotized someone Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. Also, I am not the Insane DT. I am the Hypnotist. LSB's Hobo ability corroborated the existence of my power. What is your ability and how does it work?
There you go, someone Hypnotized someone.
On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote:
Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town.
Guess I should have made it more clear that Hypnotist = Bus Driver.
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On December 07 2010 12:09 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 08:32 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 05:55 LSB wrote:
I'll claim that I can see all the night actions, I don't know who did them, but Doc H Pmed them to me.
And Someone hypnotized someone On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. Also, I am not the Insane DT. I am the Hypnotist. LSB's Hobo ability corroborated the existence of my power. What is your ability and how does it work? There you go, someone Hypnotized someone. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 06:10 LSB wrote:
Since I believe the mafia roles are Lover, Vote Corrupter, and Bus Driver. I’m going to say that Fishball is probably town.
Guess I should have made it more clear that Hypnotist = Bus Driver.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Wow, T_T Fail.
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hypnotist is not busdriver
it is redirector
the roles are distinctly different
busdriver changes 2 people and thus the targets of all actions on them
so busdriver switches A and B. all actions toward B go to A and all actions toward A go to B
redirector changes one players target. so he changes player a's target to B
so A chose to investigate C but had his target changed to B
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On December 07 2010 11:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, crazy crazy WIFOM just hit my brain, just hear me out.
What is kingjames is scum and lying about being the insane detective? I know it's unlikely, but just a scenario I want to bring up.
He knows annul is the lover. He knows that annul will die and take out Node when he dies. This puts the town into mylo. KJ uses this to false claim DT and incriminate annul, using Opz's public town confirmation as his explanation. He then uses everyone's trust to kill aeres, who turns up to be town, and this wins mafia the game. It would also kind of explain why our role count is amiss...
I know it's highly unlikely, and so convoluted, but holy shit my brain just exploded. Plus, I wouldn't put it past KJ, he's a damn good player. =P
Gotta stick to your guns man, there is no way the mafia would of let KJ live that long when he was showcasing "solid" play and scum hunting.
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Actually, if you read my post, it was very plausible. I didn't lie about anything.
annul, aidnai and I spent all game preparing for the moment that I would be bussing annul. We just didn't know the circumstances.
Here are the things I had to consider.
- I had to have 'checked' annul
- I had to pretend that I needed 2 nights to prove my sanity to myself
- My checks had to make sense with what was going on at the time so I couldn't just have checked anyone
- I had to use my clue so that I didn't conflict with Aeres who had the only role I did not know at that time
- LSB said that someone hypnotized someone else.
So I put all of these things together into one post. When I wrote that post, at first I pretended that I had checked Barundar and then annul, but the details didn't fit together so well. So I had to choose someone else. The best person to pretend to have checked was ~OpZ~. The best way that I could think of to use my 'hypnosis' was to pretend that they tell me their alignment.
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@DoctorH Close enough, didn't get it down perfectly then. But changing someone's actions is pretty clearly a scum role.
Well, I think it was more of me not wanting to release who the hypnotist targeted night one (The pharmacist).
Kingjames then just slipped through that crack.
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That last post was directed at LSB. =)
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On December 07 2010 12:14 LSB wrote:
@DoctorH Close enough, didn't get it down perfectly then. But changing someone's actions is pretty clearly a scum role.
Well, I think it was more of me not wanting to release who the hypnotist targeted night one (The pharmacist).
Kingjames then just slipped through that crack.
If you did release that information, it would have made my role-claim harder but not impossible. I pretended that by hypnotizing someone I learn their alignment. I didn't change their action.
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Town isn't nearly as OP as you think since the radar gunner claimed so early. -_-
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My pm was
Someone sent a package of pills, but was hypnotized into sending it to somebody else.
And I didn't want to confirm that the mafia was able to snipe a blue.
>.<
Well then again, if I revealed that, you wouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place.
If only you listened when I was like "Don't hit me! I'm perfectly harmless! Let me live!!"
On December 04 2010 14:31 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote:
DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful. LSB, I thought you were the tracker? Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town. Don't protect me, my role is useless now. The PM I get isn't going to change, everyone has the same roles, same actions. Go protect the DTs (I'm not tracker)
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On December 07 2010 12:17 LSB wrote:My pm was Show nested quote +Someone sent a package of pills, but was hypnotized into sending it to somebody else. And I didn't want to confirm that the mafia was able to snipe a blue. >.< Well then again, if I revealed that, you wouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place. If only you listened when I was like "Don't hit me! I'm perfectly harmless! Let me live!!" Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 14:31 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote:
DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful. LSB, I thought you were the tracker? Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town. Don't protect me, my role is useless now. The PM I get isn't going to change, everyone has the same roles, same actions. Go protect the DTs (I'm not tracker)
haha, yeah... after I figured out that you were the Hobo we had a very long discussion about how to eliminate you. I wasn't sure if Hobo's had mailboxes and whether they could be sent death pills. Also, in some instances Hobos are immune to Night Kills since they don't have houses. Anyway, we took our chance. =)
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On December 07 2010 12:17 orgolove wrote:
Town isn't nearly as OP as you think since the radar gunner claimed so early. -_-
The town was OP as fuck. You guys just played bad, the mafia was almost extremely fucked. If the hammer was put down on Aidnai they lost 2 KP on the spot right there and one of the mafia people died with Node so it was twice as likely for him to die randomly. If Node played by his town aligned win conditions he could of just posted the most retarded shit, claimed mafia and got a mafia killed with him. I don't think that breaks his role rules that he couldn't say annul was mafia.
KJ role was alright, just basically a bus driver. But the town had 2 roles that get confirmed basically (OpZ and Orgolove?) and one OP as shit DT in the radar tech as well as a stalker. The town had such a huge advantage in this set up but the mafia played really well. KJ recognized what I was doing when I was attacking aidnai that hard, I was trying to lure out other mafia and he stayed low-key until I left the game, at which point he took real control over the town. The ploy with Annul in thread was awesome and this game really showcased high level mafia team play and coordination. They coordinated well all talked together and came up with a general plan that could be applied to all situations later on in the game by getting a solid advantage then bussing annul for credibility and taking down another townie with him, as well as allowing KJ to lead the town to their doom.
Props to Aidnai for not tripping up and attacking me right back, and the same for KJ and Annul for not getting pulled into the light. From then on it was showcase manipulation. One day you townies will learn that role claiming is dumb as shit in these set ups and only helps the mafia pick out more deadly targets.
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I am sad face that I was right =(
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Your evolving jcarl! Don't be sad, it means you are getting better :D
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On December 07 2010 12:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Your evolving jcarl! Don't be sad, it means you are getting better :D
Hahaha, even if I wanted to, I don't think I would have been able to convince town to lynch KJ, especially because it was mylo. HE had a very convincing case.
I was like "should I even bother posting this?"
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On December 07 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:17 LSB wrote:My pm was Someone sent a package of pills, but was hypnotized into sending it to somebody else. And I didn't want to confirm that the mafia was able to snipe a blue. >.< Well then again, if I revealed that, you wouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place. If only you listened when I was like "Don't hit me! I'm perfectly harmless! Let me live!!" On December 04 2010 14:31 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote:
DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful. LSB, I thought you were the tracker? Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town. Don't protect me, my role is useless now. The PM I get isn't going to change, everyone has the same roles, same actions. Go protect the DTs (I'm not tracker) haha, yeah... after I figured out that you were the Hobo we had a very long discussion about how to eliminate you. I wasn't sure if Hobo's had mailboxes and whether they could be sent death pills. Also, in some instances Hobos are immune to Night Kills since they don't have houses. Anyway, we took our chance. =)
All right, next game I'm going to start by claiming vet or bulletproof. That'll do the trick!
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Speaking of evolving, I wonder how many more asskickings I'm gonna need before I evolve.
I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/
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I'm going to post my thoughts on the game now.
So the first thing that comes to mind was the claiming of the Town Detective, Barundar. His role was very powerful in such a small game. If he had stayed hidden he would have been able to keep the mafia on a very tight leash. Any mistakes and Town would have been handed the victory. However, by claiming he forced any pro-town Pharmacist to protect him. This gives mafia complete freedom at Night to hit anyone else. If there are only 3 mafia, then DO NOT CLAIM until you either find a mafia or you are going to be lynched.
Next, Coagulation had a good idea. He was trying to screen for the second DT. However, he played his cards too soon. 2 DTs with only 2 Pharmacists and no PMs means that the Pharmacists cannot coordinate. Someone important is going to die.
Also, he needed more time to choose either a very pro-town player or a very anti-town player to 'reveal'. Finally, he should not have chosen Fishball to be his recipient. Fishball just confused the town with his refusal to comply.
I think that when someone says, "Hey, everyone get ready for me to reveal my check. We'll vote really fast so that mafia can't interefere!" is probably a sign that the person does not want people to think about what they're doing.
Do not role claim unless you have to. That reduces the number of places essential roles could be hiding. Remember, in a no PM game, mafia knows everything that you do but a little more. In this case, they knew the roles of 3 more players. That allows them to sift through the hints and gives them more lee-way to fake a role claim.
I guess I will repeat what I feel is the most important thing for players to do is: Think about why someone posted and what their intent was. That goes a really long way in terms of analysis. It can help save time when working through spam or picking key pieces of information that might lead to a lynch or to identifying Blues.
Nothing else really comes to mind. I guess some advice for any mafia players that come across this game.
Don't despair when facing long odds. The most important thing to remember as mafia is PATIENCE. There will be times when you feel as though you are under pressure to post or defend yourself. It is usually a good idea to refrain from doing so. When it is time, do it with some force.
The example here is RoL pushing aidnai really hard. aidnai did the right thing by not responding until some of the heat died down. Then he continued the good play by pushing back real hard and not just with a "hey, honest! I'm not Red, look somewhere else" post.
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On December 07 2010 12:38 ghrur wrote:
Speaking of evolving, I wonder how many more asskickings I'm gonna need before I evolve.
I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/
Want me to start another Mini mafia? I could do a vanilla 7v2.
I'm also thinking of testing a 5v1 with special rules, but maybe start that when Insane Mafia 2 gets into the ready stage.
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MVP: kingjames01 for obvious reasons
Belkar award for worst player: Barundar. Never ever claim so early as a DT especially when your role is so overpowered. You can't count on medic protection to survive.
youngminii award for underuse of role: jcarlsoniv. by claiming you defeat the purpose of your role. with your role you are free to scumhunt/post whatever you wish but by claiming you guaranteed the mafia would never waste a hit on you. you're a nerfed veteran in a lot of ways.
WAT award for strangest play: coagulations claim of DT as whisperer. he used his role to confirm mafia players as town but it didn't end up doing damage. he managed to divert a hit onto him, but he should have used his power for stenography imo. he can essentially carry on a private message by giving a player a codeword to use in public, this can be used to help the pharmacist not waste pills on him or to trick mafia players
it was an interesting play though and he certainly found a way to make his role impact the game
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gg mafia. kingjames in particular really put town through the wringer.
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On December 07 2010 12:42 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:38 ghrur wrote:
Speaking of evolving, I wonder how many more asskickings I'm gonna need before I evolve.
I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/ Want me to start another Mini mafia? I could do a vanilla 7v2. I'm also thinking of testing a 5v1 with special rules, but maybe start that when Insane Mafia 2 gets into the ready stage.
Hmmm, isn't pokemon mafia starting up as a mini mafia? I'd love to have these mini-mafias constantly running though, lol. Cuz I'd join like, every one.
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id wait for communist to finish and just start doing regular C9/F11's for newbies imo
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On December 07 2010 12:38 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:On December 07 2010 12:17 LSB wrote:My pm was Someone sent a package of pills, but was hypnotized into sending it to somebody else. And I didn't want to confirm that the mafia was able to snipe a blue. >.< Well then again, if I revealed that, you wouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place. If only you listened when I was like "Don't hit me! I'm perfectly harmless! Let me live!!" On December 04 2010 14:31 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote:
DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful. LSB, I thought you were the tracker? Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town. Don't protect me, my role is useless now. The PM I get isn't going to change, everyone has the same roles, same actions. Go protect the DTs (I'm not tracker) haha, yeah... after I figured out that you were the Hobo we had a very long discussion about how to eliminate you. I wasn't sure if Hobo's had mailboxes and whether they could be sent death pills. Also, in some instances Hobos are immune to Night Kills since they don't have houses. Anyway, we took our chance. =) All right, next game I'm going to start by claiming vet or bulletproof. That'll do the trick!
Well, if you didn't want us to know you were the Hobo, then you have to resist the urge to make witty clues about your role... =)
On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending?
On December 02 2010 06:54 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending? I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets.
On December 02 2010 06:54 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:54 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending? I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets. So are you the hobo?
Again, no one should role claim unless absolutely necessary. =)
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Yeah, I deserve that award. I hadn't thought of that. Live and learn. I thought I could help confirm DTs.
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On December 07 2010 12:44 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:42 LSB wrote:On December 07 2010 12:38 ghrur wrote:
Speaking of evolving, I wonder how many more asskickings I'm gonna need before I evolve.
I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/ Want me to start another Mini mafia? I could do a vanilla 7v2. I'm also thinking of testing a 5v1 with special rules, but maybe start that when Insane Mafia 2 gets into the ready stage. Hmmm, isn't pokemon mafia starting up as a mini mafia? I'd love to have these mini-mafias constantly running though, lol. Cuz I'd join like, every one.
I think I am going to run a mini mafia variant in around 2 weeks as a type of bootcamp.
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GG everybody, I had a lot of fun. In fact, I didn't have to drink any coffee in the morning while RoL was playing... it was pretty much pure adrenaline from the constant danger
Thanks to Annul and KJ for coaching me through, i learned a lot. I'll be a stronger player next game, whichever role i'm cast.
From the town's perspective, the roleclaims really really hurt. They gave mafia much more info than anyone else, especially since we (mostly) knew they weren't fake. We weren't even that surprised about coag, since one of his first posts was "I have to run town circle" which didn't exactly fit his later claim. In a game with so little information, I felt like I was going to slip up every time i posted; that is, until we had more info. Once we had all the info from the roleclaims and whatnot, we were able to post confidently, spam a lot more about clues and such, and form a gameplan around who are targets would be.
I felt like Node should have gotten himself killed, and town should not have put up with the KJ/Annul fight, or with their spam in general. I'm quite surprised I lived as well...
I think scum are gonna win over in salem too... poor town
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oh yeah, SR had a pretty good town role and went AFK probably because the other game was getting interesting, which ended up hurting town pretty bad. -_- It let me off the hook, plus we got rid of a free information role...
The fishball lynch was kinda crazy... I really think the priest is a horrible role that we should never see again (unless executioner is scum?).
Pandain, if you read this, thanks for sticking up for me rofl... I felt guilty letting you argue on my behalf, and i wondered what I would do in your shoes... I honestly don't see what RoL saw in my posts, which is ok 'cause he's played a lot more than me, and I think I would have done the exact same thing as you. Anyway, I hope you don't feel too bad about that <3.
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That was a fun game though. It was nice and crazy, and, while unbalanced, was definitely entertaining. I would love to take part in more of your experimental games Doc =)
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I agree. I said this to DrH already but I'll say it publicly.
I very much enjoyed taking part in this game and I appreciate that you let me know when it was about to start. =)
The game was very entertaining and I enjoyed the being able to experience first-hand the majority vote mechanic.
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Oh, so it's finally over.
I thought it was so overkill with Mafia deceiving the Town even further by lynching one of their own.
Anyways, like I said from the start, this game was an experiment for me as well. Since this game was not meant to be serious, after I received my in-game role PM, seeing that I've never exactly played the "pest" role before, I decided to take this opportunity and give it a run to see how effective my play can be. As most of you saw, it was pretty damn effective. I got a lot of attention, for good and bad, and caused confusion when I started to come up front with information. Ah yes, confusion...
There are quite a bit of players here that I haven't exactly played with before, my second goal is basically player profiling (I generally don't read games I don't play so I won't know). When I started to bring up information (sincere info mind you, ahem), a lot of players shared their own views and opinions; It's totally normal for a player to be confused at that point, but the reactions I received varied a lot. Some took this as a sure-scum-tell, but some slowed down and started think. I'm not going to go too deep into detail here, as like mentioned, this is for myself, but you guys get the point.
Now back to the overall game itself. Due to my role, I expected to be lynched from the very beginning. I don't necessarily have to be lynched, but totally expected to due to the play style I choose. Right before the last vote, I announced my lynch doesn't guarantee it will benefit town. The reason behind that, is to tip the chance of a Mafia hammer as much as possible, even by a little bit. If you guys back track the votes, it was very close to getting aidnai killed. Only if Aeres didn't make that little play of "losing his own vote", and Barundar didn't unvote... I've hinted quite a few times in the thread not to unvote me if you've already voted, but no one seem to caught on. Aeres using his vote canceling ability twice in a row on players who voted for me also baffles me, adding fuel to the fire for no apparent reason.
Midway through, after I announced the fact that I got a whisper regarding Coagulation's "check", he immediately asked me in the thread openly if the target he checked was a Medic or not. That immediately raised an alarm for me... You just don't ask that.
1. If you read it from a pro-town perspective, any other pro-town player will never announce that to the public.
2. The fact that he asked if the player has a specific role, and have claimed beforehand that he does not get any information from the checks, would raise a huge eyebrow to any semi-decent player due to contradicting information; His credibility just got shot to hell. There were times in the game that I thought he was pro-town, but the puzzle never really did add up based on reasons above. I was never really able to give him my vote of confidence. KJ also voiced a few times for the information, but I was too focused on dealing with the bombardment from everyone else, I totally let him slip by until later, just before I was about to get lynched.
On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote:
I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this.
In Insane Mafia, KJ has been so pro-town, he stood out as the only player I thought "has to be green". Even the Mafia killed him on Day 1. I've also heard praises for him in other games, yet he pulls a move like this? Still, it was my own mistake for not realizing it right away, being blinded by everything else.
As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy, hence why I had the lone vote on him on Day 1. Reason, pretty much like KJ...
On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote:
One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid.
Which means he has a different agenda.
After that, he stayed low profile and with me dealing with everything else, I lost my sights on him
Oroglove, all I have to say to you is, nothing is ever black and white in a game of Mafia. I really did not want to waste my time explain nor argue with you in the thread.
I did had a good chuckle when I saw this:
On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Here....let me make things a little more funny. Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here.
Then immediately after:
On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.
As for jcarlsoniv, I'm guilty for missing his ability explanation, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Actually I had to ask KJ to quote a bunch of other posts for me as well . Still, my point still stands. You should never say "I will lynch you since you are not helping Town", it has been explained so many times why this is bad coming from a town perspective. You're basically just painting yourself red. You being reluctant to get yourself lynched and be a confirmed Townie, while "still being able to play", in addition to the quote above led me to believe you were red. It wasn't without reason.
I've mentioned once in the thread, I didn't have time to look at the inactives at all, so I never had anything on aidnai.
Last but not least, the clues. I would say these two threw us off pretty bad, especially the latter.
- Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies
- A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer
I've already talked to DH about this, and I understand this is an experimental game, so there is not much to add here.
Well, this pretty much wraps up my thoughts regarding this game. I learned something new, and found something new.
In 3 years, about 20'ish of Mafia games played on TL, this was my first time being lynched. Judging by the results, I think I'm set for the VI role now.
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On December 07 2010 15:18 Fishball wrote:Oh, so it's finally over. I thought it was so overkill with Mafia deceiving the Town even further by lynching one of their own. Anyways, like I said from the start, this game was an experiment for me as well. Since this game was not meant to be serious, after I received my in-game role PM, seeing that I've never exactly played the "pest" role before, I decided to take this opportunity and give it a run to see how effective my play can be. As most of you saw, it was pretty damn effective. I got a lot of attention, for good and bad, and caused confusion when I started to come up front with information. Ah yes, confusion... There are quite a bit of players here that I haven't exactly played with before, my second goal is basically player profiling (I generally don't read games I don't play so I won't know). When I started to bring up information (sincere info mind you, ahem), a lot of players shared their own views and opinions; It's totally normal for a player to be confused at that point, but the reactions I received varied a lot. Some took this as a sure-scum-tell, but some slowed down and started think. I'm not going to go too deep into detail here, as like mentioned, this is for myself, but you guys get the point. Now back to the overall game itself. Due to my role, I expected to be lynched from the very beginning. I don't necessarily have to be lynched, but totally expected to due to the play style I choose. Right before the last vote, I announced my lynch doesn't guarantee it will benefit town. The reason behind that, is to tip the chance of a Mafia hammer as much as possible, even by a little bit. If you guys back track the votes, it was very close to getting aidnai killed. Only if Aeres didn't make that little play of "losing his own vote", and Barundar didn't unvote... I've hinted quite a few times in the thread not to unvote me if you've already voted, but no one seem to caught on. Aeres using his vote canceling ability twice in a row on players who voted for me also baffles me, adding fuel to the fire for no apparent reason.
Midway through, after I announced the fact that I got a whisper regarding Coagulation's "check", he immediately asked me in the thread openly if the target he checked was a Medic or not. That immediately raised an alarm for me... You just don't ask that. 1. If you read it from a pro-town perspective, any other pro-town player will never announce that to the public. 2. The fact that he asked if the player has a specific role, and have claimed beforehand that he does not get any information from the checks, would raise a huge eyebrow to any semi-decent player due to contradicting information; His credibility just got shot to hell. There were times in the game that I thought he was pro-town, but the puzzle never really did add up based on reasons above. I was never really able to give him my vote of confidence. KJ also voiced a few times for the information, but I was too focused on dealing with the bombardment from everyone else, I totally let him slip by until later, just before I was about to get lynched. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote:
I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. In Insane Mafia, KJ has been so pro-town, he stood out as the only player I thought "has to be green". Even the Mafia killed him on Day 1. I've also heard praises for him in other games, yet he pulls a move like this? Still, it was my own mistake for not realizing it right away, being blinded by everything else.
As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy, hence why I had the lone vote on him on Day 1. Reason, pretty much like KJ... Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote:
One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid.
Which means he has a different agenda. After that, he stayed low profile and with me dealing with everything else, I lost my sights on him
Oroglove, all I have to say to you is, nothing is ever black and white in a game of Mafia. I really did not want to waste my time explain nor argue with you in the thread. I did had a good chuckle when I saw this: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote:On December 04 2010 09:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Here....let me make things a little more funny. Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here. Then immediately after: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.
As for jcarlsoniv, I'm guilty for missing his ability explanation, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Actually I had to ask KJ to quote a bunch of other posts for me as well . Still, my point still stands. You should never say "I will lynch you since you are not helping Town", it has been explained so many times why this is bad coming from a town perspective. You're basically just painting yourself red. You being reluctant to get yourself lynched and be a confirmed Townie, while "still being able to play", in addition to the quote above led me to believe you were red. It wasn't without reason.
I've mentioned once in the thread, I didn't have time to look at the inactives at all, so I never had anything on aidnai. Last but not least, the clues. I would say these two threw us off pretty bad, especially the latter. - Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies- A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammerI've already talked to DH about this, and I understand this is an experimental game, so there is not much to add here. Well, this pretty much wraps up my thoughts regarding this game. I learned something new, and found something new. In 3 years, about 20'ish of Mafia games played on TL, this was my first time being lynched. Judging by the results, I think I'm set for the VI role now.
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.
Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.
Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.
Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.
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On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.
Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.
Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.
Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.
Oh I never take one game, write it in a book and call it a day. I never do that. Hence I didn't want to explain too much and keep blabbering about something that is not really related to the game. This is your second game with me, so I'm not surprised if you don't know how I roll. In short, let's just say style is changeable, but certain things are not. This is the most diplomatic way I can word it, lol...
As for the clues, like I said, I've already talked to DH, he acknowledged it, so that is that. Yes, I know what you are trying to say, but something that basic is not what I'm trying to argue nor point out. I've played games with clues and without, so this isn't the issue.
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Ah okay! =)
My intention is not to offend, so please take none from my words! =) I look forward to playing with you again soon!
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Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =)
I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =)
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I claimed DT from what I had seen LSB doing in the protect yo village game. Since we had a psychic, I figured I would be the other DT and get protected. By far the most frustrating moment for me was when I couldn't get Aidnai lynched without RoL. I it was certain, but apparantly the only reason people voted for him was beceause of RoL's reputation.
Also these 2 comments in combination made me feel really bad about putting pressure on Aidnai alone, considering I also got knocked out early in Salem:
On December 01 2010 08:25 LSB wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I don't know anything about the game, but what's up with the kill the new kid trend?
P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_-
Very well played KJ. Was that like the 4th DT claim in the game?
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On December 07 2010 16:08 kingjames01 wrote:
Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =)
I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =)
Well, I do noticed you like to use "=)" a lot.
Just look at the PM chain you had with me, or even at the two posts you just posted. You're like one of those people that uses "XD" in every sentence. OMG! If annoying me is one of your main goal, you're definitely succeeding...
To be honest, all I have on you was already mentioned in my big post up top. I know you're smart, and was extremely pro-town in one game. Then in another game your "alignment" is the other way around. I can understand being "less" pro-town in order to avoid being targeted early in the game, but pushing for "forbidden" information on the other hand, I mean what the hell? You know better than that (Fine example of "Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*).
Basically, the difference is a little bit too extreme don't you think?
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On December 07 2010 15:56 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.
Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.
Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.
Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.
Oh I never take one game, write it in a book and call it a day. I never do that. Hence I didn't want to explain too much and keep blabbering about something that is not really related to the game. This is your second game with me, so I'm not surprised if you don't know how I roll. In short, let's just say style is changeable, but certain things are not. This is the most diplomatic way I can word it, lol... As for the clues, like I said, I've already talked to DH, he acknowledged it, so that is that. Yes, I know what you are trying to say, but something that basic is not what I'm trying to argue nor point out. I've played games with clues and without, so this isn't the issue.
be like me yo! Take no prisoners! Rape EVERYONE!
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On December 07 2010 16:41 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 16:08 kingjames01 wrote:
Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =)
I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =)
Well, I do noticed you like to use "=)" a lot. Just look at the PM chain you had with me, or even at the two posts you just posted. You're like one of those people that uses "XD" in every sentence. OMG! If annoying me is one of your main goal, you're definitely succeeding... To be honest, all I have on you was already mentioned in my big post up top. I know you're smart, and was extremely pro-town in one game. Then in another game your "alignment" is the other way around. I can understand being "less" pro-town in order to avoid being targeted early in the game, but pushing for "forbidden" information on the other hand, I mean what the hell? You know better than that (Fine example of "Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*). Basically, the difference is a little bit too extreme don't you think?
Ah, so apparently, you didn't see this post that I made before the game and before any role PMs went out.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=2#21
On November 30 2010 05:32 kingjames01 wrote:
I plan to use this Experimental game to try out some new things. We'll see how it goes. =)
Annoying your opponents is one of the most important tools in Mafia. I think that when utilized correctly, you stand to gain a lot of information about the other player. It's just like in Poker. Any professional can tell you that how a person handles minor conflict says a lot about them when they are really challenged. If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =) Also, from the PM chain, I've deduced that you didn't understand the point of my responses. Using those PM's I've learned more about you outside of a Mafia setting and that information is priceless.
If you would like to also compare my play to my first ever game, look up Mafia XXXI. In that game, I was the Mafia Roleblocker. Here I was given a very similar role as the Redirector and I used it to achieve the same effect by moving ghrur's pills around.
However, I was VERY pro-town in XXXI and I think I was only ever suspected by one person. I doubt you'll find anything that is similar between these two games even if you try. =) Everything I did in this game, I did on purpose... Including the smileys. =)
Again, I look forward to playing Mafia with you soon. =)
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In fact, I was so intrigued by your statement, ""Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*" that I just went through ALL of my posts in Mafia XXXI. I don't know the exact number of posts but probably close to 100 or more, I used exactly 3 =) and was complimented post-game at how pro-town I made myself appear.
How am I supposed to be successful in any future games if I have been so easily typecasted as:
- pro-town mafia (XXXI)
- lurking mafia (Experimental)
- pro-town Town (Insane and Sengoku)?
I truly did try something new for the Experimental Mini Mafia and everything I did and said was purposeful. From the beginning of the game, annul, aidnai and I were planning for the late-game and as early as XXXI I was planning for future games. =)
However, this is the kind of stuff that I was asking for. I am really interested in what people picked up from my play this game and what kinds of things weren't noticed.
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On December 07 2010 17:48 kingjames01 wrote:
If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =)
you know, you used this precise line with me, just replace "smiley faces" with something else
why do you want to unnerve as many people as possible? what can that possibly gain you?
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On December 07 2010 15:18 Fishball wrote:
As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy
i had to leave some scum clues to support the day 3 bus.
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On December 07 2010 18:35 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 17:48 kingjames01 wrote:
If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =)
you know, you used this precise line with me, just replace "smiley faces" with something else why do you want to unnerve as many people as possible? what can that possibly gain you?
oh annul...
You know what else bothers you? When I post, "oh annul..."
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I have two points on this issue. First, if you're going to take a sentence out of a paragraph and then ask about that sentence, you should probably read the rest of the paragraph first. Here, let me post it for you.
On December 07 2010 17:48 kingjames01 wrote:
Annoying your opponents is one of the most important tools in Mafia. I think that when utilized correctly, you stand to gain a lot of information about the other player. It's just like in Poker. Any professional can tell you that how a person handles minor conflict says a lot about them when they are really challenged. If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =) Also, from the PM chain, I've deduced that you didn't understand the point of my responses. Using those PM's I've learned more about you outside of a Mafia setting and that information is priceless.
I know that I don't need to remind you, but this is true for anyone else who wants to read this. Mafia is a mental game where good behaviour analysis is the key to winning. If you can't even restrain yourself enough to analyze your own thoughts, how do you expect to be able to read someone else?
If you see smiley faces everywhere or a witty comment and you get mad, that's to my advantage. If you then make a hasty post in response you'll probably regret it later. When you're emotional you'll forget to be careful; whether that means you make a mistake or you forget that you should be searching for scum or Blues. It could be anything.
Here's something to think about: If you get emotional over something that appears in a mafia game, then there's a reason. If you're angry because a person points out a flaw in your 'logic' or because a person who you deem is inferior critiques your play then that means you seek validation from strangers based on your intelligence. If overly cheerful posts push your buttons then you perhaps you place too much confidence in your assessment of dishonest behaviour or maybe you just don't like happy people.
Whatever it is that makes you upset, you need to understand it if you hope to turn it to your advantage.
What makes me upset about you annul, is your insistence that I have somehow made slurs upon your person, which is of course untrue. I have said it before and I will continue to say it, "Attacking someone's logic is not the same as attacking the person." In your case, you equate your 'logic' with your self-importance. So an attack on your logic is mis-construed to be an attack on your worth as a person.
I, and I'm sure that you have as well, have seen MANY people who cannot take questions about their work, even from a thesis supervisor. Is that not silly? Shouldn't a thesis supervisor have the right to probe a student's work? Instead, the student is insulted by an honest attempt to guide or inquire.
oh annul...
We've had this debate on irc, but you are wrong when you say that the subject of the following statement is "you." "Your logic is fallacious." The subject is "your logic." I've pointed this out to you before but you refuse to believe it.
The subject of the following statement is not "you." "Your bike is red." The subject is "your bike."
Finally, you, and many, many others, DO engage in reductio ad absurdum. Just because you don't like reading that doesn't make it untrue. Taking someone's arguments and extending them to the extreme and then ridiculing the result IS the definition of reductio ad absurdum. If someone asks you, "if you don't like it, then why don't you suggest something else?" the absolute incorrect thing to respond is,
On November 22 2010 13:30 annul wrote:
it is also illogical to imply that in order for a player to argue to stop a bad lynch, they MUST have an alternative in front of them. it is like if someone is like "hey what are we gonna do friday night? i know... RAPE PRESCHOOLERS!" and i tell them that is a horrible idea, and they say "DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER IDEA?"
if i have no other idea on what to do friday night, that does not mean raping preschoolers is a valid plan.
This is a very, very poorly thought out response and satisfies the very definition of reductio ad absurdum. It is not as you so erroneously described another situation, "the extension of your thesis."
EDIT: Removed the word "supposed".
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On December 07 2010 17:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 15:56 Fishball wrote:On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.
Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.
Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.
Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.
Oh I never take one game, write it in a book and call it a day. I never do that. Hence I didn't want to explain too much and keep blabbering about something that is not really related to the game. This is your second game with me, so I'm not surprised if you don't know how I roll. In short, let's just say style is changeable, but certain things are not. This is the most diplomatic way I can word it, lol... As for the clues, like I said, I've already talked to DH, he acknowledged it, so that is that. Yes, I know what you are trying to say, but something that basic is not what I'm trying to argue nor point out. I've played games with clues and without, so this isn't the issue. be like me yo! Take no prisoners! Rape EVERYONE!
Oh, this is still the core of my sentiment. It has never really changed.
Just give me Rambo...
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KINGJAMES TRYING TO WIN THE POST GAME NOW
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On December 08 2010 02:34 Coagulation wrote:
KINGJAMES TRYING TO WIN THE POST GAME NOW
QFT.......
He just can't lose at ANYTHING.
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Goddamnit.
Something that I haven't seen mentioned in the post-game analysis is my being transformed by the power of love. I gained the power of tracker (can see who someone visits). Without this power I probably would've done my best to get myself lynched early, but with it I thought I would do more good alive than dead since I had some insider knowledge. My plan was to try and use annul to find mafia during the day, and track them at night for confirmation -- if I found someone I could roleclaim tracker variant and likely get them lynched, hopefully either drawing a hit (I'm not sure if annul was allowed to tell his buddies that he was a lover) or staying alive until annul was the only mafia left.
I tracked kingjames on the second night, unfortunately he didn't directly cause any of the deaths. Glad to see my scumdar wasn't completely off, though.
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