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let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"?
and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too?
maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm
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On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right?
nothing
On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed.  Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.
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On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend
posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k
On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try.  Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^
just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts
On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_>
nothing post
On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol.
admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess
On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai
nothing post, bandwagon follower
On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_<
nothing post
On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP
admission of wrongness, see above
On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p
"HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much?
On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/
wifom
On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea.
as much "nothing" as some of mine
On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch.
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On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD
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On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)?
this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself?
On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers?
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On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say?
I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago.
Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? [/QUOTE]
im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool
soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too
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Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
For the people calling me out on inactivity, I am posting with the same regularity as I have all game, and Salem as well. One or two posts a day means less spam, more thought.
On December 05 2010 13:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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KingJames needs to go back to scum hunting himself, but I'm more interested in Aidnai claiming. He said he would claim day two? Did I miss it too?
Me and Oroglove are confirmed. This should be pretty simple to figure out.
Why are you interested in me claiming? Role claims have been pretty bad for town so far.
I said I would claim if I had to in response to the situation where the hammer clue from dr.h seemed to be saying that my near-lynch experience day indicated i was scum. That got cleared up afterwards by additional hints from DrH (deconduo was axe guy, not hammer), so no need for the roleclaim.
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On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote:
let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"?
I'm sorry, it just seemed that it was pretty obvious that this was the way it worked since it's what decond stated in his roleclaim. People don't need to clarify what can easily be read. Something posts would be things that one logically infers. =/ It's like, my question about PMs is completely nothing, but if I inferred that somebody probably had a role to PM, it'd be something. But suppose that is a something post. Does that make the rest of your posts into something as well? Does that make your posts like,
and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too?
I'm quite sure Doc and RoL called both of you out on it, but I wasn't calling you out on your argument. I was calling you out on the fact that you started it. There was no need to bring something from Sengoku into this game, especially when it would only cause disruption and anger between you two, unless you were mafia or you really couldn't keep your grudges away. I disagree with both. =/
And do you really want my analysis? You don't seem to trust it one bit. Why make me spam more, and post more nothing when clearly you'd dismiss it in a moment?
maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm
I'm waiting for him to tell me everything, but I can't protect anyone. I'd only support him if he comes up with good analyses. Otherwise, why should I? Hell, I'd push for his lynch after that promise.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote:nothing[/quote[ Mistake Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. nothing Correcting my own mistake. It's nothing, but technically, it's clarification. You agree with my standard then? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k Uhhh, there's a reason. I stated it right there. Is there a reason, and is there logic behind it? Let's see. Reason = I wanna make "inactives" talk. Logic = "These people haven't posted yet" So yes, there is logic and reason, but the premise was wrong. I posted this much too early, and you're correct on that, but to say there's no logic and reason behind it is wrong. It's just it was flawed because of a flawed foundation. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts Yeah, I've agreed to this before haven't I? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> nothing post Actually, that was hoping to get a response out of Decond because I still suspected him at the time. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess Or... I'd actually admit my mistakes unlike some people? I admit when I'm wrong, and I admit when I post nothing. *GASP* THAT MUST BE SO MAFIA LIKE! Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai nothing post, bandwagon follower Actually, if you read the post of mine above this, with Decond's post and everything, I give my ideas behind why this is. I don't quote any of his posts, but I say what I felt when I read through his posts. Sorry if I don't keep quotes with my notes, but it is what it is (day9 ^_^). Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< nothing post Yes, yes it was. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP admission of wrongness, see above Yes, yes it is. See response above. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? If there's interesting stuff in paragraph 1, why're you posting it to say I post nothing? And why is it mafia if it seems like I want to signal stuff? Didn't I say I left a hint somewhere in the thread recently about my role? It's because I DO WANT TO SIGNAL STUFF. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ wifom Uhhh, what? I think you're using it wrong. I was stating possibilities of the plan going wrong due to unknowns, not saying it would OBVIOUSLY be like this, therefore it COULDN'T have been like this. I think you'd be better off saying idiocy because that's much closer, lol. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. as much "nothing" as some of mine Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD nothing agreed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? Are you trying to fish for my role here? I mean, it's pretty obvious why you drop hints for town to find, because Mafia wouldn't get them. If I cried out I'M DETECTIVE, would it be better than dropping hints and leading lynches because I'm detective? No, because the former would get me killed in a hurry and the latter would give me a better chance of survival and thus to be useful. Besides, you dropped hints that you had a role in Sengoku, does that make you scum? No! Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? nothing Hey, at least help on the question here. I'm truly interested in when my icon changes again, and I don't wanna sort through tons of flying, artsy buffaloes. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool Yeah, at least I post analyses... despite how pissed off people get at them, despite how they're wrong a lot, and despite that I seem to be making more enemies with each one. Also, interesting soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too
Except I don't pick and choose your posts. I take them as a collection. Your goal here was to aggressively counter, like most mafia members would. Take Ace in Insane, take Jimbosilvers in Salem what do they do when they're under suspicion? They aggressively counter attack and try to cast doubt on the person suspecting them. And you know what else they do? They twist words and ignore posts just to make their point. You seem to be ignoring a lot of my posts. Interesting huh? You also seem to be aggressively attacking me instead of pacifically defending yourself.
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+ Show Spoiler [EBWODP] +On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote:
let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"? I'm sorry, it just seemed that it was pretty obvious that this was the way it worked since it's what decond stated in his roleclaim. People don't need to clarify what can easily be read. Something posts would be things that one logically infers. =/ It's like, my question about PMs is completely nothing, but if I inferred that somebody probably had a role to PM, it'd be something. But suppose that is a something post. Does that make the rest of your posts into something as well? Does that make your posts like, and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games into something that helps town? and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too? I'm quite sure Doc and RoL called both of you out on it, but I wasn't calling you out on your argument. I was calling you out on the fact that you started it. There was no need to bring something from Sengoku into this game, especially when it would only cause disruption and anger between you two, unless you were mafia or you really couldn't keep your grudges away. I disagree with both. =/ And do you really want my analysis? You don't seem to trust it one bit. Why make me spam more, and post more nothing when clearly you'd dismiss it in a moment? maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm I'm waiting for him to tell me everything, but I can't protect anyone. I'd only support him if he comes up with good analyses. Otherwise, why should I? Hell, I'd push for his lynch after that promise. + Show Spoiler +On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote:nothing[/quote[ Mistake Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. nothing Correcting my own mistake. It's nothing, but technically, it's clarification. You agree with my standard then? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k Uhhh, there's a reason. I stated it right there. Is there a reason, and is there logic behind it? Let's see. Reason = I wanna make "inactives" talk. Logic = "These people haven't posted yet" So yes, there is logic and reason, but the premise was wrong. I posted this much too early, and you're correct on that, but to say there's no logic and reason behind it is wrong. It's just it was flawed because of a flawed foundation. Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts Yeah, I've agreed to this before haven't I? Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> nothing post Actually, that was hoping to get a response out of Decond because I still suspected him at the time. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess Or... I'd actually admit my mistakes unlike some people? I admit when I'm wrong, and I admit when I post nothing. *GASP* THAT MUST BE SO MAFIA LIKE! Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai nothing post, bandwagon follower Actually, if you read the post of mine above this, with Decond's post and everything, I give my ideas behind why this is. I don't quote any of his posts, but I say what I felt when I read through his posts. Sorry if I don't keep quotes with my notes, but it is what it is (day9 ^_^). Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< nothing post Yes, yes it was. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP admission of wrongness, see above Yes, yes it is. See response above. Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? If there's interesting stuff in paragraph 1, why're you posting it to say I post nothing? And why is it mafia if it seems like I want to signal stuff? Didn't I say I left a hint somewhere in the thread recently about my role? It's because I DO WANT TO SIGNAL STUFF. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ wifom Uhhh, what? I think you're using it wrong. I was stating possibilities of the plan going wrong due to unknowns, not saying it would OBVIOUSLY be like this, therefore it COULDN'T have been like this. I think you'd be better off saying idiocy because that's much closer, lol. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. as much "nothing" as some of mine Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD nothing agreed. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? Are you trying to fish for my role here? I mean, it's pretty obvious why you drop hints for town to find, because Mafia wouldn't get them. If I cried out I'M DETECTIVE, would it be better than dropping hints and leading lynches because I'm detective? No, because the former would get me killed in a hurry and the latter would give me a better chance of survival and thus to be useful. Besides, you dropped hints that you had a role in Sengoku, does that make you scum? No! Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? nothing Hey, at least help on the question here. I'm truly interested in when my icon changes again, and I don't wanna sort through tons of flying, artsy buffaloes. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play. You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch. What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool Yeah, at least I post analyses... despite how pissed off people get at them, despite how they're wrong a lot, and despite that I seem to be making more enemies with each one. Also, interesting soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too
Except I don't pick and choose your posts. I take them as a collection. Your goal here was to aggressively counter, like most mafia members would. Take Ace in Insane, take Jimbosilvers in Salem what do they do when they're under suspicion? They aggressively counter attack and try to cast doubt on the person suspecting them. And you know what else they do? They twist words and ignore posts just to make their point. You seem to be ignoring a lot of my posts. Interesting huh? You also seem to be aggressively attacking me instead of pacifically defending yourself.
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+ Show Spoiler [another interesting phenomenon] +On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:
Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night.  I'll be off for the next 9 hours.
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First off, this is my clue:
On December 01 2010 01:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies
I am the Hypnotist. My ability allows me to hypnotize one player each night. They do not remember that they've been visited and DrH PMs me their alignment at the end of the Night. At first I didn't realize that this clue referred to me. I actually thought this following clue referred to me since I can essentially take over someone and read their mind.
On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
In order to keep 'my' role hidden, I pretended that I didn't know what it meant and implied that it was a Brain Surgeon.
On December 01 2010 15:35 kingjames01 wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Brain Surgeon?
When ~OpZ~ said that it was actually a Zombie, I took that opportunity to hide myself further:
On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon.
On December 02 2010 04:13 kingjames01 wrote:
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Zombie
At this point, we had been discussing that there were 2 DTs in the game and that 1 would be sane and the other insane. When SouthRawrea got lynched and flipped Psychic, I finally realized that we were all wrong about that first clue indicating the presence of 2 Detectives and that SouthRawrea and I were the two players with a third eye. The only question left to answer was, "which of SouthRawrea and I was insane?" Since SouthRawrea had been lynched I knew that I had to keep myself hidden because I believed myself to be the last remaining information role.
Then, Barundar claimed DT.
On December 02 2010 12:06 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 11:20 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town. From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night. Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight? Also I claim detective (of a sort).
Immediately after that, Coagulation made his fake claim to the second DT.
On December 02 2010 13:24 Coagulation wrote:
I have a nerfed dt role i basically get to check one player every night however I dont get the results
the results are whispered to a random player and i dont know who receives it.
I didn't understand it right away but I thought that they were trying to screen for what they thought were 2 DTs.
Instead of screaming "LYNCH ALL LIARS", I decided to help them and use the opportunity to stay hidden. So I pretended to organize the town around them so that they would draw hits for me:
On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:
Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning.
Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well.
There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to.
Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists.
During Night 1, I chose to check RebirthOfLeGenD. His voice was very strong in the game and I wanted to know for sure if he was Town or mafia. He had already put together a list of possible suspects and was campaigning very hard. If he turned out to be mafia, then he was worth claiming for just to silence him. So I decided for the first night I would check RebirthOfLeGenD.
Before the Night phase began, RebirthOfLeGenD was replaced by ~OpZ~. Instantly ~OpZ~ went on the attack and derided my attempts to decipher DrH's hints.
On December 01 2010 14:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful.
On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01
On December 02 2010 01:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:
It's faulty discussion. We have no proof about any role in the game. What is my role? My role is the "God." I have the power to decide what is restricted during the day phase of each day, and to possibly change it.
Tell me you would have guessed that as a role.
On December 02 2010 01:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I don't like the blue role discussion, because it's meaningless. You can guess all day long, but don't make that the center of discussion. We should be pressuring folks.
Would a pro-town player be so against gaining information about possible mafia abilities? I sent in my request to hypnotize ~OpZ~. In the morning DrH PMd me that when ~OpZ~ was hypnotized, he revealed that he was Red. Since I didn't know my sanity I had to watch ~OpZ~ very carefully to see what he would do.
The only problem was, ~OpZ~ never came back to the thread. I tried to bait him out:
On December 04 2010 04:30 kingjames01 wrote:
~OpZ~, a wise mod once told me, that the person who encourages the town to scum-hunt but does not do so himself is usually the Godfather. Why don't you come out of hiding and contribute? I'm interested in what you're going to say and who you're going to protect/condemn.
On December 04 2010 05:16 kingjames01 wrote:
For now, I'll switch my vote to ~OpZ~ just to avoid any possible Traitor mechanic.
##Unvote Fishball
##Vote ~OpZ~
Basically, I had nothing to determine my sanity with. Then ~OpZ~ was revealed to be the Innocent Child.
On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.
From this I knew that I was insane. I worked through my list of suspects and how many players I could link together and decided that annul was too suspicious to be town. He deliberately started and continued a fight that would help mafia stay hidden. Any information that he offered in terms of roles were recycled ideas that had already been mentioned.
Also, in all of his posts, he never once provides an analysis on a suspect. Instead, he quoted other people's posts and used that as justification for voting. He tried to keep the town focused on Fishball and orgolove. His two most likely suspects both had been revealed to be Town.
On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
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But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball
On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote:
so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use
On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote:
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow
My conclusion: annul was mafia.
All I needed to do now was to keep attention focused on Barundar and Coagulation so I could keep hypnotizing people. I 'organized' the town so that Barundar and Coagulation could draw hits for me again.
On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:
Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia.
Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit.
Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did.
Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.
The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town.
In the morning DrH sent me a PM saying that, in his delirium annul revealed that he is Green.
annul started the day by suggesting the extra Night hits were due to a town-aligned Night Vigilante. I knew he was lying to spread confusion so I tried my best to keep the town calm.
On December 05 2010 04:57 kingjames01 wrote:No, I disagree with this statement. I don't think that there is a Night Vigilante; at least not a Town-aligned one. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 01:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day 3 3 bodies were found floating in a pool in the morning. Why would a pro-town vigilante dump the body in the same place as the other hits? If we believe that at least one of these 3 were killed by the mafia, we should assume that all of them were. Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig So let's suppose that we have an anti-town Night Vigilante running around. Then only 2 of the 3 victims are accounted for. So what happened to Barundar?
So now, I'm convinced based on my checks that annul is Mafia. I was not going to claim so quickly because of the apparent increase in the number of mafia KPs and because I was hoping to draw out his fellow mafia. Also, by revealing myself, I now need to request protection tonight.
TOWN: annul is Red. Lynch him so we can take back control of the town!
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*clap* A convoluted plan indeed KJ, and as I was reading the thread, I was beginning to suspect you because of your lack of scum-hunting. Assuming annul turns up red, I <3 you.
##vote annul
On December 05 2010 13:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? I said kinda, and why wouldn't a mafia go after him so hard? He had arguably a decent amount of scummy posts day one, and then you apologized crazily. You laughed he used a role wrongly. I dunno....seems cockily teasing to me. You been rather jocular all game actually, besides your posts with him. Your last posts have been pretty spammy, and not to mention you haven't done anything since posting analysis on Decoundo. Dr. H didn't post the final vote counts in the last day post, which is kinda messing with me. Aidnai stopped posting too. Jcarl needs to explain why lynching him would be bad for the town. If its bad for the town, then we don't want to do it, but how would not telling us why benefit the mafia.Don't have much done on Annul, his arguments with KJ scrambled my brains a little, but it was completely irrelevant. And why couldn't Aeres vote fishball either. Peculiar.
I don't think I ever said lynching me is bad for the town? My death won't hurt the town at all, except to remove my voice somewhat. I admit I could have played this role a lot better, and I'm regretting it. Live and learn.
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Oh right, I forgot the most important part...
##Vote annul
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On December 06 2010 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
*clap* A convoluted plan indeed KJ, and as I was reading the thread, I was beginning to suspect you because of your lack of scum-hunting. Assuming annul turns up red, I <3 you.
##vote annul
Oh, he's going to flip Red, alright. All we need to do now is to form a list of other likely mafia based on his posts.
I couldn't be vocal because of my role. If I pushed too hard I probably would have been killed by now. My two bodyguards, Barundar and Coagulation, are now dead so again, to the pharamacists, I'm going to need protection tonight if we're going to have any chance of pulling out a win.
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On December 05 2010 18:15 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler [another interesting phenomenon] +On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:
Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night. I'll be off for the next 9 hours.
i only post my reaction of you after you go on offense against me. i dont go through the hassle of checking every single post of somebody and analyze them unless i have a reason to.
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next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01
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On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote:
next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01
Right, so you're actually the insane detective. What's your role? What have you done with it? In 2 nights have you only checked Node? That seems like a waste of your ability.
You're also asking for a reprieve from the lynch vote after I've already denounced you as being mafia? Laughable attempt at delaying the inevitable.
I won't lynch you because you hate me. I smile because you hate me. =) I'll lynch you because you're mafia.
Anyway, even if you were going to counter that I'm framing you, where's your analysis? You can't just point fingers and not show proof.
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On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote:
next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01
lmao nice OMGUS.
He's not using the argument with you to attack you, he's playing the game.
You have had two nights to do actions, why do you only know the alignment of one player? Also, if you WERE DT, what would make you think you're insane?
And DT power? What? Afaik, you don't run out of juice. This is a bogus claim imo.
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i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it.
i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting.
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%.
so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight.
KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time.
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and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do.
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I'm really sorry that I haven't been posting anything lately. I assure you, though, I have been reading the thread, so I'm aware of what's going on.
On December 05 2010 15:44 ghrur wrote:For aeres, I feel aside from a few posts here, he hasn't been scummy: + Show Spoiler [aeres] +About the "love" part, my guess is that it implies some sort of symbiosis with the other "lover"; perhaps this manifests itself in the form of being able to PM each other? The Doc did say that certain roles would be able to engage in private messaging.
As for beggar, I'm at a loss as well. You're probably correct in thinking it's an information role, but I wouldn't be able to guess much more than that.
RoL's analysis of Aidnai seems convincing enough. For now, my vote will stay on him, but as usual, this vote is still tentative.
##Vote Aidnai To be honest, my vote on Aidnai was because I was following the lead of a more experienced player (RoL) who seemed to know what he was talking about. Since I've been really busy for the last few hours, I hadn't gotten around to changing my vote, despite that being on my itinerary. I'll unvote for now, but I don't have any solid clues on who to vote for now, so for the time being, I shall abstain.
##Unvote Aidnai
God, it's gonna take a while to end the day. Votes Aidnai only because of following RoL/more experienced player. C'mon, guys, our votes are way too divided right now. We need to find some solid candidates instead of voting purely based on hearsay and OMGUS. He says we should scumhunt instead of going off OMGUS, yet he never does it himself. For lack of a better plan, I'm gonna vote for SouthRawrea to make him talk at the very least, and maybe move the day forward like jcarlsoniv said.
##Vote SouthRawrea
I just wish all this passive agreement didn't make me look like a sheep, because I sure do feel like one right now... =(
Not really too scummy, but votes SouthRawrea for no reason really, and ends up securing the bandwagon for Decond's first axe. After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
##Vote Fishball
I apologize for lurking and not contributing as often as I should, but I've been sick for the past day, so my mind's a bit cloudy. Once I get better, I'll stop the bandwagoning and actually do shit for once. = / Once again votes with other's analyses. Doesn't really do his own on people. ##Vote ~OpZ~ for reasons stated by Walrus-Shopper. Once again votes because of someone else's reasoning. ....Fuck.
Fucking fuck. And an overreaction on the day post. Although, this is explainable because that was really screwed up. >_< And since then, he hasn't posted... which is strangely weird. I feel like he has scummy posts, but I also feel like his other posts are helping to contribute by analyzing the hints. This is different than annul who basically posted nothing, and accused using the same info again and again. Aeres seems more like unsure about who he wants to vote/unsure of his ideas instead of trying to hide information.
That last part, in bold, is essentially spot on. I confess I'm not very good at analysis, and what analysis I write up tends to be based more on speculation and "what if?"s than something that the town can come to a consensus on. Because of that, I tend not to post what I think of players, since what I have written up isn't about to convince anyone, and sometimes not even myself. It's definitely something I should work on, I know. Lack of confidence hurts in a game based on deception. = /
And I feel the overreaction to the day post is justified, considering the outcome.
But enough QQ'ing. I'll see what I can come up with for legitimate analysis in a while.
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On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it.
i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting.
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%.
so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight.
KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time.
Heh, this really is quite entertaining. Annul, you are the one who keeps bringing up the bad blood between you and KJ. I've been told that mafia like to stir up trouble to get the focus off of the lynch. This is exactly what you're doing, trying to start an argument to veil yourself and make yourself look like the victim.
You said that when you run out of "juice", you can do some smaller things. What kinds of things are these? Since you've already claimed, you wouldn't mind letting us know, would you? I'll give you some time to confer with you scumbuddies to see if what you come up with sounds convincing.
If you flip town, which I HIGHLY doubt at this point, then KJ will be on the chopping block. He knows that, town knows that, you know that. I will not, however, willingly give you the free pass into tonight to kill whomever you want.
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"ive been told" - what?
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening?
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On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
"ive been told" - what?
In past games...
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
So he presents points that he knows will get you to react a certain way...so? He is a good scumhunter. You saying that he keeps bringing up the bad blood between you though is complete crap, because YOU are the one who is doing it to stir up trouble.
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
But they can't stop you from using your DT skills? You can be roleblocked all the same.
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening?
It wouldn't stop the kill from happening, but I don't want to give you the opportunity to run home to your mafia buddies tonight and aid in the kill.
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