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Denmark1582 Posts
I claimed DT from what I had seen LSB doing in the protect yo village game. Since we had a psychic, I figured I would be the other DT and get protected. By far the most frustrating moment for me was when I couldn't get Aidnai lynched without RoL. I it was certain, but apparantly the only reason people voted for him was beceause of RoL's reputation.
Also these 2 comments in combination made me feel really bad about putting pressure on Aidnai alone, considering I also got knocked out early in Salem:
On December 01 2010 08:25 LSB wrote: + Show Spoiler +I don't know anything about the game, but what's up with the kill the new kid trend?
P.S. aeres, barundar, ~opz~, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, will you please remove your votes from me? only thing worse than getting killed night one for me would be getting lynched day one. -_-
Very well played KJ. Was that like the 4th DT claim in the game?
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On December 07 2010 16:08 kingjames01 wrote:
Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =)
I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =)
Well, I do noticed you like to use "=)" a lot.
Just look at the PM chain you had with me, or even at the two posts you just posted. You're like one of those people that uses "XD" in every sentence. OMG! If annoying me is one of your main goal, you're definitely succeeding... 
To be honest, all I have on you was already mentioned in my big post up top. I know you're smart, and was extremely pro-town in one game. Then in another game your "alignment" is the other way around. I can understand being "less" pro-town in order to avoid being targeted early in the game, but pushing for "forbidden" information on the other hand, I mean what the hell? You know better than that (Fine example of "Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*).
Basically, the difference is a little bit too extreme don't you think?
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On December 07 2010 15:56 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.
Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.
Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.
Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.
Oh I never take one game, write it in a book and call it a day. I never do that. Hence I didn't want to explain too much and keep blabbering about something that is not really related to the game. This is your second game with me, so I'm not surprised if you don't know how I roll. In short, let's just say style is changeable, but certain things are not. This is the most diplomatic way I can word it, lol... As for the clues, like I said, I've already talked to DH, he acknowledged it, so that is that. Yes, I know what you are trying to say, but something that basic is not what I'm trying to argue nor point out. I've played games with clues and without, so this isn't the issue.
be like me yo! Take no prisoners! Rape EVERYONE!
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On December 07 2010 16:41 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 16:08 kingjames01 wrote:
Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =)
I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =)
Well, I do noticed you like to use "=)" a lot. Just look at the PM chain you had with me, or even at the two posts you just posted. You're like one of those people that uses "XD" in every sentence. OMG! If annoying me is one of your main goal, you're definitely succeeding... To be honest, all I have on you was already mentioned in my big post up top. I know you're smart, and was extremely pro-town in one game. Then in another game your "alignment" is the other way around. I can understand being "less" pro-town in order to avoid being targeted early in the game, but pushing for "forbidden" information on the other hand, I mean what the hell? You know better than that (Fine example of "Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*). Basically, the difference is a little bit too extreme don't you think?
Ah, so apparently, you didn't see this post that I made before the game and before any role PMs went out.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=2#21
On November 30 2010 05:32 kingjames01 wrote:
I plan to use this Experimental game to try out some new things. We'll see how it goes. =)
Annoying your opponents is one of the most important tools in Mafia. I think that when utilized correctly, you stand to gain a lot of information about the other player. It's just like in Poker. Any professional can tell you that how a person handles minor conflict says a lot about them when they are really challenged. If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =) Also, from the PM chain, I've deduced that you didn't understand the point of my responses. Using those PM's I've learned more about you outside of a Mafia setting and that information is priceless.
If you would like to also compare my play to my first ever game, look up Mafia XXXI. In that game, I was the Mafia Roleblocker. Here I was given a very similar role as the Redirector and I used it to achieve the same effect by moving ghrur's pills around.
However, I was VERY pro-town in XXXI and I think I was only ever suspected by one person. I doubt you'll find anything that is similar between these two games even if you try. =) Everything I did in this game, I did on purpose... Including the smileys. =)
Again, I look forward to playing Mafia with you soon. =)
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In fact, I was so intrigued by your statement, ""Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*" that I just went through ALL of my posts in Mafia XXXI. I don't know the exact number of posts but probably close to 100 or more, I used exactly 3 =) and was complimented post-game at how pro-town I made myself appear.
How am I supposed to be successful in any future games if I have been so easily typecasted as:
- pro-town mafia (XXXI)
- lurking mafia (Experimental)
- pro-town Town (Insane and Sengoku)?
I truly did try something new for the Experimental Mini Mafia and everything I did and said was purposeful. From the beginning of the game, annul, aidnai and I were planning for the late-game and as early as XXXI I was planning for future games. =)
However, this is the kind of stuff that I was asking for. I am really interested in what people picked up from my play this game and what kinds of things weren't noticed.
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On December 07 2010 17:48 kingjames01 wrote:
If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =)
you know, you used this precise line with me, just replace "smiley faces" with something else
why do you want to unnerve as many people as possible? what can that possibly gain you?
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On December 07 2010 15:18 Fishball wrote:
As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy
i had to leave some scum clues to support the day 3 bus.
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On December 07 2010 18:35 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 17:48 kingjames01 wrote:
If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =)
you know, you used this precise line with me, just replace "smiley faces" with something else why do you want to unnerve as many people as possible? what can that possibly gain you?
oh annul...
You know what else bothers you? When I post, "oh annul..."
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I have two points on this issue. First, if you're going to take a sentence out of a paragraph and then ask about that sentence, you should probably read the rest of the paragraph first. Here, let me post it for you.
On December 07 2010 17:48 kingjames01 wrote:
Annoying your opponents is one of the most important tools in Mafia. I think that when utilized correctly, you stand to gain a lot of information about the other player. It's just like in Poker. Any professional can tell you that how a person handles minor conflict says a lot about them when they are really challenged. If the inclusion of smiley faces unnerves you then I've accomplished my goal. =) Also, from the PM chain, I've deduced that you didn't understand the point of my responses. Using those PM's I've learned more about you outside of a Mafia setting and that information is priceless.
I know that I don't need to remind you, but this is true for anyone else who wants to read this. Mafia is a mental game where good behaviour analysis is the key to winning. If you can't even restrain yourself enough to analyze your own thoughts, how do you expect to be able to read someone else?
If you see smiley faces everywhere or a witty comment and you get mad, that's to my advantage. If you then make a hasty post in response you'll probably regret it later. When you're emotional you'll forget to be careful; whether that means you make a mistake or you forget that you should be searching for scum or Blues. It could be anything.
Here's something to think about: If you get emotional over something that appears in a mafia game, then there's a reason. If you're angry because a person points out a flaw in your 'logic' or because a person who you deem is inferior critiques your play then that means you seek validation from strangers based on your intelligence. If overly cheerful posts push your buttons then you perhaps you place too much confidence in your assessment of dishonest behaviour or maybe you just don't like happy people.
Whatever it is that makes you upset, you need to understand it if you hope to turn it to your advantage.
What makes me upset about you annul, is your insistence that I have somehow made slurs upon your person, which is of course untrue. I have said it before and I will continue to say it, "Attacking someone's logic is not the same as attacking the person." In your case, you equate your 'logic' with your self-importance. So an attack on your logic is mis-construed to be an attack on your worth as a person.
I, and I'm sure that you have as well, have seen MANY people who cannot take questions about their work, even from a thesis supervisor. Is that not silly? Shouldn't a thesis supervisor have the right to probe a student's work? Instead, the student is insulted by an honest attempt to guide or inquire.
oh annul...
We've had this debate on irc, but you are wrong when you say that the subject of the following statement is "you." "Your logic is fallacious." The subject is "your logic." I've pointed this out to you before but you refuse to believe it.
The subject of the following statement is not "you." "Your bike is red." The subject is "your bike."
Finally, you, and many, many others, DO engage in reductio ad absurdum. Just because you don't like reading that doesn't make it untrue. Taking someone's arguments and extending them to the extreme and then ridiculing the result IS the definition of reductio ad absurdum. If someone asks you, "if you don't like it, then why don't you suggest something else?" the absolute incorrect thing to respond is,
On November 22 2010 13:30 annul wrote:
it is also illogical to imply that in order for a player to argue to stop a bad lynch, they MUST have an alternative in front of them. it is like if someone is like "hey what are we gonna do friday night? i know... RAPE PRESCHOOLERS!" and i tell them that is a horrible idea, and they say "DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER IDEA?"
if i have no other idea on what to do friday night, that does not mean raping preschoolers is a valid plan.
This is a very, very poorly thought out response and satisfies the very definition of reductio ad absurdum. It is not as you so erroneously described another situation, "the extension of your thesis."
EDIT: Removed the word "supposed".
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On December 07 2010 17:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 15:56 Fishball wrote:On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.
Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.
Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.
Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.
Oh I never take one game, write it in a book and call it a day. I never do that. Hence I didn't want to explain too much and keep blabbering about something that is not really related to the game. This is your second game with me, so I'm not surprised if you don't know how I roll. In short, let's just say style is changeable, but certain things are not. This is the most diplomatic way I can word it, lol... As for the clues, like I said, I've already talked to DH, he acknowledged it, so that is that. Yes, I know what you are trying to say, but something that basic is not what I'm trying to argue nor point out. I've played games with clues and without, so this isn't the issue. be like me yo! Take no prisoners! Rape EVERYONE!
Oh, this is still the core of my sentiment. It has never really changed.
Just give me Rambo...
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KINGJAMES TRYING TO WIN THE POST GAME NOW
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On December 08 2010 02:34 Coagulation wrote:
KINGJAMES TRYING TO WIN THE POST GAME NOW
QFT.......
He just can't lose at ANYTHING.
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Goddamnit.
Something that I haven't seen mentioned in the post-game analysis is my being transformed by the power of love. I gained the power of tracker (can see who someone visits). Without this power I probably would've done my best to get myself lynched early, but with it I thought I would do more good alive than dead since I had some insider knowledge. My plan was to try and use annul to find mafia during the day, and track them at night for confirmation -- if I found someone I could roleclaim tracker variant and likely get them lynched, hopefully either drawing a hit (I'm not sure if annul was allowed to tell his buddies that he was a lover) or staying alive until annul was the only mafia left.
I tracked kingjames on the second night, unfortunately he didn't directly cause any of the deaths.  Glad to see my scumdar wasn't completely off, though.
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