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On December 07 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:17 LSB wrote:My pm was Someone sent a package of pills, but was hypnotized into sending it to somebody else. And I didn't want to confirm that the mafia was able to snipe a blue. >.< Well then again, if I revealed that, you wouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place. If only you listened when I was like "Don't hit me! I'm perfectly harmless! Let me live!!" On December 04 2010 14:31 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote:
DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful. LSB, I thought you were the tracker? Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town. Don't protect me, my role is useless now. The PM I get isn't going to change, everyone has the same roles, same actions. Go protect the DTs (I'm not tracker) haha, yeah... after I figured out that you were the Hobo we had a very long discussion about how to eliminate you. I wasn't sure if Hobo's had mailboxes and whether they could be sent death pills. Also, in some instances Hobos are immune to Night Kills since they don't have houses. Anyway, we took our chance. =)
All right, next game I'm going to start by claiming vet or bulletproof. That'll do the trick!
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Speaking of evolving, I wonder how many more asskickings I'm gonna need before I evolve.
I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/
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I'm going to post my thoughts on the game now.
So the first thing that comes to mind was the claiming of the Town Detective, Barundar. His role was very powerful in such a small game. If he had stayed hidden he would have been able to keep the mafia on a very tight leash. Any mistakes and Town would have been handed the victory. However, by claiming he forced any pro-town Pharmacist to protect him. This gives mafia complete freedom at Night to hit anyone else. If there are only 3 mafia, then DO NOT CLAIM until you either find a mafia or you are going to be lynched.
Next, Coagulation had a good idea. He was trying to screen for the second DT. However, he played his cards too soon. 2 DTs with only 2 Pharmacists and no PMs means that the Pharmacists cannot coordinate. Someone important is going to die.
Also, he needed more time to choose either a very pro-town player or a very anti-town player to 'reveal'. Finally, he should not have chosen Fishball to be his recipient. Fishball just confused the town with his refusal to comply.
I think that when someone says, "Hey, everyone get ready for me to reveal my check. We'll vote really fast so that mafia can't interefere!" is probably a sign that the person does not want people to think about what they're doing.
Do not role claim unless you have to. That reduces the number of places essential roles could be hiding. Remember, in a no PM game, mafia knows everything that you do but a little more. In this case, they knew the roles of 3 more players. That allows them to sift through the hints and gives them more lee-way to fake a role claim.
I guess I will repeat what I feel is the most important thing for players to do is: Think about why someone posted and what their intent was. That goes a really long way in terms of analysis. It can help save time when working through spam or picking key pieces of information that might lead to a lynch or to identifying Blues.
Nothing else really comes to mind. I guess some advice for any mafia players that come across this game.
Don't despair when facing long odds. The most important thing to remember as mafia is PATIENCE. There will be times when you feel as though you are under pressure to post or defend yourself. It is usually a good idea to refrain from doing so. When it is time, do it with some force.
The example here is RoL pushing aidnai really hard. aidnai did the right thing by not responding until some of the heat died down. Then he continued the good play by pushing back real hard and not just with a "hey, honest! I'm not Red, look somewhere else" post.
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On December 07 2010 12:38 ghrur wrote:
Speaking of evolving, I wonder how many more asskickings I'm gonna need before I evolve.
I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/
Want me to start another Mini mafia? I could do a vanilla 7v2.
I'm also thinking of testing a 5v1 with special rules, but maybe start that when Insane Mafia 2 gets into the ready stage.
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MVP: kingjames01 for obvious reasons
Belkar award for worst player: Barundar. Never ever claim so early as a DT especially when your role is so overpowered. You can't count on medic protection to survive.
youngminii award for underuse of role: jcarlsoniv. by claiming you defeat the purpose of your role. with your role you are free to scumhunt/post whatever you wish but by claiming you guaranteed the mafia would never waste a hit on you. you're a nerfed veteran in a lot of ways.
WAT award for strangest play: coagulations claim of DT as whisperer. he used his role to confirm mafia players as town but it didn't end up doing damage. he managed to divert a hit onto him, but he should have used his power for stenography imo. he can essentially carry on a private message by giving a player a codeword to use in public, this can be used to help the pharmacist not waste pills on him or to trick mafia players
it was an interesting play though and he certainly found a way to make his role impact the game
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gg mafia. kingjames in particular really put town through the wringer.
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On December 07 2010 12:42 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:38 ghrur wrote:
Speaking of evolving, I wonder how many more asskickings I'm gonna need before I evolve.
I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/ Want me to start another Mini mafia? I could do a vanilla 7v2. I'm also thinking of testing a 5v1 with special rules, but maybe start that when Insane Mafia 2 gets into the ready stage.
Hmmm, isn't pokemon mafia starting up as a mini mafia? I'd love to have these mini-mafias constantly running though, lol. Cuz I'd join like, every one. 
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id wait for communist to finish and just start doing regular C9/F11's for newbies imo
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On December 07 2010 12:38 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:On December 07 2010 12:17 LSB wrote:My pm was Someone sent a package of pills, but was hypnotized into sending it to somebody else. And I didn't want to confirm that the mafia was able to snipe a blue. >.< Well then again, if I revealed that, you wouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place. If only you listened when I was like "Don't hit me! I'm perfectly harmless! Let me live!!" On December 04 2010 14:31 LSB wrote:On December 04 2010 13:34 kingjames01 wrote:On December 04 2010 11:36 LSB wrote:
DTs, please check one of these people
3. ghrur
6. Aidnai
12. kingjames01
13. Node
15. Aeres
Doctors, your main priority is to make sure I live =P
After that, protect Coagulation or Baruder.
Tracker, you should stay hidden and yell if anything important comes up.
Remember, there is a bus driver, so be careful. LSB, I thought you were the tracker? Anyway, this should be our plan for the night. LSB, arguably, has the most important role. He can tell us everything that happens at night. All we have to do is make sure he stays alive so that he can share his results with us. The more nights that he lives through, the better we can pin down the mafia. Barundar, you should check whoever you think is most suspicious. LSB has told us that there is a bus driver in the game. So don't reveal who you're going to check until the morning. Also, since you received a pill from a pharmacist last night you will be safe from a mafia hit. Coagulation, I don't know if you received a pill or not but don't reveal any information if you did. Pharmacists, LSB and Coagulation are going to need pills tonight. If you sent Coagulation a pill last night, then send one to LSB tonight. If you are the one who sent Barundar a pill last night, then send one to Coagulation or LSB.The rest of you guys, DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLES. Doing this puts our pharmacists at risk! If you can do so, draw hits. It's the best thing we can do for the Town. Don't protect me, my role is useless now. The PM I get isn't going to change, everyone has the same roles, same actions. Go protect the DTs (I'm not tracker) haha, yeah... after I figured out that you were the Hobo we had a very long discussion about how to eliminate you. I wasn't sure if Hobo's had mailboxes and whether they could be sent death pills. Also, in some instances Hobos are immune to Night Kills since they don't have houses. Anyway, we took our chance. =) All right, next game I'm going to start by claiming vet or bulletproof. That'll do the trick!
Well, if you didn't want us to know you were the Hobo, then you have to resist the urge to make witty clues about your role... =)
On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending?
On December 02 2010 06:54 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending? I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets.
On December 02 2010 06:54 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:54 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending? I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets. So are you the hobo?
Again, no one should role claim unless absolutely necessary. =)
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Yeah, I deserve that award. I hadn't thought of that. Live and learn. I thought I could help confirm DTs.
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On December 07 2010 12:44 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 12:42 LSB wrote:On December 07 2010 12:38 ghrur wrote:
Speaking of evolving, I wonder how many more asskickings I'm gonna need before I evolve.
I feel like these smaller mafia games are more helpful than the bigger mafia games =/ Big=too many people, too many posts, etc. These small ones are more concentrated and really force you to play because 1 death is REALLY detrimental. =/ Want me to start another Mini mafia? I could do a vanilla 7v2. I'm also thinking of testing a 5v1 with special rules, but maybe start that when Insane Mafia 2 gets into the ready stage. Hmmm, isn't pokemon mafia starting up as a mini mafia? I'd love to have these mini-mafias constantly running though, lol. Cuz I'd join like, every one.
I think I am going to run a mini mafia variant in around 2 weeks as a type of bootcamp.
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GG everybody, I had a lot of fun. In fact, I didn't have to drink any coffee in the morning while RoL was playing... it was pretty much pure adrenaline from the constant danger 
Thanks to Annul and KJ for coaching me through, i learned a lot. I'll be a stronger player next game, whichever role i'm cast.
From the town's perspective, the roleclaims really really hurt. They gave mafia much more info than anyone else, especially since we (mostly) knew they weren't fake. We weren't even that surprised about coag, since one of his first posts was "I have to run town circle" which didn't exactly fit his later claim. In a game with so little information, I felt like I was going to slip up every time i posted; that is, until we had more info. Once we had all the info from the roleclaims and whatnot, we were able to post confidently, spam a lot more about clues and such, and form a gameplan around who are targets would be.
I felt like Node should have gotten himself killed, and town should not have put up with the KJ/Annul fight, or with their spam in general. I'm quite surprised I lived as well...
I think scum are gonna win over in salem too... poor town 
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oh yeah, SR had a pretty good town role and went AFK probably because the other game was getting interesting, which ended up hurting town pretty bad. -_- It let me off the hook, plus we got rid of a free information role...
The fishball lynch was kinda crazy... I really think the priest is a horrible role that we should never see again (unless executioner is scum?).
Pandain, if you read this, thanks for sticking up for me rofl... I felt guilty letting you argue on my behalf, and i wondered what I would do in your shoes... I honestly don't see what RoL saw in my posts, which is ok 'cause he's played a lot more than me, and I think I would have done the exact same thing as you. Anyway, I hope you don't feel too bad about that <3.
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That was a fun game though. It was nice and crazy, and, while unbalanced, was definitely entertaining. I would love to take part in more of your experimental games Doc =)
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I agree. I said this to DrH already but I'll say it publicly.
I very much enjoyed taking part in this game and I appreciate that you let me know when it was about to start. =)
The game was very entertaining and I enjoyed the being able to experience first-hand the majority vote mechanic.
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Oh, so it's finally over.
I thought it was so overkill with Mafia deceiving the Town even further by lynching one of their own.
Anyways, like I said from the start, this game was an experiment for me as well. Since this game was not meant to be serious, after I received my in-game role PM, seeing that I've never exactly played the "pest" role before, I decided to take this opportunity and give it a run to see how effective my play can be. As most of you saw, it was pretty damn effective. I got a lot of attention, for good and bad, and caused confusion when I started to come up front with information. Ah yes, confusion...
There are quite a bit of players here that I haven't exactly played with before, my second goal is basically player profiling (I generally don't read games I don't play so I won't know). When I started to bring up information (sincere info mind you, ahem), a lot of players shared their own views and opinions; It's totally normal for a player to be confused at that point, but the reactions I received varied a lot. Some took this as a sure-scum-tell, but some slowed down and started think. I'm not going to go too deep into detail here, as like mentioned, this is for myself, but you guys get the point.
Now back to the overall game itself. Due to my role, I expected to be lynched from the very beginning. I don't necessarily have to be lynched, but totally expected to due to the play style I choose. Right before the last vote, I announced my lynch doesn't guarantee it will benefit town. The reason behind that, is to tip the chance of a Mafia hammer as much as possible, even by a little bit. If you guys back track the votes, it was very close to getting aidnai killed. Only if Aeres didn't make that little play of "losing his own vote", and Barundar didn't unvote... I've hinted quite a few times in the thread not to unvote me if you've already voted, but no one seem to caught on. Aeres using his vote canceling ability twice in a row on players who voted for me also baffles me, adding fuel to the fire for no apparent reason.
Midway through, after I announced the fact that I got a whisper regarding Coagulation's "check", he immediately asked me in the thread openly if the target he checked was a Medic or not. That immediately raised an alarm for me... You just don't ask that.
1. If you read it from a pro-town perspective, any other pro-town player will never announce that to the public.
2. The fact that he asked if the player has a specific role, and have claimed beforehand that he does not get any information from the checks, would raise a huge eyebrow to any semi-decent player due to contradicting information; His credibility just got shot to hell. There were times in the game that I thought he was pro-town, but the puzzle never really did add up based on reasons above. I was never really able to give him my vote of confidence. KJ also voiced a few times for the information, but I was too focused on dealing with the bombardment from everyone else, I totally let him slip by until later, just before I was about to get lynched.
On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote:
I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this.
In Insane Mafia, KJ has been so pro-town, he stood out as the only player I thought "has to be green". Even the Mafia killed him on Day 1. I've also heard praises for him in other games, yet he pulls a move like this? Still, it was my own mistake for not realizing it right away, being blinded by everything else.
As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy, hence why I had the lone vote on him on Day 1. Reason, pretty much like KJ...
On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote:
One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid.
Which means he has a different agenda.
After that, he stayed low profile and with me dealing with everything else, I lost my sights on him
Oroglove, all I have to say to you is, nothing is ever black and white in a game of Mafia. I really did not want to waste my time explain nor argue with you in the thread.
I did had a good chuckle when I saw this:
On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Here....let me make things a little more funny. Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here.
Then immediately after:
On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.
As for jcarlsoniv, I'm guilty for missing his ability explanation, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Actually I had to ask KJ to quote a bunch of other posts for me as well . Still, my point still stands. You should never say "I will lynch you since you are not helping Town", it has been explained so many times why this is bad coming from a town perspective. You're basically just painting yourself red. You being reluctant to get yourself lynched and be a confirmed Townie, while "still being able to play", in addition to the quote above led me to believe you were red. It wasn't without reason.
I've mentioned once in the thread, I didn't have time to look at the inactives at all, so I never had anything on aidnai.
Last but not least, the clues. I would say these two threw us off pretty bad, especially the latter.
- Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies
- A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer
I've already talked to DH about this, and I understand this is an experimental game, so there is not much to add here.
Well, this pretty much wraps up my thoughts regarding this game. I learned something new, and found something new.
In 3 years, about 20'ish of Mafia games played on TL, this was my first time being lynched. Judging by the results, I think I'm set for the VI role now.
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On December 07 2010 15:18 Fishball wrote:Oh, so it's finally over. I thought it was so overkill with Mafia deceiving the Town even further by lynching one of their own. Anyways, like I said from the start, this game was an experiment for me as well. Since this game was not meant to be serious, after I received my in-game role PM, seeing that I've never exactly played the "pest" role before, I decided to take this opportunity and give it a run to see how effective my play can be. As most of you saw, it was pretty damn effective. I got a lot of attention, for good and bad, and caused confusion when I started to come up front with information. Ah yes, confusion... There are quite a bit of players here that I haven't exactly played with before, my second goal is basically player profiling (I generally don't read games I don't play so I won't know). When I started to bring up information (sincere info mind you, ahem), a lot of players shared their own views and opinions; It's totally normal for a player to be confused at that point, but the reactions I received varied a lot. Some took this as a sure-scum-tell, but some slowed down and started think. I'm not going to go too deep into detail here, as like mentioned, this is for myself, but you guys get the point. Now back to the overall game itself. Due to my role, I expected to be lynched from the very beginning. I don't necessarily have to be lynched, but totally expected to due to the play style I choose. Right before the last vote, I announced my lynch doesn't guarantee it will benefit town. The reason behind that, is to tip the chance of a Mafia hammer as much as possible, even by a little bit. If you guys back track the votes, it was very close to getting aidnai killed. Only if Aeres didn't make that little play of "losing his own vote", and Barundar didn't unvote... I've hinted quite a few times in the thread not to unvote me if you've already voted, but no one seem to caught on. Aeres using his vote canceling ability twice in a row on players who voted for me also baffles me, adding fuel to the fire for no apparent reason.
Midway through, after I announced the fact that I got a whisper regarding Coagulation's "check", he immediately asked me in the thread openly if the target he checked was a Medic or not. That immediately raised an alarm for me... You just don't ask that. 1. If you read it from a pro-town perspective, any other pro-town player will never announce that to the public. 2. The fact that he asked if the player has a specific role, and have claimed beforehand that he does not get any information from the checks, would raise a huge eyebrow to any semi-decent player due to contradicting information; His credibility just got shot to hell. There were times in the game that I thought he was pro-town, but the puzzle never really did add up based on reasons above. I was never really able to give him my vote of confidence. KJ also voiced a few times for the information, but I was too focused on dealing with the bombardment from everyone else, I totally let him slip by until later, just before I was about to get lynched. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote:
I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. In Insane Mafia, KJ has been so pro-town, he stood out as the only player I thought "has to be green". Even the Mafia killed him on Day 1. I've also heard praises for him in other games, yet he pulls a move like this? Still, it was my own mistake for not realizing it right away, being blinded by everything else.
As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy, hence why I had the lone vote on him on Day 1. Reason, pretty much like KJ... Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote:
One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid.
Which means he has a different agenda. After that, he stayed low profile and with me dealing with everything else, I lost my sights on him
Oroglove, all I have to say to you is, nothing is ever black and white in a game of Mafia. I really did not want to waste my time explain nor argue with you in the thread. I did had a good chuckle when I saw this: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote:On December 04 2010 09:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Here....let me make things a little more funny. Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here. Then immediately after: Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime.
OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case.
As for jcarlsoniv, I'm guilty for missing his ability explanation, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Actually I had to ask KJ to quote a bunch of other posts for me as well . Still, my point still stands. You should never say "I will lynch you since you are not helping Town", it has been explained so many times why this is bad coming from a town perspective. You're basically just painting yourself red. You being reluctant to get yourself lynched and be a confirmed Townie, while "still being able to play", in addition to the quote above led me to believe you were red. It wasn't without reason.
I've mentioned once in the thread, I didn't have time to look at the inactives at all, so I never had anything on aidnai. Last but not least, the clues. I would say these two threw us off pretty bad, especially the latter. - Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies- A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammerI've already talked to DH about this, and I understand this is an experimental game, so there is not much to add here. Well, this pretty much wraps up my thoughts regarding this game. I learned something new, and found something new. In 3 years, about 20'ish of Mafia games played on TL, this was my first time being lynched. Judging by the results, I think I'm set for the VI role now.
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.
Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.
Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.
Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.
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On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote:
Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe.
Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent.
Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving.
Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul.
Oh I never take one game, write it in a book and call it a day. I never do that. Hence I didn't want to explain too much and keep blabbering about something that is not really related to the game. This is your second game with me, so I'm not surprised if you don't know how I roll. In short, let's just say style is changeable, but certain things are not. This is the most diplomatic way I can word it, lol...
As for the clues, like I said, I've already talked to DH, he acknowledged it, so that is that. Yes, I know what you are trying to say, but something that basic is not what I'm trying to argue nor point out. I've played games with clues and without, so this isn't the issue.
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Ah okay! =)
My intention is not to offend, so please take none from my words! =) I look forward to playing with you again soon!
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Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =)
I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =)
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