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i do not fear the roleblock, that is not what i talk about when i say that people can avoid my ability.
assume i am mafia (i am not)... if you town lynch me today, you assume i cannot return to my mafia team and influence future actions? if i were mafia, i still win even if i am dead. i can still assist them with future night kill choices. or, you know, i could tell them today what i want to happen tonight, right? so really i demur that argument.
but of course, am not mafia. KJ is. and as to jcarl, isnt it much more likely that i defend myself when i am called a red by a DT when i am in fact the DT and i KNOW he is lying? not just suspect, but KNOW? think about it
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On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
Let's suppose that this is true. That means you checked both Node and LSB. There were other people who were probably better choices to be checked, including Barundar, Coagulation and ~OpZ~. What reason did you have to check these two and in what order did you check them in?
On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
Asking people "who do you believe more" does not qualify as proof.
On December 04 2010 05:55 LSB wrote:
I'll claim that I can see all the night actions, I don't know who did them, but Doc H Pmed them to me.
And Someone hypnotized someone
On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do.
Also, I am not the Insane DT. I am the Hypnotist. LSB's Hobo ability corroborated the existence of my power.
What is your ability and how does it work?
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1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes?
2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce.
3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic
4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try.
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On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
"ive been told" - what?
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
I'm just going to ignore your baseless accusations. You're still attempting to distract the town by drawing me into pointless fights.
On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
That's just silly. No such role was hinted at by DrH. Which clue do you think corresponds to you?
On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening?
Also, we don't know how many KP the mafia has. It is very possible that by lynching you we can reduce the number of KP. It is in town's best interest to lynch you today.
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On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote:
1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes?
2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce.
3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic
4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try.
- By revealing what your supposed Night actions, we can decide for ourselves who is lying.
- I've presented a very clear case as to why you are mafia, including my checks and an analysis of your posts.
- I'm am not arguing that my role does not work like an Insane DT. I am arguing that the name of the role is Hypnotist. My role and abilities clearly fits with DrH's hints and LSB's Hobo watching. What is your role and how does it work?
- That's just silly.
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Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul
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On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul
I'm not sure we should base anything on mafia wiki. This is an experimental game to play around with things for insane 2, so who knows what Doc has dreamed up.
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On December 06 2010 10:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul I'm not sure we should base anything on mafia wiki. This is an experimental game to play around with things for insane 2, so who knows what Doc has dreamed up.
That's a good point, but they're basically all there.
Look:
Fishball/Priest
Deconduo/Executioner
Kinda like Coag/Whisperer role except you can't whisper back
Barundar/Radar
Opz/Innocent Child
LSB/Hobo
SR/Psychic
We have yet to get one that doesn't fit anything closely.
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alot of them are wiki roles
i have many ideas though that have never been done to my knowledge
such as my faction vote idea
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On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul
i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town.
if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities.
my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it.
i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they?
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On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:
i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town.
First off, there actually are 6 Town players to 3 mafia. If we miss this lynch, we'll be in LYLO. You're trying to confuse the town into believing that our situation is better than it is.
On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:
if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities.
my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it.
You don't have to give us the name of your role. Just tell us which hint corresponds to your role.
On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:
i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they?
No one is going to defend you now.
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On December 06 2010 06:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:In past games... Show nested quote +
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
So he presents points that he knows will get you to react a certain way...so? He is a good scumhunter. You saying that he keeps bringing up the bad blood between you though is complete crap, because YOU are the one who is doing it to stir up trouble. Show nested quote +
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
But they can't stop you from using your DT skills? You can be roleblocked all the same.Show nested quote +
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening?
It wouldn't stop the kill from happening, but I don't want to give you the opportunity to run home to your mafia buddies tonight and aid in the kill.
Interesting that you think there is a role blocker, yet, iirc I don't remember there ever being mention of someone being role blocked....Very Noteworthy....
As for now....Fuck it, I'll bite KJ. If you made that whole shit up, I will take my hat off to you good sir.
(Annul, his post was pretty too....)
##Vote Annul
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I seriously would Lol if Annul is actual insane DT. Seriously, you should of fully role claimed.
And Aidnai. You promised to roleclaim. That's why. I don't care whats up with that, it should still come out. I don't CARE about what roles you have. We have numbers of how many roles exist. Almost all blue. Mass roleclaim, pop pop pop shit that matches up.
Everyone wants to be all protective and shit. Sheesh. Cut some losses.
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On December 06 2010 15:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I seriously would Lol if Annul is actual insane DT. Seriously, you should of fully role claimed.
And Aidnai. You promised to roleclaim. That's why. I don't care whats up with that, it should still come out. I don't CARE about what roles you have. We have numbers of how many roles exist. Almost all blue. Mass roleclaim, pop pop pop shit that matches up.
Everyone wants to be all protective and shit. Sheesh. Cut some losses.
annul is definitely not the Insane DT. I don't know what his role is yet because not everyone has role-claimed.
According to my notes there are 5 roles that have still not been claimed. Two of these are pharmacists. I'm still in favour of keeping not role-claiming to keep our pharmacists hidden. We don't know how many KPs the mafia has and I still need protection for at least one more night. I have likely suspects that I want to check but we need one more vote on annul to get us there.
Anyone want to do the honours and remove this scum from our game?
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btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now)
oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over.
the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs.
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On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote:
btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now)
oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over.
the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs.
OR, if we assume that mafia has 2 KP then we could lynch you and reduce the mafia KP to only 1. We'd buy ourselves one more chance tomorrow.
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or we can lynch you and achieve the same effect, IF that is the effect it has on the KP.
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#Vote annul
For the town!
Sorry I played terribly this game, but I can't think of any other way this can be done. 'Twas nice knowing you all.
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weeeeeell then.
i fucking hate you KJ lol
good luck scum!
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One more vote is needed if Annul is to be lynched.
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