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Night 3
While standing before the firing squad, Annul the Treacherous Lover was shot. From the sidelines, Node the Lover cried. When he got home he hung himself, unable to deal with the death of his lover.
Treacherous Lover - You have fallen in love with a town player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You win if the mafia wins. You must keep your relationship a secret. You can PM each other. Your lover is: Node
The Lover - You have fallen in love with a mafia player and begun a relationship. If that player dies, you die. You can PM each other. You must keep your relationship a secret. In addition, you have the powers of a tracker. You win with the town. Your lover is:
annul
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Oh wow. Wait, the town lover knew that he's mafia? So.. node knew annul was mafia?
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Yes, he did.
But it was against the rules for him to claim it and I would have requested that he be banned from a future game if he ignored that rule to sac a mafia 1:1
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Lawl, worst fake claim ever annul.
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Game just got a fuck town easier. Time to go read Annuls posts.
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On December 06 2010 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yes, he did.
But it was against the rules for him to claim it and I would have requested that he be banned from a future game if he ignored that rule to sac a mafia 1:1
I still think forcing a role to contradict their win conditions is a tad silly  anything that can't be logically justified in not doing and has to be artificially enforced is stupid. Like in my game that I am going to host next I want people to not be dumb and role claim to random people but I am not just going to ban it, I am introducing rules that lead to severe negative outcomes upon doing such.
Forcing someone to abide by some arbitrary rule in fear of a ban seems to hurt the spirit of the game, a mod is here to oversee the game not control the players.
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Anyone notice Annul didn't vote for Aidnai? As a matter of fact, the whole time Aidnai was being discussed Annul never ONCE mentioned his name?
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On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously
My bad, one post. Where he reminds me that I need to "unvote" Aidnai....
Thaaaaanks.
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Still missing a night action. When I get it, the day is done.
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On December 07 2010 02:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yes, he did.
But it was against the rules for him to claim it and I would have requested that he be banned from a future game if he ignored that rule to sac a mafia 1:1 I still think forcing a role to contradict their win conditions is a tad silly anything that can't be logically justified in not doing and has to be artificially enforced is stupid. Like in my game that I am going to host next I want people to not be dumb and role claim to random people but I am not just going to ban it, I am introducing rules that lead to severe negative outcomes upon doing such. Forcing someone to abide by some arbitrary rule in fear of a ban seems to hurt the spirit of the game, a mod is here to oversee the game not control the players.
Then there is no reason the lover simply won't roleclaim and sac himself 1:1 because it's always the pro-town thing to do.
If he won't do it himself, the town will force him to if they know lovers exist or at least they should.
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and node, the tricky bastard, in one of his first PMs to me, asked me for the mafia roster.
had i given it to him, that would have immediately ended the game
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~OpZ~, I followed your lead and I have waded through all of annul's posts. I compiled them into a single list and looked through them for players who he supports/opposes/avoids. Here they all are:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2010 22:51 annul wrote:
/in if allowed, sure On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote:ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote:
btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL On November 30 2010 12:37 annul wrote:
i must have missed it but where did drh say no PMs? On November 30 2010 13:10 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 12:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and if I am correct on the pharmacist role it means we can't block any of the kills tonight, so whoever is the most active will die, or anyone who is confirmed. So anyone important should avoid claiming, because if I am correct it means you will die and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
uh
orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing. On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems
but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed.
at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good.
PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments"
big big difference On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku..
but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? On December 01 2010 06:51 annul wrote:
to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am.
so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well. On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote:
so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use On December 01 2010 11:39 annul wrote:
i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what On December 01 2010 11:40 annul wrote:
preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard) On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote:
wow
drh says that he has hinted to all roles
where is the vote redirection role hint?
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously On December 02 2010 02:37 annul wrote:
hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever.
seriously how is there a better target than this On December 02 2010 03:01 annul wrote:
yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it. On December 02 2010 05:18 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:09 DarthThienAn wrote:On December 02 2010 04:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I do not have a role in this game, the riddler thing was just a joke No jokes allowed!!  your playstyle is a joke ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote:
ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation? On December 02 2010 05:45 annul wrote:the fishball issue is as follows: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing On December 02 2010 05:46 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch wat On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early. On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote:
hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3 On December 03 2010 06:56 annul wrote:
hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3 On December 04 2010 04:54 annul wrote:
um
fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies.
why arent we insta-voting him? On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote:
he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit? On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role). On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
coagulation
was there a hint to a traitor role? On December 04 2010 05:09 annul wrote:
... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me. On December 04 2010 05:11 annul wrote:
i missed it then.
whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz? On December 04 2010 05:13 annul wrote:
oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis On December 04 2010 05:14 annul wrote:
but okay then.
##unvote fishball
##vote ~opz~ On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). On December 04 2010 05:35 annul wrote:
##unvote ~opz~
##vote fishball
i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch. On December 04 2010 05:36 annul wrote:
Fishball:
Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul
opz:
aeres
is this correct? On December 04 2010 06:31 annul wrote:
KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote:
is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. On December 04 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle. On December 04 2010 16:10 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fuck it im just gonna end the night when i get everyones actions
i work too late tomorrow and im too tired
plus i hate it when people change too much. I have all night actions. you people have 30 minutes to make your decisions. drh = caller? On December 04 2010 16:19 annul wrote:
no i agree you just said night ends in 30 minutes like 2 hours ago On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote:
maybe there is a night vig somewhere On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote:
let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"?
and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too?
maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote:nothing Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed.  Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. nothing Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> nothing post Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai nothing post, bandwagon follower Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< nothing post Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP admission of wrongness, see above Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ wifom Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. as much "nothing" as some of mine Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play.
You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch.
What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too On December 06 2010 04:04 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 18:15 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler [another interesting phenomenon] +On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:
Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night.  I'll be off for the next 9 hours. i only post my reaction of you after you go on offense against me. i dont go through the hassle of checking every single post of somebody and analyze them unless i have a reason to. On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote:
next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01 On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it.
i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting.
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%.
so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight.
KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time. On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
"ive been told" - what?
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening? On December 06 2010 06:38 annul wrote:
i do not fear the roleblock, that is not what i talk about when i say that people can avoid my ability.
assume i am mafia (i am not)... if you town lynch me today, you assume i cannot return to my mafia team and influence future actions? if i were mafia, i still win even if i am dead. i can still assist them with future night kill choices. or, you know, i could tell them today what i want to happen tonight, right? so really i demur that argument.
but of course, am not mafia. KJ is. and as to jcarl, isnt it much more likely that i defend myself when i am called a red by a DT when i am in fact the DT and i KNOW he is lying? not just suspect, but KNOW? think about it On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote:
1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes?
2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce.
3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic
4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try. On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town. if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities. my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it. i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they? On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote:
btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now)
oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over.
the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs. On December 06 2010 15:45 annul wrote:
or we can lynch you and achieve the same effect, IF that is the effect it has on the KP. On December 06 2010 15:47 annul wrote:
weeeeeell then.
i fucking hate you KJ lol
good luck scum!
In all of these posts, he doesn't actually support anyone so I can't link him to any other possible mafia.
However, he only attacks Fishball, myself and ghrur.
So the fact that he doesn't actually attack someone is not enough for me to choose that player to check tonight. I have my suspicions for a possible mafia. I'm pretty sure that this player is Red based on posts and behaviour this game but we'll find out after the Night is over. I have to choose to check someone secretly so that the mafia can't ruin my plan.
Also, I'm going to ask for protection from the Pharmacists. We need to keep the mafia guessing though, so randomly decide to protect yourself or me but don't reveal who you chose. That way they'll have a hard time deciding who to kill.
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On December 07 2010 05:32 annul wrote:
and node, the tricky bastard, in one of his first PMs to me, asked me for the mafia roster.
had i given it to him, that would have immediately ended the game
It was worth a shot :p
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On December 07 2010 05:55 kingjames01 wrote:~OpZ~, I followed your lead and I have waded through all of annul's posts. I compiled them into a single list and looked through them for players who he supports/opposes/avoids. Here they all are: + Show Spoiler +On November 29 2010 22:51 annul wrote:
/in if allowed, sure On November 30 2010 09:19 annul wrote:ok hi so like, the "spirit" is probably a ghost, in haunted ghosts were medics... there are lovers in the game children are... http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Innocent_Child (so maybe the variation is in play) black hood... vig? doctor thats 6. so 6 more to go On November 30 2010 12:55 annul wrote:
btw it is illegal to claim on day 1 ROL On November 30 2010 12:37 annul wrote:
i must have missed it but where did drh say no PMs? On November 30 2010 13:10 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 12:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and if I am correct on the pharmacist role it means we can't block any of the kills tonight, so whoever is the most active will die, or anyone who is confirmed. So anyone important should avoid claiming, because if I am correct it means you will die and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. only time "nothing can be done" is today (if you are right on the role that is), and we cant roleclaim today On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
uh
orgolove could just be changing his vote as a way to get more people onto fishball and off of ROL... i mean without a "vote changer" role existing. On December 01 2010 06:04 annul wrote:
and lol KJ, good to see you and i finally agree that hostile attacks have no place in mafia games On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
see that is the problem, you do not need to "unnerve" anyone into anything. this is a competitive game yes, but use your competition to win people over on argumentation, not insults, etc. all i am saying is that if you agree with that, finally, then good, we can continue without problems
but i do find it very funny, the above post of yours. timely, indeed.
at least you dont condone it IRL, that is good.
PS not trying to "get the last word" - only commend you for your sudden change of heart in playstyle On December 01 2010 06:23 annul wrote:
there is a big difference between "that argument is bad because X" and "you make bad arguments"
big big difference On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
you definitely do not make the first type of statement; or at least you didnt, to me, in sengoku..
but if you dont want to be addressed, then sure, ill stop addressing you. i will grant you the cessation of attack that you did not grant me. <3
so okay, back to this game, did nobody catch what i said about orgolove? maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role, to put more peeps onto fishball and off of ROL (or maybe even coag, if he's bussing)? On December 01 2010 06:51 annul wrote:
to be fair i had no idea you were even signed up for this game, i would have went /out had i known. i dont want to play with you either. it seems that all you are going to do is fight me in every single game we play. no matter what. you were wrong about me in sengoku and so it makes me think that your sole intention is to attack me regardless, whatever color you think i am or whatever color i actually am.
so believe me the sentiment is mirrored from my perspective as well. On December 01 2010 09:01 annul wrote:
so explain to me why we have gotten off of fishball?
look at the post i made when i voted him, when i quoted his post and showed the two blatant contradictory ideas. then look at orgolove. he either 1. is bussing fishball or 2. someone actually used that power and wants to save fishball, and the only logical use of this is a mafia use On December 01 2010 11:39 annul wrote:
i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what On December 01 2010 11:40 annul wrote:
preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard) On December 01 2010 15:29 annul wrote:
wow
drh says that he has hinted to all roles
where is the vote redirection role hint?
vote fishball, then vote orgolove tomorrow On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
opz already has a "vote" on aidnai (through ROL) so you technically need to unvote first.
also, there are 14 votes up and the day isnt over, so whoever hasnt voted must be "the hammer"
its glasse. glasse is the hammer. which is lol because of what happened with him and his profile clues in haunted ;D but glasse is teh hammer.
also i have changed my mind about orgolove. the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens. so orgolove for now is off my hook. i still like the fishball kill though for reasons iterated previously On December 02 2010 02:37 annul wrote:
hahahaha, AND the OMGUS with no other explanation whatsoever.
seriously how is there a better target than this On December 02 2010 03:01 annul wrote:
yeah, [almost] every single action anyone takes in these games has the implicit "i wanted to" attached to it. On December 02 2010 05:18 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:09 DarthThienAn wrote:On December 02 2010 04:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I do not have a role in this game, the riddler thing was just a joke No jokes allowed!! your playstyle is a joke ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote:
ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap On December 02 2010 05:24 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win. Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation? On December 02 2010 05:45 annul wrote:the fishball issue is as follows: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 14:38 annul wrote:On November 30 2010 13:59 Fishball wrote:
Hell, the game just started.
{...}
But if one were to ask me for "advice", I would say I'm more inclined to look at the inactives,
##vote fishball then, his OMGUS. then, the potential for mafia-controlled vote redirection. then, his lack of contribution whatsoever, even despite him saying "hell the game just started" yeah its been going on for a while - what has he done? a bunch of nothing On December 02 2010 05:46 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch wat On December 03 2010 02:58 annul wrote:
"the hammer almost struck back"
so that means the axe strikes early. On December 03 2010 06:05 annul wrote:
hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once salem finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3 On December 03 2010 06:56 annul wrote:
hey now im allowed to make garbage posts all the same as you do <3 On December 04 2010 04:54 annul wrote:
um
fishball claimed spirit. says he will get more powers when he dies.
why arent we insta-voting him? On December 04 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
three options:
1. he is mafia. good lynch
2. he is spirit. good lynch.
3. he is neither. not that good a lynch, but what are the odds he is #3?
##vote fishball On December 04 2010 04:59 annul wrote:
he CLAIMED spirit. would a non-mafia, non-spirit claim spirit? On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
mafia would be ridiiiiiiculously overpowered if they got the spirit role. our only way to kill mafia is by the town lynch (and maybe a vig role). On December 04 2010 05:05 annul wrote:
coagulation
was there a hint to a traitor role? On December 04 2010 05:09 annul wrote:
... how is that a hint to a traitor role? sounds like confirmation of the second lover to me. On December 04 2010 05:11 annul wrote:
i missed it then.
whatever, who would you rather us kill? opz? On December 04 2010 05:13 annul wrote:
oh. well in that case, how would KILLING him make him town -> mafia? seems like he is already mafia then under that analysis On December 04 2010 05:14 annul wrote:
but okay then.
##unvote fishball
##vote ~opz~ On December 04 2010 05:24 annul wrote:
orgolove, you assume that it is a mafia role that nullifies the vote.
i think it is a part of his ability. since he wants to be town lynched, it is a detriment to his ability to make it harder for him to be town lynched. remember the clue says "the SYSTEM is corrupt" in all 4 colors. makes me think its a neutral occurrence. or maybe, even, the first to get to 4 gets a vote taken off of them (as happened last time). On December 04 2010 05:35 annul wrote:
##unvote ~opz~
##vote fishball
i still think hes town and would benefit from lynch. On December 04 2010 05:36 annul wrote:
Fishball:
Orgolove, Kingjames01, jcarlsoniv barundar coagulation annul
opz:
aeres
is this correct? On December 04 2010 06:31 annul wrote:
KJ sure knows how to be pro at insults amirite On December 04 2010 07:39 annul wrote:
is fish at 7 or 8?
i.e., is it over, or is there still a chance to debate this lynch? On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote:
well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count
now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. On December 04 2010 10:28 annul wrote:
no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle. On December 04 2010 16:10 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
fuck it im just gonna end the night when i get everyones actions
i work too late tomorrow and im too tired
plus i hate it when people change too much. I have all night actions. you people have 30 minutes to make your decisions. drh = caller? On December 04 2010 16:19 annul wrote:
no i agree you just said night ends in 30 minutes like 2 hours ago On December 05 2010 03:35 annul wrote:
maybe there is a night vig somewhere On December 05 2010 04:30 annul wrote:
well we dont know who the night vig hit and who the mafia hit
so maybe the mafia hit the tracker and the night vig took out coag or something
though maybe the mafia controls the night vig On December 05 2010 16:23 annul wrote:
let me ask you something ghrur
just an immediate response, but for shit like, for example,
"no. deconduo could only VOTE if he was the hammer.
it is possible for him to not vote in a day cycle."
which i said in clarification of someone else making a false assumption... this is a "nothing" post to you. so, tell me, ghrur, what IS a "something" post? if you call this a nothing post then how can i even attempt to respond to your claim that 95% of my shit are "nothing posts"?
and where is your analysis of KJ? he had a "pointless argument" all the same with me. why are you not calling him out on the bullshit too?
maybe you and he are both mafia. in fact that makes sense, since he is now conveniently "going to tell you everything" and how you are now going to "protect him"... hmmmmm On December 05 2010 16:32 annul wrote:nothing Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn. WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans. nothing Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)
Well, might as well be bold.
##Vote RebirthofLegend posting the inactives like 2 hours after game begins, as if it means something, and then a random vote out of nowhere with no logic or reason? k Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ just as much "nothing" as my posts he claims are nothing posts Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^ I was mostly kidding <3 Seems more like we switched alignments. >_> nothing post Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:10 ghrur wrote:
After that roleclaim and that defense, I'll admit I was wrong. Decond seems town to me now. :p. I mean, no town would admit to misusing that role so quickly. Peace? lol. admission of wrongness, cool, better than being called out for it later i guess Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 08:08 ghrur wrote:
Hey look! RoL and I agree despite me never even reading his analyses. ^_^
Well, I guess we have a lynch candidate.
##Vote Aidnai nothing post, bandwagon follower Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 10:55 ghrur wrote:Oh good god. I come back and there's green blood everywhere. Ugh, green is such a nasty color. We need more red blood... + Show Spoiler +or purple blood. ^_^ Purple so sexy yo, it's like gretorp and haunter But damnit man, Decond never even got to post his analysis. >_< nothing post Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP admission of wrongness, see above Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p "HEY LETS SCUM HUNT BUT UHHHHHH DON'T INCLUDE ME OK" also includes some pretty interesting stuff in paragraph 1, its as if you want to signal you know stuff but cant. mafia much? Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 12:25 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 12:21 kingjames01 wrote:You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work? - The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
Well, there are a few things that could go wrong with this: Mafia has someone to frame people with. One of them is paranoid, not insane. One of them is insane and the other is paranoid. We could have mafia claiming DT because everyone's already checked for, especially if godfather exists or there's he's a paranoid DT. But w/es, I suggest you take whatever you've got. If that's just this plan, than so be it. =/ wifom Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 10:20 ghrur wrote:On December 02 2010 10:19 LSB wrote:On December 02 2010 10:06 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2010 10:04 Node wrote:
I can't help but notice that the day ended as soon as aidnai no longer held more votes than southrawrea. So deconduo, you're saying that you suspected south enough to kill him without the majority?
And what do you mean by "I can only vote if my vote hammers"? If 8 people are needed to lynch, I can only vote if theres 7 votes on that person already. The exception being when I use my power. Wait, so did you use your power? Yeah, he used his power. Notice there were only 4 votes for SouthRawrea. as much "nothing" as some of mine Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:06 ghrur wrote:
God, how did Barundar die? >_< Didn't he say he had a "pill?" Also, 7-3 now, we're going to need to lynch a mafia today. Let's not rush this lynch. nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 02:13 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 02:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
oh shit ghrur for some reason i thought you were dead and i was about to flip on you for cheating hard Hahaha, mixing up the games there Doc. xD nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? this is pretty LOL to me. you leave a hint, because you intend the town to find it (otherwise why leave hints at all) but if you want town to find it, why not just be forthcoming with it? why risk mafia finding it and understanding it and not the town? maybe because you are mafia yourself? Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? nothing Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 14:06 ghrur wrote:On December 05 2010 13:25 kingjames01 wrote:On December 05 2010 13:02 ghrur wrote:
On another note, my 1000th post is coming up. ^_^ Anyone know when mutas pop? Or lurkers? =) Are you going to spam to get to 1000? Ouch. T_T That hurts. On December 05 2010 12:58 ghrur wrote:
Opz, I understand if you're suspicious of me, but I'm going to tell you, I left a hint somewhere along the way confirming my towniness. If you want me to prove it to you, I can do so during the night. I mean, would a mafia push Decond so hard (like an idiot :p)? Well, you've been pretty inactive. Now it seems like you're asking not to be lynched so that you can make it to the Night. If you WERE in fact Red, this would be a pretty good play.
You've basically put us in a really awkward position. We cannot ask you to reveal your clue if it puts us at risk. However, we cannot allow you to just throw out vague hints and give you a free pass through the lynch.
What else can you say? I've been inactive because I haven't been able to use TL for around 17 out of the last 21 hours or so. =/ If you want actual inactives, look at Aidnai who's basically disappeared despite him promising an analysis. Look at Node who hasn't even been here since the new day started. Heck, even Aeres who's last post was over 24 hours ago. Besides, I've been actively reading this thread, it's just I don't exactly trust my scumhunting after pushing Decond, suspecting Aidnai, and suspecting jcarl without much results. =/ Would you like me to post my thoughts on the game? im inactive but about to post an analysis on annul calling him out for supposedly providing nothing to the town, cool soooooooooooooooooooo yeah i can play this game too On December 06 2010 04:04 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2010 18:15 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler [another interesting phenomenon] +On December 05 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote:
Well, I have my analysis on Aeres almost ready to go, and i check the thread to see what's up, and here's Annul vs Ghrur.
Before this argument came up, i had not considered annul, but I already analyzed ghrur (didn't post much of it though) and decided he was town. Reading their arguments, it still looks to me like ghrur is town, and he has done a decent analysis, imo better than his analysis of deconduo. Annul's reaction is... well, definitely a reaction. I want to go through the thread and decide for myself about annul though. He really flew under my radar up until now...
Bottom line: I think we may have a winner here, and to avoid confusion and multiple lynch targets, i will hold off on my aeres analysis for now. I'll post it if Annul vs. Ghrur is not going anywhere.
Post both. Also, yes, it is indeed a reaction. You know what's more interesting? He was DEFINITELY online between the time he last posted and the time of my post. Yet why, annul, did you not post your thoughts on the discussion? Opz asked for opinion. Why did you not give it to him? Why were you lurking instead of actually posting and being helpful? You could've said "GHRUR WAS SCUM" or "GHRUR IS USELESS" before I posted anything. In fact, if you were sure I am indeed scum and you are town, you would have done so and tried to secure a safe lynch for the town. However, you didn't. Instead, you stayed in the background, posted nothing since December 5th, 4:30 despite you being on at: 7:21, 9:35, 10:09, 11:23, 11:34, 13:37 (LOL 1337), and 14:09. Why wait until I call you out at 15:44 and post only at 16:23? There are a plethora of un-analyzed people. You could've easily posted about any of them. You could've posted your opinions on me, Node, KJ, Aidnai, but you didn't. Probably to not draw attention to yourself because, heck, as Divinek has shown, sometimes the easiest way to win for scum is to lurk. With that, good night. I'll be off for the next 9 hours. i only post my reaction of you after you go on offense against me. i dont go through the hassle of checking every single post of somebody and analyze them unless i have a reason to. On December 06 2010 04:12 annul wrote:
next, KJ tries to use our argument as a vehicle to suspect i am mafia? he is just as guilty - if not more so - of any beef we have. he started the garbage up in sengoku and he continues the garbage here. so he uses this as a predicate to attack me?
he is not the "insane detective". i am. and i know that node is a green. thats it, so why would i come out? waste of a DT really. but now the town wants to attack me and i need to save my ass. the ghrur/KJ connection is pretty obvious.
i have one check remaining, then i run out of DT power. keep me alive and tonight i will return a verdict on ghrur. KJ is very good at writing a whole bunch of convincing shit while being utterly incorrect and misleading - i know this for a 100% fact now. i was on his ass forever and now hes taking an opportunity to lynch me because i hate him. im not the mafia - he is. and so is ghrur, probably.
in the meanwhile because KJ is an obvious liar,
##vote kingjames01 On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
i said i only had that information, not that that was all i have checked. think about it, two nights to check, one target, hmmmm maybe one of my checks is dead?
LSB was my other check.
of course i am asking for a reprieve, because i am not mafia, and now i know for sure that you are. is there any other time in the game that a player is going to ask for a reprieve other than when people are on their ass for day lynch? think about it.
i hate you because you are ridiculously incendiary for no reason. your arguments are always very offensive, even if you deny this until the end. our fight in sengoku (which, by the way, your 50 pages of accusations turned out to be false, go figure)... our fighting here... all you do is cause problems. and ghrur conveniently overlooks the mutuality of it all. it really is interesting.
my "proof" is who do you believe more? there are two competing claims. you claimed insane DT and called me out. i am the true insane DT. i really do not know why you did this, because when i do flip town, you die tomorrow. its a weird sacrifice that i do not understand. but nevertheless, it is true; i am town, and if he is saying otherwise, he must be mafia.
also, you never showed "proof" either - you posted a chain of convenient situations that somehow makes you the insane DT. this is hilarious because now i know PRECISELY what you are capable of doing while red. any future games, i will trust you 0%.
so if i die today, when i flip blue (green i guess in this game ;\), look at KJ and look next at ghrur. and if i dont die today, i will check ghrur out tonight.
KJ has a history of making very long posts that sound great and look nice but ultimately are full of logical holes. do not let him win this time. On December 06 2010 05:01 annul wrote:
and yes, i do run out of juice. when i am out of DT power i have other smaller things i can do. On December 06 2010 05:59 annul wrote:
"ive been told" - what?
it was KJ who is pulling this garbage out this time. he is mafia and lying and is targeting me, specifically, because of the reaction he knows i will have.
yes, when i run out of juice i can do limited things. obviously i would say what they were if i didnt think it was a dumb idea to do so. presuming i do live i dont want people knowing what it is, because then they can possibly prevent it from happening.
furthermore, "the free pass to kill who i want" is fallacious. IF i were mafia (which i am not), mafia is going to be able to kill tonight all the same... so people are gonna die tonight no matter what, why would killing me (or, in the actual case, any mafia to begin with) stop that from happening? On December 06 2010 06:38 annul wrote:
i do not fear the roleblock, that is not what i talk about when i say that people can avoid my ability.
assume i am mafia (i am not)... if you town lynch me today, you assume i cannot return to my mafia team and influence future actions? if i were mafia, i still win even if i am dead. i can still assist them with future night kill choices. or, you know, i could tell them today what i want to happen tonight, right? so really i demur that argument.
but of course, am not mafia. KJ is. and as to jcarl, isnt it much more likely that i defend myself when i am called a red by a DT when i am in fact the DT and i KNOW he is lying? not just suspect, but KNOW? think about it On December 06 2010 08:39 annul wrote:
1. not giving you any more information. you are mafia, why would i tell you my thought processes?
2. it is as good a proof as anything you can produce.
3. hypnotist, as you claim it, is the same thing as an insane DT. you get to rolecheck someone at night and get the wrong information. this is an insane DT. dont try to argue like it isnt. does the town see what KJ does? i mean seriously this is ridic
4. i am an insane DT that has limited use and a minor set of abilities to choose from when i run out of these uses. as stated earlier, not going to explain to you (especially as you are mafia) what these minor abilities are. but nice try. On December 06 2010 14:28 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 09:45 ghrur wrote:
Annul, at least counterclaim fully if you're going to say that you're the insane DT and not KJ. Right now, your counterclaim doesn't even give us enough information to believe you. What clue points to your role? What're your other minor abilities? Why does your role "run out of juice?" Why wouldn't you be willing to fully claim to kill a mafia member? What is the name of your role? Come on, unless you tell us all those, are you seriously expecting us to believe your counterclaim over KJ's claim? Furthermore, your description of a role is nowhere to be found on Mafia Wiki. From the roles seen before, every role has an equivalent on Mafia Wiki. Why would you suddenly get a mash-up of a temporary insane DT followed by random "weaker" powers that you won't even share with us? I think this is just a last ditch attempt to confuse town and escape from your lynch.
##Vote Annul i dont fully counter claim because it is 7-3 now and i am playing for endgame. i am going to assume mafia has 2 KP and one of their night 1 was blocked (maybe a delayed kill like poison in haunted?). if i die, KJ dies anyway, so the argument of "fully claim to take down a mafia" isnt gonna work, since he is going down tomorrow no matter what when i flip town. if i gave you the name of my role, then this will signal how to defeat my abilities. my role runs out of juice because that is how drh set up the role? i have never seen this role before, ever. so it is new. i have multiple things i can do at night but the DT-type ability is most potent, so i use it. i am sure there is somebody in the town who can help me defend myself. where are they? On December 06 2010 15:43 annul wrote:
btw i actually thought it was 7-3, not 6-3, not like its some intentional deception when its obviously checkable on the OP (as i am pointed out to now)
oh wow. if i die we lose, the game is over.
the remaining players, the final voters need to think very very carefully about this lynch. when i die, assuming mafia has 2 KP, the game is over unless some medic save occurs. On December 06 2010 15:45 annul wrote:
or we can lynch you and achieve the same effect, IF that is the effect it has on the KP. On December 06 2010 15:47 annul wrote:
weeeeeell then.
i fucking hate you KJ lol
good luck scum! In all of these posts, he doesn't actually support anyone so I can't link him to any other possible mafia. However, he only attacks Fishball, myself and ghrur. So the fact that he doesn't actually attack someone is not enough for me to choose that player to check tonight. I have my suspicions for a possible mafia. I'm pretty sure that this player is Red based on posts and behaviour this game but we'll find out after the Night is over. I have to choose to check someone secretly so that the mafia can't ruin my plan. Also, I'm going to ask for protection from the Pharmacists. We need to keep the mafia guessing though, so randomly decide to protect yourself or me but don't reveal who you chose. That way they'll have a hard time deciding who to kill.
Point is, Aidnai could of been nailed in the coffin had Annul changed his vote.
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On December 07 2010 06:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Point is, Aidnai could of been nailed in the coffin had Annul changed his vote.
That's true. Obviously I don't doubt your motives since we know you're Town. However, I cannot openly commit to choosing a specific target in the thread. If I announce who I will check, then the mafia could either switch my target to someone else or just kill that player rendering my action useless.
At the time I had my vote on orgolove and just after DrH posted the vote count you decided to vote for me. Also, if either of us changed our vote, we could have been the "nail in the coffin" since deconduo was waiting to cast the Hammer.
On December 01 2010 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vote tally:
Aidnai - 6
Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, noe
Coagulation - 2
Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea
Fishball - 3
Voters: annul, Coagulation, aidnai,
RebirthOfLegend - 1
Voters: Fishball,
ghrur - 1
Voters: Pandain
orgolove - 1
Voters: kingjames27
On December 02 2010 01:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01
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On December 07 2010 06:53 kingjames01 wrote:
That's true. Obviously I don't doubt your motives since we know you're Town. However, I cannot openly commit to choosing a specific target in the thread. If I announce who I will check, then the mafia could either switch my target to someone else or just kill that player rendering my action useless.
Alright, let me elaborate on my plan a little. I have two options but I won't reveal which one I will use.
Option 1:
- Check aidnai tonight.
- If aidnai is mafia, we lynch him tomorrow.
- If aidnai is not mafia, we will have to analyze to find another suspect for the lynch.
- Either way, I'll check my other suspect tomorrow night.
Option 2:
- Check my other suspect tonight.
- If my other suspect is mafia, we lynch the other suspect tomorrow. Then I check aidnai overnight.
- If my other suspect is not mafia, we lynch aidnai tomorrow.
I have strong feelings for either option, but of course I won't discuss that before the results are revealed.
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When is the Day post going to come? Everything is so up in the air right now.
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On December 07 2010 05:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 02:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On December 06 2010 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yes, he did.
But it was against the rules for him to claim it and I would have requested that he be banned from a future game if he ignored that rule to sac a mafia 1:1 I still think forcing a role to contradict their win conditions is a tad silly anything that can't be logically justified in not doing and has to be artificially enforced is stupid. Like in my game that I am going to host next I want people to not be dumb and role claim to random people but I am not just going to ban it, I am introducing rules that lead to severe negative outcomes upon doing such. Forcing someone to abide by some arbitrary rule in fear of a ban seems to hurt the spirit of the game, a mod is here to oversee the game not control the players. Then there is no reason the lover simply won't roleclaim and sac himself 1:1 because it's always the pro-town thing to do. If he won't do it himself, the town will force him to if they know lovers exist or at least they should.
Aren't lovers only able win if the other is still alive? Sort of like third party? But basically the town lover has to help the mafia.
Thats how I thought it was suppose to be, but of course, that makes it a lot harder on the lovers.
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Good job everyone. ^_^ Let's get done with 2 more days and finally end this crazy mini-mafia. :p
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The colours in the Night 3 post reminds me of Christmas... =)
I hope everyone gets their actions in soon! I'm really excited to see what happened.
We should coordinate so that everyone is online at the same time. Depending on what my check shows we could then all vote and not give mafia any time to react and form a defense. If we rush the day then we can get into another Night phase.
At the moment, the game is 5 Town to 2 Mafia. We're in very good shape especially since we have 1 player who is very likely to be mafia. I also have my eye another player who's posts have been full of logical holes.
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