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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote: I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints". On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote: I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning. Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted. Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases. Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia. Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash. | ||
kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 01 2010 15:42 Node wrote: Considering how DrH has hinted at just how nuts some of his roles are, I think it's pretty silly to presume what their capabilities and limitations might be. Remember also that Coagulation has also hinted at some kind of town circle role and deconduo intends to roleclaim tomorrow. We may be able to come up with some basic "archetypes" (doctor, detective) but I'm not about to base any decisions on what may or may not exist in this game. Well, Coagulation could be explained as a Mason which someone suggested was the "man in the black hood." Oh, I just got an idea. | ||
Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On December 01 2010 15:42 kingjames01 wrote: Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted. Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases. Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia. Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash. I know the difference between the two (unless you think others are retarded), and that is not my point. Sure, a host can do whatever he wants; That's why I said "I personally think". | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I'll be doing more of these mini mafia games as a sandbox for my stupid ideas | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I'd also like to apologize for being a hypocrite. I've been rude to a lot of players and especially when I'm mafia I've tried to win the game by alienating other players and intimiating townies with condescension. I think there is a forum wide effort to recruit more newbies so I think everyone needs to cool their jets for the next few games. You need thick skin to play mafia but when feelings are hurt there is a problem. So I'm sorry to everyone I've personally offended or made feel inadequate. You can always feel free to PM me for advice/friendly talk about how to improve. I have more advice for mafia players than town though, for sure. This isn't an extremely serious game so I don't mind saying it here. Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. | ||
kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote: Sighhh The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc. On December 01 2010 15:39 orgolove wrote: I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important. I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay. If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned. | ||
kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also no personal attacks. Annul and kingjames01 if you have a beef, drop it because I can tell you right now it's BS. This is a forum game of zero significance and I consider you both smart fellows and decent mafia players. This is the attitude that ruins mafia games. I'd also like to apologize for being a hypocrite. I've been rude to a lot of players and especially when I'm mafia I've tried to win the game by alienating other players and intimiating townies with condescension. I think there is a forum wide effort to recruit more newbies so I think everyone needs to cool their jets for the next few games. You need thick skin to play mafia but when feelings are hurt there is a problem. So I'm sorry to everyone I've personally offended or made feel inadequate. You can always feel free to PM me for advice/friendly talk about how to improve. I have more advice for mafia players than town though, for sure. This isn't an extremely serious game so I don't mind saying it here. Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. I agree that there is no place for personal attacks in a Mafia game. I think that the onus is on each player to clean up their language. Insinuating that someone is stupid because they don't agree with you is wrong. I do not enjoy seeing posts with "Are you stupid/retarded/a little moron/a douche/other variant of idiot" even if they're not directed towards me. It detracts from the argument and only serves to make the poster appear foolish. My comment then is I hope that hosts/mods will do their part to make sure that Mafia is a safe environment for players, new or experienced. If we wanted to face personal attacks, we'd be laddering. + Show Spoiler + hehe... Also, you said dick. | ||
Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
I feel really sorry for Glasse though, I think he has been unlucky with being the target a bit too often . | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Aidnai - 6 Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, noe Coagulation - 2 Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea Fishball - 3 Voters: annul, Coagulation, aidnai, RebirthOfLegend - 1 Voters: Fishball, ghrur - 1 Voters: Pandain orgolove - 1 Voters: kingjames27 | ||
Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Secondly I initially voted for Aidnai, because I saw a post which basically repeated itself "no town circles, no town circles" and "discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam", which obviously is a contradiction in itself. However my vote was by no means final, and I simply wanted his explanation. Instead we saw what I consider an attempt to blame fishball, and a ton of spam. This is what I consider the mafia panic response. If mafia had played it cool, my doubts would have been easily dismissed, and from what I can guess since he was weary as well, so would Aeres’. Aidnai’s defence came very late, and while it is decent, it came after the panic response. Thirdly the only other person I could be convinced to vote for is Ghrur. His attacks on Deconduo seems unreasonable to me. I too got annoyed at Deconduo’s vote tally posting, and called him out on it, but he responded convincingly straight away. However Ghrur is not the target that is being launched as a second candidate. This is also a reason for me to stick to Aidnai. Lastly I’m really sorry for voting for you Aidnai, I know how frustrating it is to get thrown out early, and I honestly wouldn’t have voted for you if RoL hadn’t spotted that post. | ||
Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 01 2010 16:12 kingjames01 wrote: I had a plan to try and fill out our list, but I just asked DrH about it via PM and he said that my plan is too close to roleclaiming to be legal. Basically, my plan was for us to say whether or not our clue was in the list and if the guess about our role was correct or not. We would not say which clue nor would we be revealing what our actual role was. This was an attempt to reduce the amount of possible defenses that the mafia could try to use and also flesh out our list of roles. I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay. If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned. How bout this KJ: On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The system is corrupt. And i think that is a hint for every role. GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!) I believe "The system is corrupt" was a clue. Dr.H then said (or at least meant to say) "I think I have given a clue for each role. This being a clue would certainly explain orgo. | ||
deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 01 2010 11:54 ghrur wrote: Okay, I'm good with that. You're right. That was indeed a pretty useless post except that I voted for someone and they did help contribute afterwards. I'm not gonna deny it though, it was a worthless post aside from the vote. I maintain that it's just general day 1 chat though. =/ Why is it not done by ANYONE except caller in sengoku then? That too is a majority lynch game. Still, I suppose you're right on this one. I've never played a majority vote game like this one before where day ends once we get a majority, so I'll concede the point. However, I wasn't taking a dig at you. I was complimenting you. I'm sorry if it sounded like a dig. Why is this specific to majority lynch games? It could happen for all mafia games, especially those with a close vote and time-based days. You voted relatively early on in Salem, and then even experimented with Kenpachi near the end. You could've killed him when you woke up too with the deadline if you weren't watching. Except not. I know exactly when the day would end in salem. I know that if I go to sleep, there will still be x hours left when I wake up to read over what has happened, and to change my vote. In this game, the day can end at ANY time. With so few players, each vote is vital, and not to be fucked around with. It takes only 5 townies to be wrong to lynch a townie (+3 maf) and this will get worse as the game goes on. If I place a vote frivolously then it only takes 4. With possibly vote manip roles, that could be down to 3 or 2. While this is somewhat unreasonable, its still a possibility. Furthermore, why're you afraid to vote on Day 1 when it was early in the game? You said, Guess what? YOU NEVER DID THAT. Interesting contradiction huh? Scum much? Pressure does not mean voting. Also read down. That doesn't make it any less wishy-washy. Guess what heuristic Ver used in his Mafia XXX write up to help determine mafia? Wishy-washiness. Furthermore, you're exaggerating my argument. I never stated in any way that you had to know what the roles do or anything. I'm just saying you're being way too non-assertive about your theories, like you don't want to put them out there. So please, almighty scholar, tell me how to give a suggestion on how the clues work without using the words possibly/maybe/could/theory/assumption/implies/probably etc. I'd loooooooove to hear it. Oh also, please show me where you contributed by helping analyse the clues. Except... it wasn't. It was equally useless in my eyes. So you admit you haven't contributed, and yet are trying to make a case for someone being mafia because they haven't contributed. I'll take your word on that. If not though, I hope you understand that it'll be a HUGE FoS on you. In fact, a palm of suspicion. Too bad, I'm just hunting scum. If I need to be aggressive, which I've found out that I do, then I'll do it. Also, I'm not scum. I'm blue. ^_^ No, a case is definitely to be made here. Notice this. Throughout this WHOLE post accusing me, not once has he denied that he is INDEED mafia! Furthermore, he doesn't disagree with the fact that he has posted one liners, he just says I don't contribute. Also, [b]note the interesting contradiction about him and putting pressure on lurkers. Interesting how he doesn't follow his own advice, no? Couple that with this idea: Guess what, that was by Ver. Notice the similarities yet? He says put pressure on a lurker and see how they respond. HE DOESN'T DO IT. Why? Because of the principle "Voting must be taken seriously."... but it's day 1? And he was still active during that time? Finally, notice once more, he says we don't know what roles there are. I agree with that. However, that only supports my point that a "roleclaim" by a mafia member would only be beneficial to them because THEY have the information, THEY can make up any role (like pandain did), and THEY can lead us astray. It only helps them to roleclaim so early when we have little to no information and confuse us. Decond never disagrees with this. Sorry decond, despite your attacks, the contradictions are there. I understand I haven't been helpful yet to you, town, especially not to pandain's standards, but I'm trying here. Just look at these contradictions. Those aren't made up, they're staring you in the face. Suspect Decond. Once again, made up case where there is none. Where have I contradicted myself? I suggested to put pressure on lurkers, but hey, what lurkers? There are these things called timezones. Voting someone when they are asleep doesn't do anything. Not posting in 24 hours is lurking, but that didn't happen for anyone. We don't really have any lurkers, as everyone has either posted sufficiently or been switched out. YOU have no idea what my role is. I decided that it helps town to know my role rather than have it hidden, and YOU can't say otherwise. I don't know why you've decided to try and push on me, but its certainly a big change from how you acted in salem. This leads me to believe you are just trying too hard and failing rather than being mafia. You've got the wrong person, get over it. | ||
deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
YOU CAN TAKE YOUR ROLE RIDDLES AND KICK ROCKS BUDDY. he already said hes rooting for scum victory. nothing he says can be trusted by town. ##vote DoctorHelvetica | ||
Pandain
United States12979 Posts
Again, someone post why aidnai is scum. I have not seen a single good reason. A SINGLE GOOD REASON why we should lynch him. And he already has 6 votes on him. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
##Vote: kingjames01 | ||
Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
no one has voted him yet | ||
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