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RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells.
## Unvote Coag
## Vote Aidnai
On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.
Really necessary though?
To address ghrur:
Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
I am currently in 3 games of mafia, in the last 3 weeks of my college semester, and I am a varsity athlete, so excuse me if people post things that I agree with before I can post them. Speculative topics are just that, completely speculative, and I believe a lot of the speculation that has been made is correct, so I agree with it.
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly
This is because in Salem, I know facts. In Sengoku, I know facts. I can be confident about the facts I know, and can convey this confidence. This is a game that has just started and everyone is just speculating. I cannot be sure if any of my speculations are correct, so I don't post them in a definite manner.
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guys I am really sorry, I have to back out of this game for personal reasons.
gg gl the doctor said he had time to replace me.
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If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~!
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On December 01 2010 05:44 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:48 orgolove wrote:
So. I was given express permission to post this (i.e. it's not a roleclaim) by DrH.
I was given PM notification that my first vote was invalidated and I have to switch my vote.
There are 2 possibilities:
1. There's some hidden mechanic in the game that nullifies a random vote each day (not likely)
2. or there is a blue/red role that can invalidate a vote
I'm leaning towards #2. Given the power of such a role, and given that it was done to reduce the number of votes in the co-leader to be lynched, I think it is likely that it is a mafia role.
So for now, I'm forced to switch, so I'm changing my vote to the default:
##Vote: Coagulation
But I consider Fishball to be highly, highly suspect.
*Note: I know that reds can now use this information as an excuse to change their votes later on. But if we can catch 1 mafia in day 1, I think it is all worth it. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:50 orgolove wrote:
My name is listed as the first name to vote, and the first name for Fishball. But I was actually the second vote for Fishball.
Thus, consider this: the vote-nullifier looked at this list, and took off the first name that voted for Fishball - again pointing to his possibility as a red. Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 05:06 orgolove wrote:
Note that I'm not arguing for a policy lynch on coagulation here - I think it's pretty clear that he's a blue.
Instead of focusing on him, I'd concentrate more on the existence of a vote-switcher and Fishball. I think it is very interesting that you are suggesting that a Vote Nullifier role exists in this game. DrH has not hinted at such a role yet. However, there are still possibly 2 roles that have not been described. This could be a ruse to change your vote and cast suspicion. Under that assumption, you seem to be encouraging the lynch on Fishball without having to 'get your hands dirty.' ##Vote orgolove
Er. Do you guys really think I'm making up the vote nullifier? If I was making it up, why would I copy a function that's almost a direct copy of Insane Mafia? Come now...
There's a reason the first day is unlimited duration. It's to give time for these kinds of roles to be used effectively.
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On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role
Again, really? Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?
The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role.
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On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 06:36 annul wrote:
maybe hes making shit up about this vote redirection role Again, really? Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role.
I don't think you would make this role up. We are getting some role lists eventually, so for you to lie about this would just be stupid. Even if we weren't getting role lists, it wouldn't be worth it to lie about it on day 1.
The thing is, it is possible that mafia did this on Fishball just to incriminate him. I know it's a bit WIFOM and such, but I think it's worth keeping in mind. It doesn't 100% show that he's scum. Unless it's a stupid scum player who thought it would be a good idea to save his friend, even though you'd be told that you had to change your vote.
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A voice from the heavens speaks.
On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house
all fear or love the hammer
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You must really enjoy writing these, don't you Doc?
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On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
So we can roleclaim, but we can't share role PMs? I'm not sure what else the "documents" would refer to.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sounds like we don't have as much time as we think we do. Doc might end the day early, or maybe there is a role that decides when day will end. (One time use, of course)
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
Refers to a police officer role?
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
Sounds like multiple people can have the same role.
all fear or love the hammer
In the OP:
The vote that ends the day is called "the hammer".
Seems to me like it's referring to that.
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i think these clues mean that there is a role called "the hammer" that ends the day with the vote no matter what
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preacher probably refers to a priest role (bodyguard)
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On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A voice from the heavens speaks.
On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house
all fear or love the hammer
Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list.
- Someone got caught speeding in a car.
- A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker.
On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:
Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?
The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role.
Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now?
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The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role.
GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!)
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Thing is, if orgolove is mafia, I can't think of what he would actually have to gain for making up the role he did. Okay, so he gets to change his vote once. Whee?
I think we should wait and see if the role comes into effect again before we pass judgment on its fakeness.
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On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role.
GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!)
t(-_-t)
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You can roleclaim starting night 1.
You can not in any capacity quote your role pm. You must describe your role using your own words! This is so that everyone's roleclaim will be equally untrustworthy.
There are some weird ones that might seem dumb to put in so I can't wait for the "NO WAY DOCH WOULD PUT THAT ROLE IN THIS GAME" shit flinging when you realize how dumb i actually am as a host
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On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role.
If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement.
I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas?
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