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orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
December 01 2010 06:39 GMT
#241
I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important.
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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
December 01 2010 06:42 GMT
#242
Considering how DrH has hinted at just how nuts some of his roles are, I think it's pretty silly to presume what their capabilities and limitations might be. Remember also that Coagulation has also hinted at some kind of town circle role and deconduo intends to roleclaim tomorrow. We may be able to come up with some basic "archetypes" (doctor, detective) but I'm not about to base any decisions on what may or may not exist in this game.
whole lies with a half smile
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 01 2010 06:42 GMT
#243
On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote:
I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints".


On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote:
I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning.


Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted.

Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases.

Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia.

Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash.

Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 01 2010 06:47 GMT
#244
On December 01 2010 15:42 Node wrote:
Considering how DrH has hinted at just how nuts some of his roles are, I think it's pretty silly to presume what their capabilities and limitations might be. Remember also that Coagulation has also hinted at some kind of town circle role and deconduo intends to roleclaim tomorrow. We may be able to come up with some basic "archetypes" (doctor, detective) but I'm not about to base any decisions on what may or may not exist in this game.


Well, Coagulation could be explained as a Mason which someone suggested was the "man in the black hood."

Oh, I just got an idea.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
December 01 2010 06:50 GMT
#245
On December 01 2010 15:42 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote:
I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints".


Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote:
I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning.


Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted.

Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases.

Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia.

Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash.



I know the difference between the two (unless you think others are retarded), and that is not my point.
Sure, a host can do whatever he wants; That's why I said "I personally think".
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 07:07 GMT
#246
Well this is an experimental mafia. A "test" so to speak.

I'll be doing more of these mini mafia games as a sandbox for my stupid ideas
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 07:12 GMT
#247
Also no personal attacks. Annul and kingjames01 if you have a beef, drop it because I can tell you right now it's BS. This is a forum game of zero significance and I consider you both smart fellows and decent mafia players. This is the attitude that ruins mafia games.

I'd also like to apologize for being a hypocrite. I've been rude to a lot of players and especially when I'm mafia I've tried to win the game by alienating other players and intimiating townies with condescension. I think there is a forum wide effort to recruit more newbies so I think everyone needs to cool their jets for the next few games. You need thick skin to play mafia but when feelings are hurt there is a problem.

So I'm sorry to everyone I've personally offended or made feel inadequate. You can always feel free to PM me for advice/friendly talk about how to improve. I have more advice for mafia players than town though, for sure.

This isn't an extremely serious game so I don't mind saying it here. Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest.
RIP Aaliyah
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 01 2010 07:12 GMT
#248
I had a plan to try and fill out our list, but I just asked DrH about it via PM and he said that my plan is too close to roleclaiming to be legal. Basically, my plan was for us to say whether or not our clue was in the list and if the guess about our role was correct or not. We would not say which clue nor would we be revealing what our actual role was. This was an attempt to reduce the amount of possible defenses that the mafia could try to use and also flesh out our list of roles.

On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote:
Sighhh


The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc.


On December 01 2010 15:39 orgolove wrote:
I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important.


I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay.

If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
December 01 2010 07:27 GMT
#249
On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also no personal attacks. Annul and kingjames01 if you have a beef, drop it because I can tell you right now it's BS. This is a forum game of zero significance and I consider you both smart fellows and decent mafia players. This is the attitude that ruins mafia games.

I'd also like to apologize for being a hypocrite. I've been rude to a lot of players and especially when I'm mafia I've tried to win the game by alienating other players and intimiating townies with condescension. I think there is a forum wide effort to recruit more newbies so I think everyone needs to cool their jets for the next few games. You need thick skin to play mafia but when feelings are hurt there is a problem.

So I'm sorry to everyone I've personally offended or made feel inadequate. You can always feel free to PM me for advice/friendly talk about how to improve. I have more advice for mafia players than town though, for sure.

This isn't an extremely serious game so I don't mind saying it here. Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest.


I agree that there is no place for personal attacks in a Mafia game.

I think that the onus is on each player to clean up their language. Insinuating that someone is stupid because they don't agree with you is wrong. I do not enjoy seeing posts with "Are you stupid/retarded/a little moron/a douche/other variant of idiot" even if they're not directed towards me. It detracts from the argument and only serves to make the poster appear foolish.

My comment then is I hope that hosts/mods will do their part to make sure that Mafia is a safe environment for players, new or experienced. If we wanted to face personal attacks, we'd be laddering.

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hehe... Also, you said dick.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 08:44 GMT
#250
Well if I do hit a mafia with my guesses, I expect shit to get thrown in my face. It's either that or they try and blame someone else.

I feel really sorry for Glasse though, I think he has been unlucky with being the target a bit too often .
Bartundar
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 08:49 GMT
#251
Vote tally:

Aidnai - 6
Voters: Aeres, Barundar, RebirthOfLegend, ghrur, jcarlsoniv, noe

Coagulation - 2
Voters: orgolove, SouthRawrea

Fishball - 3
Voters: annul, Coagulation, aidnai,

RebirthOfLegend - 1
Voters: Fishball,

ghrur - 1
Voters: Pandain

orgolove - 1
Voters: kingjames27
RIP Aaliyah
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 09:32 GMT
#252
First: With RoL gone I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town.

Secondly I initially voted for Aidnai, because I saw a post which basically repeated itself "no town circles, no town circles" and "discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam, discuss don’t spam", which obviously is a contradiction in itself.

However my vote was by no means final, and I simply wanted his explanation. Instead we saw what I consider an attempt to blame fishball, and a ton of spam. This is what I consider the mafia panic response. If mafia had played it cool, my doubts would have been easily dismissed, and from what I can guess since he was weary as well, so would Aeres’. Aidnai’s defence came very late, and while it is decent, it came after the panic response.

Thirdly the only other person I could be convinced to vote for is Ghrur. His attacks on Deconduo seems unreasonable to me. I too got annoyed at Deconduo’s vote tally posting, and called him out on it, but he responded convincingly straight away. However Ghrur is not the target that is being launched as a second candidate. This is also a reason for me to stick to Aidnai.

Lastly I’m really sorry for voting for you Aidnai, I know how frustrating it is to get thrown out early, and I honestly wouldn’t have voted for you if RoL hadn’t spotted that post.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 01 2010 09:34 GMT
#253
EBWODP: Actually I could be convinced to vote SouthRawrea aswell.
Bartundar
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 01 2010 13:17 GMT
#254
On December 01 2010 16:12 kingjames01 wrote:
I had a plan to try and fill out our list, but I just asked DrH about it via PM and he said that my plan is too close to roleclaiming to be legal. Basically, my plan was for us to say whether or not our clue was in the list and if the guess about our role was correct or not. We would not say which clue nor would we be revealing what our actual role was. This was an attempt to reduce the amount of possible defenses that the mafia could try to use and also flesh out our list of roles.

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On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote:
Sighhh


The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc.


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On December 01 2010 15:39 orgolove wrote:
I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important.


I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay.

If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned.


How bout this KJ:


On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.

And i think that is a hint for every role.

GG GL HF (I'm rooting for mafia and certain roles to do well, suck it town!)


I believe "The system is corrupt" was a clue. Dr.H then said (or at least meant to say) "I think I have given a clue for each role. This being a clue would certainly explain orgo.
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 01 2010 13:37 GMT
#255
You are taking this way too far ghrur, and you are either being blindly stupid or scummy.

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On December 01 2010 11:54 ghrur wrote:
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On December 01 2010 10:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
RoL, your points make sense to me, and I would like to find out if these are indeed scum tells.

## Unvote Coag
## Vote Aidnai


On December 01 2010 07:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Aidnai is the best candidate right now if not for any other reason than because I said so.


Really necessary though?

To address ghrur:

Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics

I am currently in 3 games of mafia, in the last 3 weeks of my college semester, and I am a varsity athlete, so excuse me if people post things that I agree with before I can post them. Speculative topics are just that, completely speculative, and I believe a lot of the speculation that has been made is correct, so I agree with it.

Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly

This is because in Salem, I know facts. In Sengoku, I know facts. I can be confident about the facts I know, and can convey this confidence. This is a game that has just started and everyone is just speculating. I cannot be sure if any of my speculations are correct, so I don't post them in a definite manner.



Okay, I'm good with that.

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On December 01 2010 08:51 deconduo wrote:
On December 01 2010 08:03 ghrur wrote:
On December 01 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
##Vote Ghrur

Ghrur basically hasn't been contributing at all, yet mantains the illusion of such a thing. Very mafia tell imo. Furthormore tells everyone to contribute and scum hunt yet doesn't do it himself, contradiction.

His posts:

On November 30 2010 07:39 ghrur wrote:
I'm assuming PMs are allowed right?

rules

I know, I know.

On November 30 2010 07:53 ghrur wrote:
Op, so PMs aren't allowed. Darn.
WELL... that kinda throws a wrench in my plans.

Okay?

On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)

Well, might as well be bold.

##Vote RebirthofLegend


This I don't like. First of all, note he voted RoL because he hasn't posted. Yet even though he's posted alot now, he hasn't changed. That is VERY suspicious in my eyes. Furthormore, he does what mafia like to do, which is "contributing without really contributing." He tells everyone to say who they think is scum, and doesn't do it himself. Mafia love to do this,have town be the heads of each lynch, while staying in the shadows themselves. Makes it much easier to put blame on someone later.

How doesn't it contribute if it helps pressure people and get them to post and vote? Also, is there something inherently scummy about voting for pressure?

On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


Again, pushes for decon to help without helping himself. Going further, lays accusations on a player for a very weak reason. Mafia does this ALOT. They try to always make players seem suspicious for any single post. Decon says we should rush to day 2? Ghrur lays suspicion on him. This post does nothing except suggest decon is mafia, without even doing that.

Will post my reasons for suspecting Decond later on in this post

On November 30 2010 11:42 ghrur wrote:
On November 30 2010 10:17 deconduo wrote:
On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


I was mostly kidding <3


Seems more like we switched alignments. >_>

What? Ghrur explain this.


Sure, I'll explain.
Here's my thoughts on Decond so far.
I was going to post this, but I thought I'd rather have him just post some more, and see if I could get off some more analysis and see what some pressure will do.

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Alright, RoL posted.
##Unvote RebirthOfLegend

Hmm, I don't disagree with Aidnai right now, but I'm looking more at decond due to his one line posts, his useless vote tally of who voted who, and his seemingly *townie* idea of role claiming.

Of course, it's day one, so nothings for sure yet, but why do we need a tally of who voted who when 1/2 the game's inactive? The votes aren't even deciding right now. All it does is make him seem useful to town when it really serves no purpose. Then, while it may seem townie to "role claim," it's actually more beneficial to mafia in such a set up. We don't know the roles; they do. We don't know who's blue and who's red; they do. They can easily fake a role like Pandain did in Insane with "Trash Collector" or something and disrupt us. In fact, that's EXACTLY what you would expect mafia to do because we get the least information Day 1 making fake role claims the easiest to get away with. I mean, what else have we gotten aside from Dr. H's "clues?" Nothing. So, I say seemingly townie, actually red for Decond.

Other Decond Stuff:
Doesn't wanna vote
"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.
Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?


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Aidnai:
Post without much information
Against "spamming" - trying to limit discussion?
Not really discussing, asking others to discuss
Against town circle
Asking much more questions than in Salem Mafia
Pressures people as townie, like Artanis and Radfield, yet backs out of pressuring me really quickly. Not committed

Jcarlsoniv:
All he does is agree with people on speculative topics
Asking questions, seems unsure. Answer them yourself man.
Doesn't even give off any possible information
Scum play
So unsure of himself, "That's possible. I'm not sure he would give someone two roles though? Not sure"
Very unlike his assertive self in Salem, he hardly EVER uses "I think" or "Possibly" or "just a guess" etc
Even in Sengoku, states his opinions strongly


Oh look, I'm being accused of posting mostly one liners and useless information. Lets have a look at 'useful' posts by ghrur up to this point:

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On November 30 2010 08:39 ghrur wrote:
I'd suggest we just pressure people through voting and discuss our opinions on who looks suspicious or not. Also, having a plan for town to organize around is NEVER bad. I mean, if we can get a town circle, all the better right? Let's see, so far those who haven't posted:
Barundar
RoL
Jcarlsoniv
annul
Pandain (wut?)

Well, might as well be bold.

##Vote RebirthofLegend



Suggests pressuring people through voting and votes for a lurker, just AFTER I write:

On November 30 2010 08:33 deconduo wrote:

Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond?


So basically repeated what I had just said, using more words. Suggests a town circle in a game with no PMs.


You're right. That was indeed a pretty useless post except that I voted for someone and they did help contribute afterwards. I'm not gonna deny it though, it was a worthless post aside from the vote. I maintain that it's just general day 1 chat though. =/

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On November 30 2010 09:59 ghrur wrote:
Why would we want to do that? Dr. H is basically giving us unlimited time to get a GOOD lynch in, and you want to rush it? Why? I think we can hit a mafia day 1 giving our low player pool if we really try. Cmon Decond, I KNOW you have mafia sniping skills. ^_^


Takes a dig at me when I posted a jokey post.

The end.




Next, regular vote counts are really important in a majority lynch game, by losing count someone can get lynched a lot easier than you'd think. ESPECIALLY as there are probably vote manipulation roles.


Why is it not done by ANYONE except caller in sengoku then? That too is a majority lynch game. Still, I suppose you're right on this one. I've never played a majority vote game like this one before where day ends once we get a majority, so I'll concede the point. However, I wasn't taking a dig at you. I was complimenting you. I'm sorry if it sounded like a dig.

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Other points:

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Doesn't wanna vote

Voting in a majority lynch game is not to be taken lightly. I could go to bed and wake up with someone dead that I didn't want dead.


Why is this specific to majority lynch games? It could happen for all mafia games, especially those with a close vote and time-based days. You voted relatively early on in Salem, and then even experimented with Kenpachi near the end. You could've killed him when you woke up too with the deadline if you weren't watching.

Except not. I know exactly when the day would end in salem. I know that if I go to sleep, there will still be x hours left when I wake up to read over what has happened, and to change my vote. In this game, the day can end at ANY time. With so few players, each vote is vital, and not to be fucked around with. It takes only 5 townies to be wrong to lynch a townie (+3 maf) and this will get worse as the game goes on. If I place a vote frivolously then it only takes 4. With possibly vote manip roles, that could be down to 3 or 2. While this is somewhat unreasonable, its still a possibility.

Furthermore, why're you afraid to vote on Day 1 when it was early in the game? You said,
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Pick a lurker, put pressure on and see how they respond?
Guess what? YOU NEVER DID THAT. Interesting contradiction huh? Scum much?

Pressure does not mean voting. Also read down.

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"This is just a theory based on how the lovers role works in general games"
" its possible..."
Very defensive, scared play.

We have no roles list, theorizing is all we can do. I'm hardly going to say YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THAT CLUE THAT POINTS TO THAT ROLE WORKS


That doesn't make it any less wishy-washy. Guess what heuristic Ver used in his Mafia XXX write up to help determine mafia? Wishy-washiness. Furthermore, you're exaggerating my argument. I never stated in any way that you had to know what the roles do or anything. I'm just saying you're being way too non-assertive about your theories, like you don't want to put them out there.

So please, almighty scholar, tell me how to give a suggestion on how the clues work without using the words possibly/maybe/could/theory/assumption/implies/probably etc. I'd loooooooove to hear it. Oh also, please show me where you contributed by helping analyse the clues.

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Posting a lot of useless information like reiterating the vote count or reiterating the clues. I think we can read, ya?

Much more useful information than you have posted.


Except... it wasn't. It was equally useless in my eyes.

So you admit you haven't contributed, and yet are trying to make a case for someone being mafia because they haven't contributed.

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The roleclaim thing? You'll see tomorrow if I'm alive. Can't say anything about it obviously.



I'll take your word on that. If not though, I hope you understand that it'll be a HUGE FoS on you. In fact, a palm of suspicion.

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Basically you are trying to make a case where there is none to be made.

FoS ghrur


Too bad, I'm just hunting scum. If I need to be aggressive, which I've found out that I do, then I'll do it. Also, I'm not scum. I'm blue. ^_^

No, a case is definitely to be made here. Notice this. Throughout this WHOLE post accusing me, not once has he denied that he is INDEED mafia! Furthermore, he doesn't disagree with the fact that he has posted one liners, he just says I don't contribute. Also, [b]note the interesting contradiction about him and putting pressure on lurkers. Interesting how he doesn't follow his own advice, no? Couple that with this idea:

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This is the type of gem to look for!! Note the blatant contradiction in logic, the excuse of adhering to some mysterious 'principle' despite saying specifically how good of a candidate YM is.


Guess what, that was by Ver. Notice the similarities yet? He says put pressure on a lurker and see how they respond. HE DOESN'T DO IT. Why? Because of the principle "Voting must be taken seriously."... but it's day 1? And he was still active during that time?

Finally, notice once more, he says we don't know what roles there are. I agree with that. However, that only supports my point that a "roleclaim" by a mafia member would only be beneficial to them because THEY have the information, THEY can make up any role (like pandain did), and THEY can lead us astray. It only helps them to roleclaim so early when we have little to no information and confuse us. Decond never disagrees with this. Sorry decond, despite your attacks, the contradictions are there. I understand I haven't been helpful yet to you, town, especially not to pandain's standards, but I'm trying here. Just look at these contradictions. Those aren't made up, they're staring you in the face. Suspect Decond.

Once again, made up case where there is none. Where have I contradicted myself? I suggested to put pressure on lurkers, but hey, what lurkers? There are these things called timezones. Voting someone when they are asleep doesn't do anything. Not posting in 24 hours is lurking, but that didn't happen for anyone. We don't really have any lurkers, as everyone has either posted sufficiently or been switched out.

YOU have no idea what my role is. I decided that it helps town to know my role rather than have it hidden, and YOU can't say otherwise.





I don't know why you've decided to try and push on me, but its certainly a big change from how you acted in salem. This leads me to believe you are just trying too hard and failing rather than being mafia. You've got the wrong person, get over it.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 01 2010 13:41 GMT
#256
Oh, and hurr durr I deny being mafia.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 01 2010 14:34 GMT
#257
doch mafia games make me rage so bad.
YOU CAN TAKE YOUR ROLE RIDDLES AND KICK ROCKS BUDDY.
he already said hes rooting for scum victory. nothing he says can be trusted by town.
##vote DoctorHelvetica
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2010 15:37 GMT
#258
Alright I decided to actually play instead of just leaving. With RoL gone, perhaps I can actually convince you that aidnai has nothing on him.

Again, someone post why aidnai is scum. I have not seen a single good reason. A SINGLE GOOD REASON why we should lynch him. And he already has 6 votes on him.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
December 01 2010 16:07 GMT
#259
13 is zombie not brain surgeon. I don't want to discuss blues because they aren't important. What is important is finding scum. Now stop discussing them.
##Vote: kingjames01
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 01 2010 16:10 GMT
#260
why are you voteing kingjames???
no one has voted him yet
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