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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:57 rastaban wrote: Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments. I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP. Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia. Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out. This has finally convinced me I will vote for Pandain. If he isn't mafia then at least we get a lot of information. If pandain turns red then the next vote will be about rasta imo. The case against Panda according to me. 1. He pushed for the execution of bum 2. He has not launched any plans which he usually does. 3. The clues could be pointing at him. 4. The assumption that the panda role where mafia. 5. The PMs to caller about the roles I also have to stress that if we don't reach a majority someone needs to make an accusation. I think that Xelin is still a good choice. | ||
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:18 lakrismamma wrote: This has finally convinced me I will vote for Pandain. If he isn't mafia then at least we get a lot of information. If pandain turns red then the next vote will be about rasta imo. The case against Panda according to me. 1. He pushed for the execution of bum 2. He has not launched any plans which he usually does. 3. The clues could be pointing at him. 4. The assumption that the panda role where mafia. 5. The PMs to caller about the roles I also have to stress that if we don't reach a majority someone needs to make an accusation. I think that Xelin is still a good choice. Interesting, but I'll adress each one. 1.He pushed for the execution of bum. Along with 5-6 other people. As Decblahblah has said, Bum was rightly lynched. Uncharacteristic play, useless(read:anti town) and just...scummy. 2.He has not launched any plans when he usually does. I've said this before, I have not launched any plans because it is impossible to launch plans in this set up. Hidden roles, and with an NVKD dead means any potential plan is ruined. Think about it, all my plans revolved around roles doing certain stuff. If we have no roles, what does that mean? No plans. Trust me, I would love to have a plan. 3.The clues could be pointing at him. COULD. That's the most important thing. Furthormore, the clue is vauge at best, as well as any links to me by it. Think about it, I WOULD NEVER KILL SR. He was my SFA member. Even if I was mafia and had a kp, never in a million years would I kill him. Has there even been anyone trying to find anyone else who that clue could be related to? No, because everyone is stuck blind on me while the mafia can sit back and let town mislynch one after another. 4.The assumption that the panda role where mafia. What else could it be? Everyone was assuming I was SK, so I thought they were saying I was the Hungry Panda replacing a SK. In addition, if I was a town Hungry Panda, I would never shoot South(SFA for life), and would'n't have shot so early. If I was SK, I would've claimed by now, and in addition this setup would be imo unbalanced. The only thing that's possible for people to be accusing me is mafia hungry panda, but even then that would be slightly imbalanced. We'll have to see whether there are 3 kills again though before I can comment furthor on this with certainty. But seriously, a panda role? 5.The PM to caller about the roles. Already discussed, and even Rastaban dismissed that. Nothing, guys, you are accusing me out of rampant speculation. In this situation we are in now we can NOT win as a town doing that. Anything else? | ||
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lakrismamma
Sweden543 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 08 2010 05:31 lakrismamma wrote: Ok maybe im beeing easily pursuaded but I will unvote. I'm not saying don't accuse me. Scum hunting is the basis of mafia. But I'm asking people to use reason. If anyone has a good case, say it, and I will refute it with the certainty only a townie can have. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
##accuse Zeks 1 post in the entire game.  | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On September 08 2010 06:04 Pandain wrote: I dont know if we should accuse zeks. I mean, if he's only made 1 post he's going to be modkilled soon. Well, he could be voting behind the scenes if he was scum but i still don't know that we need to transition so quickly. Also we need to be careful because we know so little. Right now we are at 11 players. For this demonstration I am assuming 3 Mafia with 2 KP and a 1 time Night kill 11 -1 (say are lynch now is innocent) --- 10 - 2 --- 8 - 1 -> This is LYLO --- 7 -2 --- 5 with mafia at 3 to our 2. So basically we have to get a mafia this lynch or tomorrows. Now we might (probably) have night roles but as it is right now we know our investigator died so we can't be sure. We really have to use the the extra lynches to our advantage but with so many not speaking up we are in bad shape. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
i am still trying to learn how this game works, sort of busy lately moving in and out to university sorry for inactiveness shouldn't of signed up - my bad. i've been on the bandwagon for each lynch for all your information. I'm still trying to know whats going on...lol I know I'm rarely inactive in a mafia game - most of you can attest to my activity in pyp and the other games...whether this is a scumtell or w/e up to you guys | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
1.Let the day go by(no lynch). I dont like this, no pressure on mafia, they might not even have to talk. In addition, the risk of deaths during the next night are enough to outweigh the possibility of a mislynch. 2.Lynch Inactives I like this, forces mafia to become more active, gets people talking in this dire situation. Makes mafia unable to just hide in the shadows and let the townies die off by lynching each other. In addition inactives are at best useless and usually uninformed. I would suggest lynching zeks, then moving on to possibly xelin. 3.Lynch around the Rosie Due to NKVD dying and 3 kills last night, we might want to just start lynching every scummy person we can. However, I am personally against this right now because it may result in just us losing a bunch of townies. Its basically a matter of luck, and no more. Unfortunately, that may be all we have anyway. 4.Something else. Ideas? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
1) I'll explain below 2) Extend it 12 hours. Reason 1: Bill Murray's death post On September 07 2010 07:22 Caller wrote: Bill Murray the NKVD are dead. Bill Murray is the DT On September 07 2010 07:30 ~OpZ~ wrote: Also...I would like to note that Bill Murray attacked Rastabans plan, during the night phase. He was NKVD, meaning he had his knowledge before the end of night (if Caller is still playing like every other game he hosts with DT/NKVD -_____-). Whom did he investigate. Possibly Rastaban. I will proceed to look at the rest of his posts now. The DT gets his knowlege before the night ends On September 07 2010 10:28 Bill Murray wrote: I did my best for my glorious country I hope you all have a fun game Bill Murray seems to indicate that he left us some clues On September 06 2010 13:31 Bill Murray wrote: I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ Bill Murray's clue that he left us Reason 2: Overzelousness Pandian is bloodthirsty. He pushes us to kill Bum, not because Bum is acting scummy, his main reason is that we have to kill someone. And Bum is the most inactive. Pandian actively pushed the kill, playing a large PM game. I am sickened that you all followed Pandian's bloodthirstyness, we must end his regime once and for all. Reason 3: Immitation of Bum On September 05 2010 01:58 Pandain wrote: Pandain remembered that day. After the Russian revolution of 1919 in which he lost his arms, legs, and vocal organs, he moved to the tiny island of Henbechto to live his final days in peace. Unfortunately, it turned out that American Capitalists had been working on an evil life-preserving study, and had captured Pandain and forced him to live! For 30 years Pandain stood like that, alone, frozen, in the cryogenic freezer of EVIL He watched as they studied him, they prodded him. He watched as they heard news of the end of WW2 and packed their bags for fear of being discovered by the Japenese. He watched as he stood alone, frozen, unable to speak, move, where his own thoughts were the things that led him to virtual insanity. For 20 more years Pandain stood alone, frozen. And after so long...he began to accept it. He began to enjoy the solititude. The scientists had left one bit of mercy: A power battery sustaining him that would run out in 1 more year. He only had to wait... and then this life would be over One more year passed, and as he watched the clock tick to one more month, 14 Soviet troops stormed in and recharged the battery. They took him out and fixed him up. Pandain screamed "No! No! I want to die!" But then they put a gigantic Brainwasher 2000 to his head and Pandain learned something: Soviet Russia was best Russia! All hail to the Motherland! Off to do their duty! It looks like Pandian is trying to imitate Bum last game in the PyP game. In case you haven't read that game, basically Bum was watcher, and was able to not be suspected/killed because he made entertaining posts. So I’m reading either Blue Role or Capitalist right now, thinking that Pandian is trying desperately to survive Reason 4) Pro mafia plans On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote: So here's what I say we do: We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n). Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night. Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles. This is an extremely mafia idea, Pandain wants us just to sit around waiting. This is always really bad relying soley on one person who may or may not be alive/in-existance. Pandain then changes his plan to "lets kill all inactives". Good idea, but most of the time, (ie 99% of the time) inactive are greens that don't feel the motivation to post because their role isn't 'cool'. It's good for the mafia as all the mafia has to do is stay active, and boom, a whole bunch of day kills go off ##Accusation: Pandian | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
For BM: On September 08 2010 07:40 LSB wrote: Bill Murray seems to indicate that he left us some clues How the heck does that indicate he left a clue? In addition, he would be banned if he tried to leave a clue as that is illegal. Obviously it is just a sentence saying he tried his best and hope you have fun. This is speculation at its worst. On September 08 2010 07:40 LSB wrote: Reason 2: Overzelousness Pandian is bloodthirsty. He pushes us to kill Bum, not because Bum is acting scummy, his main reason is that we have to kill someone. And Bum is the most inactive. Pandian actively pushed the kill, playing a large PM game. I am sickened that you all followed Pandian's bloodthirstyness, we must end his regime once and for all. By constantly repeating I'm bloodthirsty does not make it so. If you were paying attention, I have said I voted for Bum because he acted scummy. Other players also commented on that, even after he died and was revealed. Of course one reason was Bum was partly inactive, but add that to the many other reasons. You know I like to push people who I think are mafia. Take my first game, mafia xxIII, I accused Chaoser and kept on pounding him because I truly believed he was mafia. Will you say that's not to be done? Finally, one reason I admit was we had to lynch someone. And Bum was the most suspicious. Face it, if we didn't lynch anyone mafia would get off free. Unless you're saying that would be preferred, that point is moot. On September 08 2010 07:40 LSB wrote: It looks like Pandian is trying to imitate Bum last game in the PyP game. In case you haven't read that game, basically Bum was watcher, and was able to not be suspected/killed because he made entertaining posts. So I’m reading either Blue Role or Capitalist right now, thinking that Pandian is trying desperately to survive Definitely. I mean, in no way would I write that story because I wanted to have fun, or that this was a theme game, or that other people were writing stories. I did it for the sole purporse of hoping I wouldn't be suspected/killed. Definitely. + Show Spoiler + Seriously? On September 08 2010 07:40 LSB wrote: Reason 4) Pro mafia plans This is an extremely mafia idea, Pandain wants us just to sit around waiting. This is always really bad relying soley on one person who may or may not be alive/in-existance. Pandain then changes his plan to "lets kill all inactives". Good idea, but most of the time, (ie 99% of the time) inactive are greens that don't feel the motivation to post because their role isn't 'cool'. It's good for the mafia as all the mafia has to do is stay active, and boom, a whole bunch of day kills go off ##Accusation: Pandian Extremely misleading. That post was way back, when I was misled by a pm from caller. I later PMed him again and realized the plan wouldn't work. You can tell that that was a pro town plan in mind because it says it based around the fact I thought mafia didn't have kp. If I was mafia and proposing that plan, it wouldn't be based around that. Quoting that post way out of context doesn't help your case. And we're still deciding our plan. I do think we shoudl go after inactives for reasons stated above. As you say, its a good idea. And I would say most mafia are the inactives, and that mafia in this setup would be best just laying low and letting us lynch each other. We need to root out the mafia hiding in the shadows. We WANT the mafia to stay active. We want them talking as much as possible, so that we can analyze more and have more information, in addition to them possibly slipping up. Of course, I'm still waiting for feedback. Anything else? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
And yes my vote is fully behind all of your evidence. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On September 08 2010 07:55 Pandain wrote: Finally, one reason I admit was we had to lynch someone. And Bum was the most suspicious. Face it, if we didn't lynch anyone mafia would get off free. Unless you're saying that would be preferred, that point is moot. Did you just say what I think you said???? Killing a town is better than not killing one?????? Any thoughts of your innocence has now disappeared completely from my mind. I regret that I could not defend Bum enough. And you satisfied that you've killed him??? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
In a nutshell (awnser's to pandian) 1) BM didn't express regret and posting hints after his death is something I'd expect BM to do 2) Explain this pm to me then Pandian You mean he could've claimed he was afk when we ordered him to? that would just be suscipsious. Regardless, my point stands about it being wifom. I'm unsure whether to lynch Bum, but with 3 deaths in the FIRST NIGHT, we have to lynch someone. At the very least, he's been useless and has been showing scum tendencies. 3) It is not an argument by itself, but taken holistically it supports that you are red. 4) Let's look at your plan We lynch all the inactives. How many mafia did we kill? 0. Because like you said, they will start talking and not being inactive How many town did we kill? A lot What did we kill them for? So the mafia can deceive us. <sarcasm>Great plan! (^.^)b </sarcasm> | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 08 2010 08:47 LSB wrote: Does a double take Did you just say what I think you said???? Killing a town is better than not killing one?????? Any thoughts of your innocence has now disappeared completely from my mind. I regret that I could not defend Bum enough. And you satisfied that you've killed him??? facepalms. Killing a town is better than not lynching. It forces mafia to take sides and helps to make them not stay back in the shadows while we kill each other. On September 08 2010 09:04 LSB wrote: All right my post before the edit: (Sorry guys) In a nutshell (awnser's to pandian) 1) BM didn't express regret and posting hints after his death is something I'd expect BM to do 2) Explain this pm to me then Pandian 3) It is not an argument by itself, but taken holistically it supports that you are red. 4) Let's look at your plan We lynch all the inactives. How many mafia did we kill? 0. Because like you said, they will start talking and not being inactive How many town did we kill? A lot What did we kill them for? So the mafia can deceive us. <sarcasm>Great plan! (^.^)b </sarcasm> 1.What the frick is this argument? This is the worst argument ever. "Oh, BM didn't express regret" IN HIS TWO SENTENCES so that OBVIOUSLY means that he had a plan and was trying to lead you guys in on a giant conspiracy. Makes perfect sense. 2. So? That's my reasoning. What about it. 3.So useless. 4.Way to take my plan to the extreme. We might get an inactive. You totally are manipulating this to your own means. | ||
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