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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#261
On September 08 2010 04:03 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh look i died. I hope mafia wins.


If they lynch me they probably will.
Use reason, people. Not rampant blind speculation, which truly is all that's been thrown against me.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 07 2010 19:09 GMT
#262
On September 08 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 04:02 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am voting for Pandain lynch. He just slipped up in PM conversation with me and I am sure he is SK.

at least 2 kp
1 mafia
1 hungry panda
seriously, looking two much into this.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
You yourself said on that post that when conceptualizing The Hungry Panda that it will be only be able to use it's ability one time. Where did the at least 2 KP come from? It only makes sense if you think the role can make a kill every night. I am now completely sure you are SK who slipped up.

gg

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
with what?

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Original Message:
I'm sorry, but I am going to have to come forward with this.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
Well? What do you think about me?

Still don't see how ANYONE could think Caller would just put in The Hungry Panda at the last second. If he did put it in there like I described it, then there would be at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.

THAT IS NOT BALANCED!


SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS
*takes a deep breath*

THIS is what I call not logical.
1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda
1 kp from mafia
1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths

Panda Smack down has been delivered.


I think it is a 1 off ability, if he really could hit every night 3 KP would be crazy! of course there could be an SK but I think it would be more likely that his KP would be one of the 2 that occurred at day break. This seemed more like a one shot ability than something that could be repetitively used.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 19:11 GMT
#263
How can you people honestly vote me because of this?

You're voting me because maybe Caller put in at the last second a ridiculous role? And also rastaban, according to my theoretical descrption, it was one kill a night.

In addition, I would like to remind people I would never kill SR.

Please everyone think about this for a second. You're accusing me of being a role that simply could not, and does not exist.
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
September 07 2010 19:13 GMT
#264
On September 08 2010 04:09 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:
On September 08 2010 04:02 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am voting for Pandain lynch. He just slipped up in PM conversation with me and I am sure he is SK.

at least 2 kp
1 mafia
1 hungry panda
seriously, looking two much into this.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
You yourself said on that post that when conceptualizing The Hungry Panda that it will be only be able to use it's ability one time. Where did the at least 2 KP come from? It only makes sense if you think the role can make a kill every night. I am now completely sure you are SK who slipped up.

gg

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
with what?

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
I'm sorry, but I am going to have to come forward with this.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
Well? What do you think about me?

Still don't see how ANYONE could think Caller would just put in The Hungry Panda at the last second. If he did put it in there like I described it, then there would be at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.

THAT IS NOT BALANCED!


SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS
*takes a deep breath*

THIS is what I call not logical.
1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda
1 kp from mafia
1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths

Panda Smack down has been delivered.


I think it is a 1 off ability, if he really could hit every night 3 KP would be crazy! of course there could be an SK but I think it would be more likely that his KP would be one of the 2 that occurred at day break. This seemed more like a one shot ability than something that could be repetitively used.


If it's a one shot then why hasn't the person come forward?

I'm not voting for Pandain, even if he is SK we need to kill mafia and not SK. Not sure why you guys are pushing this so hard all of a sudden.

And Hesmyrr, i think Pandain sent that PM to everybody.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 07 2010 19:19 GMT
#265
On September 08 2010 04:11 Pandain wrote:
How can you people honestly vote me because of this?

You're voting me because maybe Caller put in at the last second a ridiculous role? And also rastaban, according to my theoretical descrption, it was one kill a night.

In addition, I would like to remind people I would never kill SR.

Please everyone think about this for a second. You're accusing me of being a role that simply could not, and does not exist.



I am not saying you have that role, but it would be too funny if you did. I originally thought you were just straight up mafia, but now it seems you could be more or different. The panda bear role fitting perfectly was only something I found after I was convinced you were scum.

Also, saying that role was suggested at the last second is a little bit of a deception. Check the dates, you requested the role 5 days before the game started, he also received 2 additional sign ups to the game after he had enough. He certainly had the time and players to balance it if he needed to.

An SK makes the crazy amount of night KP a little more believable since otherwise night time is going to be murder for the town.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 19:20 GMT
#266
So, is that the jist of why people want to lynch me?
Because I did the ##Trial (NOT even the accusation) and voted for him in addition with 6 other people or so?

Or that I may be a mysterious new role that Caller included at the last second which in addition to being ridiculous would seriously unbalance the game?

Please, let's start moving on and thinking about what to do.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 19:22 GMT
#267
On September 08 2010 04:19 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 04:11 Pandain wrote:
How can you people honestly vote me because of this?

You're voting me because maybe Caller put in at the last second a ridiculous role? And also rastaban, according to my theoretical descrption, it was one kill a night.

In addition, I would like to remind people I would never kill SR.

Please everyone think about this for a second. You're accusing me of being a role that simply could not, and does not exist.



I am not saying you have that role, but it would be too funny if you did. I originally thought you were just straight up mafia, but now it seems you could be more or different. The panda bear role fitting perfectly was only something I found after I was convinced you were scum.

Also, saying that role was suggested at the last second is a little bit of a deception. Check the dates, you requested the role 5 days before the game started, he also received 2 additional sign ups to the game after he had enough. He certainly had the time and players to balance it if he needed to.

An SK makes the crazy amount of night KP a little more believable since otherwise night time is going to be murder for the town.


Hmmm... post wise it seemed last second. Regardless, if you don't think I'm that then its moot, yes?

But moving on, why do you think im mafia.

Because I followed Radfield's suscipsion and voted for Bum in addition to ~6/5 other people?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 07 2010 19:24 GMT
#268
Honestly, bumatlarge deserved to be lynched. He played badly, acted scummily and didn't defend himself properly at all.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 07 2010 19:27 GMT
#269
And I do think we might be a bit too hasty with this Panda lynch. I'm going to change my vote back to no, and we cant talk about this a bit more.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 07 2010 19:28 GMT
#270
SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS
*takes a deep breath*

THIS is what I call not logical.
1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda
1 kp from mafia
1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths

Panda Smack down has been delivered.


I don't see what you are specifically arguing down here. 3 KP obviously occured last night so that's a null point. Also there is several major points I wish to bring up.

On August 31 2010 02:26 Pandain wrote:
Can you include a role called The Hungry Panda, and you have the ability to eat a person during the night, but can only use the ability once.
Or am I reaching too high for the skies here?

You are making two assumptions that go against this initial point. First, why the hell are you assuming that Hungry Panda is anti-town? I thought of Vigilante immediately when I read this post (look at the blued-out part about ability) and clearly for balance reasons it makes sense for there to be Town KP role. The way you clump Hungry Panda with anti-town KP makes me believe that you were pretty certain about what the alignment of the role is.

Secondly you believe mafia faction has 1 KP, then statement there "at least will be two kills per night" makes no sense at all unless you assume there are another person with KP that can be used every night- Serial Killer. In fact why do you think mafia has 1 KP in first place while we all agree mafia likely has 2 KP? It makes sense if you were the one who contributed to one of those three KP, since knowing there were 2 KP (1 KP was from you) would definitely increase the likelihood of you believing that there might be another role that got his KP off with 1 KP, instead of vanilla officer who only sees 3 KP (in which case for mafia to have 1 KP it must be two separate KP roles that used their abilities simultaneously).

The argument Caller wouldn't just put a KP role in is strongly suspect because Caller just could have changed the name of SK (or Vigilante) to Hungry Panda for lols.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 07 2010 19:31 GMT
#271
On September 08 2010 04:13 Infundibulum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 04:09 rastaban wrote:
On September 08 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:
On September 08 2010 04:02 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am voting for Pandain lynch. He just slipped up in PM conversation with me and I am sure he is SK.

at least 2 kp
1 mafia
1 hungry panda
seriously, looking two much into this.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
You yourself said on that post that when conceptualizing The Hungry Panda that it will be only be able to use it's ability one time. Where did the at least 2 KP come from? It only makes sense if you think the role can make a kill every night. I am now completely sure you are SK who slipped up.

gg

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
with what?

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
I'm sorry, but I am going to have to come forward with this.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
Well? What do you think about me?

Still don't see how ANYONE could think Caller would just put in The Hungry Panda at the last second. If he did put it in there like I described it, then there would be at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.

THAT IS NOT BALANCED!


SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS
*takes a deep breath*

THIS is what I call not logical.
1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda
1 kp from mafia
1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths

Panda Smack down has been delivered.


I think it is a 1 off ability, if he really could hit every night 3 KP would be crazy! of course there could be an SK but I think it would be more likely that his KP would be one of the 2 that occurred at day break. This seemed more like a one shot ability than something that could be repetitively used.


If it's a one shot then why hasn't the person come forward?

I'm not voting for Pandain, even if he is SK we need to kill mafia and not SK. Not sure why you guys are pushing this so hard all of a sudden.

And Hesmyrr, i think Pandain sent that PM to everybody.


This is actually interesting idea (using SK against mafia) but the thing is I don't think SK will cooperate with us anymore when all of us already know his role & his win condition eventually force him to go against the town. I would feel more comfortable with reducing a KP - especially when night is not going to be frequent with correct accusation sequences - but I am open to discussion, I guess.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 19:34 GMT
#272
On September 08 2010 04:28 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS
*takes a deep breath*

THIS is what I call not logical.
1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda
1 kp from mafia
1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths

Panda Smack down has been delivered.


I don't see what you are specifically arguing down here. 3 KP obviously occured last night so that's a null point. Also there is several major points I wish to bring up.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 02:26 Pandain wrote:
Can you include a role called The Hungry Panda, and you have the ability to eat a person during the night, but can only use the ability once.
Or am I reaching too high for the skies here?

You are making two assumptions that go against this initial point. First, why the hell are you assuming that Hungry Panda is anti-town? I thought of Vigilante immediately when I read this post (look at the blued-out part about ability) and clearly for balance reasons it makes sense for there to be Town KP role. The way you clump Hungry Panda with anti-town KP makes me believe that you were pretty certain about what the alignment of the role is.

Secondly you believe mafia faction has 1 KP, then statement there "at least will be two kills per night" makes no sense at all unless you assume there are another person with KP that can be used every night- Serial Killer. In fact why do you think mafia has 1 KP in first place while we all agree mafia likely has 2 KP? It makes sense if you were the one who contributed to one of those three KP, since knowing there were 2 KP (1 KP was from you) would definitely increase the likelihood of you believing that there might be another role that got his KP off with 1 KP, instead of vanilla officer who only sees 3 KP (in which case for mafia to have 1 KP it must be two separate KP roles that used their abilities simultaneously).

The argument Caller wouldn't just put a KP role in is strongly suspect because Caller just could have changed the name of SK (or Vigilante) to Hungry Panda for lols.


Still going along with this, eh? Alright, I'll play along.

Yes, for a fact mafia has a kp(or caller is insane and put in 3 kp roles non mafia)
Then you assumed I was Hungry Panda, which I pointed out (wrongly) added one additional kp per night. It seems now it can only be used once, but even if this was a third party, that would be a pretty lame role(one kill, and that's all you can do?) In addition, one kill per night would unbalance the game(especially with only 15 players.)

And if you've read, I said mafia has at LEAST one kp, and I later said they probably have one more. Go ahead and reread the pms, its right there.

You're either confused or pulling stuff out of your fadoodle man.


Any real concerns?
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 07 2010 19:40 GMT
#273
I am confused. My initial point was that you were the one who suggested the role in the first place, only being able to use your ability one time and all, and then on PM you get it wrong. Now you are arguing the role don't exist b/c it makes the game unbalanced either way?

I'll reread the PM though.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 07 2010 19:42 GMT
#274
I don't see the part where you specifically say the mafia at LEAST one kp. Can you quote me on that please?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 19:48 GMT
#275
On September 08 2010 04:42 Hesmyrr wrote:
I don't see the part where you specifically say the mafia at LEAST one kp. Can you quote me on that please?


at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.


So at least one from thereretical sk, and at least one from mafia.


Plus one extra from possible mafia kp.
I didn't SPECIFICALLY say, but its right there. Sorry if I didn't elaborate on every single part of what I wrote :p

Its okay, sorry I'm getting a bit mean/agressive.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 19:50 GMT
#276
On September 08 2010 04:40 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am confused. My initial point was that you were the one who suggested the role in the first place, only being able to use your ability one time and all, and then on PM you get it wrong. Now you are arguing the role don't exist b/c it makes the game unbalanced either way?

I'll reread the PM though.


What? Didn't get that at all lol.

I'm actually starting to think a SK might exist, based on pms with infun, but I am certainly not it(And there is no evidence that I am). Caller may have balanced it with infinite day lynches. Unsure......
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 19:53 GMT
#277
Plus I'd like people to keep in mind there are like only 5 people who have contributed the last 5 pages. I think we should keep in mind the other 5/6. :p
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 07 2010 19:57 GMT
#278
Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.

I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.

Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.

Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 07 2010 20:01 GMT
#279
On September 08 2010 04:57 rastaban wrote:
Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.

I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.

Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.

Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out.


Wtf? I never pmed caller about sk. I asked if mafia had their normal kp, then he misunderstood, then I asked again and he clarified.

Ask if mafia have a kp, you'll get a response.

So much rampant speculation....
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
September 07 2010 20:13 GMT
#280
On September 08 2010 04:57 rastaban wrote:
Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.

I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.

Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.

Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out.



Ok, this probably isn't correct then, I miss-understood what you were asking.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
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