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And Then There Were None
A Red Army Mafia Side-Story
Off the coast of the city of Liquidgrad lies a most interesting island. It is said to be right on the territorial border between Ukrainian and Soviet waters. While it was once inhabited, these days all that remains on that island are the remains of the capitalists that festered off of greed and their material belongings until they themselves died off their own sarin sin.
But then a small party of Red Army officers launched an expedition to the island, while their comrades were busy annexing liberating Kiev. What they hoped to find, and what came back-this is their story.
Caveat:
Do not trust anybody.
Rules:
As per usual, I will make them up as I go along.
There will be a 24 hour (at least) Day and a 24 hour Night cycle. Voting will take place by having a PM sent to me. Accusations will be made in the thread, with the phrase ##Accusation at the top. Accusations cannot be made at night. At night time, those with night actions may do their actions. People may talk at all times, unless they are dead or otherwise. Once again, I emphasize the importance of the Caveat.
Roles:
Red Army Officer: You are a normal Red Army Officer. You have been entrusted with the power of the People’s Commissariat to present the people’s judgment to those whom would dare defy the will of the Soviet Union. However, we will not allow executions to be carried out as capitalistically as in a previous incident. Thus, we introduce the logic system.
LOGIC SYSTEM:
An officer (as well as other roles) may accuse anybody of having committed crimes that endanger the people’s state. To do so, they must present a logical accusation of the crimes. 12 hours will pass for players to decide whether the judgment is valid. If the judgment is declared valid the criminal will be executed. On the other hand, if either a glaring error is discovered (namely, if more people oppose the judgment than support it) the judgment is ignored. More than one judgment may be pending at a time. Once all judgments and/or 24 hours have passed since the start of the day, it will shift to night phase.
NKVD Officer: You suspect of a traitor within the ranks. You may investigate one person of your choice each night, and have the powers of an officer. Your investigation will reveal the person’s level of material wealth.
The following roles may or may not be in the game:
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Signups Below Please:
1. ~OpZ~ NKVD
2. LSB
3. XeliN
4. Hesmyrr
5. Divinek Fraudster
6. bumatlarge Red Army Officer
7. Pandain Traitor
8. Infundibulum
9. Bill Murray NKVD
10. Deconduo
11. SouthRawrea Red Army Officer
12. Zeks
13. Lakrismamma Capitalist Vampire
14. Radfield Red Army Officer
15. Rastaban
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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/in /in /in
love the logic system although there could be loads going on at the same time
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/in
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA man, am I glad I got lynched :p
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase?
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On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase?
^_^
I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day.
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need more peoples 
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On August 28 2010 03:49 Caller wrote:need more peoples
How many people (minimum) does this setup need anyhow?
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/in
because tmm mafia looks like its not starting
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/in
Never see you on EM any more.
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On August 28 2010 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
/in
because tmm mafia looks like its not starting
/in
This and because it looks great for Soviet Union role play 
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Anyone taking bets on whether this game will actually manage to run successfully or smother to death like Caller Insanity Mafia?
Edit: Also, firebat. I am baller now.
Edit 2: lol I thought you were dead due to non-updated player list.
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On August 31 2010 00:12 Hesmyrr wrote:
Anyone taking bets on whether this game will actually manage to run successfully or smother to death like Caller Insanity Mafia?
Edit: Also, firebat. I am baller now.
depends whether people join or not
tt
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your games are incredibly confusing to follow lol
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Can you include a role called The Hungry Panda, and you have the ability to eat a person during the night, but can only use the ability once.
Or am I reaching too high for the skies here?
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maybe if you would indicate the amount of players you need, update the op with role/signups, etc.
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or just cut out the # of required players like I did XD
Not sure about updating the role-list; I mean, it's a Caller game, man!
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ok, well lets get like 50 signups really fast so I can play in this epicness
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I only need like 3-4 more people srsly
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If I had some influence, I might try to invite (a.k.a. drag) some people in, but unfortunately I don't =/
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is this one actually gonna start up for reals mr caller
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Enough Players have signed up. Signups close in 24 hours.
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more signups plz
get them while they're hot
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
/in
I have no idea how this is going to play out...
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Not sure if it is too late but if not /in
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Signups are now closed. Game Starts in 24 Hours. Also, roles will be issued then.
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"People may talk at all times, unless they are dead or otherwise. Once again, I emphasize the importance of the Caveat."
What do you mean by "Otherwise", I was a little confused.
Also will there be a separate voting thread, are PMs allowed?
If I make an accusation just before the 24 hour time line does the time get extended further or does the accusation end immediately.
inactivity, do we have to vote in each accusation, can we vote abstain, is there an amount of posts or votes required every day to avoid modkill?
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There are role in some mafia games that can stop people talking during a stage, usually day. Might refer to that.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Hurricane headed my way tomorrow. Could be without power for a while. If I don't post, that's why.
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Also will there be a separate voting thread, are PMs allowed?
Yes
If I make an accusation just before the 24 hour time line does the time get extended further or does the accusation end immediately.
Extension
inactivity, do we have to vote in each accusation, can we vote abstain, is there an amount of posts or votes required every day to avoid modkill?
You may abstain. I will modkill when I feel like it.
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if radfield has a hurricane we should use it as an excuse for a quick lynch imo
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Day 1
15 Little Soviets
![[image loading]](http://the8thcircle.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/insula_serpilor_map-by-bogdan-giusca.png)
What lies on the foreboding island? What mysteries will there be? Is the legend of capitalist evil on this island true? Or is it all an elaborate ruse? Or is there perhaps some darker evil that has yet to be found? This was the task of the landing party which arrived on the shores of Henbechto Island.
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YAY Time to cleanse and claim this island in the name of Russian bear!
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Pandain remembered that day. After the Russian revolution of 1919 in which he lost his arms, legs, and vocal organs, he moved to the tiny island of Henbechto to live his final days in peace. Unfortunately, it turned out that American Capitalists had been working on an evil life-preserving study, and had captured Pandain and forced him to live!
For 30 years Pandain stood like that, alone, frozen, in the cryogenic freezer of EVIL He watched as they studied him, they prodded him. He watched as they heard news of the end of WW2 and packed their bags for fear of being discovered by the Japenese. He watched as he stood alone, frozen, unable to speak, move, where his own thoughts were the things that led him to virtual insanity.
For 20 more years Pandain stood alone, frozen. And after so long...he began to accept it. He began to enjoy the solititude. The scientists had left one bit of mercy: A power battery sustaining him that would run out in 1 more year. He only had to wait... and then this life would be over
One more year passed, and as he watched the clock tick to one more month, 14 Soviet troops stormed in and recharged the battery. They took him out and fixed him up. Pandain screamed "No! No! I want to die!" But then they put a gigantic Brainwasher 2000 to his head and Pandain learned something: Soviet Russia was best Russia!
All hail to the Motherland! Off to do their duty!
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Journal Entry 1
This is my first voyage to an enemy country. I must admit that I am terrified of the thought of leaving Mother Russia with but 14 others. Their faces are all unfamiliar to me and I know not why I came here save for the prevalent rumours that capitalist scum were occupying this island. I will keep it a secret from my comrades but I had a nightmare last night which had me break my sleep abruptly. I dreamt of murderous intentions from my fellow Russian soldiers and cruel, ape-like creatures lurking on the island and spouting capitalist nonsense. Needless to say, I was unable to get back to sleep despite my best attempts to soothe myself. However I had discovered a feeling of nostalgia as I remembered wrestling bears in my youth. I hope that my nightmares soon fade and avoid actualizing themselves.
We arrive at the island now and I will put my pen and journal away as we shall commence exploration once we are off the boat organized. Long live the Soviet Mother!
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oshit now I have to write an epic story about the first post I made too. Btw, it is Russian bear, right? (not Russian boar). Time to get my non-existent literature skill cracking.
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Looking forward to this a lot As many lynches as we want in a day = awesome.
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On September 05 2010 02:42 Hesmyrr wrote:
oshit now I have to write an epic story about the first post I made too. Btw, it is Russian bear, right? (not Russian boar). Time to get my non-existent literature skill cracking.
It is my comrade. How does it come to be that you are not familiar with our mother's symbolic animal?
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Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades?
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On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades?
Agreed brother, quite suspicious indeed.
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##Accusation
Hesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks! He knows nothing of our traditions or believes. Kill him now my comrades, and drink his blood and show it to our glorious leader Stalin!
+ Show Spoiler +
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OOC: haha this reminds me of Inglorious Bastards when that guy put up three fingers but did it the non-German way
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:o I got it right the first time though. So argument void.
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This is fun, but an actual accusation is a bit much considering the votes are hidden.
FoS Pandain
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On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades?
On September 05 2010 02:59 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? Agreed brother, quite suspicious indeed.
On September 05 2010 03:01 Pandain wrote:##AccusationHesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks! He knows nothing of our traditions or believes. Kill him now my comrades, and drink his blood and show it to our glorious leader Stalin! + Show Spoiler +
I think we are being a little too hasty comrades! A death of a comrade is as harmful to Mother Russia as a death of an enemy is helpful. We should not turn upon each other just because we haven't found anything here yet! Control yourselves!
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On September 05 2010 03:06 deconduo wrote:
This is fun, but an actual accusation is a bit much considering the votes are hidden.
FoS Pandain
:O
True beans...true beans....
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On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades?
Comrade Hesmyrr must be one of those Estonians with an Uncle in the Party.
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On September 05 2010 05:41 Bill Murray wrote:
кто идет со мной?
Вы говорите смутно товарищ.
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On September 05 2010 05:57 SouthRawrea wrote:Вы говорите смутно товарищ.
Любое другое использование Google Translate для чтения?
This is getting annoying lol.
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Dear Comrades, let me affirm that I indeed was aware it had been Russian "bear", but in my patriotic fervor to reflect the stout, flawless and indomitable spirit of Soviet man had asked the question of bear and boar to the judgment of collective so that only the best quality of writing would be ensured!
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Both bears and boars are noble mighty animals, comrade. I do not judge you for your mistake, but question that perhaps the boat ride to this forsaken island has taken its toll on your sanity.
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Found our island in google earth. It is called snake island..
Could this have something to do with the snnake in the garden of eden? Aka Trotsky?
![[image loading]](http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/213911.jpg)
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On September 05 2010 03:06 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 02:59 deconduo wrote:On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? Agreed brother, quite suspicious indeed. Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 03:01 Pandain wrote:##AccusationHesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks! He knows nothing of our traditions or believes. Kill him now my comrades, and drink his blood and show it to our glorious leader Stalin! + Show Spoiler + I think we are being a little too hasty comrades! A death of a comrade is as harmful to Mother Russia as a death of an enemy is helpful. We should not turn upon each other just because we haven't found anything here yet! Control yourselves!
yes we must not jump to conclusions and be so hasty gentlemen. I for one am not in favour of comrade...or he is? Pandain's accusation. What motives does this man have
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Comrade, we have not jumped to conclusions. The peasant Hesmyrr is nothing to the glorious motherland. Comrade Stalin demands he suffer for his affront to Mother Russia!
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Comrades! I bring your attention to the black box-like thing sticking out of the water! Perhaps this is an enemy submarine! We must not quarrel amongst ourselves, we barely know each other do we not? Let me introduce my self I am Rawrea, a proud member of the Red Army.
Journal Entry 1B
Upon the start of our exploration, there was some uneasiness among my comrades. Pandain had perhaps jested, as I do not know of his intentions, that Hesmyrr was an American. He then began to make a formal accusation. I do not yet know of Pandain's rank within the Red Army and whether or not that was an ill-mannered joke but it has definitely created uneasiness within the small group. Just now, Comrade Divinek had hinted at Comrade Pandain trying to create disorder for his ulterior motives. I will be much more on my guard as I had been attempting to stop this nonsense as I now suspect that one of us may try and take advantage of this to fulfill their own agenda. It is not hard to imagine a traitor or American amongst us because although we are supposedly comrades, none of us know each other and the mission itself is most strange. Many possible scenarios run through my head at the moment such as the higher-ups sending us here to sort out those who they think are traitors in an isolated situation. I would've been informed unless they suspect me as well. I trail on, sorry. Regardless, I should leave my paranoia behind me unless a clear sign that there is a traitor in our midst appears to me. I shall write more as I feel the need to.
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so im kind of lost as to how we actually get anything going lol, especially only with 24 hour days. Though i guess we could keep extending it
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On September 05 2010 11:41 Divinek wrote:
so im kind of lost as to how we actually get anything going lol, especially only with 24 hour days. Though i guess we could keep extending it
Good, and here I thought I was the only one.
So we can PM each other, and we vote in private (missed that until I just re-read the rules).
Accusations extend the day, is there a limit on how long they can last? Like pandain's recent accusation, assume for a second that it is ignored by most of us. It will stay open until when, since it would never reach a majority?
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On September 05 2010 07:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Comrade, we have not jumped to conclusions. The peasant Hesmyrr is nothing to the glorious motherland. Comrade Stalin demands he suffer for his affront to Mother Russia!
Peasant!? You know not of his rank and order though shamefully neither do I comrade. Now unless both of you decide to reveal it, I suggest you treat him as an equal. In fact, I detest your capitalistic judgements against him and I demand that you retract your statement. We will have no class divisions in our Motherland and I am determined to keep it that way even when we are outside of our Motherland.
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On September 05 2010 11:55 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 11:41 Divinek wrote:
so im kind of lost as to how we actually get anything going lol, especially only with 24 hour days. Though i guess we could keep extending it Good, and here I thought I was the only one. So we can PM each other, and we vote in private (missed that until I just re-read the rules). Accusations extend the day, is there a limit on how long they can last? Like pandain's recent accusation, assume for a second that it is ignored by most of us. It will stay open until when, since it would never reach a majority?
i would assume day ends in 24h from his accusation. But that makes me wonder if 'no lynches' or whatever we call them in mother russia, are possible in this game
YO CALLER
and is there a limit on extensions, like couldn't we abuse that if we just wanted to keep extending the day and such?
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Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day
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On September 05 2010 03:06 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 02:59 deconduo wrote:On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? Agreed brother, quite suspicious indeed. Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 03:01 Pandain wrote:##AccusationHesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks! He knows nothing of our traditions or believes. Kill him now my comrades, and drink his blood and show it to our glorious leader Stalin! + Show Spoiler + I think we are being a little too hasty comrades! A death of a comrade is as harmful to Mother Russia as a death of an enemy is helpful. We should not turn upon each other just because we haven't found anything here yet! Control yourselves!
Russia can not be too hasty
You want to turn around?
You die by Russian Pistol!
I drink vodka and eat wolf meat as I bury you
On September 05 2010 05:57 SouthRawrea wrote:Вы говорите смутно товарищ.
I might but I act sternly on traitorous scum with a go forward attitude and a pistol on my side
On September 05 2010 07:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Comrade, we have not jumped to conclusions. The peasant Hesmyrr is nothing to the glorious motherland. Comrade Stalin demands he suffer for his affront to Mother Russia!
I agree comrade we must fight to keep the hope and dreams of our glorious land in tact.
On September 05 2010 07:36 SouthRawrea wrote:Comrades! I bring your attention to the black box-like thing sticking out of the water! Perhaps this is an enemy submarine! We must not quarrel amongst ourselves, we barely know each other do we not? Let me introduce my self I am Rawrea, a proud member of the Red Army. Journal Entry 1B Upon the start of our exploration, there was some uneasiness among my comrades. Pandain had perhaps jested, as I do not know of his intentions, that Hesmyrr was an American. He then began to make a formal accusation. I do not yet know of Pandain's rank within the Red Army and whether or not that was an ill-mannered joke but it has definitely created uneasiness within the small group. Just now, Comrade Divinek had hinted at Comrade Pandain trying to create disorder for his ulterior motives. I will be much more on my guard as I had been attempting to stop this nonsense as I now suspect that one of us may try and take advantage of this to fulfill their own agenda. It is not hard to imagine a traitor or American amongst us because although we are supposedly comrades, none of us know each other and the mission itself is most strange. Many possible scenarios run through my head at the moment such as the higher-ups sending us here to sort out those who they think are traitors in an isolated situation. I would've been informed unless they suspect me as well. I trail on, sorry. Regardless, I should leave my paranoia behind me unless a clear sign that there is a traitor in our midst appears to me. I shall write more as I feel the need to.
I hope I understand how to do this for the glorious lands of Josef Djugashvili Stalin from the Crimea to the land which Finland naturally deprives from us and must be sunk into the sea beneath our fist,
but to suppose an american has infiltrated our wonderful country is blasphemy!
I also believe you to be this said "American" because you have been thinking about it.
I feel that you have made a slip by mentioning that at all.
I have only been thinking about Soviet Russia and fighting for my glorious country
##accuse SouthRawrea
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##accusation southrawrea
read above, comrades!
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Can only red army officers make accusations?
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On September 05 2010 13:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Can only red army officers make accusations?
"LOGIC SYSTEM:
An officer (as well as other roles) may accuse anybody of having committed crimes"
can we accuse ourselves
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divinek, if i recall, you play dumb when you are scum
that is what it feels like you are doing here
is there a reason for that, comrade?
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What if somebody does not send in a judgement for an accusation? Is there mod action?
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On September 05 2010 12:44 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 03:06 SouthRawrea wrote:On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? On September 05 2010 02:59 deconduo wrote:On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? Agreed brother, quite suspicious indeed. On September 05 2010 03:01 Pandain wrote:##AccusationHesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks! He knows nothing of our traditions or believes. Kill him now my comrades, and drink his blood and show it to our glorious leader Stalin! + Show Spoiler + I think we are being a little too hasty comrades! A death of a comrade is as harmful to Mother Russia as a death of an enemy is helpful. We should not turn upon each other just because we haven't found anything here yet! Control yourselves! Russia can not be too hasty You want to turn around? You die by Russian Pistol! I drink vodka and eat wolf meat as I bury you Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 05:57 SouthRawrea wrote:On September 05 2010 05:41 Bill Murray wrote:
кто идет со мной? Вы говорите смутно товарищ. I might but I act sternly on traitorous scum with a go forward attitude and a pistol on my side Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 07:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Comrade, we have not jumped to conclusions. The peasant Hesmyrr is nothing to the glorious motherland. Comrade Stalin demands he suffer for his affront to Mother Russia! I agree comrade we must fight to keep the hope and dreams of our glorious land in tact. Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 07:36 SouthRawrea wrote:Comrades! I bring your attention to the black box-like thing sticking out of the water! Perhaps this is an enemy submarine! We must not quarrel amongst ourselves, we barely know each other do we not? Let me introduce my self I am Rawrea, a proud member of the Red Army. Journal Entry 1B Upon the start of our exploration, there was some uneasiness among my comrades. Pandain had perhaps jested, as I do not know of his intentions, that Hesmyrr was an American. He then began to make a formal accusation. I do not yet know of Pandain's rank within the Red Army and whether or not that was an ill-mannered joke but it has definitely created uneasiness within the small group. Just now, Comrade Divinek had hinted at Comrade Pandain trying to create disorder for his ulterior motives. I will be much more on my guard as I had been attempting to stop this nonsense as I now suspect that one of us may try and take advantage of this to fulfill their own agenda. It is not hard to imagine a traitor or American amongst us because although we are supposedly comrades, none of us know each other and the mission itself is most strange. Many possible scenarios run through my head at the moment such as the higher-ups sending us here to sort out those who they think are traitors in an isolated situation. I would've been informed unless they suspect me as well. I trail on, sorry. Regardless, I should leave my paranoia behind me unless a clear sign that there is a traitor in our midst appears to me. I shall write more as I feel the need to. I hope I understand how to do this for the glorious lands of Josef Djugashvili Stalin from the Crimea to the land which Finland naturally deprives from us and must be sunk into the sea beneath our fist, but to suppose an american has infiltrated our wonderful country is blasphemy!
I also believe you to be this said "American" because you have been thinking about it.
I feel that you have made a slip by mentioning that at all.
I have only been thinking about Soviet Russia and fighting for my glorious country
##accuse SouthRawrea
You have the right idea but the wrong person imo.
Pandain accused Hesmyrr of being an american, southrawr was merely talking about the fact. While it is logical to assume the enemy of our glorious soviet nation is the vile USA, there has been no specific mention of this being the case. This is indeed suspicious.
BIG FoS Pandain
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On September 05 2010 03:01 Pandain wrote:
##Accusation
Hesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks!
See above for the first mention of it.
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Radfield
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Consider for a moment my friends. We've been but a short time upon this isle. If there are indeed traitors among us, they would not be sticking their necks out at this early junction. In fact, given the setup in which we find ourselves, the best thing they could do is to lay low and hope to fly under the radar while we fling accusations at each other. Comrades Xelin and Zeks have yet to speak, and I would like to hear what they have to say.
With the voting hidden, there is very little reason for a capitalist to start up an accusation. They can sit back and vote yes on every accusation, and just hope that some go through. There will be basically no paper trail to follow.
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Radfield
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On September 05 2010 12:26 LSB wrote:
Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day
Where are you getting this information LSB? I don't see it anywhere in the OP? As far as I can tell, a comrade can make as many accusations as he would like. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS!
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On September 05 2010 21:14 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 12:26 LSB wrote:
Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day Where are you getting this information LSB? I don't see it anywhere in the OP? As far as I can tell, a comrade can make as many accusations as he would like. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS!
On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase? ^_^ I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day.
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I'm here, was busy downing bottles of vodka and traveling round Moscow (it's not drink driving when car drives you!)
Does this game start in the day stage, and if so isn't there going to be a problem in first day accusations in that considering them "logical" will be abit of a stretch.
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On September 05 2010 16:21 Bill Murray wrote:
divinek, if i recall, you play dumb when you are scum
that is what it feels like you are doing here
is there a reason for that, comrade?
this.
are we supposed to be roleplaying?
divinek and SR are suspicious in my books. gut feeling from past experiences
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On September 05 2010 22:41 XeliN wrote:
I'm here, was busy downing bottles of vodka and traveling round Moscow (it's not drink driving when car drives you!)
Does this game start in the day stage, and if so isn't there going to be a problem in first day accusations in that considering them "logical" will be abit of a stretch.
How is this setup different from the average-day-of-the-mill day 1? Except the fact that one should be cautious with accusations since votes are concealed, kind of pointless question if you ask me. I was wondering if we all should state what votes we are making publicly though when we send the PM.
And no, we are not supposed to roleplay.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 05 2010 21:29 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 21:14 Radfield wrote:On September 05 2010 12:26 LSB wrote:
Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day Where are you getting this information LSB? I don't see it anywhere in the OP? As far as I can tell, a comrade can make as many accusations as he would like. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS! Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase? ^_^ I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day.
That would be why I couldn't find it in the OP
I was wondering if we all should state what votes we are making publicly though when we send the PM.
Hesmyrr has a good suggestion here. It gives a place for everyone to explain their reasoning, and at least gives us something to work with. Yes mafia will lie, but that isn't the point.
I opposed both the accusations so far.
Basically we have as many Day 1 lynches as we would like. In theory we can prevent the capitalists from ever firing a shot at night and simply lynch our way through the game. Yes we lose the NKVD, which is outrageously useful when PMs are involved, but is it a worthwhile tradeoff? Probably not. TL Day 1 lynches are notoriously bad, but at some point we would be gaining a lot of info in a short time. It's something to keep in mind though. On day 3ish we may just want to lynch our way through as many scummy players as we can, especially if the NKVD is already dead.
Thoughts? Anyone have any other potential plans? Anyone want to PM me?
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On September 06 2010 01:03 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 21:29 deconduo wrote:On September 05 2010 21:14 Radfield wrote:On September 05 2010 12:26 LSB wrote:
Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day Where are you getting this information LSB? I don't see it anywhere in the OP? As far as I can tell, a comrade can make as many accusations as he would like. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS! On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase? ^_^ I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day. That would be why I couldn't find it in the OP Show nested quote +I was wondering if we all should state what votes we are making publicly though when we send the PM. Hesmyrr has a good suggestion here. It gives a place for everyone to explain their reasoning, and at least gives us something to work with. Yes mafia will lie, but that isn't the point.
I opposed both the accusations so far.Basically we have as many Day 1 lynches as we would like. In theory we can prevent the capitalists from ever firing a shot at night and simply lynch our way through the game. Yes we lose the NKVD, which is outrageously useful when PMs are involved, but is it a worthwhile tradeoff? Probably not. TL Day 1 lynches are notoriously bad, but at some point we would be gaining a lot of info in a short time. It's something to keep in mind though. On day 3ish we may just want to lynch our way through as many scummy players as we can, especially if the NKVD is already dead. Thoughts? Anyone have any other potential plans? Anyone want to PM me?
I think we should have no more accusations until some sort of agreement is reached. As I have said, due to hidden voting each wrong accusation runs the risk of giving the enemy an easy, free kill. While stating what we are voting is a good idea, ultimately people will just lie and we have no way of knowing who voted what.
For now I think we should just vote no on both current accusations and not start any new ones until we have more information. I particularly want to hear back from Pandain.
Do we know if we only have the one NKVD officer?
Finally, while PMing is allowed, be wary of who you talk to. Don't take anything for granted, and be careful of what information you give out.
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Oh and I haven't voted on the accusations yet, I want to see what the accused say first. I'm pretty sure I will vote no though, and would encourage the rest of my comrades to follow. We can always just accuse them again later on.
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One point. We have fifteen accusations available day one (well 13 if you count the current ones) because of 1 accusation a day per player rule. It still doesn't mean it should be thrown around gratuitously, of course.
I am opposing SouthRawrea accusation for now (can I say 'no' to my own accusation? I don't know if it counts).
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Wait was BM being serious? I thought we were both joking O>O
Pandain would not want to see his fellow comrade die by his hands!
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So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).
Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.
Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles.
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On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).
Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.
Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles.
Wait the mafia have no kill power? That makes things interesting all right. Are you sure of this?
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On September 06 2010 02:57 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).
Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.
Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles. Wait the mafia have no kill power? That makes things interesting all right. Are you sure of this?
Well that's what caller said. I'm re pming him to make sure. Maybe he didn't understand questions?
If not, then there goes a certain win :/
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Wait, the capitalists have no KP!? We should no-lynch today then, our NKVD starts up a circle around himself by checking people and then PMing them. Capitalists will be forced to fake NKVD. Eventually we get all the claimed NKVD to check each other, then lynch them all if they accuse each other of being capitalists. We find out which is legit, and have a big ol list of confirmed soviets which we roll with to the end of the game.
How can the capitalists win if they have no KP? Are there any capitalists? Are we on a wild goose chase looking for traitors when we are all loyal soviets?
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On September 06 2010 03:01 Radfield wrote:
How can the capitalists win if they have no KP? Are there any capitalists? Are we on a wild goose chase looking for traitors when we are all loyal soviets?
Haha that would be hilarious.
I'm thinking Caller misunderstood my question
"Do mafia themselves have the power to kill someone during the night"
as "do mafia THEMSELVES" rather than mafia as a whole. Still waiting confirmation :/
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm probably missing something here, but how can the capitalists win with a combo of:
-No night-time KP
-NKVD(detective)
-PMs
NKVD just keeps trucking till he gets three confirmed soviets, then investigates any other NKVD claimants, we lynch one of the NKVD(presuming they both claim the other is capitalist), we end up with a dead capitalist and three confirmed commies(four if we lynch the right NKVD) and kill everyone else with a 3 confirmed vs 2 capitalists + a bunch of unconfirmed soviets(I'm assuming 3 capitalists to start).
Presumably the capitalists must have some decent cover, and decent roles if this is all correct. Likely some form of KP, likely some form of Godfather and probably some Millers around as well. All in an effort to mitigate the No-KP/PM/NKVD combo. Maybe it's not so easy after all. Certainly a no-lynch looks more attractive Day 1 if we aren't going to lose anyone overnight and can lynch as many as we like Day 2.
I will be accusing inactive and inactive-ish players on Day 2. Speak up
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Comrade Radfield, you are by no means in position to speak with that commanding tongue. Speaking in such tongues...Do you enjoy Siberia, Comrade?
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Alright, Caller misunderstood. It's not gonna end up being a huge psychological experiment
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So the mafia have KP?
In that case we should as usual start voting on inactives.
I dont get this:
On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase? ^_^ I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day.
On August 27 2010 08:57 Caller wrote:
LOGIC SYSTEM:
An officer (as well as other roles) may accuse anybody of having committed crimes that endanger the people’s state. To do so, they must present a logical accusation of the crimes. 12 hours will pass for players to decide whether the judgment is valid. If the judgment is declared valid the criminal will be executed. On the other hand, if either a glaring error is discovered (namely, if more people oppose the judgment than support it) the judgment is ignored. More than one judgment may be pending at a time. Once all judgments and/or 24 hours have passed since the start of the day, it will shift to night phase.
What i marked red made it seem as we only have 24h before night. But LSB seemed to think that it was possible to extend the timelimit.
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On September 06 2010 03:35 lakrismamma wrote:So the mafia have KP? In that case we should as usual start voting on inactives. I dont get this: Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase? ^_^ I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day. Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 08:57 Caller wrote:
LOGIC SYSTEM:
An officer (as well as other roles) may accuse anybody of having committed crimes that endanger the people’s state. To do so, they must present a logical accusation of the crimes. 12 hours will pass for players to decide whether the judgment is valid. If the judgment is declared valid the criminal will be executed. On the other hand, if either a glaring error is discovered (namely, if more people oppose the judgment than support it) the judgment is ignored. More than one judgment may be pending at a time. Once all judgments and/or 24 hours have passed since the start of the day, it will shift to night phase.
What i marked red made it seem as we only have 24h before night. But LSB seemed to think that it was possible to extend the timelimit.
I should clarify that what this means is that if there are no accusations and 24 hours has passed then the day ends. Otherwise, accusations may extend the day.
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Actually its more than 24 h since the daypost so I guess that the day is extended by 12 hours by an accusation.
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Comerade, allow me to help you.
On September 06 2010 03:35 lakrismamma wrote:
So the mafia have KP?
Indeed the capitalists can kill. We must do our best to defend our Motherland.
In that case we should as usual start voting on inactives. I dont get this: Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase? ^_^ I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day. Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 08:57 Caller wrote:
LOGIC SYSTEM:
An officer (as well as other roles) may accuse anybody of having committed crimes that endanger the people’s state. To do so, they must present a logical accusation of the crimes. 12 hours will pass for players to decide whether the judgment is valid. If the judgment is declared valid the criminal will be executed. On the other hand, if either a glaring error is discovered (namely, if more people oppose the judgment than support it) the judgment is ignored. More than one judgment may be pending at a time. Once all judgments and/or 24 hours have passed since the start of the day, it will shift to night phase.
What i marked red made it seem as we only have 24h before night. But LSB seemed to think that it was possible to extend the timelimit.
Each day is 24 hours, however, as hardworking Soviets, we can work into the night if there is reason to do so. We are not lazy Americans that sleep when there is work to be done. So the day will not end until every Accusation has been judged.
For example, is Comerade Bill Murray decides 1 hour before night that he has found a Capitalist, he will make the accusation, and we will spend 12 hours evaluating it's logic. Therefor, the day will be 23+12 hours, so 35 hours
+ Show Spoiler +On August 27 2010 08:57 Caller wrote:
More than one judgment may be pending at a time. Once all judgments and/or 24 hours have passed since the start of the day, it will shift to night phase.
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Oh whoops, my bad, day ended 3 hours ago. All accusations did not have enough support to pass.
Night 1
The first night passed without bloodshed... but would it be the last for anybody?
Night Roles, if there are any, please PM me your actions.
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Comerads! Stop your basless accusations. Are we Americans? Making decisions on how our beer gut is feels?
NO!! We are revolutionarys! We use logic! I see no logic in all these accusations.
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Ok so day ends after 24 hours, OR 12 hours after the last accusation it seems. Not accusations add 12 hours to the end of the day. To prolong the day we should be making an accusation after 23h30min, and thereafter every 11h30min, giving 30min leeway just in case.
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On September 06 2010 04:03 Hesmyrr wrote:
24hr day? Seriously? =/
Yeah but keep in mind we can infinitely extend the day. Well, 15 times for 12 hours each.
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Activity Logs
0138h - 0344h
Deconduo 10
Pandain 8
SouthRawrea 7
Hesmyrr 6
Radfield 5
Divinek 4
Bill Murray 4
Lakrismamma 3
LSB 3
~OpZ~ 3
Infundibulum 2
bumatlarge 2
XeliN 1
Rastaban 1
Zeks 1
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On September 05 2010 16:21 Bill Murray wrote:
divinek, if i recall, you play dumb when you are scum
that is what it feels like you are doing here
is there a reason for that, comrade?
no im dead serious curios. Because we could just accuse ourselves mindlessly to extend the day and such. Naturally if you accuse yourself you'd look like an insane defect and likely be killed anyways in aims of the greater good.
Oh and zeks looks scummy just based on past experience. Look i can do it too comrade.
I guess we're going to find out the hard way what kind of KP exists for the otherside, id wait for sure to see what happens before trying to invest too much time into formulating a plan that might not work.
Why are people so sure they have a KP? i mean logically they should, but i didnt see caller say it, did people pm him and not state they got an answer from him or something?
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News Flash
The night had hardly begun when a scream was heard in the distance. They found SouthRawrea, horribly mauled, lying on the ground wearing nothing but a pair of shorts. Upon further investigation it appeared he had suffocated from having something heavy on his chest.
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what in the world, lol
im assuming his name being in red means he was capitalist scum,, hurrah!
that bugger had been trying to pm me
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Wait, does red mean communist or bad guy? Roles were red so I'm confused.
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##Accusation Divinek
On September 06 2010 04:30 Divinek wrote:
what in the world, lol
im assuming his name being in red means he was capitalist scum,, hurrah!
that bugger had been trying to pm me
If you were a Red Army Officer you'd know that our colors is red
Therefore, you obviously did not get the PM nor attend the school.
##Accusation Divinek
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On September 06 2010 04:41 LSB wrote:##Accusation DivinekShow nested quote +On September 06 2010 04:30 Divinek wrote:
what in the world, lol
im assuming his name being in red means he was capitalist scum,, hurrah!
that bugger had been trying to pm me If you were a Red Army Officer you'd know that our colors is red Therefore, you obviously did not get the PM nor attend the school. ##Accusation Divinek
no accusations at night time please we are trying to get some sleep
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On September 06 2010 04:41 LSB wrote:##Accusation DivinekShow nested quote +On September 06 2010 04:30 Divinek wrote:
what in the world, lol
im assuming his name being in red means he was capitalist scum,, hurrah!
that bugger had been trying to pm me If you were a Red Army Officer you'd know that our colors is red Therefore, you obviously did not get the PM nor attend the school. ##Accusation Divinek
Don't think we can accuse at night, but thats what I was thinking alright. Food for though anyway.
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On September 06 2010 04:40 deconduo wrote:
Wait, does red mean communist or bad guy? Roles were red so I'm confused.
Check the OP, he was the communist officer.
LSB's argument makes certain amount of sense. What was SouthRawrea PM'ing you about?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 06 2010 04:30 Divinek wrote:
what in the world, lol
im assuming his name being in red means he was capitalist scum,, hurrah!
that bugger had been trying to pm me
Red is the color of soviet russia.... that was no capitalist
I assume this means night is over.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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On September 06 2010 04:43 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 04:41 LSB wrote:##Accusation DivinekOn September 06 2010 04:30 Divinek wrote:
what in the world, lol
im assuming his name being in red means he was capitalist scum,, hurrah!
that bugger had been trying to pm me If you were a Red Army Officer you'd know that our colors is red Therefore, you obviously did not get the PM nor attend the school. ##Accusation Divinek no accusations at night time please we are trying to get some sleep
I apologize, this island has made me jumpy
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Actually I just noticed this on the OP
NKVD Officer: You suspect of a traitor within the ranks. You may investigate one person of your choice each night, and have the powers of an officer. Your investigation will reveal the person’s level of material wealth.
So I think the mafia is indeed Capitalists, and the way it is worded - wealth instead of alignment - makes me suspect presence of miller too.
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On September 06 2010 04:48 Hesmyrr wrote:Actually I just noticed this on the OP Show nested quote +NKVD Officer: You suspect of a traitor within the ranks. You may investigate one person of your choice each night, and have the powers of an officer. Your investigation will reveal the person’s level of material wealth. So I think the mafia is indeed Capitalists, and the way it is worded - wealth instead of alignment - makes me suspect presence of miller too.
So theres 5 hidden roles. If we assume miller + GF that leaves 3 more. If maf don't have any kill power per se, we can see clearly that some role has the ability to kill. Maybe a vig/3rd party killer?
And so fast too, wonder why that was.
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On September 06 2010 04:52 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 04:48 Hesmyrr wrote:Actually I just noticed this on the OP NKVD Officer: You suspect of a traitor within the ranks. You may investigate one person of your choice each night, and have the powers of an officer. Your investigation will reveal the person’s level of material wealth. So I think the mafia is indeed Capitalists, and the way it is worded - wealth instead of alignment - makes me suspect presence of miller too. So theres 5 hidden roles. If we assume miller + GF that leaves 3 more. If maf don't have any kill power per se, we can see clearly that some role has the ability to kill. Maybe a vig/3rd party killer? And so fast too, wonder why that was.
So fast referring to the night kill. Damn not being able to edit, I need to think more before I post.
Anyway, as to the other roles in the game:
Medic/Miller/GF/Vig, what else do you think we could be up against? (Or helped with)
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night isn't over yet
don't assume ANYTHING
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Pandain had invited SouthRawrea for a cup of tea in his quaint humble home. That's how it started at least. They had ended up together by the campfire, reading stories to each other. And as Pandain and South both reached for the same cup of tea, they paused. They looked at each other, their lips inches apart... their faces grew close... closer.... and later that night all South had was a pair of shorts.
Pandain remembered fervently now... his door was slammed into the ground, they grabbed South, put a bag over Pandain's head, and Pandain screamed as they beat him, they suffocated him, they stabbed him, and eventually choked him to death.
Then they left Pandain, unconscious, as he woke up the next morning to find South on the ground, a pile of blood everywhere, dead.
Pandain leaned over his body, kissed his mauled face softly, and wept.
And he swore he would get revenge
My SFA friend...no....
Well this means either
1. Mafia have a kp role as well as their additional kill each night.
2. Town has a kp role and someone used it.
We can expect two deaths today my friends.
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Wow we really needs to keep track of the time better so we can delay the day until we have some better grounds for accusations.
My conclusions from that the nightkill was carried out right away:
It was either from a vigilante or a mafia.
Vigilante is unlikely he would probably not use his power the first day. Unless he can kill every day, and that would make a game as small as this unbalanced imo.
Mafia If the mafia aren't really really organized then the kill have to come from one of their members who has an additional KP. That means that another kill will come later tonight.
It also means that there are probably no roleblockers or medics in the game or else caller wouldn't have been able to write it straight away.
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One other thing it could have been is a bomb. Would explain why he died so quickly, if he accidentally detonated it during the day.
Also look at the people who were active in the couple of minutes from day end to the kill. Chances are it could be one of them if it was a specific kill.
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i knew he was scum!!!!
well, i didn't know, but i suspected he was the american my comrades have rightfully shot
good job to the comrade and i swear i will buy you some stalichnaya and a mosin nagant
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On September 06 2010 06:06 Bill Murray wrote:
i knew he was scum!!!!
well, i didn't know, but i suspected he was the american my comrades have rightfully shot
good job to the comrade and i swear i will buy you some stalichnaya and a mosin nagant
Lol you obviously haven't read anything between the death post and now.
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na, radfield could be wrong
red might mean scum
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On September 06 2010 04:41 LSB wrote:##Accusation DivinekShow nested quote +On September 06 2010 04:30 Divinek wrote:
what in the world, lol
im assuming his name being in red means he was capitalist scum,, hurrah!
that bugger had been trying to pm me If you were a Red Army Officer you'd know that our colors is red Therefore, you obviously did not get the PM nor attend the school. ##Accusation Divinek
if you'd played any game of mafia in your life you'd know red is meant for scum. He didn't clarify so i was asking. I know what colour my role pm was, i don't know what colour capitialist pms are. If i was one id know what colour it was lol.
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On September 06 2010 06:16 Bill Murray wrote:
na, radfield could be wrong
red might mean scum
Look at OP, south was a red army officer
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On September 06 2010 04:44 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 04:40 deconduo wrote:
Wait, does red mean communist or bad guy? Roles were red so I'm confused. Check the OP, he was the communist officer. LSB's argument makes certain amount of sense. What was SouthRawrea PM'ing you about?
he just wanted to make an alliance with me or whatever, back each other up in the thread and such. That's about all he said
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Journal Entry 1C
*You notice that the page is crumpled and slightly damp upon reading it*
I've had the feeling tonight that someone was watching me. Whoever it was, they were not looking to have a good time. I am currently staying over with comrade Pandain in the hopes that not being alone will deter this malevolent person from committing whatever action they plan on. I get the feeling that Pandain thinks of me more than a comrade but all I wish for at this point is for this night to be uneventful. I get the feeling that many of those who are here are inferior to my rank in the Red Army and am irritated that some would not think of me as a comrade. In the morning.. *the page trails off*
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What the balls is going on. At least south was vanilla(?), but Im pretty lost comrades. And I doubt anyone but caller could make sense of it. We kinda need to kill someone tomorrow.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 06 2010 04:28 Caller wrote:
News Flash
The night had hardly begun when a scream was heard in the distance. They found SouthRawrea, horribly mauled, lying on the ground wearing nothing but a pair of shorts. Upon further investigation it appeared he had suffocated from having something heavy on his chest.
Clues? Clues.... 3 clues to go with 3 likely scum?
We need Chez to make sense of this. Or the dude who figured out all the mafia on Day 1 from the clues but no one listened to him.
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On September 06 2010 06:53 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 04:28 Caller wrote:
News Flash
The night had hardly begun when a scream was heard in the distance. They found SouthRawrea, horribly mauled, lying on the ground wearing nothing but a pair of shorts. Upon further investigation it appeared he had suffocated from having something heavy on his chest. Clues? Clues.... 3 clues to go with 3 likely scum? We need Chez to make sense of this. Or the dude who figured out all the mafia on Day 1 from the clues but no one listened to him.
Well I already explained the shorts....
But I don't think it can really tell us anything other than the fact that it was a kp role. Perhaps it can tell us the specifics of the role (aka Mauler or Comp Vig for example) but other than that, the point remains the same...
Theres a monster among us.
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I don't think that we should focus on clues day one. We should analyze posts instead.
Especially when we don't know if there are clues in the game.
Does Caller usually have this?
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The problem with this game...Is Caller does nothing logically. Now. I challenge someone to put forth a better idea.
I'm not used to the days ending so soon, so I was kind of confused. And South died before the night was over? I'm guessing Capitalist Scum made a kill before the night was over. I would accuse Pandain of accusing our brother SouthRawea and poisoning him with his "tea." I would also accuse Pandain of homosexuality, and condemn him to a lifetime of Siberia! How do you feel Comrades? Does this course of action suit a man from Glorious Mother Russia!
Opinions my comrades. Your votes are hidden and so are your thoughts. Speak to your brother and let him know your thoughts.
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On September 06 2010 07:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:
The problem with this game...Is Caller does nothing logically. Now. I challenge someone to put forth a better idea.
I'm not used to the days ending so soon, so I was kind of confused. And South died before the night was over? I'm guessing Capitalist Scum made a kill before the night was over. I would accuse Pandain of accusing our brother SouthRawea and poisoning him with his "tea." I would also accuse Pandain of homosexuality, and condemn him to a lifetime of Siberia! How do you feel Comrades? Does this course of action suit a man from Glorious Mother Russia!
Opinions my comrades. Your votes are hidden and so are your thoughts. Speak to your brother and let him know your thoughts.
You don't know what they did to me in the cryogenic chamber! You wouldn't be talking if you knew...if only... if...*starts breaking down and crying*
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Let's kill pandain. His name sounds like a pair of pants, and he just made advances on me via PM.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum!
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But do bum's come one to you out of depression? (not literally...)
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On September 06 2010 08:38 Radfield wrote:
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum!
and what's the only thing that can maul you, a bear with a BUM!
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On September 06 2010 08:38 Radfield wrote:
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum!
LOL!!!!
OK, well I just caught up. It is good that no one was killed day one, we can lynch as many people as needed during a lynch so we don't need to be in such a rush. This will also help us see what the capitalists are capable of.
I think we should be looking at a plan for tomorrow. I like the idea of requiring people to post there votes publicly and a reason with it. While the Capitalist Swine can lie about there votes, if someone dies when they shouldn't have we can then look through the votes and try and weed out the liar. The other thing we benefit from this is that if the Caps try and lie they must use week arguments since if they lie too well they will convince more people to the side they lied for defeating the purpose of lying.
I think the other thing we should look at doing is running this like a communist committee. My thought is that we do not allow people to forward there own accusations. Instead they will put for there logic, and ##Trial SouthRawea. This must then be quoted the actual accusation created. The reason for this is that it will keep the mafia from generating accusations without reason. And if they really are pushing someone then 2 of them must be exposed.
Now I know you will naturally think, But I love the privacy of my votes, and I like the freedom making my own accusations, but I sat NO! You are thinking as a capitalist, to succeed we must return to our communist roots. We serve the Motherland, and we must give up our individual desires for the good of the collective. You are innocent are you not, you have nothing to hide, only those who scheme in secret will have anything to worry about. What say you comrades? I say the security we gain is well worth the small amount of privacy lost.
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On September 06 2010 11:23 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 08:38 Radfield wrote:
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum! LOL!!!! OK, well I just caught up. It is good that no one was killed day one, we can lynch as many people as needed during a lynch so we don't need to be in such a rush. This will also help us see what the capitalists are capable of. I think we should be looking at a plan for tomorrow. I like the idea of requiring people to post there votes publicly and a reason with it. While the Capitalist Swine can lie about there votes, if someone dies when they shouldn't have we can then look through the votes and try and weed out the liar. The other thing we benefit from this is that if the Caps try and lie they must use week arguments since if they lie too well they will convince more people to the side they lied for defeating the purpose of lying. I think the other thing we should look at doing is running this like a communist committee. My thought is that we do not allow people to forward there own accusations. Instead they will put for there logic, and ##Trial SouthRawea. This must then be quoted the actual accusation created. The reason for this is that it will keep the mafia from generating accusations without reason. And if they really are pushing someone then 2 of them must be exposed. Now I know you will naturally think, But I love the privacy of my votes, and I like the freedom making my own accusations, but I sat NO! You are thinking as a capitalist, to succeed we must return to our communist roots. We serve the Motherland, and we must give up our individual desires for the good of the collective. You are innocent are you not, you have nothing to hide, only those who scheme in secret will have anything to worry about. What say you comrades? I say the security we gain is well worth the small amount of privacy lost.
Here is an example, since I have placed him up for trial, then any one besides me would quote the post as I am doing and initiate the accusation. (He is dead and it is night so oibviously this is just a demo)
##Accuse SouthRawea
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On September 06 2010 11:25 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 11:23 rastaban wrote:On September 06 2010 08:38 Radfield wrote:
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum! LOL!!!! OK, well I just caught up. It is good that no one was killed day one, we can lynch as many people as needed during a lynch so we don't need to be in such a rush. This will also help us see what the capitalists are capable of. I think we should be looking at a plan for tomorrow. I like the idea of requiring people to post there votes publicly and a reason with it. While the Capitalist Swine can lie about there votes, if someone dies when they shouldn't have we can then look through the votes and try and weed out the liar. The other thing we benefit from this is that if the Caps try and lie they must use week arguments since if they lie too well they will convince more people to the side they lied for defeating the purpose of lying. I think the other thing we should look at doing is running this like a communist committee. My thought is that we do not allow people to forward there own accusations. Instead they will put for there logic, and ##Trial SouthRawea. This must then be quoted the actual accusation created. The reason for this is that it will keep the mafia from generating accusations without reason. And if they really are pushing someone then 2 of them must be exposed. Now I know you will naturally think, But I love the privacy of my votes, and I like the freedom making my own accusations, but I sat NO! You are thinking as a capitalist, to succeed we must return to our communist roots. We serve the Motherland, and we must give up our individual desires for the good of the collective. You are innocent are you not, you have nothing to hide, only those who scheme in secret will have anything to worry about. What say you comrades? I say the security we gain is well worth the small amount of privacy lost. Here is an example, since I have placed him up for trial, then any one besides me would quote the post as I am doing and initiate the accusation. (He is dead and it is night so oibviously this is just a demo) ##Accuse SouthRawea
i just dont see how we're going to differentiate the people that lie about their votes. It's really not hard to come up with solid reasoning to explain a vote on someone who is playing obviously suspicious. Not to mention the crux of this game
the caveat
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On September 06 2010 11:28 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 11:25 rastaban wrote:On September 06 2010 11:23 rastaban wrote:On September 06 2010 08:38 Radfield wrote:
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum! LOL!!!! OK, well I just caught up. It is good that no one was killed day one, we can lynch as many people as needed during a lynch so we don't need to be in such a rush. This will also help us see what the capitalists are capable of. I think we should be looking at a plan for tomorrow. I like the idea of requiring people to post there votes publicly and a reason with it. While the Capitalist Swine can lie about there votes, if someone dies when they shouldn't have we can then look through the votes and try and weed out the liar. The other thing we benefit from this is that if the Caps try and lie they must use week arguments since if they lie too well they will convince more people to the side they lied for defeating the purpose of lying. I think the other thing we should look at doing is running this like a communist committee. My thought is that we do not allow people to forward there own accusations. Instead they will put for there logic, and ##Trial SouthRawea. This must then be quoted the actual accusation created. The reason for this is that it will keep the mafia from generating accusations without reason. And if they really are pushing someone then 2 of them must be exposed. Now I know you will naturally think, But I love the privacy of my votes, and I like the freedom making my own accusations, but I sat NO! You are thinking as a capitalist, to succeed we must return to our communist roots. We serve the Motherland, and we must give up our individual desires for the good of the collective. You are innocent are you not, you have nothing to hide, only those who scheme in secret will have anything to worry about. What say you comrades? I say the security we gain is well worth the small amount of privacy lost. Here is an example, since I have placed him up for trial, then any one besides me would quote the post as I am doing and initiate the accusation. (He is dead and it is night so oibviously this is just a demo) ##Accuse SouthRawea i just dont see how we're going to differentiate the people that lie about their votes. It's really not hard to come up with solid reasoning to explain a vote on someone who is playing obviously suspicious. Not to mention the crux of this game the caveat
this may or may not be true, but we are at least forcing the mafia to lie. This has several implications as the game progresses.
1. While it may be difficult to tell, they still did lie and if we can find it then we have ourselves an enemy
2. Lying forces them to come up with reason that is the opposite of what they really think. This may cause them to convince people to the other side hurting there own cause.
3. We can see what lynches were close, even if no one lies, if the lynch comes down to a draw vote we can learn from the. If someone is not lynched by 1 vote it is a big difference from not being lynched by say 5. We learn nothing from the voting as it is now.
4, It makes us come up with legitimate reasons for our votes, and we will become less likely jump on the bandwagon if we have to have our own reason for the vote.
5. If someone lied and either the person who should have died was saved or the other way around, even if we don't learn the identity of the liar we do learn about the person being voted on. An innocent saved, may very well be a mafia buddy someone lied about there vote to keep alive. An innocent convicted means the mafia really wanted that person, perhaps over someone else or because they posed a threat.
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On September 06 2010 11:23 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 08:38 Radfield wrote:
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum! LOL!!!! OK, well I just caught up. It is good that no one was killed day one, we can lynch as many people as needed during a lynch so we don't need to be in such a rush. This will also help us see what the capitalists are capable of. I think we should be looking at a plan for tomorrow. I like the idea of requiring people to post there votes publicly and a reason with it. While the Capitalist Swine can lie about there votes, if someone dies when they shouldn't have we can then look through the votes and try and weed out the liar. The other thing we benefit from this is that if the Caps try and lie they must use week arguments since if they lie too well they will convince more people to the side they lied for defeating the purpose of lying. I think the other thing we should look at doing is running this like a communist committee. My thought is that we do not allow people to forward there own accusations. Instead they will put for there logic, and ##Trial SouthRawea. This must then be quoted the actual accusation created. The reason for this is that it will keep the mafia from generating accusations without reason. And if they really are pushing someone then 2 of them must be exposed. Now I know you will naturally think, But I love the privacy of my votes, and I like the freedom making my own accusations, but I sat NO! You are thinking as a capitalist, to succeed we must return to our communist roots. We serve the Motherland, and we must give up our individual desires for the good of the collective. You are innocent are you not, you have nothing to hide, only those who scheme in secret will have anything to worry about. What say you comrades? I say the security we gain is well worth the small amount of privacy lost.
Хотя я хотел бы пожертвовать нашими мелкими свободы на благо разночинцы я беспокоюсь, что это слишком бюрократической без каких-либо реальные результаты. Дорогой товарищ, я бы не против делать такого плана, но это только кажется мне, что это только поможет нам, если мы получим очень повезло, да и то как мы должны выяснить, кто действительно лгал?
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Я могу использовать Google Translate тоже!
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On September 06 2010 11:37 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 11:28 Divinek wrote:On September 06 2010 11:25 rastaban wrote:On September 06 2010 11:23 rastaban wrote:On September 06 2010 08:38 Radfield wrote:
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum! LOL!!!! OK, well I just caught up. It is good that no one was killed day one, we can lynch as many people as needed during a lynch so we don't need to be in such a rush. This will also help us see what the capitalists are capable of. I think we should be looking at a plan for tomorrow. I like the idea of requiring people to post there votes publicly and a reason with it. While the Capitalist Swine can lie about there votes, if someone dies when they shouldn't have we can then look through the votes and try and weed out the liar. The other thing we benefit from this is that if the Caps try and lie they must use week arguments since if they lie too well they will convince more people to the side they lied for defeating the purpose of lying. I think the other thing we should look at doing is running this like a communist committee. My thought is that we do not allow people to forward there own accusations. Instead they will put for there logic, and ##Trial SouthRawea. This must then be quoted the actual accusation created. The reason for this is that it will keep the mafia from generating accusations without reason. And if they really are pushing someone then 2 of them must be exposed. Now I know you will naturally think, But I love the privacy of my votes, and I like the freedom making my own accusations, but I sat NO! You are thinking as a capitalist, to succeed we must return to our communist roots. We serve the Motherland, and we must give up our individual desires for the good of the collective. You are innocent are you not, you have nothing to hide, only those who scheme in secret will have anything to worry about. What say you comrades? I say the security we gain is well worth the small amount of privacy lost. Here is an example, since I have placed him up for trial, then any one besides me would quote the post as I am doing and initiate the accusation. (He is dead and it is night so oibviously this is just a demo) ##Accuse SouthRawea i just dont see how we're going to differentiate the people that lie about their votes. It's really not hard to come up with solid reasoning to explain a vote on someone who is playing obviously suspicious. Not to mention the crux of this game the caveat this may or may not be true, but we are at least forcing the mafia to lie. This has several implications as the game progresses. 1. While it may be difficult to tell, they still did lie and if we can find it then we have ourselves an enemy 2. Lying forces them to come up with reason that is the opposite of what they really think. This may cause them to convince people to the other side hurting there own cause. 3. We can see what lynches were close, even if no one lies, if the lynch comes down to a draw vote we can learn from the. If someone is not lynched by 1 vote it is a big difference from not being lynched by say 5. We learn nothing from the voting as it is now. 4, It makes us come up with legitimate reasons for our votes, and we will become less likely jump on the bandwagon if we have to have our own reason for the vote. 5. If someone lied and either the person who should have died was saved or the other way around, even if we don't learn the identity of the liar we do learn about the person being voted on. An innocent saved, may very well be a mafia buddy someone lied about there vote to keep alive. An innocent convicted means the mafia really wanted that person, perhaps over someone else or because they posed a threat.
I agree. I will publically state my votes.
I will not cowardly hide behind the curtains whispering my thoughts, I will proudly display them and distrust all that do not!
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СО СПИСКОМ ПОДОЗРЕВАЕМЫХ.
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I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain
I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that
I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ
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Did anyone else find Rastaban's plan to be scumdriven since it requires a second person to make the accusation after the first one?
Scum sees town putting town on trial
Scum makes accusation, can blame the townie who put them on trial
Scum puts a townie on trial
Another scum makes an "accusation"
We mislynch a comrade because people will ride wagons generally
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On September 06 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:
Did anyone else find Rastaban's plan to be scumdriven since it requires a second person to make the accusation after the first one?
Scum sees town putting town on trial
Scum makes accusation, can blame the townie who put them on trial
Scum puts a townie on trial
Another scum makes an "accusation"
We mislynch a comrade because people will ride wagons generally
Yes and no, since really your scenario isn't much different than scum putting out accusations to bog down the town with. At least with rasta's plan the scum have to do extra work, otherwise they just can go #accuse whenever they want. And the play you're describing is pretty obvious, I don't think it would get past anyone that the 'accuser' was trying to blame the 'trial-er.'
as for bandwagoning, since votes are hidden i think this game that should be less of a problem.
I do agree with posting our votes publicly and giving a reason (i actually came up with that idea too but rasta got to post before me )
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There need to be more accusations if we can extend the day. Caller's and/or is really confusing. 9 pages and us being on day 2 isn't good for us comrades.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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I like that we state our votes and reasons in the thread.
I don't like the second person needed to make an accusation simply because it makes it harder to keep track of who accused who and who supported. It is usually chaotic enough as it is.
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Christ, it is OBVIOUS we should state votes and reasons in thread. It is something we can work with, which is always better than nothing. In fact I like trial system too, since with well-supported reasoning getting the second supporter shouldn't be hard anyway. It also gives one certain tangible supporter of the accusations which is valuable since closed votes.
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Night should be over soon right?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Lets hope so, I want to get this cracking with accusations
I think Hesmyrr trial system is good for one main reason: It keeps us from getting bogged down in accusations.
We should most definitely be stating in the thread whether we are yay or nay on accusations.
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On September 07 2010 04:05 Radfield wrote:Lets hope so, I want to get this cracking with accusations I think Hesmyrr trial system is good for one main reason: It keeps us from getting bogged down in accusations. We should most definitely be stating in the thread whether we are yay or nay on accusations.
Yah, I also think we should hold off on accusations until near the very end of the day to prolong it. That way we aren't wasting accusations, and also theres less accusations going around to make things confusing.
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On September 07 2010 04:08 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 04:05 Radfield wrote:Lets hope so, I want to get this cracking with accusations I think Hesmyrr trial system is good for one main reason: It keeps us from getting bogged down in accusations. We should most definitely be stating in the thread whether we are yay or nay on accusations. Yah, I also think we should hold off on accusations until near the very end of the day to prolong it. That way we aren't wasting accusations, and also theres less accusations going around to make things confusing.
I don't know, this way we could potentially have a bunch of accusations flying around at once and it could get kinda confusing.
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On September 07 2010 04:40 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 04:08 deconduo wrote:On September 07 2010 04:05 Radfield wrote:Lets hope so, I want to get this cracking with accusations I think Hesmyrr trial system is good for one main reason: It keeps us from getting bogged down in accusations. We should most definitely be stating in the thread whether we are yay or nay on accusations. Yah, I also think we should hold off on accusations until near the very end of the day to prolong it. That way we aren't wasting accusations, and also theres less accusations going around to make things confusing. I don't know, this way we could potentially have a bunch of accusations flying around at once and it could get kinda confusing.
We could always organize what's going on. Shouldn't be too bad once we start getting organized posts down.
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Caller the Insane Mod has been killed.
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hold up you impatient people
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Been pming people and one of the things someone brought up is very intriguing to me. *cough* Xelin *cough*
Why was South killed, of all people? If it was mafia, then why would they kill him instead of someone like Radfield or the such (aka better players.) Did they think he was a blue?
This is why I'm starting to think it was either
1. Unintentional. For example a "weak" doctor role that would kill a non scum, but a role that actually fits in this scenario.
2. They thought he was blue. But none of his posts seem to really indicate that. And definitely as we see now he wasn't.
Moving forward, if it was a mafia one time kill thing(like day vig but more hidden), then why would they use it now? Especially considering there are other people who would be considered more "expierenced." No offense to South of course, but obviously him(as well as I) aren't really what you would consider "the best".
Anyone want to help make sense of all this?
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Alright. Everyones being quiet this game. I think we are all a little confused. Probably the lack of knowledge of our roles.
Well...I'm assuming KP roles are in the game.
So town KP roles, please do not use your kp unless you are sure. There are only 14 of us left right now, so we have little room for error I believe. I don't want any of my good Soviet Brothers to lose their lives.
Radfield...Why did you assume those were clues instead of Caller just....typing something? I mean...you're just as aware that Caller is insane as I am. (I love Caller's games).
Town medics? I would recommend one of you to protect Radfield, and for investigation roles, Check him. I would like a good scum hunter to have a good lead. And PM's are an option, so we can really get them. Decuondo, and Rastaban, arguably good checks too. Maybe I posted this at the wrong time and should of said it earlier, but my bad.
And....Is it day yet? -_______-
I'm so confused.
We are the red Army.
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Day 2
![[image loading]](http://flavorwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/frederic_chaubin07.jpg)
Of the 14 left, 2 more died.
Radfield died with a blade in his side,
while Bill Murray collapsed, his veins devoid of red.
The 12 remaining knew there was nowhere to hide.
Only Soviet power can swing the tide.
Day begins, begin your accusations now.
Radfield the Red Army Officer and Bill Murray the NKVD are dead.
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OH WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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As Radfield messages me in PM, he seemed legitimately concerned about BumAtLarge. Clearly that wasn't a Capitalist dog that killed him. And 2 KP? If you are Aligned with Glorious Mother Russia....I would suggest you admit one of these kills, or I will expect that one of our brothers has gone rogue. Possibly he may be a serial killer. I fear this Comrades. I fear this very much.
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Also...I would like to note that Bill Murray attacked Rastabans plan, during the night phase. He was NKVD, meaning he had his knowledge before the end of night (if Caller is still playing like every other game he hosts with DT/NKVD -_____-). Whom did he investigate. Possibly Rastaban. I will proceed to look at the rest of his posts now.
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On September 06 2010 13:31 Bill Murray wrote:
I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain
I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that
I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ
Or possibly Pandain....Yes...
##Trial Pandain
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Who saw that one coming...
c'mon medic, shape up 
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On September 07 2010 07:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 13:31 Bill Murray wrote:
I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain
I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that
I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ Or possibly Pandain....Yes... ##Trial Pandain
What the heck have I done?
Seriously town needs to start using its "more than one lynch" per day thing.
Even Radfield had also pmed me about Bum. Radfield trusted me, you should as well.
##Trial BumatLarge.
Seriously, 3 kills already? What the fadoodle?
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On September 07 2010 07:28 ~OpZ~ wrote:
As Radfield messages me in PM, he seemed legitimately concerned about BumAtLarge. Clearly that wasn't a Capitalist dog that killed him. And 2 KP? If you are Aligned with Glorious Mother Russia....I would suggest you admit one of these kills, or I will expect that one of our brothers has gone rogue. Possibly he may be a serial killer. I fear this Comrades. I fear this very much.
you should post those PM's.
so mafia has 2kp in a 15 person game. i'm guessing this means there are 3 mafia. 4 tops.
as for the kill on South, i'm guessing it was a town KP role. It couldn't have been a bomb (no idea why lakrismamma said it was)... i doubt there is a bomber in a game this small + it would be the worst time ever to bomb. So its probably a town KP role that has some kills remaining. If the person is town aligned and does not have kills remaining, they should come forward.
Otherwise we can't really worry about it, since it's too hard to confirm roles in this setup, especially if we lost our only NKVD. Now that Pandain is on trial I will collect his posts.
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On September 07 2010 07:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 13:31 Bill Murray wrote:
I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain
I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that
I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ Or possibly Pandain....Yes... ##Trial Pandain
Did you and Bill have anymore discussion on this? Like more reasons?
Jw, im making a decision and I need help
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I did the print screen + paste onto Word, so then you can see the PMs, but now I can't upload onto image shack because for some reason won't let me save picture itself. I'll just post the text itself.
+ Show Spoiler +Not really Just a hunch. I'm going to PM him just for fun.
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Original Message:
any reason why
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Original Message:
If I die tonight, keep an eye on him.
Title was: BumatLarge
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Pandain's Posts
+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2010 01:58 Pandain wrote:
Pandain remembered that day. After the Russian revolution of 1919 in which he lost his arms, legs, and vocal organs, he moved to the tiny island of Henbechto to live his final days in peace. Unfortunately, it turned out that American Capitalists had been working on an evil life-preserving study, and had captured Pandain and forced him to live!
For 30 years Pandain stood like that, alone, frozen, in the cryogenic freezer of EVIL He watched as they studied him, they prodded him. He watched as they heard news of the end of WW2 and packed their bags for fear of being discovered by the Japenese. He watched as he stood alone, frozen, unable to speak, move, where his own thoughts were the things that led him to virtual insanity.
For 20 more years Pandain stood alone, frozen. And after so long...he began to accept it. He began to enjoy the solititude. The scientists had left one bit of mercy: A power battery sustaining him that would run out in 1 more year. He only had to wait... and then this life would be over
One more year passed, and as he watched the clock tick to one more month, 14 Soviet troops stormed in and recharged the battery. They took him out and fixed him up. Pandain screamed "No! No! I want to die!" But then they put a gigantic Brainwasher 2000 to his head and Pandain learned something: Soviet Russia was best Russia!
All hail to the Motherland! Off to do their duty! On September 05 2010 03:01 Pandain wrote:##AccusationHesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks! He knows nothing of our traditions or believes. Kill him now my comrades, and drink his blood and show it to our glorious leader Stalin! + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2010 02:30 Pandain wrote:
Wait was BM being serious? I thought we were both joking O>O
Pandain would not want to see his fellow comrade die by his hands! On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).
Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.
Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles. On September 06 2010 03:30 Pandain wrote:Alright, Caller misunderstood. It's not gonna end up being a huge psychological experiment On September 06 2010 05:08 Pandain wrote:
Pandain had invited SouthRawrea for a cup of tea in his quaint humble home. That's how it started at least. They had ended up together by the campfire, reading stories to each other. And as Pandain and South both reached for the same cup of tea, they paused. They looked at each other, their lips inches apart... their faces grew close... closer.... and later that night all South had was a pair of shorts.
Pandain remembered fervently now... his door was slammed into the ground, they grabbed South, put a bag over Pandain's head, and Pandain screamed as they beat him, they suffocated him, they stabbed him, and eventually choked him to death.
Then they left Pandain, unconscious, as he woke up the next morning to find South on the ground, a pile of blood everywhere, dead.
Pandain leaned over his body, kissed his mauled face softly, and wept.
And he swore he would get revenge
My SFA friend...no....
Well this means either
1. Mafia have a kp role as well as their additional kill each night.
2. Town has a kp role and someone used it.
We can expect two deaths today my friends. On September 06 2010 07:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 06:53 Radfield wrote:On September 06 2010 04:28 Caller wrote:
News Flash
The night had hardly begun when a scream was heard in the distance. They found SouthRawrea, horribly mauled, lying on the ground wearing nothing but a pair of shorts. Upon further investigation it appeared he had suffocated from having something heavy on his chest. Clues? Clues.... 3 clues to go with 3 likely scum? We need Chez to make sense of this. Or the dude who figured out all the mafia on Day 1 from the clues but no one listened to him. Well I already explained the shorts.... But I don't think it can really tell us anything other than the fact that it was a kp role. Perhaps it can tell us the specifics of the role (aka Mauler or Comp Vig for example) but other than that, the point remains the same... Theres a monster among us. On September 06 2010 11:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 11:23 rastaban wrote:On September 06 2010 08:38 Radfield wrote:
But what goes in a pair of pants? A BUM!
And what could crush the life out of a man? A large bum! LOL!!!! OK, well I just caught up. It is good that no one was killed day one, we can lynch as many people as needed during a lynch so we don't need to be in such a rush. This will also help us see what the capitalists are capable of. I think we should be looking at a plan for tomorrow. I like the idea of requiring people to post there votes publicly and a reason with it. While the Capitalist Swine can lie about there votes, if someone dies when they shouldn't have we can then look through the votes and try and weed out the liar. The other thing we benefit from this is that if the Caps try and lie they must use week arguments since if they lie too well they will convince more people to the side they lied for defeating the purpose of lying. I think the other thing we should look at doing is running this like a communist committee. My thought is that we do not allow people to forward there own accusations. Instead they will put for there logic, and ##Trial SouthRawea. This must then be quoted the actual accusation created. The reason for this is that it will keep the mafia from generating accusations without reason. And if they really are pushing someone then 2 of them must be exposed. Now I know you will naturally think, But I love the privacy of my votes, and I like the freedom making my own accusations, but I sat NO! You are thinking as a capitalist, to succeed we must return to our communist roots. We serve the Motherland, and we must give up our individual desires for the good of the collective. You are innocent are you not, you have nothing to hide, only those who scheme in secret will have anything to worry about. What say you comrades? I say the security we gain is well worth the small amount of privacy lost. Хотя я хотел бы пожертвовать нашими мелкими свободы на благо разночинцы я беспокоюсь, что это слишком бюрократической без каких-либо реальные результаты. Дорогой товарищ, я бы не против делать такого плана, но это только кажется мне, что это только поможет нам, если мы получим очень повезло, да и то как мы должны выяснить, кто действительно лгал? Translation: Although I would like to sacrifice our liberty for the benefit of small commoners I worry that it is too bureaucratic, without any real results. Dear friend, I would not mind doing such a plan, but it just seems to me that this will only help us if we get lucky, and even then we should find out who really lied? On September 07 2010 06:54 Pandain wrote:
Been pming people and one of the things someone brought up is very intriguing to me. *cough* Xelin *cough*
Why was South killed, of all people? If it was mafia, then why would they kill him instead of someone like Radfield or the such (aka better players.) Did they think he was a blue?
This is why I'm starting to think it was either
1. Unintentional. For example a "weak" doctor role that would kill a non scum, but a role that actually fits in this scenario.
2. They thought he was blue. But none of his posts seem to really indicate that. And definitely as we see now he wasn't.
Moving forward, if it was a mafia one time kill thing(like day vig but more hidden), then why would they use it now? Especially considering there are other people who would be considered more "expierenced." No offense to South of course, but obviously him(as well as I) aren't really what you would consider "the best".
Anyone want to help make sense of all this?
I left out like 3-4 pointless 1 liners. To me he seems to playing like green Pandain has been playing. The main thing is the accusation on Hesmyrr that he claims was a joke. I can see the joking tone in the post, but the fact stands that it's kind of a weird thing to joke about especially with using the actual ## tags. I want to hear others interpretations though.
bumatlarge's posts next
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Of course I was joking about Hesmyrr's accusation. That's why I put "=D" at the very end.
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On September 07 2010 08:11 Pandain wrote:I did the print screen + paste onto Word, so then you can see the PMs, but now I can't upload onto image shack because for some reason won't let me save picture itself. I'll just post the text itself. + Show Spoiler +Not really Just a hunch. I'm going to PM him just for fun.
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Original Message:
any reason why
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If I die tonight, keep an eye on him. Title was: BumatLarge
Isn't that against the rules? Screen Capturing your PMs?
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Bumatlarge's posts
+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? On September 05 2010 13:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Can only red army officers make accusations? On September 06 2010 06:49 bumatlarge wrote:
What the balls is going on. At least south was vanilla(?), but Im pretty lost comrades. And I doubt anyone but caller could make sense of it. We kinda need to kill someone tomorrow. On September 06 2010 08:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's kill pandain. His name sounds like a pair of pants, and he just made advances on me via PM.
Left out one 1 liner post.
The post that really sticks out to me is the "i'm pretty lost" post. It strikes me as a pre-emptive excuse.
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Only problem with Pandian
On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).
Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.
Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles.
Pandain PMed Caller to see if the Mafia have any KP.
This means either
A) Pandain is mafia and trying to make up some reason that will get us not to think he is mafia
B) Pandain is town and was confused
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On September 07 2010 08:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 07:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On September 06 2010 13:31 Bill Murray wrote:
I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain
I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that
I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ Or possibly Pandain....Yes... ##Trial Pandain What the heck have I done? Seriously town needs to start using its "more than one lynch" per day thing. Even Radfield had also pmed me about Bum. Radfield trusted me, you should as well. ##Trial BumatLarge.
Seriously, 3 kills already? What the fadoodle?
i most definitely support this trial. I always assume if bum is on the evil side im gonna die night one, but i suppose that is less likely when they have a lower kp, and last game he didnt even want me to die . It's weird he pushes for my lynch all the time when he's town but never kills me as mafia.
He always posts stupid innocuous posts that dont really say much, but make it look like he's here. Like once a day. But when the fire is on his ass he starts talking up so yes. But for actual reasoning, he acts like the typical confused mafia, and does a little light fanning of flames like lets kill Y!
etc
##Accuse BumatLarge
I dont think it's too likely we had more than one nkvd... sad times.
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OK i will wait to see what bumatlarge says before I PM my vote.
Please nobody accusation on Pandain until this is decided.
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I did my best for my glorious country
I hope you all have a fun game
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Well what am i supposed to say? There really isnt alot to go on unless there are clues. I didn't get any PMs from radfield, and everyone I got from padain I absolutely no reason to reply to. Im suspicious because I said I was confused? Who isn't?
Basically you are going on nothing. Congratulations town!
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On September 07 2010 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Well what am i supposed to say? There really isnt alot to go on unless there are clues. I didn't get any PMs from radfield, and everyone I got from padain I absolutely no reason to reply to. Im suspicious because I said I was confused? Who isn't?
Basically you are going on nothing. Congratulations town!
Except we're not going on nothing . You haven't contributed at all, hardly post anything more than one sentence, and are just generally different from your townie playstyle.
guys, in addition I'm thinking with almost certainly no NKVD we should just start lynching everyone we can. I mean, as of now it's just a death row to Armageddon. And the more we wait through the nights, the more townies will die. We should act now, while we have a better chance.
With the NKVD at least we had a chance of slowly getting town circles and managing to win that way. Right now, I think we should abuse the multiple lynches per day thing as much as possible.
Thoughts?
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Oh I apologize for not contributing as much as you pandain. How about we kill myself pandain and divinek. Id be ok with that.
##Accuse Divinek
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On September 07 2010 10:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh I apologize for not contributing as much as you pandain. How about we kill myself pandain and divinek. Id be ok with that.
##Accuse Divinek
What the fadoodle are you doing man. Seriously, now your just throwing out accusations without any reasons why. At least do the mercy of the trial portion :p.
If your really town, stop and think about what your doing and how you can help.
But if your mafia, as I think you are, then you wouldn't care so go along.
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On September 07 2010 10:28 Bill Murray wrote:
I did my best for my glorious country
I hope you all have a fun game
I swear this is BM saying that he left us a clue in his posts
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Why are we attacking Bum?
First of all. Just because Radfield accused him, doesn't mean that Radfield is right.
In Mafia XXX, I sent a PM to Bum, saying that I was going to get killed (And I was killed) and I thought Foolishness was mafia. I was wrong.
Give me a better reason than "hasn't made any good posts". Seriously, it's hard finding something to talk about. I have difficulty at the start of every game because it's too early to analyze incentives. Give him a few days.
##Support bumatlarge
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On September 07 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Why are we attacking Bum?
First of all. Just because Radfield accused him, doesn't mean that Radfield is right.
In Mafia XXX, I sent a PM to Bum, saying that I was going to get killed (And I was killed) and I thought Foolishness was mafia. I was wrong.
Give me a better reason than "hasn't made any good posts". Seriously, it's hard finding something to talk about. I have difficulty at the start of every game because it's too early to analyze incentives. Give him a few days.
##Support bumatlarge
You have to remember, three people died last night. And there's no telling if three more will die the next night. We have to start lynching people, and Bum seems like the most viable person to. In addition to being suspected by Radfield( and the opinion of a confirmed Radfield is one I value the most), he has been useless this game and different from when he plays as town(take last game, much more contributive and active.) His posts entirely consist of one liners and is generally the epitome of either typical mafia or the useless townie. Either way, the safest lynch. What do you suggest? We don't lynch anyone?
Unless you propose a new lynch, I'm sticking with Bumatlarge.
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On September 07 2010 11:10 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 11:06 LSB wrote:
Why are we attacking Bum?
First of all. Just because Radfield accused him, doesn't mean that Radfield is right.
In Mafia XXX, I sent a PM to Bum, saying that I was going to get killed (And I was killed) and I thought Foolishness was mafia. I was wrong.
Give me a better reason than "hasn't made any good posts". Seriously, it's hard finding something to talk about. I have difficulty at the start of every game because it's too early to analyze incentives. Give him a few days.
##Support bumatlarge You have to remember, three people died last night. And there's no telling if three more will die the next night. We have to start lynching people, and Bum seems like the most viable person to. In addition to being suspected by Radfield( and the opinion of a confirmed Radfield is one I value the most), he has been useless this game and different from when he plays as town(take last game, much more contributive and active.) His posts entirely consist of one liners and is generally the epitome of either typical mafia or the useless townie. Either way, the safest lynch. What do you suggest? We don't lynch anyone? Unless you propose a new lynch, I'm sticking with Bumatlarge.
I suggest that we discuss this for a while, I'll start an accusation before the day is over, giving us another 12 hours as we discuss the person that I will accuse
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well the only way to really get anything going is to accuse people soooo yeah.
i hope everyone is aware that once an accusation goes up, you PM caller your vote on that accusation
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On September 07 2010 10:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh I apologize for not contributing as much as you pandain. How about we kill myself pandain and divinek. Id be ok with that.
##Accuse Divinek
hey look an omgus reaction. Of course we have nothing to go on, how are we supposed to have anything? Our only power like role that we know of just died, so we have no idea if we'll ever have anything to go on. So we might as well start generating some discussion.
Sitting back quietly and saying nothing is exactly what those capitalist scum want to happen
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The other 'safe' lynching option is Xelin.
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Whoa whoa whoa! Guys, be careful this is the last thing we want. Accusations flying everywhere is just great for the scum.
A few things so far:
-How many people were PMing Radfield, and what were his opinions? I was talking to him a fair bit and he never mentioned to me that bum was being scummy. I'm not saying Pandain is lying, I just want to know if he mentioned his suspicions of bum to anyone else.
-Pandain is tunnelling pretty hard.
-Bum suggested we kill Pandain, divinek AND himself. Why?
-We don't know exactly what role south was. Was he, as someone suggested, a weak medic role of some sort?
I've got to go to work, but I'll be back to talk a bit more on some of the accusations.
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since when am I a safe lynching option? other than being slightly inactive in the early stages.
don't get me wrong im not suggesting there is better candidates but explain why im the "safe" option.
Also pandain why the no PM respond!
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From the op, SR was a red army officer (vanilla town)
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On September 07 2010 13:29 XeliN wrote:
since when am I a safe lynching option? other than being slightly inactive in the early stages.
don't get me wrong im not suggesting there is better candidates but explain why im the "safe" option.
Also pandain why the no PM respond!
im reminded of a game where you were a suicide bomber. And now you only start to talk AFTER someone says 'hmm good lynch option'
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why are people not publically voting on this accusation. Or are they waiting but dont realize days are rather short
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On September 07 2010 14:01 LSB wrote:
From the op, SR was a red army officer (vanilla town)
Oh I missed that. So we have no idea how he died still.
We know there are 3 killing roles or 3KP maf or a combination of the two. Hopefully at least one death was as a result of a town sided role, or we could be in big trouble.
We need to be extremely careful and prolong this day as much as possible, nights seem to be lethal. Hopefully there won't be 3 deaths every night, but if that is the case, we are looking at:
Day 1 15 alive
Day 2 12 alive
Day 3 less than 9 alive if we lynch. If there are 4 maf (unlikely, probably 3) then game is over at this point if no maf are dead.
Day 4 less than 6 alive if we lynch. Almost certainly game over now.
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The key is to keep on extending the day, comerads, we must save our accusations to give us time!
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On September 07 2010 13:24 deconduo wrote:
-How many people were PMing Radfield, and what were his opinions? I was talking to him a fair bit and he never mentioned to me that bum was being scummy. I'm not saying Pandain is lying, I just want to know if he mentioned his suspicions of bum to anyone else.
Reading back over I see that ~Opz~ got a message from Radfield too about bum.
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On September 07 2010 13:29 XeliN wrote:
since when am I a safe lynching option? other than being slightly inactive in the early stages.
don't get me wrong im not suggesting there is better candidates but explain why im the "safe" option.
Also pandain why the no PM respond!
"Slightly" inactive?
You had 1 post since Day 1 began, this is your second post all game. You have basically said and done nothing for almost 72 hours, and that is why it's safe to lynch you.
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On September 07 2010 14:06 Divinek wrote:
why are people not publically voting on this accusation. Or are they waiting but dont realize days are rather short
From what I can see Pandain wants to lynch bum but LSB is defending him.
I'm going to vote no on Divinek and yes on bumatlarge.
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Oh also how much time do we have left in Day 1? 12 hours-ish?
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ugh i keep forgetting to consolidate my thoughts.
The following posters have yet to make an appearance during Day 2:
zeks (most inactive player in the game)
Hesmyrr
lakrismamma
rastaban
You guys all need to start speaking up.
I know it's Labor Day weekend so some people probably have a valid excuse for being afk, but cmon now
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On September 07 2010 14:05 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:29 XeliN wrote:
since when am I a safe lynching option? other than being slightly inactive in the early stages.
don't get me wrong im not suggesting there is better candidates but explain why im the "safe" option.
Also pandain why the no PM respond! im reminded of a game where you were a suicide bomber. And now you only start to talk AFTER someone says 'hmm good lynch option'
lol yes how suspicious my act of asking "why am i a safe lynch option" to someone who has just suggested I am is, it really is reminiscient of someone with a mafia agenda, it just isn't plausible that a town aligned player would decide to post in the thread once someone has called them out on inactivity to the extent where they suggest you as a safe lynch.
I haven't posted much because there seemed hardly anything to say.
I was contemplating writing a post about Southrawrea. his lynch seemed unusual to me, he doesn't seem the type of player that would be first killed by mafia, but it just seems to likely that the reason he was killed was because the manner in which he was posting made it seem like he might have a power role. Still would be worthwhile anaylsing his posts for anything that might inspire his killing, but i am almost set on him being lynched purely on power role suspicion (although it could easily be a combination of the two so going over his posts would be prudent)
Im posting this after just finishing an epic gaming session of almost wowesque nerdism so going to go over this thread properly either now or after i wake up. The idea there might be clues is cool and if so I think we should be paying alot of attention to them. That is only if it is true there are clues however, afaik caller hasn't confirmed and nothing has been written on it in the OP.
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I will be voting to lynch bumatlarge....
Atleast it will give us something.
And yes, Radfield was pming me suspicion of bumatlarge, although I don't feel there was much to go on. It reminds me of TL Mafia XXX when I suggested lynching bum to the circle I was in. Bum is posting, but look at last game, and XXX, he is posting similarly to XXX and not to last game. I feel he is a good lynch. Also, townies should not throw accusations out just because they have been accused. Plead your cases, don't just throw at an accusation at your accuser.
Depending on what he flips, we will need to evaluate our decision. If day comes near ending, I will night mind accusing someone, or being accused.
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Also, a very important thing to note. We should definitely lynch all inactives. Due to mafia being able to vote in the dark, they have no reason to build cases. They can sit and be quiet all game, and just PM caller yes votes.
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On September 07 2010 16:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Also, a very important thing to note. We should definitely lynch all inactives. Due to mafia being able to vote in the dark, they have no reason to build cases. They can sit and be quiet all game, and just PM caller yes votes.
I woudn't go that far, but I do agree we should be putting on much more pressure.
On another note, I think I will be voting yes to the bumatlarge lynch and no to the Divinek lynch.
I feel like theres not enough evidence to support a lynch against Divinek. From what I can see, the only thing against him is the fact that he assumed Red corpse = mafia as opposed to town. While it is suspicious that he wouldn't question it if he got a Red role PM, I don't think its enough to lynch him just yet. I would keep a very close watch on what he's voting, who he wants to lynch and who he is defending, especially if bumatlarge flips town.
Bumatlarge I feel is our best choice at the moment. Radfield told 2 people to consider lynching him if he died during the night, which he did. Not only that, but when Divinek accused him he instantly OMGUSed, saying he'd be happy to die if he takes down Divinek and Pandain with him. This is not pro-town behaviour.
Bum's posts:
+ Show Spoiler +Day 1: + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades? On September 05 2010 13:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Can only red army officers make accusations? First is a pretty pointless 1 liner, but it does poke a bit a Hesmyrr for no reason. Could just be for fun. Second post is much more interesting, almost suggestiong he's not a red army officer. Considering 1 NKVD is dead and we have no idea if we even have more, this sets off alarm bells for me. Night 1: + Show Spoiler +On September 06 2010 06:49 bumatlarge wrote:
What the balls is going on. At least south was vanilla(?), but Im pretty lost comrades. And I doubt anyone but caller could make sense of it. We kinda need to kill someone tomorrow. On September 06 2010 08:29 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's kill pandain. His name sounds like a pair of pants, and he just made advances on me via PM. On September 06 2010 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
But do bum's come one to you out of depression? (not literally...) First and third are meaningless again I think. Second, wants to lynch pandain. Now, I'm quite suspicious of Pandain myself at the moment, but bum gives no legitimate reasons apart from 'making advances via PM' This is another scum mark in my book. Day 2: + Show Spoiler +On September 07 2010 10:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Well what am i supposed to say? There really isnt alot to go on unless there are clues. I didn't get any PMs from radfield, and everyone I got from padain I absolutely no reason to reply to. Im suspicious because I said I was confused? Who isn't?
Basically you are going on nothing. Congratulations town! On September 07 2010 10:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh I apologize for not contributing as much as you pandain. How about we kill myself pandain and divinek. Id be ok with that.
##Accuse Divinek He's put on trial by Pandain, and rather than defending himself he goes on an all out offensive. When he is accused by Divinek for this, he immediately accuses back. Calls town idiots basically. Summary: Not looking healthy for Bumatlarge in my opinion. He's quick to lash out at people and has given quite a few scum signs. I do think this is a good lynch.
A few people I'm wary of right now as well:
Pandain - Giving off a scummy vibe, seems to be PMing everyone from what I can tell. Might just be overeager, but definitely needs to be watched.
Divinek - Don't think he should be lynched today, but I do think keeping an eye on him is a good idea.
Rastaban - Lurking
Hesmyrr - Lurking + some scummy stuff day 1
Zeks - Hardcore lurking, likely to be modkilled possibly?
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On September 07 2010 14:38 Infundibulum wrote:
ugh i keep forgetting to consolidate my thoughts.
The following posters have yet to make an appearance during Day 2:
zeks (most inactive player in the game)
Hesmyrr
lakrismamma
rastaban
You guys all need to start speaking up.
I know it's Labor Day weekend so some people probably have a valid excuse for being afk, but cmon now
Fair enough!
On September 07 2010 08:26 LSB wrote:Only problem with Pandian Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).
Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.
Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles. Pandain PMed Caller to see if the Mafia have any KP. This means either A) Pandain is mafia and trying to make up some reason that will get us not to think he is mafia B) Pandain is town and was confused
I believe Pandain is town he has written useful posts, and that he even asks Caller means that he is more likely town than not. That the town is confused is allright because it is a confusing game and the rules was not clear in the begining.
On September 07 2010 08:51 Divinek wrote:i most definitely support this trial. I always assume if bum is on the evil side im gonna die night one, but i suppose that is less likely when they have a lower kp, and last game he didnt even want me to die . It's weird he pushes for my lynch all the time when he's town but never kills me as mafia. He always posts stupid innocuous posts that dont really say much, but make it look like he's here. Like once a day. But when the fire is on his ass he starts talking up so yes. But for actual reasoning, he acts like the typical confused mafia, and does a little light fanning of flames like lets kill Y! etc ##Accuse BumatLargeI dont think it's too likely we had more than one nkvd... sad times.
I agree that bum hasn't been very useful so far (neither have I ) I don't think he has acted very scummy but he is usually more helpful I believe.
I think he is a good lynch. What makes me vote yes is this.
On September 07 2010 10:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh I apologize for not contributing as much as you pandain. How about we kill myself pandain and divinek. Id be ok with that.
##Accuse Divinek
You know better than to accuse someone without a motivation. The thing about not knowing what the color red means is an indication but I think we need more than that.
On September 07 2010 14:05 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 13:29 XeliN wrote:
since when am I a safe lynching option? other than being slightly inactive in the early stages.
don't get me wrong im not suggesting there is better candidates but explain why im the "safe" option.
Also pandain why the no PM respond! im reminded of a game where you were a suicide bomber. And now you only start to talk AFTER someone says 'hmm good lynch option'
I agree Xelin is acting vey much alike the game when he was the suicide bomber. But lets take one step at the time. It doesent help if we throw too many accusations around at the same time. If bums lynch doesnt go through then I think that Xelin is a decent alternative to prlong the time.
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Also I got some PMs from radfield but im gonna wait and see if I post them.
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Very good post, forgot to add Xelin to my FoS list.
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On September 07 2010 07:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 13:31 Bill Murray wrote:
I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain
I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that
I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ Or possibly Pandain....Yes... ##Trial Pandain
## Accuse Pandain
I am going to support this. I have felt he has been playing different this game. He has been town in all the games I have played with him, and it is usually fairly obvious. This game he has been different, the biggest thing that stands out to me is that he is not looking for or pushing for town plans. He is a player who loves town plans and usually has some of his own, they range from bad to good, but he always at least propose them. I haven't seen him pushing for any plans this game. This ontop of others suspicions makes me agree this is probably a good lynch
I will Vote for Bum but not for Div. Not sure I agree with the bum hit, but I want to see if we get the information immediately so we can sue it according to our next lynch.
last thing, there is the possibility we could end this game without another night phase. I see now that it is very important that we act while we can. We were lax yesterday like capitalist swine, but we must now work my brothers. We can learn much from our lynches and it seems that the night is filled with woe. We may very well be only able to survive 1 or 2 more nights if the enemy is so armed every night with three kills.
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So far:
Supporting bumatlarge lynch:
Divinek(Accuser)
Deconduo
Rastaban
lakrismamma
Pandain (Not too sure about this yet, but seeing as Pandain put him on trial...)
~OPZ~
Against bumatlarge lynch:
LSB(possibly, supported him but didn't declare a vote yet)
Supporting Divinek Lynch:
bumatlarge (Accuser)
Against Divinek Lynch:
deconduo
rastaban
lakrismamma
Supporting Pandain Lynch:
rastaban (Accuser)
bumatlarge(Just assuming again for now, nothing declared yet)
~OPZ~ (another assumption)
Against Pandain Lynch:
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I'd appreciate it if people would post their votes as soon as they decide, and also to correct me if I have anything down thats wrong. Anyone not declaring their votes is being very very suspicous. Lurking is not an excuse. Don't forget you can abstain, but you also need to declare that.
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As for me, I don't think that both pandain and bumatlarge could be maf, bussing like that would be kind of dumb imo. I'm going to vote no on the Pandain lynch. Again, I'm not saying I believe Pandain is town, I just think that we should wait to see what bum flips first as it looks like he is going to get lynched.
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On September 07 2010 23:23 deconduo wrote:
As for me, I don't think that both pandain and bumatlarge could be maf, bussing like that would be kind of dumb imo. I'm going to vote no on the Pandain lynch. Again, I'm not saying I believe Pandain is town, I just think that we should wait to see what bum flips first as it looks like he is going to get lynched.
This is probably wise play, since the pandain trial has just started we can wait till bum flips (if he gets enough votes) and then try and move from there.
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More than 12 hours have elapsed. I am a bad mod.
Bumatlarge is to be executed. Execution will take place immediately.
Pending Judgements:
Pandain-10 or so hours remaining.
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Execution:
Bumatlarge was shot through the head. Quite painless when one considers how everybody else so far has died. If you haven't done so I advise doing so.
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On September 08 2010 00:55 Caller wrote:
Execution:
Bumatlarge was shot through the head. Quite painless when one considers how everybody else so far has died. If you haven't done so I advise doing so.
Ok thats a clear indication to start looking for clues in the death messages. Lets get cracking.
Also I have to say I'm pretty shocked at bum turning out to be a townie.
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The night had hardly begun when a scream was heard in the distance. They found SouthRawrea, horribly mauled, lying on the ground wearing nothing but a pair of shorts. Upon further investigation it appeared he had suffocated from having something heavy on his chest.
Radfield died with a blade in his side,
while Bill Murray collapsed, his veins devoid of red.
Not really much to go on
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Anyone who is still lurking needs to get their ass into the game, we're dropping like flies.
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unfortunate that we lost another brother in this hunt, but we must all be willing to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the collective.
Bumatlarge Waggon
Divinek(Accuser)
Deconduo
Rastaban
lakrismamma
Pandain (Not too sure about this yet, but seeing as Pandain put him on trial...)
~OPZ~
Let us Divinek from this what we can.
1. This the votes above are 1 short of a majority, there is at least 1 undeclared vote that was placed on him.
2. We learned immediately his role (good to know).
3. It was highly unlikely him and Pandain were both enemies of the state so his loyalty, means Pandain is not cleared. I think we should proceed with the Pandain lynch.
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On September 08 2010 01:22 rastaban wrote: unfortunate that we lost another brother in this hunt, but we must all be willing to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the collective. Bumatlarge WaggonDivinek(Accuser) Deconduo Rastaban lakrismamma Pandain (Not too sure about this yet, but seeing as Pandain put him on trial...) ~OPZ~ Let us Divinek from this what we can. 1. This the votes above are 1 short of a majority, there is at least 1 undeclared vote that was placed on him. 2. We learned immediately his role (good to know). 3. It was highly unlikely him and Pandain were both enemies of the state so his loyalty, means Pandain is not cleared. I think we should proceed with the Pandain lynch.
I've already voted no for the Pandain lynch, but I'm going to see if we're allowed change that now. The biggest thing that worries me is if Pandain is also town. Then we are 5 down going into a night phase that will possibly leave us on lylo if not worse. The number of people lurking is seriously pissing me off as well, especially if they are town. They are being a severe hinderance to us because of the hidden votes. The way this game is going, we will probably lose because of them.
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That was bad I thought we had something.
On September 07 2010 23:02 rastaban wrote:
## Accuse Pandain
I am going to support this. I have felt he has been playing different this game. He has been town in all the games I have played with him, and it is usually fairly obvious. This game he has been different, the biggest thing that stands out to me is that he is not looking for or pushing for town plans. He is a player who loves town plans and usually has some of his own, they range from bad to good, but he always at least propose them. I haven't seen him pushing for any plans this game. This ontop of others suspicions makes me agree this is probably a good lynch
I will Vote for Bum but not for Div. Not sure I agree with the bum hit, but I want to see if we get the information immediately so we can sue it according to our next lynch.
last thing, there is the possibility we could end this game without another night phase. I see now that it is very important that we act while we can. We were lax yesterday like capitalist swine, but we must now work my brothers. We can learn much from our lynches and it seems that the night is filled with woe. We may very well be only able to survive 1 or 2 more nights if the enemy is so armed every night with three kills.
That is interesting because I thought he played the same. But you are right about the plans. I want Pandain to explain himself. We are not in a hurry since we still have 9 hours before the lynchtime is up. I think that we should wait with the votes until Pandain has had a chance to defend himself.
I'm looking for the clues in peoples profiles right now, I think everyone should do the same.
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On September 08 2010 01:34 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 01:22 rastaban wrote: unfortunate that we lost another brother in this hunt, but we must all be willing to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the collective. Bumatlarge WaggonDivinek(Accuser) Deconduo Rastaban lakrismamma Pandain (Not too sure about this yet, but seeing as Pandain put him on trial...) ~OPZ~ Let us Divinek from this what we can. 1. This the votes above are 1 short of a majority, there is at least 1 undeclared vote that was placed on him. 2. We learned immediately his role (good to know). 3. It was highly unlikely him and Pandain were both enemies of the state so his loyalty, means Pandain is not cleared. I think we should proceed with the Pandain lynch. I've already voted no for the Pandain lynch, but I'm going to see if we're allowed change that now. The biggest thing that worries me is if Pandain is also town. Then we are 5 down going into a night phase that will possibly leave us on lylo if not worse. The number of people lurking is seriously pissing me off as well, especially if they are town. They are being a severe hinderance to us because of the hidden votes. The way this game is going, we will probably lose because of them.
It also makes it hard for us to know if they are being active or not, since we can't tell if they are refreshing and just voting in the different groups when they come up.
One thing to add, I have never played in a game with clues before but the "Horribly Mauled" and the Large Thing on his chest could have been a reference to a panda. It might be a reach though, since I have no idea how obvious or vague these things tend to be. I have tried going through some player profiles to look for clues but that is the only one that stood out to me so far.
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Since I have kind of gone all out in support of this lynch I will add this PM conversation I had with Pandain. it is pretty short and he does explain a little why he was against the plan but also continues to have other vague issues. Even if the trial part of the plan had problems I would have thought he would latch on to the original idea of posting your reason for voting.
(I have inserted Names and post order into the PMs because I know I have a horrible time following them when they are posted in threads)
Pandain - 3
I'm going to admit i also misunderstood your argument. I thought you just wanted to have seperate posts by one person that normally woudl just happen in one.
But anyway I'm just worried, wouldn't this stop scum hunting from its full potential. I mean, I know there have been numerous times where a town won just because one guy just pounded mafia over and over and managed to convince everyone. It just seems to me that scum won't really even need to invest two people regardless.
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Rastaban - 2
Original Message:
I must admit, I did not really understand your argument. I must be up front and admit that I am a member of the greatest communist power known. The Swarm. I give all to the queen and in return she satisfies all of my needs. As she says "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need". It seems to me that the hive-mind is much better than each working on his own. Why do I need individual thought when the collectives mind is far superior.
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Pandain - 1
Original Message:
Dear Fellow Comrade Rastaban,
At our last meeting I talked to you about my worry that your plan may be too thin, that we will be unable to find the liars, thus negating the whole point of your plan in the first point. Did you understand my point? I'm sorry I had to leave, but as you know I had some personal troubles with Comrade BumatLarge
Sincerely, Pandain
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Ok, confirmation from caller that we can change votes. I've changed to be in favour of a Pandain lynch. That Panda clue sounds pretty good as well.
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I have come across some additional information on Pandain as well. I don't want to make it public, so PM me if you are not convinced yet and need more persuasion.
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-_- First, I know I am playing this game. I do not need to come to the site after university lectures only to have multiple people messaging me about why I am not posting much.
Shocked that mafia have two KP; that seems like pretty good reason to not let the game enter the night phase by best extent of our abilities. Also strongly suggests it wasn't mafia who killed SR since if there are additional mafia KP role I don't see him using it much early.
I'll quickly read through the thread to see the case against Pandain.
Also, is anyone here have any profile & pic related to the pandas? I am curious because that seemed to come out of nowhere.
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On September 08 2010 02:14 Hesmyrr wrote:
-_- First, I know I am playing this game. I do not need to come to the site after university lectures only to have multiple people messaging me about why I am not posting much.
Shocked that mafia have two KP; that seems like pretty good reason to not let the game enter the night phase by best extent of our abilities. Also strongly suggests it wasn't mafia who killed SR since if there are additional mafia KP role I don't see him using it much early.
I'll quickly read through the thread to see the case against Pandain.
Also, is anyone here have any profile & pic related to the pandas? I am curious because that seemed to come out of nowhere.
Pandain is well known as the panda. Read through his post history, he often refferences himself as such.
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Sorry to spam, but I decided to provide some quotes in case others were confused as well. I thought it was more commonly known.
From this Game
On August 31 2010 02:26 Pandain wrote:
Can you include a role called The Hungry Panda, and you have the ability to eat a person during the night, but can only use the ability once.
Or am I reaching too high for the skies here?
And 1 from last game
On August 25 2010 11:45 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 11:39 Divinek wrote:
kill: bill murray
well now that's out of the way lets get this show on the road Bill Murray, Mafia RoleBlocker, is now dead No , I'm kidding. That was just stupid. Seriously, I'm such a sad panda. Though I did laugh
Wow actually reading that makes me wonder if Caller did add that role in since it fits perfectly lol.
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That's an actually convincing clue, but that means Pandain killed the SR? That makes me confused b/c I thought the mafia killed Radfield and BM. So he's either mafia KP role/town vigilante/third party. I actually want to hear a role claim from first before voting.
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On September 08 2010 02:25 rastaban wrote:Sorry to spam, but I decided to provide some quotes in case others were confused as well. I thought it was more commonly known. From this GameShow nested quote +On August 31 2010 02:26 Pandain wrote:
Can you include a role called The Hungry Panda, and you have the ability to eat a person during the night, but can only use the ability once.
Or am I reaching too high for the skies here? Wow actually reading that makes me wonder if Caller did add that role in since it fits perfectly lol.
HOLY SHIT!
Pandain actually did kill southrawrea. Fucking hell lol.
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OMG CALLER ACTUALLY PUT IT IN!!!!!
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Caller might have done that. But it does not tell if panda is a mafia or not. He might be town and just killed someone on random the first night.
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On September 08 2010 03:08 lakrismamma wrote:
Caller might have done that. But it does not tell if panda is a mafia or not. He might be town and just killed someone on random the first night.
Which is why I am currently asking for the roleclaim. It makes more sense as Vigilante, though you never know with the Caller.
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Also mad props to rastaband for catching that as well.
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I want to add that in about 6 hours or so, unless we have a likely second candidate, some one should Accuse me (and hopefully everyone votes no ) because otherwise we will go straight to night time as I believe the 24 hour min. will be past. I would like for us to have time to analyze how he flips and if/when he is the enemy we can then see if we can use that to find others. Since this was my accusation I won't be able to do it.
One last clue, related to death, but not SRs. Bill Murray died, but I think he left us a key clue. Not in his accusations though, because while he accused Pandain, he also accused SR and myself. Now I don't know 100%, and maybe this can be confirmed/denied by a revealed blue at a later point, but since The hit went through before day break it is possible that the other roles did too, with only the global KP waiting till day break. If we find this to be true, shortly after SRs death (when perhaps the earlier night actions were resolved) we have Bill call Opz "Comrade" and agrees with his opinion on pandain. I think that it is highly likely he was checked and came up clean if we find out later that night actions are resolved ahead of time. Just something to keep in mind. As BM said, he did all that he could for the motherland.
I am headed back to work from lunch now, but I will try and keep tabs in case anyone has questions or PMs for me.
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On September 08 2010 03:13 deconduo wrote:
Also mad props to rastaband for catching that as well.
Thanks.
On September 08 2010 03:08 lakrismamma wrote:
Caller might have done that. But it does not tell if panda is a mafia or not. He might be town and just killed someone on random the first night.
I thought the same thing, but I dug deeper and found these right after the hit.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2010 05:08 Pandain wrote:
Pandain had invited SouthRawrea for a cup of tea in his quaint humble home. That's how it started at least. They had ended up together by the campfire, reading stories to each other. And as Pandain and South both reached for the same cup of tea, they paused. They looked at each other, their lips inches apart... their faces grew close... closer.... and later that night all South had was a pair of shorts.
Pandain remembered fervently now... his door was slammed into the ground, they grabbed South, put a bag over Pandain's head, and Pandain screamed as they beat him, they suffocated him, they stabbed him, and eventually choked him to death.
Then they left Pandain, unconscious, as he woke up the next morning to find South on the ground, a pile of blood everywhere, dead.
Pandain leaned over his body, kissed his mauled face softly, and wept.
And he swore he would get revenge
My SFA friend...no....
Well this means either
1. Mafia have a kp role as well as their additional kill each night.
2. Town has a kp role and someone used it.
We can expect two deaths today my friends. On September 06 2010 07:00 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 06:53 Radfield wrote:On September 06 2010 04:28 Caller wrote:
News Flash
The night had hardly begun when a scream was heard in the distance. They found SouthRawrea, horribly mauled, lying on the ground wearing nothing but a pair of shorts. Upon further investigation it appeared he had suffocated from having something heavy on his chest. Clues? Clues.... 3 clues to go with 3 likely scum? We need Chez to make sense of this. Or the dude who figured out all the mafia on Day 1 from the clues but no one listened to him. Well I already explained the shorts.... But I don't think it can really tell us anything other than the fact that it was a kp role. Perhaps it can tell us the specifics of the role (aka Mauler or Comp Vig for example) but other than that, the point remains the same... Theres a monster among us.
I would be more inclined to believe the role exists and someone else has it than that pandain is one of us and has the role. He used the one time power, he should have claimed it here if he was town ass div did last game. You gain nothing by trying to cover it up unless you are mafia.
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I agree with Hesmyrr that the SR kill is most likely town or 3rd party.
I don't really see the Panda part of the death though. To me the important part seems to be the "something heavy on his chest."
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Why must everyone be hatin on the pandas.
It's annoying (and very bad) that BumatLarge was town, but I still stand by my decision. As well as apparently ~6 other people with me. BumAtLarge was playing very differently from his normal playstyle, and based on this and Radfield's suscipsion I thought he was our best lynch.
If you're going to lynch me because of this, I beg you to see reason.
On September 07 2010 23:02 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 07:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:On September 06 2010 13:31 Bill Murray wrote:
I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain
I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that
I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ Or possibly Pandain....Yes... ##Trial Pandain ## Accuse Pandain I am going to support this. I have felt he has been playing different this game. He has been town in all the games I have played with him, and it is usually fairly obvious. This game he has been different, the biggest thing that stands out to me is that he is not looking for or pushing for town plans. He is a player who loves town plans and usually has some of his own, they range from bad to good, but he always at least propose them. I haven't seen him pushing for any plans this game. This ontop of others suspicions makes me agree this is probably a good lynch I will Vote for Bum but not for Div. Not sure I agree with the bum hit, but I want to see if we get the information immediately so we can sue it according to our next lynch. last thing, there is the possibility we could end this game without another night phase. I see now that it is very important that we act while we can. We were lax yesterday like capitalist swine, but we must now work my brothers. We can learn much from our lynches and it seems that the night is filled with woe. We may very well be only able to survive 1 or 2 more nights if the enemy is so armed every night with three kills.
Alright first of all, I was mentioning this to someone in PMs, one of the reasons I am not proposing plans is because it's almost impossible actually formulate one! Think about it: Our NKVD is dead, we have NO idea about the other roles, and any of my plans revolved around using special roles. That's why I'm not formulating plans.
On September 08 2010 01:42 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 01:34 deconduo wrote:On September 08 2010 01:22 rastaban wrote: unfortunate that we lost another brother in this hunt, but we must all be willing to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the collective. Bumatlarge WaggonDivinek(Accuser) Deconduo Rastaban lakrismamma Pandain (Not too sure about this yet, but seeing as Pandain put him on trial...) ~OPZ~ Let us Divinek from this what we can. 1. This the votes above are 1 short of a majority, there is at least 1 undeclared vote that was placed on him. 2. We learned immediately his role (good to know). 3. It was highly unlikely him and Pandain were both enemies of the state so his loyalty, means Pandain is not cleared. I think we should proceed with the Pandain lynch. I've already voted no for the Pandain lynch, but I'm going to see if we're allowed change that now. The biggest thing that worries me is if Pandain is also town. Then we are 5 down going into a night phase that will possibly leave us on lylo if not worse. The number of people lurking is seriously pissing me off as well, especially if they are town. They are being a severe hinderance to us because of the hidden votes. The way this game is going, we will probably lose because of them. It also makes it hard for us to know if they are being active or not, since we can't tell if they are refreshing and just voting in the different groups when they come up. One thing to add, I have never played in a game with clues before but the "Horribly Mauled" and the Large Thing on his chest could have been a reference to a panda. It might be a reach though, since I have no idea how obvious or vague these things tend to be. I have tried going through some player profiles to look for clues but that is the only one that stood out to me so far.
What the fadoodle? Seriously? First of all, pandas are peaceful(they eat bamboo you know :p) Second of all, that's going way too far. Random speculation is not ftw. Omg... I was going to laugh but I realized I could die because of this.
And whats this with Caller actually putting in The Hungry Panda? Do you guys actually believe any of this? Seriously?
And I would NEVER kill SR, he was my SFA member. Anyone who knows me should know that for a fact.
So right now, unless you guys have any more real evidence, I don't see why I'm on death's row. If I do die, I want everyone looking at Rastaban closely because he's been speculating like crazy.
Omg.... do you guys really think Caller would totally alter the balance of the game and put in The Hungry Panda. Though I would <3 him forever if he did, that is simply not the case. Please, people Of Soviet Liquidville, use reason.
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On September 08 2010 02:08 rastaban wrote:
I have come across some additional information on Pandain as well. I don't want to make it public, so PM me if you are not convinced yet and need more persuasion.
And what is this additional information? Please...share it. Or why would you not want it public?
Give me a chance to defend myself at least.
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Seriously, I just had a bad day today and I want to lay down the Panda Smackdown on some people.
So come at me with your evidence, I'll rebute it. Then perhaps some people will use their minds.
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I am voting for Pandain lynch. He just slipped up in PM conversation with me and I am sure he is SK.
at least 2 kp
1 mafia
1 hungry panda
seriously, looking two much into this.
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Original Message:
You yourself said on that post that when conceptualizing The Hungry Panda that it will be only be able to use it's ability one time. Where did the at least 2 KP come from? It only makes sense if you think the role can make a kill every night. I am now completely sure you are SK who slipped up.
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with what?
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I'm sorry, but I am going to have to come forward with this.
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Well? What do you think about me?
Still don't see how ANYONE could think Caller would just put in The Hungry Panda at the last second. If he did put it in there like I described it, then there would be at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.
THAT IS NOT BALANCED!
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On September 08 2010 04:02 Hesmyrr wrote:I am voting for Pandain lynch. He just slipped up in PM conversation with me and I am sure he is SK. Show nested quote +at least 2 kp
1 mafia
1 hungry panda
seriously, looking two much into this.
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Original Message:
You yourself said on that post that when conceptualizing The Hungry Panda that it will be only be able to use it's ability one time. Where did the at least 2 KP come from? It only makes sense if you think the role can make a kill every night. I am now completely sure you are SK who slipped up.
gg
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with what?
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I'm sorry, but I am going to have to come forward with this.
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Well? What do you think about me?
Still don't see how ANYONE could think Caller would just put in The Hungry Panda at the last second. If he did put it in there like I described it, then there would be at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.
THAT IS NOT BALANCED!
SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS
*takes a deep breath*
THIS is what I call not logical.
1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda
1 kp from mafia
1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths
Panda Smack down has been delivered.
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Oh look i died. I hope mafia wins.
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On September 08 2010 04:03 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh look i died. I hope mafia wins.
If they lynch me they probably will.
Use reason, people. Not rampant blind speculation, which truly is all that's been thrown against me.
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On September 08 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 04:02 Hesmyrr wrote:I am voting for Pandain lynch. He just slipped up in PM conversation with me and I am sure he is SK. at least 2 kp
1 mafia
1 hungry panda
seriously, looking two much into this.
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You yourself said on that post that when conceptualizing The Hungry Panda that it will be only be able to use it's ability one time. Where did the at least 2 KP come from? It only makes sense if you think the role can make a kill every night. I am now completely sure you are SK who slipped up.
gg
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with what?
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I'm sorry, but I am going to have to come forward with this.
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Well? What do you think about me?
Still don't see how ANYONE could think Caller would just put in The Hungry Panda at the last second. If he did put it in there like I described it, then there would be at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.
THAT IS NOT BALANCED! SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS *takes a deep breath* THIS is what I call not logical. 1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda 1 kp from mafia 1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths Panda Smack down has been delivered.
I think it is a 1 off ability, if he really could hit every night 3 KP would be crazy! of course there could be an SK but I think it would be more likely that his KP would be one of the 2 that occurred at day break. This seemed more like a one shot ability than something that could be repetitively used.
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How can you people honestly vote me because of this?
You're voting me because maybe Caller put in at the last second a ridiculous role? And also rastaban, according to my theoretical descrption, it was one kill a night.
In addition, I would like to remind people I would never kill SR.
Please everyone think about this for a second. You're accusing me of being a role that simply could not, and does not exist.
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On September 08 2010 04:09 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On September 08 2010 04:02 Hesmyrr wrote:I am voting for Pandain lynch. He just slipped up in PM conversation with me and I am sure he is SK. at least 2 kp
1 mafia
1 hungry panda
seriously, looking two much into this.
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You yourself said on that post that when conceptualizing The Hungry Panda that it will be only be able to use it's ability one time. Where did the at least 2 KP come from? It only makes sense if you think the role can make a kill every night. I am now completely sure you are SK who slipped up.
gg
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with what?
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I'm sorry, but I am going to have to come forward with this.
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Well? What do you think about me?
Still don't see how ANYONE could think Caller would just put in The Hungry Panda at the last second. If he did put it in there like I described it, then there would be at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.
THAT IS NOT BALANCED! SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS *takes a deep breath* THIS is what I call not logical. 1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda 1 kp from mafia 1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths Panda Smack down has been delivered. I think it is a 1 off ability, if he really could hit every night 3 KP would be crazy! of course there could be an SK but I think it would be more likely that his KP would be one of the 2 that occurred at day break. This seemed more like a one shot ability than something that could be repetitively used.
If it's a one shot then why hasn't the person come forward?
I'm not voting for Pandain, even if he is SK we need to kill mafia and not SK. Not sure why you guys are pushing this so hard all of a sudden.
And Hesmyrr, i think Pandain sent that PM to everybody.
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On September 08 2010 04:11 Pandain wrote:
How can you people honestly vote me because of this?
You're voting me because maybe Caller put in at the last second a ridiculous role? And also rastaban, according to my theoretical descrption, it was one kill a night.
In addition, I would like to remind people I would never kill SR.
Please everyone think about this for a second. You're accusing me of being a role that simply could not, and does not exist.
I am not saying you have that role, but it would be too funny if you did. I originally thought you were just straight up mafia, but now it seems you could be more or different. The panda bear role fitting perfectly was only something I found after I was convinced you were scum.
Also, saying that role was suggested at the last second is a little bit of a deception. Check the dates, you requested the role 5 days before the game started, he also received 2 additional sign ups to the game after he had enough. He certainly had the time and players to balance it if he needed to.
An SK makes the crazy amount of night KP a little more believable since otherwise night time is going to be murder for the town.
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So, is that the jist of why people want to lynch me?
Because I did the ##Trial (NOT even the accusation) and voted for him in addition with 6 other people or so?
Or that I may be a mysterious new role that Caller included at the last second which in addition to being ridiculous would seriously unbalance the game?
Please, let's start moving on and thinking about what to do.
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On September 08 2010 04:19 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 04:11 Pandain wrote:
How can you people honestly vote me because of this?
You're voting me because maybe Caller put in at the last second a ridiculous role? And also rastaban, according to my theoretical descrption, it was one kill a night.
In addition, I would like to remind people I would never kill SR.
Please everyone think about this for a second. You're accusing me of being a role that simply could not, and does not exist. I am not saying you have that role, but it would be too funny if you did. I originally thought you were just straight up mafia, but now it seems you could be more or different. The panda bear role fitting perfectly was only something I found after I was convinced you were scum. Also, saying that role was suggested at the last second is a little bit of a deception. Check the dates, you requested the role 5 days before the game started, he also received 2 additional sign ups to the game after he had enough. He certainly had the time and players to balance it if he needed to. An SK makes the crazy amount of night KP a little more believable since otherwise night time is going to be murder for the town.
Hmmm... post wise it seemed last second. Regardless, if you don't think I'm that then its moot, yes?
But moving on, why do you think im mafia.
Because I followed Radfield's suscipsion and voted for Bum in addition to ~6/5 other people?
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Honestly, bumatlarge deserved to be lynched. He played badly, acted scummily and didn't defend himself properly at all.
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And I do think we might be a bit too hasty with this Panda lynch. I'm going to change my vote back to no, and we cant talk about this a bit more.
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SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS
*takes a deep breath*
THIS is what I call not logical.
1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda
1 kp from mafia
1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths
Panda Smack down has been delivered.
I don't see what you are specifically arguing down here. 3 KP obviously occured last night so that's a null point. Also there is several major points I wish to bring up.
On August 31 2010 02:26 Pandain wrote:
Can you include a role called The Hungry Panda, and you have the ability to eat a person during the night, but can only use the ability once.
Or am I reaching too high for the skies here?
You are making two assumptions that go against this initial point. First, why the hell are you assuming that Hungry Panda is anti-town? I thought of Vigilante immediately when I read this post (look at the blued-out part about ability) and clearly for balance reasons it makes sense for there to be Town KP role. The way you clump Hungry Panda with anti-town KP makes me believe that you were pretty certain about what the alignment of the role is.
Secondly you believe mafia faction has 1 KP, then statement there "at least will be two kills per night" makes no sense at all unless you assume there are another person with KP that can be used every night- Serial Killer. In fact why do you think mafia has 1 KP in first place while we all agree mafia likely has 2 KP? It makes sense if you were the one who contributed to one of those three KP, since knowing there were 2 KP (1 KP was from you) would definitely increase the likelihood of you believing that there might be another role that got his KP off with 1 KP, instead of vanilla officer who only sees 3 KP (in which case for mafia to have 1 KP it must be two separate KP roles that used their abilities simultaneously).
The argument Caller wouldn't just put a KP role in is strongly suspect because Caller just could have changed the name of SK (or Vigilante) to Hungry Panda for lols.
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On September 08 2010 04:13 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 04:09 rastaban wrote:On September 08 2010 04:03 Pandain wrote:On September 08 2010 04:02 Hesmyrr wrote:I am voting for Pandain lynch. He just slipped up in PM conversation with me and I am sure he is SK. at least 2 kp
1 mafia
1 hungry panda
seriously, looking two much into this.
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You yourself said on that post that when conceptualizing The Hungry Panda that it will be only be able to use it's ability one time. Where did the at least 2 KP come from? It only makes sense if you think the role can make a kill every night. I am now completely sure you are SK who slipped up.
gg
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Original Message:
with what?
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Original Message:
I'm sorry, but I am going to have to come forward with this.
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Well? What do you think about me?
Still don't see how ANYONE could think Caller would just put in The Hungry Panda at the last second. If he did put it in there like I described it, then there would be at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.
THAT IS NOT BALANCED! SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS *takes a deep breath* THIS is what I call not logical. 1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda 1 kp from mafia 1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths Panda Smack down has been delivered. I think it is a 1 off ability, if he really could hit every night 3 KP would be crazy! of course there could be an SK but I think it would be more likely that his KP would be one of the 2 that occurred at day break. This seemed more like a one shot ability than something that could be repetitively used. If it's a one shot then why hasn't the person come forward? I'm not voting for Pandain, even if he is SK we need to kill mafia and not SK. Not sure why you guys are pushing this so hard all of a sudden. And Hesmyrr, i think Pandain sent that PM to everybody.
This is actually interesting idea (using SK against mafia) but the thing is I don't think SK will cooperate with us anymore when all of us already know his role & his win condition eventually force him to go against the town. I would feel more comfortable with reducing a KP - especially when night is not going to be frequent with correct accusation sequences - but I am open to discussion, I guess.
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On September 08 2010 04:28 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +SERIOUSLY? I JUST PMED YOU ABOUT THIS
*takes a deep breath*
THIS is what I call not logical.
1 kp from Theoretical hungry panda
1 kp from mafia
1 possible extra kp becuase of the three deaths
Panda Smack down has been delivered. I don't see what you are specifically arguing down here. 3 KP obviously occured last night so that's a null point. Also there is several major points I wish to bring up. Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 02:26 Pandain wrote:
Can you include a role called The Hungry Panda, and you have the ability to eat a person during the night, but can only use the ability once.
Or am I reaching too high for the skies here? You are making two assumptions that go against this initial point. First, why the hell are you assuming that Hungry Panda is anti-town? I thought of Vigilante immediately when I read this post (look at the blued-out part about ability) and clearly for balance reasons it makes sense for there to be Town KP role. The way you clump Hungry Panda with anti-town KP makes me believe that you were pretty certain about what the alignment of the role is. Secondly you believe mafia faction has 1 KP, then statement there "at least will be two kills per night" makes no sense at all unless you assume there are another person with KP that can be used every night- Serial Killer. In fact why do you think mafia has 1 KP in first place while we all agree mafia likely has 2 KP? It makes sense if you were the one who contributed to one of those three KP, since knowing there were 2 KP (1 KP was from you) would definitely increase the likelihood of you believing that there might be another role that got his KP off with 1 KP, instead of vanilla officer who only sees 3 KP (in which case for mafia to have 1 KP it must be two separate KP roles that used their abilities simultaneously). The argument Caller wouldn't just put a KP role in is strongly suspect because Caller just could have changed the name of SK (or Vigilante) to Hungry Panda for lols.
Still going along with this, eh? Alright, I'll play along.
Yes, for a fact mafia has a kp(or caller is insane and put in 3 kp roles non mafia)
Then you assumed I was Hungry Panda, which I pointed out (wrongly) added one additional kp per night. It seems now it can only be used once, but even if this was a third party, that would be a pretty lame role(one kill, and that's all you can do?) In addition, one kill per night would unbalance the game(especially with only 15 players.)
And if you've read, I said mafia has at LEAST one kp, and I later said they probably have one more. Go ahead and reread the pms, its right there.
You're either confused or pulling stuff out of your fadoodle man.
Any real concerns?
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I am confused. My initial point was that you were the one who suggested the role in the first place, only being able to use your ability one time and all, and then on PM you get it wrong. Now you are arguing the role don't exist b/c it makes the game unbalanced either way?
I'll reread the PM though.
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I don't see the part where you specifically say the mafia at LEAST one kp. Can you quote me on that please?
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On September 08 2010 04:42 Hesmyrr wrote:
I don't see the part where you specifically say the mafia at LEAST one kp. Can you quote me on that please?
at least 2 kills per night, possibly 3 with an extra mafia kp.
So at least one from thereretical sk, and at least one from mafia.
Plus one extra from possible mafia kp.
I didn't SPECIFICALLY say, but its right there. Sorry if I didn't elaborate on every single part of what I wrote :p
Its okay, sorry I'm getting a bit mean/agressive.
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On September 08 2010 04:40 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am confused. My initial point was that you were the one who suggested the role in the first place, only being able to use your ability one time and all, and then on PM you get it wrong. Now you are arguing the role don't exist b/c it makes the game unbalanced either way?
I'll reread the PM though.
What? Didn't get that at all lol.
I'm actually starting to think a SK might exist, based on pms with infun, but I am certainly not it(And there is no evidence that I am). Caller may have balanced it with infinite day lynches. Unsure......
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Plus I'd like people to keep in mind there are like only 5 people who have contributed the last 5 pages. I think we should keep in mind the other 5/6. :p
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Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.
I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.
Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.
Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out.
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On September 08 2010 04:57 rastaban wrote:
Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.
I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.
Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.
Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out.
Wtf? I never pmed caller about sk. I asked if mafia had their normal kp, then he misunderstood, then I asked again and he clarified.
Ask if mafia have a kp, you'll get a response.
So much rampant speculation....
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On September 08 2010 04:57 rastaban wrote:
Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.
I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.
Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.
Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out.
Ok, this probably isn't correct then, I miss-understood what you were asking.
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Alright, I'll answer more questions if they come up, but now that that is (mainly) settled, we need to decide what to do now.
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On September 08 2010 04:57 rastaban wrote:
Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.
I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.
Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.
Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out.
This has finally convinced me I will vote for Pandain. If he isn't mafia then at least we get a lot of information. If pandain turns red then the next vote will be about rasta imo.
The case against Panda according to me.
1. He pushed for the execution of bum
2. He has not launched any plans which he usually does.
3. The clues could be pointing at him.
4. The assumption that the panda role where mafia.
5. The PMs to caller about the roles
I also have to stress that if we don't reach a majority someone needs to make an accusation. I think that Xelin is still a good choice.
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Ok reread but I still stand by my choice to vote for Pandain ,even though some information gathering from the lynch has vanished.
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On September 08 2010 05:18 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 04:57 rastaban wrote:
Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.
I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.
Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.
Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out. This has finally convinced me I will vote for Pandain. If he isn't mafia then at least we get a lot of information. If pandain turns red then the next vote will be about rasta imo. The case against Panda according to me. 1. He pushed for the execution of bum 2. He has not launched any plans which he usually does. 3. The clues could be pointing at him. 4. The assumption that the panda role where mafia. 5. The PMs to caller about the roles I also have to stress that if we don't reach a majority someone needs to make an accusation. I think that Xelin is still a good choice.
Interesting, but I'll adress each one.
1.He pushed for the execution of bum.
Along with 5-6 other people. As Decblahblah has said, Bum was rightly lynched. Uncharacteristic play, useless(read:anti town) and just...scummy.
2.He has not launched any plans when he usually does.
I've said this before, I have not launched any plans because it is impossible to launch plans in this set up. Hidden roles, and with an NVKD dead means any potential plan is ruined. Think about it, all my plans revolved around roles doing certain stuff. If we have no roles, what does that mean? No plans. Trust me, I would love to have a plan.
3.The clues could be pointing at him.
COULD. That's the most important thing. Furthormore, the clue is vauge at best, as well as any links to me by it. Think about it, I WOULD NEVER KILL SR. He was my SFA member. Even if I was mafia and had a kp, never in a million years would I kill him. Has there even been anyone trying to find anyone else who that clue could be related to? No, because everyone is stuck blind on me while the mafia can sit back and let town mislynch one after another.
4.The assumption that the panda role where mafia.
What else could it be? Everyone was assuming I was SK, so I thought they were saying I was the Hungry Panda replacing a SK. In addition, if I was a town Hungry Panda, I would never shoot South(SFA for life), and would'n't have shot so early. If I was SK, I would've claimed by now, and in addition this setup would be imo unbalanced. The only thing that's possible for people to be accusing me is mafia hungry panda, but even then that would be slightly imbalanced. We'll have to see whether there are 3 kills again though before I can comment furthor on this with certainty. But seriously, a panda role?
5.The PM to caller about the roles.
Already discussed, and even Rastaban dismissed that.
Nothing, guys, you are accusing me out of rampant speculation. In this situation we are in now we can NOT win as a town doing that.
Anything else?
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Ok maybe im beeing easily pursuaded but I will unvote.
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On September 08 2010 05:31 lakrismamma wrote:
Ok maybe im beeing easily pursuaded but I will unvote.
I'm not saying don't accuse me. Scum hunting is the basis of mafia. But I'm asking people to use reason. If anyone has a good case, say it, and I will refute it with the certainty only a townie can have.
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Going to bed now, to ensure its still day when I get up I am going to
##accuse Zeks
1 post in the entire game. 
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I dont know if we should accuse zeks. I mean, if he's only made 1 post he's going to be modkilled soon.
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On September 08 2010 06:04 Pandain wrote:
I dont know if we should accuse zeks. I mean, if he's only made 1 post he's going to be modkilled soon.
Well, he could be voting behind the scenes if he was scum but i still don't know that we need to transition so quickly. Also we need to be careful because we know so little.
Right now we are at 11 players. For this demonstration I am assuming 3 Mafia with 2 KP and a 1 time Night kill
11
-1 (say are lynch now is innocent)
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10
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8
- 1 -> This is LYLO
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7
-2
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5 with mafia at 3 to our 2.
So basically we have to get a mafia this lynch or tomorrows. Now we might (probably) have night roles but as it is right now we know our investigator died so we can't be sure.
We really have to use the the extra lynches to our advantage but with so many not speaking up we are in bad shape.
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i am voting.
i am still trying to learn how this game works, sort of busy lately moving in and out to university
sorry for inactiveness shouldn't of signed up - my bad.
i've been on the bandwagon for each lynch for all your information. I'm still trying to know whats going on...lol
I know I'm rarely inactive in a mafia game - most of you can attest to my activity in pyp and the other games...whether this is a scumtell or w/e up to you guys
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most importantly it's a useless tell!
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Alright guys we have a number of options we can do, and I'd like to hear feedback on all of them.
1.Let the day go by(no lynch).
I dont like this, no pressure on mafia, they might not even have to talk. In addition, the risk of deaths during the next night are enough to outweigh the possibility of a mislynch.
2.Lynch Inactives
I like this, forces mafia to become more active, gets people talking in this dire situation. Makes mafia unable to just hide in the shadows and let the townies die off by lynching each other. In addition inactives are at best useless and usually uninformed. I would suggest lynching zeks, then moving on to possibly xelin.
3.Lynch around the Rosie
Due to NKVD dying and 3 kills last night, we might want to just start lynching every scummy person we can. However, I am personally against this right now because it may result in just us losing a bunch of townies. Its basically a matter of luck, and no more. Unfortunately, that may be all we have anyway.
4.Something else.
Ideas?
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##Accusation: Pandian
1) I'll explain below
2) Extend it 12 hours.
Reason 1: Bill Murray's death post
On September 07 2010 07:22 Caller wrote:
Bill Murray the NKVD are dead.
Bill Murray is the DT
On September 07 2010 07:30 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Also...I would like to note that Bill Murray attacked Rastabans plan, during the night phase. He was NKVD, meaning he had his knowledge before the end of night (if Caller is still playing like every other game he hosts with DT/NKVD -_____-). Whom did he investigate. Possibly Rastaban. I will proceed to look at the rest of his posts now.
The DT gets his knowlege before the night ends
On September 07 2010 10:28 Bill Murray wrote:
I did my best for my glorious country
I hope you all have a fun game
Bill Murray seems to indicate that he left us some clues
On September 06 2010 13:31 Bill Murray wrote:
I like comrade OpZ opinion in relation to Pandain
I dislike Pandain's inability to move forward for our glorious country with his actions following that
I am suspicious of Pandain for being a Capitalist my friends with comrade OpZ
Bill Murray's clue that he left us
Reason 2: Overzelousness
Pandian is bloodthirsty. He pushes us to kill Bum, not because Bum is acting scummy, his main reason is that we have to kill someone. And Bum is the most inactive.
Pandian actively pushed the kill, playing a large PM game.
I am sickened that you all followed Pandian's bloodthirstyness, we must end his regime once and for all.
Reason 3: Immitation of Bum
On September 05 2010 01:58 Pandain wrote:
Pandain remembered that day. After the Russian revolution of 1919 in which he lost his arms, legs, and vocal organs, he moved to the tiny island of Henbechto to live his final days in peace. Unfortunately, it turned out that American Capitalists had been working on an evil life-preserving study, and had captured Pandain and forced him to live!
For 30 years Pandain stood like that, alone, frozen, in the cryogenic freezer of EVIL He watched as they studied him, they prodded him. He watched as they heard news of the end of WW2 and packed their bags for fear of being discovered by the Japenese. He watched as he stood alone, frozen, unable to speak, move, where his own thoughts were the things that led him to virtual insanity.
For 20 more years Pandain stood alone, frozen. And after so long...he began to accept it. He began to enjoy the solititude. The scientists had left one bit of mercy: A power battery sustaining him that would run out in 1 more year. He only had to wait... and then this life would be over
One more year passed, and as he watched the clock tick to one more month, 14 Soviet troops stormed in and recharged the battery. They took him out and fixed him up. Pandain screamed "No! No! I want to die!" But then they put a gigantic Brainwasher 2000 to his head and Pandain learned something: Soviet Russia was best Russia!
All hail to the Motherland! Off to do their duty!
It looks like Pandian is trying to imitate Bum last game in the PyP game. In case you haven't read that game, basically Bum was watcher, and was able to not be suspected/killed because he made entertaining posts. So I’m reading either Blue Role or Capitalist right now, thinking that Pandian is trying desperately to survive
Reason 4) Pro mafia plans
On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).
Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.
Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles.
This is an extremely mafia idea, Pandain wants us just to sit around waiting. This is always really bad relying soley on one person who may or may not be alive/in-existance.
Pandain then changes his plan to "lets kill all inactives". Good idea, but most of the time, (ie 99% of the time) inactive are greens that don't feel the motivation to post because their role isn't 'cool'. It's good for the mafia as all the mafia has to do is stay active, and boom, a whole bunch of day kills go off
##Accusation: Pandian
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LSB that was a collection of large leaps of faith, speculation, misleading information, and a whole bunch of errors. I'll address it now.
For BM:
On September 08 2010 07:40 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 10:28 Bill Murray wrote:
I did my best for my glorious country
I hope you all have a fun game Bill Murray seems to indicate that he left us some clues
How the heck does that indicate he left a clue? In addition, he would be banned if he tried to leave a clue as that is illegal. Obviously it is just a sentence saying he tried his best and hope you have fun. This is speculation at its worst.
On September 08 2010 07:40 LSB wrote:
Reason 2: Overzelousness
Pandian is bloodthirsty. He pushes us to kill Bum, not because Bum is acting scummy, his main reason is that we have to kill someone. And Bum is the most inactive.
Pandian actively pushed the kill, playing a large PM game.
I am sickened that you all followed Pandian's bloodthirstyness, we must end his regime once and for all.
By constantly repeating I'm bloodthirsty does not make it so. If you were paying attention, I have said I voted for Bum because he acted scummy. Other players also commented on that, even after he died and was revealed. Of course one reason was Bum was partly inactive, but add that to the many other reasons. You know I like to push people who I think are mafia. Take my first game, mafia xxIII, I accused Chaoser and kept on pounding him because I truly believed he was mafia. Will you say that's not to be done?
Finally, one reason I admit was we had to lynch someone. And Bum was the most suspicious. Face it, if we didn't lynch anyone mafia would get off free. Unless you're saying that would be preferred, that point is moot.
On September 08 2010 07:40 LSB wrote:
It looks like Pandian is trying to imitate Bum last game in the PyP game. In case you haven't read that game, basically Bum was watcher, and was able to not be suspected/killed because he made entertaining posts. So I’m reading either Blue Role or Capitalist right now, thinking that Pandian is trying desperately to survive
Definitely. I mean, in no way would I write that story because I wanted to have fun, or that this was a theme game, or that other people were writing stories. I did it for the sole purporse of hoping I wouldn't be suspected/killed. Definitely.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 08 2010 07:40 LSB wrote:
Reason 4) Pro mafia plans
This is an extremely mafia idea, Pandain wants us just to sit around waiting. This is always really bad relying soley on one person who may or may not be alive/in-existance.
Pandain then changes his plan to "lets kill all inactives". Good idea, but most of the time, (ie 99% of the time) inactive are greens that don't feel the motivation to post because their role isn't 'cool'. It's good for the mafia as all the mafia has to do is stay active, and boom, a whole bunch of day kills go off
##Accusation: Pandian
Extremely misleading. That post was way back, when I was misled by a pm from caller. I later PMed him again and realized the plan wouldn't work. You can tell that that was a pro town plan in mind because it says it based around the fact I thought mafia didn't have kp. If I was mafia and proposing that plan, it wouldn't be based around that.
Quoting that post way out of context doesn't help your case.
And we're still deciding our plan. I do think we shoudl go after inactives for reasons stated above. As you say, its a good idea. And I would say most mafia are the inactives, and that mafia in this setup would be best just laying low and letting us lynch each other. We need to root out the mafia hiding in the shadows. We WANT the mafia to stay active. We want them talking as much as possible, so that we can analyze more and have more information, in addition to them possibly slipping up. Of course, I'm still waiting for feedback.
Anything else?
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rasta already accused him. So i don't think your accusation extends the day, though he didnt bold his i think that's a minor detail.
And yes my vote is fully behind all of your evidence.
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Alright think I've defended myself just fine. My bros doing fantasy football so if I don't get back in time just remember all that I have said, and please try to use reason, not speculation.
Gracias
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Does a double take
On September 08 2010 07:55 Pandain wrote:
Finally, one reason I admit was we had to lynch someone. And Bum was the most suspicious. Face it, if we didn't lynch anyone mafia would get off free. Unless you're saying that would be preferred, that point is moot.
Did you just say what I think you said????
Killing a town is better than not killing one??????
Any thoughts of your innocence has now disappeared completely from my mind.
I regret that I could not defend Bum enough. And you satisfied that you've killed him???
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OOOPS, I pressed the edit button instead of the quote button
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All right my post before the edit: (Sorry guys)
In a nutshell (awnser's to pandian)
1) BM didn't express regret and posting hints after his death is something I'd expect BM to do
2) Explain this pm to me then Pandian
You mean he could've claimed he was afk when we ordered him to? that would just be suscipsious. Regardless, my point stands about it being wifom. I'm unsure whether to lynch Bum, but with 3 deaths in the FIRST NIGHT, we have to lynch someone. At the very least, he's been useless and has been showing scum tendencies.
3) It is not an argument by itself, but taken holistically it supports that you are red.
4) Let's look at your plan
We lynch all the inactives.
How many mafia did we kill? 0. Because like you said, they will start talking and not being inactive
How many town did we kill? A lot
What did we kill them for? So the mafia can deceive us.
<sarcasm>Great plan! (^.^)b </sarcasm>
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On September 08 2010 08:47 LSB wrote:Does a double takeShow nested quote +On September 08 2010 07:55 Pandain wrote:
Finally, one reason I admit was we had to lynch someone. And Bum was the most suspicious. Face it, if we didn't lynch anyone mafia would get off free. Unless you're saying that would be preferred, that point is moot. Did you just say what I think you said???? Killing a town is better than not killing one??????Any thoughts of your innocence has now disappeared completely from my mind. I regret that I could not defend Bum enough. And you satisfied that you've killed him???
facepalms.
Killing a town is better than not lynching. It forces mafia to take sides and helps to make them not stay back in the shadows while we kill each other.
On September 08 2010 09:04 LSB wrote:All right my post before the edit: (Sorry guys) In a nutshell (awnser's to pandian) 1) BM didn't express regret and posting hints after his death is something I'd expect BM to do 2) Explain this pm to me then Pandian Show nested quote +You mean he could've claimed he was afk when we ordered him to? that would just be suscipsious. Regardless, my point stands about it being wifom. I'm unsure whether to lynch Bum, but with 3 deaths in the FIRST NIGHT, we have to lynch someone. At the very least, he's been useless and has been showing scum tendencies. 3) It is not an argument by itself, but taken holistically it supports that you are red. 4) Let's look at your plan We lynch all the inactives. How many mafia did we kill? 0. Because like you said, they will start talking and not being inactive How many town did we kill? A lot What did we kill them for? So the mafia can deceive us. <sarcasm>Great plan! (^.^)b </sarcasm>
1.What the frick is this argument? This is the worst argument ever. "Oh, BM didn't express regret" IN HIS TWO SENTENCES so that OBVIOUSLY means that he had a plan and was trying to lead you guys in on a giant conspiracy. Makes perfect sense.
2. So? That's my reasoning. What about it.
3.So useless.
4.Way to take my plan to the extreme. We might get an inactive. You totally are manipulating this to your own means.
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Anyone else want me to clarify/explain something? I'll be happy to, but at least while we do this we should start moving forward.
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Let's look at Pandain's goals for the town.
He wants to kill innocents
On September 08 2010 09:37 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 08:47 LSB wrote:Does a double takeOn September 08 2010 07:55 Pandain wrote:
Finally, one reason I admit was we had to lynch someone. And Bum was the most suspicious. Face it, if we didn't lynch anyone mafia would get off free. Unless you're saying that would be preferred, that point is moot. Did you just say what I think you said???? Killing a town is better than not killing one??????Any thoughts of your innocence has now disappeared completely from my mind. I regret that I could not defend Bum enough. And you satisfied that you've killed him??? facepalms.Killing a town is better than not lynching. It forces mafia to take sides and helps to make them not stay back in the shadows while we kill each other.
He admits that the Main reason why he wanted to kill Bum was so that we could get some blood
2. So? That's my reasoning. What about it.
And is Killing Bum enough to satiate his hunger? No!
On September 08 2010 07:55 Pandain wrote:
And we're still deciding our plan. I do think we shoudl go after inactives for reasons stated above. As you say, its a good idea. And I would say most mafia are the inactives, and that mafia in this setup would be best just laying low and letting us lynch each other. We need to root out the mafia hiding in the shadows. We WANT the mafia to stay active. We want them talking as much as possible, so that we can analyze more and have more information, in addition to them possibly slipping up. Of course, I'm still waiting for feedback.
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On September 08 2010 10:03 LSB wrote:Let's look at Pandain's goals for the town. He wants to kill innocents Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 09:37 Pandain wrote:On September 08 2010 08:47 LSB wrote:Does a double takeOn September 08 2010 07:55 Pandain wrote:
Finally, one reason I admit was we had to lynch someone. And Bum was the most suspicious. Face it, if we didn't lynch anyone mafia would get off free. Unless you're saying that would be preferred, that point is moot. Did you just say what I think you said???? Killing a town is better than not killing one??????Any thoughts of your innocence has now disappeared completely from my mind. I regret that I could not defend Bum enough. And you satisfied that you've killed him??? facepalms.Killing a town is better than not lynching. It forces mafia to take sides and helps to make them not stay back in the shadows while we kill each other. He admits that the Main reason why he wanted to kill Bum was so that we could get some blood And is Killing Bum enough to satiate his hunger? No! Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 07:55 Pandain wrote:
And we're still deciding our plan. I do think we shoudl go after inactives for reasons stated above. As you say, its a good idea. And I would say most mafia are the inactives, and that mafia in this setup would be best just laying low and letting us lynch each other. We need to root out the mafia hiding in the shadows. We WANT the mafia to stay active. We want them talking as much as possible, so that we can analyze more and have more information, in addition to them possibly slipping up. Of course, I'm still waiting for feedback.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is where the logic is abandoned. I don't feel like commenting on yours anymore since its just based on lies, manipulation, and any reasonable person can see through it. If anyone really believes this, they can PM me and I'll show them the truth. Until then, I trust all of your's reason.
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Why don't you want to show the truth here? Why do you need to go through PM?
Are you saying that you didn't actually post those posts? Or that my interpretation of your posts are flawed?
Are you saying that killing innocents is good for the town?
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On September 08 2010 10:14 LSB wrote:
Why don't you want to show the truth here? Why do you need to go through PM?
Are you saying that you didn't actually post those posts? Or that my interpretation of your posts are flawed?
Are you saying that killing innocents is good for the town?
Your interpretation of everything I'm saying has been manipulated intentionally/unintentionally for your own means.
The risk of killing an innocent is better than not killing at all.
Thats what I say.
You then say I said I want to kill innocents.
Literally, that's whats happening.
I want to go through pms because I just don't feel like debating against a rock wall.
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Where have I manipulated your words? I have pointed out what you have said. You have renagated on your word, changed positions on a dime and ignored your own opinions. I am keeping you accountable
You said that
Killing a town is better than not lynching
How is that a 'risk'?
You specifically justified why killing townies is a good thing. I could understand your 'risk argument' if you said lets use an RNG to kill someone. But to kill someone who did not deserve to be killed, and afterwards trying to justify your kill :S.
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On September 08 2010 10:23 LSB wrote:Where have I manipulated your words? I have pointed out what you have said. You have renagated on your word, changed positions on a dime and ignored your own opinions. I am keeping you accountableYou said that How is that a 'risk'? You specifically justified why killing townies is a good thing. I could understand your 'risk argument' if you said lets use an RNG to kill someone. But to kill someone who did not deserve to be killed, and afterwards trying to justify your kill :S.
*sigh*
Yes, Killing a town is better than not lynching.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN I SAID KILLING TOWNIES IS A GOOD THING.
How do you get that, honestly? Please, I want to know why you simply don't understand.
Please, say why not lynching is better than the chance of killing a townie. In fact, not lynching is the most anti-town thing you could do.
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On September 08 2010 10:26 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 10:23 LSB wrote:Where have I manipulated your words? I have pointed out what you have said. You have renagated on your word, changed positions on a dime and ignored your own opinions. I am keeping you accountableYou said that Killing a town is better than not lynching How is that a 'risk'? You specifically justified why killing townies is a good thing. I could understand your 'risk argument' if you said lets use an RNG to kill someone. But to kill someone who did not deserve to be killed, and afterwards trying to justify your kill :S. *sigh* Yes, Killing a town is better than not lynching. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I SAID KILLING TOWNIES IS A GOOD THING. How do you get that, honestly? Please, I want to know why you simply don't understand. Please, say why not lynching is better than the chance of killing a townie. In fact, not lynching is the most anti-town thing you could do.
I pressed you, wondering what you thought about killing Bum. Instead of regret and trying to figure out what you did wrong, you responded by justifying Bum's lynch and calling him useless.
So you are saying that Killing Townies is not a good thing? Why are you justifying it? Why didn't you go for a plan that actually is good? So you knowingly pushed a bad plan and now justifying a bad plan?
A good plan: waiting till near the deadline. And then accusing someone who actually is acting scummy, rather than inactive.
The scummy target was you of course Pandian. So maybe that's why you didn't go after it.
Not Lynching = 1 more townie survived. We can also determine who is mafia from who decided to press lynches on people who did not deserve the lynch. Speaking of which Pandian...
... I find myself agreeing with you in a sense. Killing Bum allowed us to expose you, the capitalist.
Bum's death was not in vain!
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On September 08 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 10:26 Pandain wrote:On September 08 2010 10:23 LSB wrote:Where have I manipulated your words? I have pointed out what you have said. You have renagated on your word, changed positions on a dime and ignored your own opinions. I am keeping you accountableYou said that Killing a town is better than not lynching How is that a 'risk'? You specifically justified why killing townies is a good thing. I could understand your 'risk argument' if you said lets use an RNG to kill someone. But to kill someone who did not deserve to be killed, and afterwards trying to justify your kill :S. *sigh* Yes, Killing a town is better than not lynching. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I SAID KILLING TOWNIES IS A GOOD THING. How do you get that, honestly? Please, I want to know why you simply don't understand. Please, say why not lynching is better than the chance of killing a townie. In fact, not lynching is the most anti-town thing you could do. I pressed you, wondering what you thought about killing Bum. Instead of regret and trying to figure out what you did wrong, you responded by justifying Bum's lynch and calling him useless.So you are saying that Killing Townies is not a good thing? Why are you justifying it? Why didn't you go for a plan that actually is good? So you knowingly pushed a bad plan and now justifying a bad plan? A good plan: waiting till near the deadline. And then accusing someone who actually is acting scummy, rather than inactive. The scummy target was you of course Pandian. So maybe that's why you didn't go after it. Not Lynching = 1 more townie survived. We can also determine who is mafia from who decided to press lynches on people who did not deserve the lynch. Speaking of which Pandian... ... I find myself agreeing with you in a sense. Killing Bum allowed us to expose you, the capitalist. Bum's death was not in vain!
O.o. You've had too much propaganda.
So what, you want me to say that lynching bum wasn't good? In retrospect it wasn't, but if I traveled back in time I would do the same thing. He was acting scummy, useless, and uncharacteristic of his normal play. What, do you want me to reflect in game on exactly how we should've lynched, instead of moving forward? I stand by that lynch.
I don't get the "So you are...bad plan." paragraph. Clariify for me? I've advocated plans I've always felt were good... but I'm unsure as to what your saying. .
Not lynching also = free reign for mafia, no pressure on them, they can stay as inactive as possible, dont even have to talk. That is the worst thing town can do. Also keep in mind that it might also mean 1 mafia lives.
And I don't really see how I should be lynched because bum flipped. At LEAST 6 other people voted with me, if not more.
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Look, Pandain could easily be SK. I don't care about that. Pay attention to the argument though. And pay attention to who is attacking him. I went after BumAtLarge because Radfield suspected him, but didn't share too much with me. BM also did not contact me, but BM agreeing with me...That's something...I'm sure he knew something (sorry been at work). Zeks will be a fine lynch. He just showed up to defend himself when his name came up, then went away again.
Guys, stop listening to Hesmyrr. He's pretty worthless.
And LSB attacking Pandain? What?
Like seriously...BUM WAS USELESS SO FAR, so attacking Pandain, when there were EASILY 6 of us who admitted to voting for him (which the Capitalists have no reason to ever do). So obviously we should lynch someone WHO DID NOT PRESS FOR HIS LYNCH. Mafia have no reason to do anything but PM a vote. They do not need to argue whether lynching someone is beneficial or not, just spam their votes onto people. That's more important to take note of with that lynch.
LSB, my FoS is on you now.
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On September 08 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On September 08 2010 10:26 Pandain wrote:On September 08 2010 10:23 LSB wrote:Where have I manipulated your words? I have pointed out what you have said. You have renagated on your word, changed positions on a dime and ignored your own opinions. I am keeping you accountableYou said that Killing a town is better than not lynching How is that a 'risk'? You specifically justified why killing townies is a good thing. I could understand your 'risk argument' if you said lets use an RNG to kill someone. But to kill someone who did not deserve to be killed, and afterwards trying to justify your kill :S. *sigh* Yes, Killing a town is better than not lynching. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I SAID KILLING TOWNIES IS A GOOD THING. How do you get that, honestly? Please, I want to know why you simply don't understand. Please, say why not lynching is better than the chance of killing a townie. In fact, not lynching is the most anti-town thing you could do. I pressed you, wondering what you thought about killing Bum. Instead of regret and trying to figure out what you did wrong, you responded by justifying Bum's lynch and calling him useless.So you are saying that Killing Townies is not a good thing? Why are you justifying it? Why didn't you go for a plan that actually is good? So you knowingly pushed a bad plan and now justifying a bad plan? A good plan: waiting till near the deadline. And then accusing someone who actually is acting scummy, rather than inactive. The scummy target was you of course Pandian. So maybe that's why you didn't go after it. Not Lynching = 1 more townie survived. We can also determine who is mafia from who decided to press lynches on people who did not deserve the lynch. Speaking of which Pandian... ... I find myself agreeing with you in a sense. Killing Bum allowed us to expose you, the capitalist. Bum's death was not in vain! O.o. You've had too much propaganda. So what, you want me to say that lynching bum wasn't good? In retrospect it wasn't, but if I traveled back in time I would do the same thing. He was acting scummy, useless, and uncharacteristic of his normal play. What, do you want me to reflect in game on exactly how we should've lynched, instead of moving forward? I stand by that lynch. I don't get the "So you are...bad plan." paragraph. Clariify for me? I've advocated plans I've always felt were good... but I'm unsure as to what your saying. . Not lynching also = free reign for mafia, no pressure on them, they can stay as inactive as possible, dont even have to talk. That is the worst thing town can do. Also keep in mind that it might also mean 1 mafia lives. And I don't really see how I should be lynched because bum flipped. At LEAST 6 other people voted with me, if not more.
You told me that the plan you advocated was bad.
Indeed it was, I have never seen a mafia lynched for inactivity.
I am wondering why you would defend a bad plan then?
There are other ways of applying pressure. Mafia will always post something substantial at one point of time or another.
I am pushing for your lynch because of these 4 reasons http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147690¤tpage=15#293 And this reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147690¤tpage=16#306
On September 08 2010 10:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Look, Pandain could easily be SK. I don't care about that. Pay attention to the argument though. And pay attention to who is attacking him. I went after BumAtLarge because Radfield suspected him, but didn't share too much with me. BM also did not contact me, but BM agreeing with me...That's something...I'm sure he knew something (sorry been at work). Zeks will be a fine lynch. He just showed up to defend himself when his name came up, then went away again.
Guys, stop listening to Hesmyrr. He's pretty worthless.
And LSB attacking Pandain? What?
Like seriously...BUM WAS USELESS SO FAR, so attacking Pandain, when there were EASILY 6 of us who admitted to voting for him (which the Capitalists have no reason to ever do). So obviously we should lynch someone WHO DID NOT PRESS FOR HIS LYNCH. Mafia have no reason to do anything but PM a vote. They do not need to argue whether lynching someone is beneficial or not, just spam their votes onto people. That's more important to take note of with that lynch.
LSB, my FoS is on you now.
Are you saying that you should lynch me because I tried to go against Bum's lynch??
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On September 08 2010 10:56 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 10:43 Pandain wrote:On September 08 2010 10:39 LSB wrote:On September 08 2010 10:26 Pandain wrote:On September 08 2010 10:23 LSB wrote:Where have I manipulated your words? I have pointed out what you have said. You have renagated on your word, changed positions on a dime and ignored your own opinions. I am keeping you accountableYou said that Killing a town is better than not lynching How is that a 'risk'? You specifically justified why killing townies is a good thing. I could understand your 'risk argument' if you said lets use an RNG to kill someone. But to kill someone who did not deserve to be killed, and afterwards trying to justify your kill :S. *sigh* Yes, Killing a town is better than not lynching. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I SAID KILLING TOWNIES IS A GOOD THING. How do you get that, honestly? Please, I want to know why you simply don't understand. Please, say why not lynching is better than the chance of killing a townie. In fact, not lynching is the most anti-town thing you could do. I pressed you, wondering what you thought about killing Bum. Instead of regret and trying to figure out what you did wrong, you responded by justifying Bum's lynch and calling him useless.So you are saying that Killing Townies is not a good thing? Why are you justifying it? Why didn't you go for a plan that actually is good? So you knowingly pushed a bad plan and now justifying a bad plan? A good plan: waiting till near the deadline. And then accusing someone who actually is acting scummy, rather than inactive. The scummy target was you of course Pandian. So maybe that's why you didn't go after it. Not Lynching = 1 more townie survived. We can also determine who is mafia from who decided to press lynches on people who did not deserve the lynch. Speaking of which Pandian... ... I find myself agreeing with you in a sense. Killing Bum allowed us to expose you, the capitalist. Bum's death was not in vain! O.o. You've had too much propaganda. So what, you want me to say that lynching bum wasn't good? In retrospect it wasn't, but if I traveled back in time I would do the same thing. He was acting scummy, useless, and uncharacteristic of his normal play. What, do you want me to reflect in game on exactly how we should've lynched, instead of moving forward? I stand by that lynch. I don't get the "So you are...bad plan." paragraph. Clariify for me? I've advocated plans I've always felt were good... but I'm unsure as to what your saying. . Not lynching also = free reign for mafia, no pressure on them, they can stay as inactive as possible, dont even have to talk. That is the worst thing town can do. Also keep in mind that it might also mean 1 mafia lives. And I don't really see how I should be lynched because bum flipped. At LEAST 6 other people voted with me, if not more. You told me that the plan you advocated was bad. Indeed it was, I have never seen a mafia lynched for inactivity. I am wondering why you would defend a bad plan then? There are other ways of applying pressure. Mafia will always post something substantial at one point of time or another. I am pushing for your lynch because of these 4 reasons http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147690¤tpage=15#293 And this reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147690¤tpage=16#306Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 10:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Look, Pandain could easily be SK. I don't care about that. Pay attention to the argument though. And pay attention to who is attacking him. I went after BumAtLarge because Radfield suspected him, but didn't share too much with me. BM also did not contact me, but BM agreeing with me...That's something...I'm sure he knew something (sorry been at work). Zeks will be a fine lynch. He just showed up to defend himself when his name came up, then went away again.
Guys, stop listening to Hesmyrr. He's pretty worthless.
And LSB attacking Pandain? What?
Like seriously...BUM WAS USELESS SO FAR, so attacking Pandain, when there were EASILY 6 of us who admitted to voting for him (which the Capitalists have no reason to ever do). So obviously we should lynch someone WHO DID NOT PRESS FOR HIS LYNCH. Mafia have no reason to do anything but PM a vote. They do not need to argue whether lynching someone is beneficial or not, just spam their votes onto people. That's more important to take note of with that lynch.
LSB, my FoS is on you now. Are you saying that you should lynch me because I tried to go against Bum's lynch??
Are you talking about my first plan? Seriously dude? I explained that to you. If your town, take a step back, clear your mind, and think for a second. If your mafia, w/e. I didn't defend that plan after I found out, but I do defend that I thought it was a good plan.
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That plan? I still think its a good idea. Where have I said it wasn't? I mean, I'm open for any feedback(while you seem to think its set in stone :p) but I like it so far for the reasons I stated.
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My feedback
4) Let's look at your plan
We lynch all the inactives.
How many mafia did we kill? 0. Because like you said, they will start talking and not being inactive
How many town did we kill? A lot
What did we kill them for? So the mafia can deceive us.
You told me that the plan you advocated was bad.
Indeed it was, I have never seen a mafia lynched for inactivity.
I am wondering why you would defend a bad plan then?
There are other ways of applying pressure. Mafia will always post something substantial at one point of time or another.
Your feedback
Yes, Killing a town is better than not lynching.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN I SAID KILLING TOWNIES IS A GOOD THING.
How do you get that, honestly? Please, I want to know why you simply don't understand.
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Your feedback I shall say... is questionable at best.
Regardless, time has passed. Time to see if I die :/
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Enough votes for Pandain have been submitted. Sentence will be carried out immediately.
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Not Night Yet
Pandain was in the midst of defending himself when suddenly he was shot multiple times by a variety of hand guns, most of which were proud Soviet issued Nagants but a handful of which did not seem Soviet. One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon.
In any case, whichever shot killed him, as Pandain fell so did the bags of money he was holding. Such a traitor to the Soviet cause deserved his punishment.
Pandain the Capitalist-aligned Traitor is dead.
Pending Judgement:
Zeks-10 Hours
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once i die lynch OpZ
that is all
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On September 08 2010 12:17 Caller wrote:
Not Night Yet
Pandain was in the midst of defending himself when suddenly he was shot multiple times by a variety of hand guns, most of which were proud Soviet issued Nagants but a handful of which did not seem Soviet. One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon.
In any case, whichever shot killed him, as Pandain fell so did the bags of money he was holding. Such a traitor to the Soviet cause deserved his punishment.
Pandain the Capitalist-aligned Traitor is dead.
Pending Judgement:
Zeks-10 Hours
yay well done my brothers
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Well done my brothers, I think this is the first game where mafia has been Lynched so early... that is, if he was lynched. Still puzzling over Callers flavor text....
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Err that should be modified with "that I have played in" I am sure there are examples of mafia on first lynch.
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Considering we got 1 maf, we can afford to let it go into night without killing zeks? Or can we?
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Going back over the thread with the thrilling knowledge that Pandain was capitalist yields interesting results.
Instead of doing in depth analysis I will simply list them and rely on your discerning natures.
1. Lakrismamma - One of the few people to defend Pandain, and the way he does it is very "lukewarm" typically a tell in my eyes, even at one point publically changes his mind after one post from pandain.
2. Infundibulum - Another who supports Pandain, the nature of his posts are less telling than Lakris's to me but thats speculation, to point out just one clear thing. At one point he lists all of Bumatlarge's posts and accuses him of being scum on quite poor reasoning, he does the same for Pandain although instead asserts that he believes pandain to just be playing innocent green.
3. OpZ - Apart from a post on about page 8 where he jokingly (or opportunistically!) calls Pandain homosexual there is no interaction whatsoever between OpZ and Pandain, it is quite easy to read too much into these things, but I found it odd and telling enough to list.
Suggestion: I would all do the following, firstly go over the thread, even just skim it in like 5mins all the while looking for links based on peoples interaction (or lack of) with Pandain. The above is simply the impression I got on people when I did the same, OpZ is the weakest of my suspicions, Lakris and Infundibulum have more substantial reasoning.
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I'm also wondering what is meant by the traitor role. In a normal mafia game, its just a mafia aligned townie basically. They don't know who the mafia are, and similarly the mafia don't know who they are. If that is the case here, then people against the Pandain lynch doesn't help us much.
However, considering the setup we are in, the capitalists could all be considered 'traitors' as it were. I don't know. Something to think about anyway.
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Another couple of points or to be more truthful, subjective opinions, that I'd like to throw out there.
Rastaban is clearly and unequivocally town.
Hesmyrr, whilst not to the same extent strikes me quite strongly as town at this point (contrary to what I previously thought)
Zeks is likely town, Pandain pushes for his lynching, time-wise it does not seem to me to fit with the idea that Pandain was doing so knowing he would die and to strategically protect a fellow mafia, so Zeks seems innocent to me.
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Awww fadoodle
I thought I had lived :O
Pandain the Panda hopes you all die!
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Should be night time soon I think.
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On September 08 2010 18:33 XeliN wrote:
Going back over the thread with the thrilling knowledge that Pandain was capitalist yields interesting results.
Instead of doing in depth analysis I will simply list them and rely on your discerning natures.
1. Lakrismamma - One of the few people to defend Pandain, and the way he does it is very "lukewarm" typically a tell in my eyes, even at one point publically changes his mind after one post from pandain.
2. Infundibulum - Another who supports Pandain, the nature of his posts are less telling than Lakris's to me but thats speculation, to point out just one clear thing. At one point he lists all of Bumatlarge's posts and accuses him of being scum on quite poor reasoning, he does the same for Pandain although instead asserts that he believes pandain to just be playing innocent green.
3. OpZ - Apart from a post on about page 8 where he jokingly (or opportunistically!) calls Pandain homosexual there is no interaction whatsoever between OpZ and Pandain, it is quite easy to read too much into these things, but I found it odd and telling enough to list.
Suggestion: I would all do the following, firstly go over the thread, even just skim it in like 5mins all the while looking for links based on peoples interaction (or lack of) with Pandain. The above is simply the impression I got on people when I did the same, OpZ is the weakest of my suspicions, Lakris and Infundibulum have more substantial reasoning.
Well its pretty easy to be smart after a situation is out. It is much harder to actually do it while you are in a situation. I also accused Pandai even though I changed my mind later.At least I publicly stated my arguments and thoughts along the way.
I looked through Pandains posts but didnt find that muchthat hasnt already been broguth up.
On September 07 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 10:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh I apologize for not contributing as much as you pandain. How about we kill myself pandain and divinek. Id be ok with that.
##Accuse Divinek What the fadoodle are you doing man. Seriously, now your just throwing out accusations without any reasons why. At least do the mercy of the trial portion :p. If your really town, stop and think about what your doing and how you can help. But if your mafia, as I think you are, then you wouldn't care so go along.
He was against Diviniks vote but I think that it was more to get bum killed than anything else.
Since he was accusing Zeks I will vote against it. We need a new accusation though
since at least one of our detectives are dead we have not much to gain by letting the game go into night.
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On September 08 2010 07:22 Pandain wrote:
Alright guys we have a number of options we can do, and I'd like to hear feedback on all of them.
1.Let the day go by(no lynch).
I dont like this, no pressure on mafia, they might not even have to talk. In addition, the risk of deaths during the next night are enough to outweigh the possibility of a mislynch.
2.Lynch Inactives
I like this, forces mafia to become more active, gets people talking in this dire situation. Makes mafia unable to just hide in the shadows and let the townies die off by lynching each other. In addition inactives are at best useless and usually uninformed. I would suggest lynching zeks, then moving on to possibly xelin.
3.Lynch around the Rosie
Due to NKVD dying and 3 kills last night, we might want to just start lynching every scummy person we can. However, I am personally against this right now because it may result in just us losing a bunch of townies. Its basically a matter of luck, and no more. Unfortunately, that may be all we have anyway.
4.Something else.
Ideas?
He was also pushing for lynching Xelin. Something I have done as well. Now im not so sure.
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On September 08 2010 18:33 XeliN wrote:
Going back over the thread with the thrilling knowledge that Pandain was capitalist yields interesting results.
Instead of doing in depth analysis I will simply list them and rely on your discerning natures.
1. Lakrismamma - One of the few people to defend Pandain, and the way he does it is very "lukewarm" typically a tell in my eyes, even at one point publically changes his mind after one post from pandain.
2. Infundibulum - Another who supports Pandain, the nature of his posts are less telling than Lakris's to me but thats speculation, to point out just one clear thing. At one point he lists all of Bumatlarge's posts and accuses him of being scum on quite poor reasoning, he does the same for Pandain although instead asserts that he believes pandain to just be playing innocent green.
3. OpZ - Apart from a post on about page 8 where he jokingly (or opportunistically!) calls Pandain homosexual there is no interaction whatsoever between OpZ and Pandain, it is quite easy to read too much into these things, but I found it odd and telling enough to list.
Suggestion: I would all do the following, firstly go over the thread, even just skim it in like 5mins all the while looking for links based on peoples interaction (or lack of) with Pandain. The above is simply the impression I got on people when I did the same, OpZ is the weakest of my suspicions, Lakris and Infundibulum have more substantial reasoning.
Opz, is actually the person who originally put pandain on trial (I quoted him and did the accusation) so I think he is likely town. BM earlier even says he likes Opz read on pandain being scum.
Now your mentioning of Lakrismamma is actually very interesting, I was PMing with Pandain shortly before his execution trying to see what he would reveal
Me to Pandain
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The second strange thing is that lakrismamma says "If pandain turns red then the next vote will be about rasta imo." now this could just be bad town play so I don't want to read too much into it but this is great for the mafia.
If you are innocent and die, then they want to lynch me for it getting 2 in 1. It doesn't make sense though, as town I can't ever "KNOW" you are guilty so I could be wrong. Second, I continued Opz's trial request so I was not the originator, Third, even you haven't tried to say I was scum, only defending yourself, so why we he want to forge this link?
So if you are town, help me out and check these two players for any inconsistencies. Maybe look at a previous game and see if they are playing different than before when they were town.
Pandain to Me
I'll look through them..but I'm unsure as to what to do even if I think they're mafia.
I mean...one misylynch...two, we lose. We have to get these right. I'll think long and hard before making a decision, and thankfully this setup allows me to do just that.
Right now I would lean more Hesmyr than lakris, in addition I don't think they would stick both there necks out just to lynch me. Hesmyr because again of the reasoning, and because lakris conceded after I explained my view.
This isn't enough to lynch, but I think we need to recheck his posts, maybe compare thme to previous games and see how he stacks up
Also here is his last post to me, which I think should clear zeks a little, though it doesn't stop him from being a useless inactive townie.
Pandain's Last Words
I actually think we should lynch some inactives for a couple of reasons.
1.Gives mafia too much wiggle room to stay in shadows, gets people talking
2. Aren't contributing at all in this dire situation
3.At the very least, we'll be getting rid of someone who probably didn't even have the time to make an informed decision in the first place.
I'm thinking of voting against zeks, and then moving on to xelin possibly. Your thoughts?
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On September 08 2010 18:33 XeliN wrote:
Going back over the thread with the thrilling knowledge that Pandain was capitalist yields interesting results.
Instead of doing in depth analysis I will simply list them and rely on your discerning natures.
1. Lakrismamma - One of the few people to defend Pandain, and the way he does it is very "lukewarm" typically a tell in my eyes, even at one point publically changes his mind after one post from pandain.
2. Infundibulum - Another who supports Pandain, the nature of his posts are less telling than Lakris's to me but thats speculation, to point out just one clear thing. At one point he lists all of Bumatlarge's posts and accuses him of being scum on quite poor reasoning, he does the same for Pandain although instead asserts that he believes pandain to just be playing innocent green.
3. OpZ - Apart from a post on about page 8 where he jokingly (or opportunistically!) calls Pandain homosexual there is no interaction whatsoever between OpZ and Pandain, it is quite easy to read too much into these things, but I found it odd and telling enough to list.
Suggestion: I would all do the following, firstly go over the thread, even just skim it in like 5mins all the while looking for links based on peoples interaction (or lack of) with Pandain. The above is simply the impression I got on people when I did the same, OpZ is the weakest of my suspicions, Lakris and Infundibulum have more substantial reasoning.
On September 08 2010 10:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Look, Pandain could easily be SK. I don't care about that. Pay attention to the argument though. And pay attention to who is attacking him. I went after BumAtLarge because Radfield suspected him, but didn't share too much with me. BM also did not contact me, but BM agreeing with me...That's something...I'm sure he knew something (sorry been at work). Zeks will be a fine lynch. He just showed up to defend himself when his name came up, then went away again.
Guys, stop listening to Hesmyrr. He's pretty worthless.
And LSB attacking Pandain? What?
Like seriously...BUM WAS USELESS SO FAR, so attacking Pandain, when there were EASILY 6 of us who admitted to voting for him (which the Capitalists have no reason to ever do). So obviously we should lynch someone WHO DID NOT PRESS FOR HIS LYNCH. Mafia have no reason to do anything but PM a vote. They do not need to argue whether lynching someone is beneficial or not, just spam their votes onto people. That's more important to take note of with that lynch.
LSB, my FoS is on you now.
I think that Opz quite clearly defended Pandain. I find it weird that you didn't mention that when you so clearly pointed out me and infundi.
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Oh wow awesome job LSB.
Maybe going after inactives is the incorrect play, and the other mafia are posting more actively (probably not quite as actively as Pandain, but still). I think Pandains strategy was the pursue lynching inactives, something town likes to do, because he knew they were town sided inactives. So look at the inactive posters he wants to lynch: zeks and xelin. I'd say its less likely that these guys are capitalists then, even though mafia sometimes like to put one of their own in a list like this to throw off the town. So other inactive posters are still fair game.
I'll stand by my votes. Bum was playing bad, and i thought he was red (blue?). I wasn't around when LSB started running the panda train (i voted when people were talking about the "panda clue"), and if i was, I would have voted for Pandain no question.
Do we want to do an accusation to extend the Day? that's the most immediate thing we need to figure out
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by the way I'm voting "no" on zeks
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support zeks
Pandian pushed his lynch, that gives him kudos points for being loyal.
Although pandian could be trying to kill zeks to gain a pro-soviet reputation, I doubt it.
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i wont put my vote on him, but id really like it if zeks was around mooooore
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The time seems prudent now, an #Accusation against Lakrismamma
I aim for this to be concise and simple so to start, the clue:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2010 12:17 Caller wrote:
Pandain was in the midst of defending himself when suddenly he was shot multiple times by a variety of hand guns, most of which were proud Soviet issued Nagants but a handful of which did not seem Soviet. One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon.
This suggests one thing, among the people publically supporting the Pandain lynch, at least one of them are capitalist.
Here the most suggestive part for clue making is “One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon”.
Now look at Lakrismamma’s quotation in his profile “I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes. ”. Here is where I believe the clue to be linked, my idea being a 13th Century Hand Cannon is exactly the type of “thunder” that might break walls and window panes”
I spent a fairly long time trying to analyse this clue, even spent about 10minutes scanning a Wikipedia article on Cannons and their history but missed this entirely, I did not make the link but it is strong imo, just as strong as the clue that led us to Pandain becoming Deadpan (LOL PUN!)
And now to Lakris’ posting, and as were on the subject of Pandains clue here is the first thing I found telling. This is Lakrismamma’s post immediately after Caller wrote the clue about a mauling panda.
+ Show Spoiler + On September 06 2010 07:21 lakrismamma wrote:
I don't think that we should focus on clues day one. We should analyze posts instead.
Especially when we don't know if there are clues in the game.
Does Caller usually have this?
I think the panda clue was of the type that the mafia would instantly know it reffered to Pandain and would naturally be quite anxious for people not to make the association or, if it came to that, to be able to dismiss it as ambiguous.
Now onto other posts
+ Show Spoiler + On September 07 2010 22:22 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 14:38 Infundibulum wrote:
ugh i keep forgetting to consolidate my thoughts.
The following posters have yet to make an appearance during Day 2:
zeks (most inactive player in the game)
Hesmyrr
lakrismamma
rastaban
You guys all need to start speaking up.
I know it's Labor Day weekend so some people probably have a valid excuse for being afk, but cmon now Fair enough! Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 08:26 LSB wrote:Only problem with Pandian On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).
Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.
Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles. Pandain PMed Caller to see if the Mafia have any KP. This means either A) Pandain is mafia and trying to make up some reason that will get us not to think he is mafia B) Pandain is town and was confused I believe Pandain is town he has written useful posts, and that he even asks Caller means that he is more likely town than not. That the town is confused is allright because it is a confusing game and the rules was not clear in the begining. Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 08:51 Divinek wrote:i most definitely support this trial. I always assume if bum is on the evil side im gonna die night one, but i suppose that is less likely when they have a lower kp, and last game he didnt even want me to die . It's weird he pushes for my lynch all the time when he's town but never kills me as mafia. He always posts stupid innocuous posts that dont really say much, but make it look like he's here. Like once a day. But when the fire is on his ass he starts talking up so yes. But for actual reasoning, he acts like the typical confused mafia, and does a little light fanning of flames like lets kill Y! etc ##Accuse BumatLargeI dont think it's too likely we had more than one nkvd... sad times. I agree that bum hasn't been very useful so far (neither have I ) I don't think he has acted very scummy but he is usually more helpful I believe. I think he is a good lynch. What makes me vote yes is this. Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 10:52 bumatlarge wrote:
Oh I apologize for not contributing as much as you pandain. How about we kill myself pandain and divinek. Id be ok with that.
##Accuse Divinek You know better than to accuse someone without a motivation. The thing about not knowing what the color red means is an indication but I think we need more than that. Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 14:05 Divinek wrote:On September 07 2010 13:29 XeliN wrote:
since when am I a safe lynching option? other than being slightly inactive in the early stages.
don't get me wrong im not suggesting there is better candidates but explain why im the "safe" option.
Also pandain why the no PM respond! im reminded of a game where you were a suicide bomber. And now you only start to talk AFTER someone says 'hmm good lynch option' I agree Xelin is acting vey much alike the game when he was the suicide bomber. But lets take one step at the time. It doesent help if we throw too many accusations around at the same time. If bums lynch doesnt go through then I think that Xelin is a decent alternative to prlong the time.
Here the two things to highlight are simple, he supports Pandain being town, and also asserts just enough against Bumatlage in order to justify placing his vote on Bum.
He also plants the seed of me acting like I did when I was a mafia Serial Killer, other than inactivity I can’t see where he makes this connection and it seems to me to idea planting, but that isn’t too relevant, inactivity was a huge aspect of my play in the serial killer game so it’s not too off that he claimed thus.
Later on, when the case against Pandain is becoming stronger he posts this
+ Show Spoiler + On September 08 2010 05:18 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 04:57 rastaban wrote:
Ok I can now talk about the information I didn't want to make public before, it is this. Pandain I want to know everything about your PMs with caller regarding alignments.
I asked and got no response but couldn't confirm that it was just because they hadn't been overlooked (the reason I didn't make it public). It was then asked and confirmed that we can change our votes, so obviously my PM had been read but ignored. I followed up and it was confirmed the Caller wasn't going to tell anything about any roles. I was asking about if the scum had KP roles or innate KP.
Now Pandain claims to have discussed this with Caller. The only way I see this being discussed is if you were scum since you would be asking about your role. Caller isn't going to tell any commies anything since that is the point, we are to figure it out. The fact that Pandain conversed with Caller on these roles makes me believe that he is mafia.
Now pandain, I don't want to lynch you, you are my favorite Mafia Poster because your posting is so much fun, but I really feel that you are mafia this game and it is my job to root them out. This has finally convinced me I will vote for Pandain. If he isn't mafia then at least we get a lot of information. If pandain turns red then the next vote will be about rasta imo. The case against Panda according to me. 1. He pushed for the execution of bum 2. He has not launched any plans which he usually does. 3. The clues could be pointing at him. 4. The assumption that the panda role where mafia. 5. The PMs to caller about the roles I also have to stress that if we don't reach a majority someone needs to make an accusation. I think that Xelin is still a good choice.
Not overly telling in and off itself, but then directly after Pandain responds he posts this:
+ Show Spoiler + On September 08 2010 05:31 lakrismamma wrote:
Ok maybe im beeing easily pursuaded but I will unvote.
This to me is clearly a sign of someone trying to cover themselves, he can claim “I supported the lynch on Pandain and argued why” if Pandain is lynched and revealed to be capitalist whilst at the same time try to avoid that supporting Pandain, saying he will change his vote and perhaps hoping others will follow suit. Mild tendancies in argument can often be a tell in mafia play and IMO Lakris’ posting is an example of it.
I’m of the opinion that simply the strength of the clue (subjective but I believe it is a strong one, or as strong as clues are likely to be in this game) as well as his support of Bum’s lynch and mild way in not committing for or against Pandains lynch are enough in and off themselves for the lynch, but if you go over his posts there are other more subtle things I can find but they are more WIFOMy//more subjective.
And so gentlemen there’s my evidence mingled with my opinion. Blood is that most precious of substances yet in this example I think it ought be spilled.
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And for Zeks just to state I'm against it, Pandain pushed for him and than in itself makes up my mind. At least at this point it would be a mistake in my eyes.
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Do we think Pandain was in contact with mafia...or that his role acted like traitors real role?
If it functioned like Traitor usually functions, then even me defending Pandain would be USELESS to go against me with.
=/
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I support this accusation against Lakrismamma, but I think it is night time now since the 10 hours left on zeks ended about 6 hours ago. If not great lets do this, otherwise we need to pick this up as soon as day breaks.
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So you are first tying the clue to me saying I voted to kill Pandain and then think it is suspicious that I changed my mind and didn't vote for him.
You cant have both. Either I didn't vote for him (which Id didn't) and the clue should not be about me or I did vote for him and then you cant say I'm suspicious because of that..
There where clues from night 1 as well how are they fitting to me?
On September 09 2010 03:43 XeliN wrote:
I think the panda clue was of the type that the mafia would instantly know it reffered to Pandain and would naturally be quite anxious for people not to make the association or, if it came to that, to be able to dismiss it as ambiguous.
Now onto other posts
Or it could be that clues are usually pretty worthless in mafia games (at least the ones Ive been in) and most of the time it is better to look at someones posting history?
On September 09 2010 03:43 XeliN wrote:
This to me is clearly a sign of someone trying to cover themselves, he can claim “I supported the lynch on Pandain and argued why” if Pandain is lynched and revealed to be capitalist whilst at the same time try to avoid that supporting Pandain, saying he will change his vote and perhaps hoping others will follow suit. Mild tendancies in argument can often be a tell in mafia play and IMO Lakris’ posting is an example of it.
I’m of the opinion that simply the strength of the clue (subjective but I believe it is a strong one, or as strong as clues are likely to be in this game) as well as his support of Bum’s lynch and mild way in not committing for or against Pandains lynch are enough in and off themselves for the lynch, but if you go over his posts there are other more subtle things I can find but they are more WIFOMy//more subjective.
And so gentlemen there’s my evidence mingled with my opinion. Blood is that most precious of substances yet in this example I think it ought be spilled.
I wrote that before LSB:s post when even rastaban seemed a little hesitant because Pandain had responded to the charges in a pretty convincing manner.
So you have the clue which shouldn't point at me if I didn't vote for Pandain. And you have my indicative votes for the lynch. Is that really strong evidence? It is these accusation without any real tels that lead the town astray, and let the mafia hide in the shadows.
You have not answered my post on why you didn't mention Opz in your post of people "associated with Pandain either.
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Why? because I was trying to highlight the lack of interaction between OpZ and Pandain, thats the point I was making. The reason I didn't mention it is the same reason I didn't mention alot of other things various people wrote did or said, I was not trying to do analyse or highlight everything, only the things which stuck out to me.
But as you've brought it up, it seems OpZ did defend Pandain, at least to the extent that he suggested he might not be a capitalist aligned role and people can read into that what they will.
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On September 09 2010 04:25 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Do we think Pandain was in contact with mafia...or that his role acted like traitors real role?
If it functioned like Traitor usually functions, then even me defending Pandain would be USELESS to go against me with.
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Oh shit. I didn't see that he was a traitor. I'm guessing it functioned like a normal traitor: Pandain didn't know who the mafia were, and they didn't know who he was. It wouldn't be a traitor if they knew each others roles.
Now it makes it harder to analyze the people defending/accusing Pandain, and also the people he accused. But i dont think it's useless, as you put it. For example a mafia might note that Pandains posting was not pro-town and so could attempt to defend him if he wanted Pandain to stay alive.
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though deconduo has a point that all capitalists can be considered Traitors.... it would help if Caller would update the OP
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Hmmm, I thought traitor was a catch all term, but now not so sure. It is possible that none of them work together or that there are only 2, with 1 traitor.
There were a few things he said early on that I don't think mafia would have said so him not knowing who they were makes some sense.
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I thought it was pretty obvious. The best argument (that mafia and Pandain did not contact each other) for me was that Pandain lynch went through. I am not sure but I don't think enough people have publicly revealed their intent to vote for Pandain - or at least rescinded at last second - to attain majority? That means that mafia team mass lurk-voted, probably thinking he was either SK or town.
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On September 09 2010 05:12 Hesmyrr wrote:
I thought it was pretty obvious. The best argument (that mafia and Pandain did not contact each other) for me was that Pandain lynch went through. I am not sure but I don't think enough people have publicly revealed their intent to vote for Pandain - or at least rescinded at last second - to attain majority? That means that mafia team mass lurk-voted, probably thinking he was either SK or town.
We may have to reevaluate Zeks then since pandain's posts had kind of cleared him, well for that case even LSB and I could be scum not knowing he was out there. Though, it is likely they did know there was one, just not who.
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Traitor is just a term generically used for them, the whole premise of this game was traitours hiding amongst us.
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On September 08 2010 12:17 Caller wrote:
Not Night Yet
Pandain was in the midst of defending himself when suddenly he was shot multiple times by a variety of hand guns, most of which were proud Soviet issued Nagants but a handful of which did not seem Soviet. One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon.
In any case, whichever shot killed him, as Pandain fell so did the bags of money he was holding. Such a traitor to the Soviet cause deserved his punishment.
Pandain the Capitalist-aligned Traitor is dead.
Pending Judgement:
Zeks-10 Hours
Wouldn't he have written traitor in blue as well if it was the name of the mafia?
I wont treat Zeks as cleared.
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Sorry I haven't said anything today, I've been really really busy. I promise to be more active tomorrow. Going to abstain on the lakrisamma vote because I just haven't the time to read up on it. I did have him down as a probably townie in mah mafia file though.
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Just saying
On August 27 2010 08:57 Caller wrote:
NKVD Officer: You suspect of a traitor within the ranks. You may investigate one person of your choice each night, and have the powers of an officer. Your investigation will reveal the person’s level of material wealth.
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well fuck. good catch that they are all traitors. pandain guessed my role. hesmyrr is possible scum. im nkvd. will post later. hasmyrr time to roleclaim to town for you.
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Medics protect Opz please
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What was your night one investigation?
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hesmyrr. he has no worth. will be more specific later. gotta check pm from caller for proper wording. page 16 bottom i called him worthless. check it out.
in class.
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No worth probably means that they aren't capitalist.
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On September 09 2010 05:45 XeliN wrote:
Traitor is just a term generically used for them, the whole premise of this game was traitours hiding amongst us.
No, look at the OP. Pandain's role is listed as Traitor in black. However the words capitalist aligned are in blue.
Also, i'm not 100% on this, but I think that in past Red Army Mafia games the capitalists (mafia) have been colored in blue.
I think what Hesmyrr said is correct: the mafia didn't know Pandain was traitor, hence the lack of vocal support for Pandain in the thread. Instead they just silently voted.
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On September 09 2010 10:06 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 05:45 XeliN wrote:
Traitor is just a term generically used for them, the whole premise of this game was traitours hiding amongst us. No, look at the OP. Pandain's role is listed as Traitor in black. However the words capitalist aligned are in blue. Also, i'm not 100% on this, but I think that in past Red Army Mafia games the capitalists (mafia) have been colored in blue. I think what Hesmyrr said is correct: the mafia didn't know Pandain was traitor, hence the lack of vocal support for Pandain in the thread. Instead they just silently voted.
There was support for Pandain.
Just they didn't do a completely all or nothing support. Probably because Pandain "was sure" that he was going to live. (When I PMed him, Pandain did not think he would die)
As for the supporter of Pandain
On September 08 2010 18:33 XeliN wrote:
1. Lakrismamma - One of the few people to defend Pandain, and the way he does it is very "lukewarm" typically a tell in my eyes, even at one point publically changes his mind after one post from pandain.
2. Infundibulum - Another who supports Pandain, the nature of his posts are less telling than Lakris's to me but thats speculation, to point out just one clear thing. At one point he lists all of Bumatlarge's posts and accuses him of being scum on quite poor reasoning, he does the same for Pandain although instead asserts that he believes pandain to just be playing innocent green.
On September 08 2010 22:33 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 10:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Look, Pandain could easily be SK. I don't care about that. Pay attention to the argument though. And pay attention to who is attacking him. I went after BumAtLarge because Radfield suspected him, but didn't share too much with me. BM also did not contact me, but BM agreeing with me...That's something...I'm sure he knew something (sorry been at work). Zeks will be a fine lynch. He just showed up to defend himself when his name came up, then went away again.
Guys, stop listening to Hesmyrr. He's pretty worthless.
And LSB attacking Pandain? What?
Like seriously...BUM WAS USELESS SO FAR, so attacking Pandain, when there were EASILY 6 of us who admitted to voting for him (which the Capitalists have no reason to ever do). So obviously we should lynch someone WHO DID NOT PRESS FOR HIS LYNCH. Mafia have no reason to do anything but PM a vote. They do not need to argue whether lynching someone is beneficial or not, just spam their votes onto people. That's more important to take note of with that lynch.
LSB, my FoS is on you now. I think that Opz quite clearly defended Pandain. I find it weird that you didn't mention that when you so clearly pointed out me and infundi.
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sorry, by support i meant support for killing Pandain. should have clarified.
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Here's another theory I'm thinking of.
Notice that Pandian was the Capitalist-aligned Traitor. Does that mean there is more than one anti-soviet group?
That will change my thinking a lot. Right now I'm assuming that there is only one anti-soviet group.
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On September 09 2010 10:29 LSB wrote:
Here's another theory I'm thinking of.
Notice that Pandian was the Capitalist-aligned Traitor. Does that mean there is more than one anti-soviet group?
That will change my thinking a lot. Right now I'm assuming that there is only one anti-soviet group.
hmm well i believe anything is possible with caller. Though i was sad to see pandain not be a man eating panda.
He said some guns were not soviet, and one was even a big hand cannon or something, so that would lead me to think 2 other groups?
Or maybe one other group and a vig? Or maybe he just implied that his own people shot him too. Those are the options that seem to make sense. However the caveat is always on my mind when thinking of these things.
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I like how every game of Mafia on this forum, when there isn't mafia blood the first two lynches resorts to "I don't think there is mafia".....or some "two groups" argument...
There is probably an SK and mafia....
And infundi....What exactly is a Panda?
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where is caller, I am not sure if we still have day or not. I think technically night should be about over but not sure if it will start when caller posts or be retroactive.
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The Giant Panda (Ailuropoda melanoleuca, literally meaning "black and white cat-foot") is a bear native to central-western and south western China. It is easily recognized by its large, distinctive black patches around the eyes, over the ears, and across its round body. Though it belongs to the order Carnivora, the Giant Panda's diet is 99% bamboo. Other parts of its diet include honey, eggs, fish, yams, shrub leaves, oranges, and bananas when available.
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Since NKVD measures wealth of the individual, I am inclined to believe that 'worthless' is town (communist) result, especially since I don't see why one would get scum result on me. Did you check Caller about what worthless flavour actually means?
Hopefully if ~OpZ~ gets off another investigation we'll have clearer idea about the result of investigation.
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Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do?
I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil...
Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak.
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Opz, just look for scummy people. The only way you can confirm yourself is to finger us to the right person
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On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do?
i've been having a spot of trouble analyzing people this game. anyway this is the way i've been thinking about it:
probable town:
Hesmyrr - especially if Opz is telling the truth, though he did forget about the russian boar bear....
rastaban - very pro-town plans, like using #trial, reasoning for public vote, accused Pandain
LSB - defended bumatlarge, accused Pandain.
keeping an eye on:
xelin - inactive until i pointed out his inactivity could be a grounds for a lynch. he's started posting more pro-town recently, but some of them are based on the incorrect assumption that Pandain was mafia, when he's a traitor. this is probably an innocent mistake on his part. his latest analysis post about lakrismamma is interesting too, but not much discussion has come of it.
zeks - so inactive that it's hard to put a read on him either way. we have what Pandain said, but Pandain didn't know any roles (unless Caller changed the fundamentals of the traitor) so it's hard to base anything from that.
Opz - claimed nkvd, meaning he would be the 2nd detective in a 15 person game. Depending on role setup this is very plausible. However a mafia fake claim is a very powerful play in this setup.
deconduo - i'm neutral on him. he's active but nothing about his posts is telling to me either way. noted that he flip flopped like lakrismamma did on Pandain lynch
lakrismamma - here we have a person that has become paired with xelin, because xelin accused him. while xelin makes some good points and an okay clue analysis, he hasn't been the most innocent behaving person so it's hard to judge his motives in this post.
divinek - he's made a decent number of posts but i can't recall any that were very helpful
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some of the players have not once publicly stated their votes. this strikes me as very suspicious: i think freedom loving communist players would have no problem with writing down their votes in the thread for all comrades to see. these players are Xelin and zeks. The other problem is that some people have stated their votes on some accusations but not all, and for all we know some just havent been voting. it's a mess keeping track of this.
One thing i will do is compile all accusations into a list and keep it updated.
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Out of 15 players, I'm pretty sure there are 3 mafia since traditionally mafia count is 20%. Caller sometimes does wonky role stuff,but 3 mafia is reasonable. The 2 kp is strange, since that is very high KP for 15 players. It makes me think there are some stronger town roles (i believe south as the third kill was not killed by mafia). There is probably 1 special mafia role like RB or GF. So if i had to pick 3 players right now, i would pick divinek, zeks, and xelin. I am not very confident though so I'd like to see everyone else posting their thoughts. Please, agree/disagree with me and provide some insight.
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The medic: right now I am unsure if there is a medic in this game. The reason for this is that South's death went through so quickly. So there are a few options possible:
1) there is a medic(s) and he sent in his protection quickly and it wasn't on south
2) whatever killed south was unable to be stopped by a medic, so Caller didnt have to wait for the medics action
3) there is no medic
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Also I forgot to add the town is kind of in limbo right now what with Caller MIA. I don't know if its Day or Night or if zeks is supposed to be dead or if Xelins accusation on lakrismamma counts at all. I voted no on lakrismamma just in case and voted no on zeks. However I placed this vote on zeks when I thought Pandain was mafia and didn't realize he was a traitor. I don't know if I should switch my vote and it's probably too late to do that now.
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it's still day you faggots
Judgement on Zeks-Not Guilty
Pending Judgement:
lakrismamma-8 or so hours
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welcome back O glorious leader
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first mod post thats ever made me burst out laughing from surprise
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I'm tempted to quote my accusation post but that would seem abit churlish, I'll be blunt it hasn't yet elicited the response I was hoping for, I thought I provide some strong, logical and consistent analysis on Lakris.
The clue alone on him ought be strong enough, although the speculation about Pandain blurrs the waters slightly, alot of my accusation on him was based upon the assumption that he knew Pandains role which now at least is in question.
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Xelin....Do you like beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares?
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On September 09 2010 07:50 ~OpZ~ wrote:
well fuck. good catch that they are all traitors. pandain guessed my role. hesmyrr is possible scum. im nkvd. will post later. hasmyrr time to roleclaim to town for you.
This is huge and it requires further explanation. Why did you decide to roleclaim now?
1. The town is in a pretty good situation with 1/3 or 1/4 mafia lynched.
2. It is not sure that the medic exists at all. The early kill day one seems to indicate that.
3. How did Pandain guess it, in PM? Even if pandain guessed it its not sure that he was in contact with the rest of the mafia. The voting seems to suggest otherwise.
On September 09 2010 08:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
hesmyrr. he has no worth. will be more specific later. gotta check pm from caller for proper wording. page 16 bottom i called him worthless. check it out.
in class.
If you checked Hesmyrr day one why did you write he was possibly scum? What clues did you get from Caller?
On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do?
I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil...
Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak.
What mistake did SR make?
On September 09 2010 14:10 XeliN wrote:
I'm tempted to quote my accusation post but that would seem abit churlish, I'll be blunt it hasn't yet elicited the response I was hoping for, I thought I provide some strong, logical and consistent analysis on Lakris.
The clue alone on him ought be strong enough, although the speculation about Pandain blurrs the waters slightly, alot of my accusation on him was based upon the assumption that he knew Pandains role which now at least is in question.
You didn't, you had one clue that was pretty far fetched. And then you had me being insecure about the lynch. That was before the big post LSB made that made Pandains defense buckle.
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On September 09 2010 19:05 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 07:50 ~OpZ~ wrote:
well fuck. good catch that they are all traitors. pandain guessed my role. hesmyrr is possible scum. im nkvd. will post later. hasmyrr time to roleclaim to town for you. This is huge and it requires further explanation. Why did you decide to roleclaim now? 1. The town is in a pretty good situation with 1/3 or 1/4 mafia lynched. 2. It is not sure that the medic exists at all. The early kill day one seems to indicate that. 3. How did Pandain guess it, in PM? Even if pandain guessed it its not sure that he was in contact with the rest of the mafia. The voting seems to suggest otherwise. Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 08:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
hesmyrr. he has no worth. will be more specific later. gotta check pm from caller for proper wording. page 16 bottom i called him worthless. check it out.
in class. If you checked Hesmyrr day one why did you write he was possibly scum? What clues did you get from Caller? Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do?
I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil...
Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak. What mistake did SR make? Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 14:10 XeliN wrote:
I'm tempted to quote my accusation post but that would seem abit churlish, I'll be blunt it hasn't yet elicited the response I was hoping for, I thought I provide some strong, logical and consistent analysis on Lakris.
The clue alone on him ought be strong enough, although the speculation about Pandain blurrs the waters slightly, alot of my accusation on him was based upon the assumption that he knew Pandains role which now at least is in question. You didn't, you had one clue that was p retty far fetched. And then you had me being insecure about the lynch. That was before the big post LSB made that made Pandains defense buckle.
You need to read thread better. All your questions have been answered. Someone pointed out the officers are looking for a traitor in their ranks. So we figured it made sense all mafia were traitors. I was the one suggesting otherwise up until this point.
The rest of them? Go read the other peoples posts in relation to mine. I thought Pandain was SK. And Hesmyrr was pushing for his lynch.
You haven't read anything if I gotta explain why I said Hesmyrr was POSSIBLE scum. Soviets should have "Low" as their level of wealth. But Caller PM's some fucked up shit sometimes. WE HAD A COMPLETE DISCUSSION ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED ME.
LRN2READ
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Chill out dude? That I ask you to explain yourself is not very strange is it?
These are you posts since your roleclaim:
On September 09 2010 08:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
hesmyrr. he has no worth. will be more specific later. gotta check pm from caller for proper wording. page 16 bottom i called him worthless. check it out.
in class.
On September 09 2010 11:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like how every game of Mafia on this forum, when there isn't mafia blood the first two lynches resorts to "I don't think there is mafia".....or some "two groups" argument...
There is probably an SK and mafia....
And infundi....What exactly is a Panda?
On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do?
I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil...
Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak.
On September 09 2010 16:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Xelin....Do you like beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares?
How have you answered my questions? Especially the first one why you chose to roleclaim since it is a bad play imo if you are an detective?
Also the one about Southrawrea what mistake are you referring to?
How am I to believe you are a detective if you make no sense?
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Ok, big post with a lot of my random thoughts. Its kind of all over the place, but hopefully you can understand it.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 07 2010 23:02 rastaban wrote:
## Accuse Pandain
I am going to support this. I have felt he has been playing different this game. He has been town in all the games I have played with him, and it is usually fairly obvious. This game he has been different, the biggest thing that stands out to me is that he is not looking for or pushing for town plans. He is a player who loves town plans and usually has some of his own, they range from bad to good, but he always at least propose them. I haven't seen him pushing for any plans this game. This ontop of others suspicions makes me agree this is probably a good lynch
I haven't played with Pandain before, but the seems like a pretty valid accusation. After the revalation of the Panda killer role, in my head everything lined up and I vote yes for the Pandain lynch. However I felt like Pandain defended himself quite well and made pretty good points. I (foolishly) withdrew my vote for the time being to think about it a bit more. He was dead when I next woke up >.< This game goes too fast imo. I honestly didn't think the Pandain lynch would go through, but in hindsight I'm obviously glad it did. Unfortunately, until we know more information on his role (traitor or actual maf) theres not a whole lot we can deduce from his death. We can however work off each assumption and see if anything lines up.
My thoughts on some people:
Townies:
~OpZ~
Claimed NVKD. Says Hesmyrr is poor. Seems to be legit, but I would wonder why he claimed at the time he did, especially with no evidence to show that we have medics. Pandain attempted to get him lynched.
Rastaban
I've gotten a pro town read from him for most of the game. Pushed for the Pandain lynch.
LSB
I feel is pretty townie. Pushed pretty hard with rasta for the Pandain lynch. If we can verify that Pandain was a 'proper' maf we can pretty much clear these 3 imo. Doesn't say much if he was an actual traitor though.
Hesmyrr
Pretty much cleared if Opz is legit. Could be GF though.
Neutrals:
Xelin
Can't really read him properly tbh. Interesting accusation against Lakris.
Infundibulum
Just don't have any sort of a read of him.
Zeks
Pandain pushed for his lynch, but there is an interesting quote from him after Pandain died:
On September 08 2010 12:50 zeks wrote:
once i die lynch OpZ
that is all
Considering Opz is our claimed DT, I'm not too sure what he meant by this.
Fosses:
Lakrismamma
Accused right now. Xelin has shown a pretty strong case against him.
Divinek
My current FOS. Both he and Pandain claimed Radfield suggested the bumatlarge lynch, he seemed to be pals with Pandain too. Hasn't contributed anything since the bumatlarge lynch.
The good news is that no one is lurking anymore, not to any significant extent anyway.
Finally some thoughts on our situation.
10 of us alive, and we don't really have any information on the roles. No one has stepped forward to claim for the southrawr death, so we still don't know if that was a once off or what. Apart from that it seems like the maf had 2KP, or possibly 1 KP + an SK.
Best situation, if lakris is lynched and is town:
We have a medic, and neither opz nor hesmyrr die. The pandain lynch reduced the maf KP to 1. We start tomorrow with an extra report and 8 alive. In theory this gives us 3 clears if neither are GF, 4 if the medic steps forward.
If maf still have 2 KP, same situation leaves us with 7 alive and 3-4 clears.
If hesmyrr dies it leaves us with 7 alive and 2-3 clears
If we have no medic and hes + opz dies, this leaves us in big trouble. 7 alive with a possible 3 of them being maf, (2 being more likely) and no one clear per se.
So we really need to hope we have a medic.
If lakris is a maf then we are in an awesome situation. That leaves us with maf almost certainly on 1 KP, and probably with only 1 left alive. Even if Opz dies, we are left with a probably clear in hesmyrr.
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Lak, dont worry about Opz's roleclaim yet
Lets get one more investigation from Opz before we worry about confirming our comrade
Opz, good luck hunting down some capitalists
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Get out there and lynch Lakrissmamma guys.
I know some of you are unsure, but I think Xelin's arguments seem well founded. If we can get another Capitalist today it will also clear up a lot of the issues we are having with pandain's role wording.
Not sure I agree that Opz should have claimed but it does help narrow down the suspects for now.
I think the odds on lakrismamma being a capitalist are good. Obviously we don't lynch for information, but if he is scum it will also help us in weeding out Xelin's role since he has really been pushing for this.
Lastly, with 1 Capitalist whittled down we can be a little more risky with our lynch to get some larger gains since we know that there numbers are dwindled and we have stave doff Lylo for a bit.
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I need to know if people are still voting for me. I feel I have made my defence myself against the accusations but if still people seem to think Xelin has a pretty good case against me.
If you are still voting for me please tell why so i can respond, otherwise we need to find a new target before the lynchtime runs out.
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On September 10 2010 00:39 rastaban wrote:
Get out there and lynch Lakrissmamma guys.
I know some of you are unsure, but I think Xelin's arguments seem well founded. If we can get another Capitalist today it will also clear up a lot of the issues we are having with pandain's role wording.
Not sure I agree that Opz should have claimed but it does help narrow down the suspects for now.
I think the odds on lakrismamma being a capitalist are good. Obviously we don't lynch for information, but if he is scum it will also help us in weeding out Xelin's role since he has really been pushing for this.
Lastly, with 1 Capitalist whittled down we can be a little more risky with our lynch to get some larger gains since we know that there numbers are dwindled and we have stave doff Lylo for a bit.
Please write what arguments of Xelin you think is well founded?
There is one clue that could be pointing at me, but no one has explained how the clues from the first day are tied to me?
If you look at my earlier game I can tell you that this is not the first time that I have changed my votes at the last second. I think that everyone has done that as town.
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On September 10 2010 00:45 lakrismamma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 00:39 rastaban wrote:
Get out there and lynch Lakrissmamma guys.
I know some of you are unsure, but I think Xelin's arguments seem well founded. If we can get another Capitalist today it will also clear up a lot of the issues we are having with pandain's role wording.
Not sure I agree that Opz should have claimed but it does help narrow down the suspects for now.
I think the odds on lakrismamma being a capitalist are good. Obviously we don't lynch for information, but if he is scum it will also help us in weeding out Xelin's role since he has really been pushing for this.
Lastly, with 1 Capitalist whittled down we can be a little more risky with our lynch to get some larger gains since we know that there numbers are dwindled and we have stave doff Lylo for a bit. Please write what arguments of Xelin you think is well founded? There is one clue that could be pointing at me, but no one has explained how the clues from the first day are tied to me? If you look at my earlier game I can tell you that this is not the first time that I have changed my votes at the last second. I think that everyone has done that as town.
I don't believe the first day's clues are related to you at all, those were all pandain clues. There is no reason to believe we would be given clues to every scum immediately
Your immediate Dismissal of the clues worries me, why would you think they should be dismissed immediately before we had a chance to analyze them. To me town has no reason to want to ignore the clues immediately, if they start causing problems because it is too vague or town is too focused on it then, sure we can reign it in, but to dismiss it immediately is a bad move that I can't see town trying to push
2nd while we were pushing for the lynch of pandain, you tried to setup me as the follow up lynch if he was town. This again doesn't seem to be town motivated, while I was a big supporter of the lynch Opz actually is the one who asked it be started and there were a lot of things discussed amongst the town. And even if I was behind it, I can make mistakes and we are working to find scum. Town wants to lynch Scum so they will look for bad analysis, SCum wants town lynched, so they just want to pit town against each other and the easiest way is to blame people for failed lynches since they it doesn't require them to fake analysis
You also didn't bring any unique viewpoint or add to the case you merely quoted the existing arguments and said "this is what we have against him" and then followed that by Ok I will vote this way. That sounds like a mafia trying to show he was swayed by town.
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Also can someone Accuse me so we can prolong the day as I am not sure of how much time is remaining. Thanks.
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Figure I need something to accuse you with, so here goes.
(Logic)
I accuse Rastaban for being Traitorous scum for targetting Comrade LakrisMamma. How can you go after a fellow soviet brother! There are no CAPITALIST SCUM anywhere. Glorious Mother Russia has sent us here for her purposes.
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"Hesmyrr does not have any money"
was the clue from Caller.
I'm guessing Capitalist will have lots of money.
About Pandain guessing my role? I assumed Traitors weren't town. Read my post before I role claimed (LRN2READ). I asked if anyone thought Traitor was being used the way it normally is, but then LSB posted this.
On September 09 2010 06:59 LSB wrote:Just saying Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 08:57 Caller wrote:
NKVD Officer: You suspect of a traitor within the ranks. You may investigate one person of your choice each night, and have the powers of an officer. Your investigation will reveal the person’s level of material wealth.
Possibly all scum are traitors? Maybe Scum doesn't know who each other are actually...I mean we found a traitor. Maybe if they target each other they learn. We'll see at the end of night with the question of how many deaths occur. Sounds POSSIBLE with Caller. 2/3 Mafia with no clear signs on each other but hitting each other gets scum to join forces? I dunno....Ignore this, I'm doing exactly what I criticized earlier -___-
Anyway, that's why I claimed. Onto your next question.
What mistake did SR make? He obviously died.
How do I not make sense? I'm starting to think Lakris is my medic I'm looking for -___-
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Defend Rastaban
We're accusing him to extend daytime, lets not accidentally lynch him. That would suck XD
Unless of course you can find some stuff...
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I don't really understand how dying is making a mistake?
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On September 10 2010 02:21 deconduo wrote:
I don't really understand how dying is making a mistake?
Oh...Trust me. It is....
He had to of made a few. Ended up dead night one...You have to fuck up for that, or be Radfield.
It was an assumption anyway tho, and I was talking about dying. Why do you think I want medic protection?
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Dieing night one is because either
a) you roleclaimed / easy to read blue
b) you got FoS/grudges on you from other games (BM)
c) you are too pro town
d) you are radfield
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On September 10 2010 02:36 LSB wrote:
Dieing night one is because either
a) you roleclaimed / easy to read blue
b) you got FoS/grudges on you from other games (BM)
c) you are too pro town
d) you are radfield
Bolded parts are the points at which there were fuck ups.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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All ambiguity about the ~OpZ~'s action result will disappear when he gets another inv off to compare it with anyway. Will start looking over the thread when I have time.
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Judgment:
Lakrismamma has been found guilty by the people's court. Sentence will be carried out immediately.
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Night 2 (fo rela this time)
Lakrismamma was shot a few times through the heart. Unfortunately, this doesn't work that well with vampires. Fortunately while laughing he tripped over a Twilight fangirl and impaled himself on a branch that was conveniently located nearby on the ground.
Lakrismamma the Capitalist Vampire has been slain.
Meanwhile, Rastaban found himself released from some weird voices in his head.
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YEAH!!!!!
And what happened to me....
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Hmmm I think he been overriding my vote since I haven't noticed anything else off and have no powers he could manipulate.
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DivineK is the last capitalist my brothers, if I die tonight Lynch him for my sake. Otherwise I will lead the charge come daylight.
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~OpZ~ ur accusation was too late
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Nice going guys. Yeah, I have a feeling that if we kill divinek we win. Everyone else seems to be mostly clearish.
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I don't want to count our chicken's too early, but very well played guys.
here are my thoughts, if Div doesn't pan out we can reevaluate and pick off the outliers since we have more time. First time I have accused Div when I wasn't scum lol, it feel so weird.
Opz, claimed, pretty risky to do I am going to say town for now
LSB - Town, support the pandain lynch with good information scum would be afraid of it backfiring if he was scum)
Xelin - Working with me in PMs pushing lakrismamma (scum too afraid of backfire if they knew lakriss was innocent)
Rastaban: Hesmyrr - innocent mainly because even if opz was scum he would never try to clear another scum buddy with his check
DivineK - Scum, usualy plays as a scummy town but this game he seems to be posting really safe, he has one posts that is a dead giveaway where he says he thinks zeks is a good choice but then says he won't vote for him (check vers guide this is a huge scum tell)
Infun - Didn't vote pandain and admits only after lynch, scum would claim to have voted for it most likely
Zeks - tooo quiet to get a read on so a fall back option, probably town though since he is so bored
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This was cribbed from some PMs between Xelin and I, I tried to clean it up but it looks like I missed some of the formatting. The gist is still pretty clear.
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man people are so bad as reading me as scum. The one game im scum i never have anyone actually push for my lynch and every other game that im not they all want me to die . I really should be putting in more effort to analyze people and stuff, but this game is fun enough as it is.
You realize that if i was scum i would be making an over the top effort to look town...that's what any scum would do, for sure the ones with a brain that actually want to win. Or at least not break something so obvious as that which ver just mentioned recently rofl.
Why don't you just get opz to check me out if you're so sure.
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Nice job Rasta and Xelin!
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Actually your play this game has way less scummy than usual, thats why I think you are probably the last scum, you bring up a good point though, I am all for Opz checking you, but since we don't have a doctor I don't give him good odds of making it through the night.
Now yeah I forgot I left in the part about the dead giveaway, I still need to go back through all the posts so far and see if Lakriss had any connections since he is obviously working with the Scum unlike Pandain. Once I have done this I can be more sure, but even in my quick glance I noticed you didn't comment once on Lakrismamma and you never listed how you were voting on the issue. If I missed something please correct me.
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well xelin my friend you have redeemed yourself
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On September 10 2010 03:47 rastaban wrote:
DivineK is the last capitalist my brothers, if I die tonight Lynch him for my sake. Otherwise I will lead the charge come daylight.
he is not the last one, there are 2 more i'm 95% sure. but like i said earlier in the thread, divinek is sketchy at best
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On September 10 2010 04:37 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 03:47 rastaban wrote:
DivineK is the last capitalist my brothers, if I die tonight Lynch him for my sake. Otherwise I will lead the charge come daylight. he is not the last one, there are 2 more i'm 95% sure. but like i said earlier in the thread, divinek is sketchy at best
Very interesting, I must have missed that, sorry.
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Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game?
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On September 09 2010 23:03 lakrismamma wrote:Chill out dude? That I ask you to explain yourself is not very strange is it? These are you posts since your roleclaim: Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 08:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
hesmyrr. he has no worth. will be more specific later. gotta check pm from caller for proper wording. page 16 bottom i called him worthless. check it out.
in class. Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 11:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like how every game of Mafia on this forum, when there isn't mafia blood the first two lynches resorts to "I don't think there is mafia".....or some "two groups" argument...
There is probably an SK and mafia....
And infundi....What exactly is a Panda? Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 12:00 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Thank your for that very thorough description Infundi. Since you are around, would you mind giving me a list of suspects, whom you think I should investigate, possibly good actions for the rest of the town to do?
I'm uncertain of what actions to take. I mean, as much as I would like the medics to PM me, I can understand why not. I'm not confirmed, or anything of the like. And the only time I would like to actually confirm myself...is well...when I find a mafia, or wind up taking a hit. I'm not going to make the same mistake SR made...Poor devil...
Infundi, plz PM me....We...should speak. Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 16:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Xelin....Do you like beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares? How have you answered my questions? Especially the first one why you chose to roleclaim since it is a bad play imo if you are an detective? Also the one about Southrawrea what mistake are you referring to? How am I to believe you are a detective if you make no sense?
This is a very interesting post in light of lakrismamma's death
here he is either
1) attempting to create doubt in town about Opz DT claim
2) if opz is scum then lakris is 'distancing' himself from Opz
at this point i'm inclined to believe option (1) is the case here, the motive is clearer especially with the last line "how am i to believe you?"
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On September 10 2010 04:40 rastaban wrote:
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game?
yes, i remarked a bit on that in my long post an page 19. the thing is traditional hosting wisdom is 20% mafia (3/15) and 10% kill power rounded down (1.5/15 -> 1 kp)
so the seeming 2 kp of the mafia was very interesting to me, and my current assessment is that it is balanced by some more powerful town roles or 3rd party role(s). SR's death is a big factor here since i'm pretty sure that was either a town or 3rd party play.
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On September 10 2010 04:44 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 04:40 rastaban wrote:
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game? yes, i remarked a bit on that in my long post an page 19. the thing is traditional hosting wisdom is 20% mafia (3/15) and 10% kill power rounded down (1.5/15 -> 1 kp) so the seeming 2 kp of the mafia was very interesting to me, and my current assessment is that it is balanced by some more powerful town roles or 3rd party role(s). SR's death is a big factor here since i'm pretty sure that was either a town or 3rd party play.
I don't see how it could be town, since they should have revealed themselves by now since that role would have been crucial.
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On September 10 2010 04:49 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 04:44 Infundibulum wrote:On September 10 2010 04:40 rastaban wrote:
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game? yes, i remarked a bit on that in my long post an page 19. the thing is traditional hosting wisdom is 20% mafia (3/15) and 10% kill power rounded down (1.5/15 -> 1 kp) so the seeming 2 kp of the mafia was very interesting to me, and my current assessment is that it is balanced by some more powerful town roles or 3rd party role(s). SR's death is a big factor here since i'm pretty sure that was either a town or 3rd party play. I don't see how it could be town, since they should have revealed themselves by now since that role would have been crucial.
if it's a town with remaining night kills then it's possible that they don't want to reveal. I mean it's only night 2 right now, and we're basing all of this off 1 night of kills. But as for me, I don't see how it could have been mafia because mafia kills always happen at the end of Night. So that means 3rd party? Or maybe Pandain really did do it. Caller is an evil mastermind, toying wit us like this :s
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Okay, so rastaban is definitely cleared via flavour. That's awesome.
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Medic on ~OpZ~, and even if I die ~OpZ~ will then be able to confirm what his action result actually means which is awesome. My only worry is that there might not be prot role, but we'll see.
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On September 10 2010 04:56 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 04:49 rastaban wrote:On September 10 2010 04:44 Infundibulum wrote:On September 10 2010 04:40 rastaban wrote:
Ok I just found it, I thought you were including the traitor in that count of 3. Don't you think 3 plus a traitor and 2 KP is a little bit too much for a 15 player game? yes, i remarked a bit on that in my long post an page 19. the thing is traditional hosting wisdom is 20% mafia (3/15) and 10% kill power rounded down (1.5/15 -> 1 kp) so the seeming 2 kp of the mafia was very interesting to me, and my current assessment is that it is balanced by some more powerful town roles or 3rd party role(s). SR's death is a big factor here since i'm pretty sure that was either a town or 3rd party play. I don't see how it could be town, since they should have revealed themselves by now since that role would have been crucial. if it's a town with remaining night kills then it's possible that they don't want to reveal. I mean it's only night 2 right now, and we're basing all of this off 1 night of kills. But as for me, I don't see how it could have been mafia because mafia kills always happen at the end of Night. So that means 3rd party? Or maybe Pandain really did do it. Caller is an evil mastermind, toying wit us like this :s
All right then, accounting for that possibility.
If you are a Vigilante, please go after Zeks or Divinek
Zeks has been really inactive, Divinek has been accused by Rasta.
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I should be investigating LSB to be honest....Mafia would have known Pandain wasn't on their team and would want what I claimed to him. Keep this in mind.
I think Lakris trying to push for my death or atleast argue for it should be good enough to clear me ffs.
I mean, check it. He wants you to doubt me as DT, he wants me to die, he was trying to hound me and couldn't read through the thread?
If I hadn't just claimed out of no where, I HAD NO PRESSURE TO CLAIM except that LSB's suggestion that all scum were labeled "Traitor". I was hardly attached to Pandain and could easily of said nothing except I thought hesmyrr was being scummy. Even if I was mafia, I would not of known to defend Pandain. So if I was mafia...I would be defending a random person who I would (always) assume wasn't aligned with me because his name wouldn't have been PM'd to me?
-________________-
Where is the logic in that?
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On September 10 2010 07:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I mean, check it. He wants you to doubt me as DT, he wants me to die, he was trying to hound me and couldn't read through the thread?
WAIT A MINUTE
Since when did I doubt you as DT?
The only person I sent a message about you not being a DT was Lakrismamma
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OpZ is Capitalist
OpZ must have been communicating with the traitor Lakrismamma in order to know that I was preparing to attack him.
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Ive been called a sheep before :X
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How exactly does the vampire role work by the way? I tried to have a look around but the only thing I found suggested that lakris would have had to be the target of a nightkill day 1. Possibly something to do with the southrawrea death?
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Also I have a plan for tomorrow that may mean a guaranteed win for town, depending on what happens during the night.
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On September 10 2010 08:27 deconduo wrote:
How exactly does the vampire role work by the way? I tried to have a look around but the only thing I found suggested that lakris would have had to be the target of a nightkill day 1. Possibly something to do with the southrawrea death?
From Caller's post, I'm guessing that Lak was able to change Rasta's vote or something.
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On September 10 2010 07:56 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 07:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I mean, check it. He wants you to doubt me as DT, he wants me to die, he was trying to hound me and couldn't read through the thread? WAIT A MINUTESince when did I doubt you as DT? The only person I sent a message about you not being a DT was Lakrismamma
I think Opz was talking about lakrismamma in that quote, not you. it's hard to tell from the wording of his post.
So what i think he's saying is that lakrismamma wanted people to doubt opz dt claim (for example see the post i quoted a page or so ago).
It's unclear who the "he" is referring to, either you (lsb) or lakrismamma. opz should clarify what he meant
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I defended Lakrismamma?
o_o
Have I even typed his name once.
And Pandain should be closer to the middle. He was traitor. Did you read my post?!
@______________@
How would mafia even of knowwwwwwwwwwn.
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On September 10 2010 08:56 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 07:56 LSB wrote:On September 10 2010 07:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I mean, check it. He wants you to doubt me as DT, he wants me to die, he was trying to hound me and couldn't read through the thread? WAIT A MINUTESince when did I doubt you as DT? The only person I sent a message about you not being a DT was Lakrismamma I think Opz was talking about lakrismamma in that quote, not you. it's hard to tell from the wording of his post. So what i think he's saying is that lakrismamma wanted people to doubt opz dt claim (for example see the post i quoted a page or so ago). It's unclear who the "he" is referring to, either you (lsb) or lakrismamma. opz should clarify what he meant
Na, he didn't clarify yet
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Oh...and I was saying Lakrismamma was trying to create doubt. I really gotta learn to organize my thought processes better.
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On September 10 2010 09:06 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 08:56 Infundibulum wrote:On September 10 2010 07:56 LSB wrote:On September 10 2010 07:42 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I mean, check it. He wants you to doubt me as DT, he wants me to die, he was trying to hound me and couldn't read through the thread? WAIT A MINUTESince when did I doubt you as DT? The only person I sent a message about you not being a DT was Lakrismamma I think Opz was talking about lakrismamma in that quote, not you. it's hard to tell from the wording of his post. So what i think he's saying is that lakrismamma wanted people to doubt opz dt claim (for example see the post i quoted a page or so ago). It's unclear who the "he" is referring to, either you (lsb) or lakrismamma. opz should clarify what he meant Na, he didn't clarify yet
i know that. that's why i said he should clarify.
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Timeline
Day 1
Pandain accuses Hesmyrr (joke)
BM accuses South (joke?)
Night 1
LSB accuses Divinek (cant go at night though)
SR dies
BMdies, Radfield dies
Day 2
Opz trials Pandain
Pandain trials bumatlarge
Divinek accuses bumatlarge
bumatlarge accuses Divinek
rastaban accuses Pandain (bad tags)
bumatlarge dies
(caller doesn't post it but divinek doesnt die)
deconduo accuses zeks
LSB accuses Pandain
Pandain dies
Xelin accuses lakrismamma (only used one #)
zeks does not die
Opz accuses rastaban (to extend day, but its too late and doesnt count).
lakrismamma dies
Night 2
the drama continues!
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Changed my investigation for the third time....-___-
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Hey guys just a heads up that I'm gonna be away for most of the weekend. I'll try to catch up on the game when i'm at my friends house but I won't be able to post regularly. sorry
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On September 10 2010 09:41 Infundibulum wrote:Timeline Day 1Pandain accuses Hesmyrr (joke) BM accuses South (joke?) Night 1 LSB accuses Divinek (cant go at night though) SR dies BMdies, Radfield dies Day 2 Opz trials PandainPandain trials bumatlargeDivinek accuses bumatlargebumatlarge accuses Divinek rastaban accuses Pandain (bad tags) bumatlarge dies (caller doesn't post it but divinek doesnt die) deconduo accuses zeks LSB accuses PandainPandain dies Xelin accuses lakrismamma (only used one #) zeks does not die Opz accuses rastaban (to extend day, but its too late and doesnt count). lakrismamma dies Night 2the drama continues!
Just to point out that the main reason I accused zeks was to extend the day. I wanted to accuse someone and zeks was the best candidate because of lurking. It was more of a prod rather than me thinking he was maf.
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Just waiting on the day post, I figured I should touch base so I dont get mod killed or anything
Infun, why the tracking of the tags and hash marks, was this something you used personally? Not related to you being scum or town, just thought it was curious thing to track if you just compiled this.
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Gotta go to bed now, hopefully won't miss anything interesting in the day post. Will pop back in about 8 hours.
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too fucking tired to do anything right now
night extended 12 hours
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On September 11 2010 06:23 Caller wrote:
too fucking tired to do anything right now
night extended 12 hours
<3
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lol you have to love Caller as the mod.
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Gah, was working today during the finals and I don't want to be spoiled before I watch the vods. Trying to visit TL without looking at the sidebars is really really hard.
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people would be banned for having spoilers in topic titles dont worry lol
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On September 12 2010 02:51 Divinek wrote:
people would be banned for having spoilers in topic titles dont worry lol
I know, but even non-spoiler titles can give things away. Like the ELO records thread for example. *runs away again*
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On September 12 2010 04:07 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2010 02:51 Divinek wrote:
people would be banned for having spoilers in topic titles dont worry lol I know, but even non-spoiler titles can give things away. Like the ELO records thread for example. *runs away again*
How do you intend to watch the VODS without being spoiled in someway anyhow? O.O
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
small vod thread. Spoiler free viewing. I even block the progress bar so i don't know how long the games are.
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Day
~OpZ~ was found dead. Happy?
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So OpZ was NKVD (Check OP)
That somewhat confirms Hesmyrr.
Zeks still hasn't posted much yet...
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So we have 2 confirmed (rastaban and me) + 6 unconfirmed, definitely 1~2 scum. If we use this day wisely without letting it become night, I think the town has this. Interested that there was only one KP though- perhaps mafia stacked two KP on ~OpZ~? Otherwise we have to believe mafia KP was 1 and two separate individuals decided to take potshots at players for some reason =/
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I think it's like this, there probably were 3-4 mafia members, They started with KP 2, (3-4/2=2 KP). But since we were able to take out 2 of their members, they were left with a KP of 1.
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I honestly do not believe Traitor counts as mafia KP, and in this vote setup to have more than 3 mafia member plus traitor (PLUS rastaban vote-controlling vampire) would be imbalanced. Your idea holds merit, but we should assume the worst case scenario - mafia still has 2 KP - and try to get as as much thing done as possible today, perhaps even end the game. I do not see more than 2 anti-town player being alive at the moment.
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Also, everyone needs to roleclaim if you haven't we need end this now, Mafia killed Opz, which was actually the best thing possible, I was hoping they would go for him since it helps up so much.
I am a normal Communist Soldier nothing special, I doubt there are any other roles for town but if you have one claim now .
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On September 12 2010 10:43 Hesmyrr wrote:
So we have 2 confirmed (rastaban and me) + 6 unconfirmed, definitely 1~2 scum. If we use this day wisely without letting it become night, I think the town has this. Interested that there was only one KP though- perhaps mafia stacked two KP on ~OpZ~? Otherwise we have to believe mafia KP was 1 and two separate individuals decided to take potshots at players for some reason =/
Or most likely once 1 mafia member died KP dropped to 1
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Red Army Officer, obviously. I do not see how much mass roleclaim is going to help the town at this point though there might be unexpected developments. Also I missed most of day two so I do not know the basis of Divinek accusation, can anyone quickly summarize the points against him?
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i'm also Red Army Officer
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Red Army Officer
I'm voting for Divinek's lynch. You all know why.
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The role claim is mainly to see if someone was to own up to the night 1 supposed vig murder. and to refute the claim that town supposedly has a bunch of good powerroles
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Yah same here, red army officer.
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kill me im bored and lazy and not capitalist
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shame my abilities are now useless since no one will ever believe me :D
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Why the hell are you breadcrumbing than not claiming your abilities when you are being bandwagoned in mass-claim. That's just poor playing I don't see any pro-town justification against- I made up my mind now, die.
I support Divinek lynch
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On September 12 2010 14:41 Divinek wrote:
shame my abilities are now useless since no one will ever believe me :D
If you are town, claim and describe your abilities please
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On September 12 2010 23:17 Hesmyrr wrote:
Why the hell are you breadcrumbing than not claiming your abilities when you are being bandwagoned in mass-claim. That's just poor playing I don't see any pro-town justification against- I made up my mind now, die.
I support Divinek lynch
ill poor play you right in the face, did you not see the part where im lazy and bored now that there's no nkvds.
You'll naturally find out what i am when i die. Other than that hm, i suggest you look at the people NOT claiming their votes in this thread on me, or anyone really.
Your goal is to kill capitalists, which you arent doing when i die. But i guess days go on indefinitely so gl town
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We have two hours till the day ends.
I'll extend it then
##Accuse Zeks
You know the reasons. (or more of, lack of)
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##Accusation Zeks
Just in case he gets out on a technicality
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we can get rid of all the suspicious people now in the day stage, without giving the remaining 1 or 2 mafia a chance to use any KP.
So suspicious people, Infundibulum, Divinek, Zeks, Deconduo
If at that point there is still mafia remaining then I would suggest that Hesmyrr is a Godfather role, but i doubt it will come to that.
Seems like Zeks has been chosen to start things off, im not too against it although i sincerely doubt he is mafia just on my own feel, but he needs to die to simply cull the numbers of potential mafia so everyone vote yes on him plz.
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On September 13 2010 04:43 LSB wrote:
##Accusation Zeks
Just in case he gets out on a technicality
Thanks, just come back thinking town would stupidly let this day end -_-
Well yeah at this point I don't have that much problem with XeliN's statement, though I'll try to refer back to thread to find some clues. Infundi, explanation yet? It might help us narrow down the list of suspects.
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BTW Xelin, make sure you vote yes for Divinek too
On September 12 2010 11:05 rastaban wrote:
## Accuse DivineK
I'm reading Deconduo as townie now. But that's just because he was playing the Noob card. Deconduo did suspect Pandian, but if we assume that Pandian was traitor, that doesn't mean much.
Hesmyrr, can you accuse Infundi later on in the day to keep on extending the day?
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I think I may be available, but I rather have someone else accuse first. Remember, rastaban then I am the only confirmed players, and thus I think it would be wise to keep the accusation power in the hands of confirmed players as long as possible. Remember JeeJee from WaW Mafia and how he screwed us with delaying his nuke? Thus, I'll only interfere if no one else stands up. The wise idea should be to ask unconfirmed player to accuse pre-determined target, and vote that unconfirmed player if he does not follow town's plan and accuse.
Also, I want to hear claim from Infundi before we accuse him.
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Right, I suggest Xelin or deconduo to make the next accusation.
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Umm Caller... Anyone get lynched yet?
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yeah we need to know what he flips; also div, are you claiming medic and if so did you protect infun last night?
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Actually I'm thinking that Div might be SK, he has "abilities that are now useless". Maybe that means he could have helped the town in an alliance?
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im not an sk or any kind of kp role, no. I could claim medic but that'd be silly. I'm quite clearly not a medic.
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So why aren't you claiming?
If Divinek dies:
*If he is medic- This somewhat confirms Infun
*If he is mafia- This might indicate the Infun is bulletproof SK
*If he is vanilla town- We all go, "say what????"
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Hey, he might even be our mysterious Panda bear />.>/
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im actually none of the above lsb!
lolol
im not claiming because i enjoy the mystique
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Or perfect example of Law of Equilibrium, when Bill Murray exists another scummy player enters the fray? Also, we should be deciding who to accuse next. I am skeptical about accusing infund at least until he has time to claim what's up. Asking for people's input, I'll try to formulate my opinions too but I don't have much time right now (checking the thread quickly while studying) so my analysis will probably come 16 hrs from now. Also I am definitely going afk 2 hrs from now, but it shouldn't matter as I am not going to accuse anyone yet.
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Uhh, can you try to get an accusation within 5 hours? Because that's when Zek's 12 hours is used up.
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On September 13 2010 05:44 Hesmyrr wrote:
Right, I suggest Xelin or deconduo to make the next accusation.
Anyone surviving should try to make accusation them if those two doesn't show up. I'll do it too if no one seems to be volunteering when I have to leave. Honestly I would like Divinek or zeks to make accusation to preserve # of available accusations but =/
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i dont think ive lied to you guys once this game. I act scummy but im not scum, there really is a distinction to be made. Just like scum players acting town are in fact not town!
i already told you what im not, maybe if you guess what i actually am i just wont tell you then you'll know!
you want to extend the day? sure
##accuse hesmrr
weeeee
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i spelled your name wrong but i think it's clear who i wanted to accuse!
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No prob, everyone vote no and we go with the plan when my lynch is about to end.
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the really interesting is why the hell wouldnt i want to claim just red army soldier if i was mafia lol. As everyone else seems to be doing, not hard to do and impossible to verify otherwise. Why are we claiming anyways, just incanse there's any special powers left? I doubt it.
im expecting to die weeeeeeeeeee
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Ok just got back from 8 hour drive
I was in contact with Opz before he died, he thought I was a medic for some reason and Pmd me. He told me he was checking Divinek last night (changed at least 4 times who he was checking). Unfortunately I didn't learn much else from him, I don't think he was PMing with anyone else (if he was with one of you, say so)
Opz said he didn't think zeks was mafia, since zeks posted "If i die lynch Opz." That sentence implies that zeks knew he would flip town - it looks like he's up for accusation again; it's something i've been turning over in my head for a bit
On September 13 2010 02:43 LSB wrote:
How did you survive?
Normally I wouldn't say since we don't want to give the mafia any extra information. But in this case it should be obvious to everyone that if there is a medic he should have had his protection on Opz. So because Opz died i think that leaves us with 3 possibilities:
1) there is an illiterate medic who protected me instead of Opz
2) i am veteran and was hit last night
3) i am not veteran and am lying about taking a hit, in which case mafia double hit opz
4) i am some other weird role with extra night lives (does SK have 2 lives? i know Ninja did)
At this point it should be pretty clear that there's probably no medic, and if there is he's illiterate so there is no medic for all practical purposes. This eliminates option a, so i'm either veteran or lying. Or Ninja. Of course from my perspective I'm veteran, and i think my alignment is pretty clear if you read my posts.
Apparently Xelin thinks I'm suspicious, but since he didn't say why I can't really comment on that
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O am not sure who to proceed, we need to know the results of the div lynch so we know where to look. We extended the day, but if that expires will the day just end? we are using our accusations to extend the day so it makes it hard to know how we should proceed
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alright so i'm voting no on hesmyrr since that's just an extender.. gonna vote no on zeks too (i think he's town)
what about divinek, what are you guys voting? i haven't decided yet but it sounds like (from the 2-3 people that are talking about it) that we want to lynch him for Hesmyrr's plan
speaking of the plan, i wiill accuse someone if you need me to.
also, before someone points it out, i know that i said 3 in my post and it ended being 4. i added it after because i forgot that possibility of 3rd party with night lives (and i can't count)
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im a 3rd party without night lives :D
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##Trial Deconduo
Mostly my fail gut, but asking for opinions.
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Also Caller being afk mod is annoying with this short deadline. The flip should technically be giving us more information what to do =/
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On September 13 2010 22:45 Hesmyrr wrote:
Also Caller being afk mod is annoying with this short deadline. The flip should technically be giving us more information what to do =/
Oh right Divinek and has been determined guilty according to the Commisariat. Judgement will be carried out shortly.
Pending Judgements (because I'm lazy)
Zeks-4 Hours (extended)
Hesmyrr-12 Hours (extended)
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Divinek was supposed to be shot, but they had run out of bullets the previous day as they were shooting animals for food. So instead they gave him a special brand of the People's Justice which we will skip for undisclosed reasons.
Divinek the Fraudster is dead.
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Oh good, accusation against me was extended- we can afford to discuss about the target more instead of rushing it within an hour. Nobody follow up my trial with accusation!
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Had a really long shift at work yesterday, just came back. Will work up a few things now.
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Oh, and I'll now tell you what my plan is.
OPZ is dead and confirmed NKVD. That means hesmyrr is cleared, unless there is a godfather role. Because we town outnumber the mafia right now, we can do the following.
At the same time, player A accuses player B, player B accuses C and so on. Player A would be our clear, i.e. hesmyrr and so goes unaccused. Then everyone votes yes for all lynches. The resulting massacre leaves everyone except for hesmyrr dead. Town wins.
Problems with this plan: Hesmyrr could be GF.
Let me know what you think.
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LSB -> Zeks
XeliN (free and unaccused)
Hesmyrr (free and is not under threat of lynch)
Infundibulum (free and unaccused)
Deconduo (free and unaccused)
Zeks (free and accused)
Rastaban -> DivineK
This is the current accusation situation, zeks should try to get one accusation in against one of his suspects before lynch if he is town. Threat of GF is there, I guess, but there's not much to be done against it I think since it lies under WIFOM territory. The best you could do is to iso me and see if I am scummy or not, I guess.
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Also, any idea what a fraudster does?
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no idea but it kind of sounds like a role that does something with the votes. "vote fraud," .... maybe he had the power to switch peoples votes or something
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Oh I'm voting yes on zeks and no on hesmyrr. To be honest, I feel we will have won after the zeks lynch. Either that or the maf has played really well because no one else stands out.
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Perhaps the fraudster steals someones wealth, that might manipulate the detecting process.
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I voted Yes on the zeks lynch as well but it is more of a formality, one of the seeming confirmed is Mafia and I think we need to systematically eliminate them.
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Can someone extend the day? Preferably voting on infun?
And I obviously voted for zeks.
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Oh nevermind, i didn't see hesmyrr's accusation of dedecuno.
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On September 14 2010 07:40 LSB wrote:
Oh nevermind, i didn't see hesmyrr's accusation of dedecuno.
No, that was just a trial.
##Accuse infundibulum
For day extension.
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Well looking at his manner of speaking it would have been something that helped the town somewhat should not he be NK'd, but also should be noted that his ability must have some form of third party win condition that fits. It's probably going to be end up only as unhelpful hypothetical with him taking his secret down to the grave, but at least I don't think he is the one responsible for SR kill at least.
Did everybody finish roleclaiming, actually? (besides infund that is but I suppose he has some sort of plan)
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I roleclaimed veteran, maybe you missed it?
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Oh okay, I just found the claim in that big post of yours. What is the name?
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You mean like the official name of the role that Caller gave it? Hero of the Soviet Union.
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On September 14 2010 07:53 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 07:40 LSB wrote:
Oh nevermind, i didn't see hesmyrr's accusation of dedecuno. No, that was just a trial. ##Accuse infundibulumFor day extension.
??? You have no suspects?
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We're just going down the list now. It would be best if we don't approach night again.
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zeks
xelin
rastaban
LSB
Hesmyrr
deconduo
Infundibulum
2/7 are mafia.
Xelin is most likely soviet b/c of lakrismamma
Hesmyrr is confirmed unless he is a GF role
zeks is inactive and hard to read, but im leaning at town. but if he keeps not posting it's going to be more and more tempting to just get rid of him.. he's dead weight at this point
deconduo has been posting like a townie to me but he hasn't actually done too much that cements him as innocent
rastaban seemed townie by behavior, but he's been posting less. also he said Opz dying was a good thing, which i dont understand?
Infundibulum claimed veteran and taking a hit at night 2
LSB i'm not sure about. one thing that sticks out to me is him accusing Opz of being capitalist a few pages ago
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too drunk to bother counting
postponing everything 12 hours
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Rastaban is as "confirmed" as I am, it was him who made the clue association to Lakris.
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Just went and checked, not 100%, will try and re-read to get more information but I am actually leaning towards deconduo as the last capitalist.
I see other people are suspecting that as well. I will be voting for him now and if he doesn't lynch this trial I will try and get some better information together either clearing or incriminating him as the facts point.
If you are wondering why, check over his posts regarding Lakrismamma. I had cleared him early due to the pandain lynch, but we learned since (due to Lakris flip) that as traitor the mafia wasn't aware of who he was.
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Actually that was just Hessmyrr putting him on trial. I already used mine to nab Div so if someone can actually start the accusation I would appreciate it. As I said if you are unsure check out his post history otherwise I will try and compile it when I have free time tomorrow.
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On September 14 2010 13:31 XeliN wrote:
Rastaban is as "confirmed" as I am, it was him who made the clue association to Lakris.
oh alright, for some reason i remember you posting that clue.
If it's OK with you guys I can put the accusation on deconduo.
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Just an observation on what happened last night. One of the following is true unless I missed something:
1. The Frauster role has a night kill.
2. Infundi is the last maf and fake claimed hit to divert suspicion.
3. Infundi is legit and we have 2 anti-town left out of 7.
4. 1 maf left and infundi claimed hit to fuck with us.
Finally, no one can claim to be 'clear', even Xelin or rastaban. We have at least one 3rd party role along with a traitor role. Just because one maf wanted you dead or you wanted one of the maf dead means shit.
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Oh and feel free to accuse me, just give me reasons so I can defend myself.
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With all the extentions, lets just see how zeks flips.
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I agree though I am all for infun starting the accusation first and then wrapping it up after zeks so we know we still have day.
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Honestly this game should have already ended by now (in town victory, that is).
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Votes:
Zeks-Guilty
Hesmyrr-Guilty
Judgement will be carried out shortly.
Infundibulum-2 Hours
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The best way to have two people killed is by having them fight in a duel to the death. Unfortunately for Zeks, he wasn't very strong, so he was instantly clobbered. Hesmyrr remained alone in triumph.
Zeks the Red Army Officer is dead.
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Okay so on this island we have commissars that are assigned to students according to their last names. The commissars help soldiers with political conflicts, philosophical questions, execution of prisoners, etc. My commissar is named Hesmyrr and he's pretty hot. He's like 25 and he's only been at the island a few days. Anyway, I have been looking into executing a political prisoner at a the nearby gulag or something over the winter offensive, and the commissariat helps coordinate these things with an loyalty database that's maintained by the commissars. You log on with your Red Army ID and password and you can browse lists of political prisoners and stuff. I was having trouble logging on to mine so I went to go see Hesmyrr. That's where all the trouble started.
Firstly, I walked into his office like 15 minutes early like an idiot and he's in the middle of lunch. So I awkwardly make stupid stall talk until he's finished.
"Oh, hey, Comrade, what are you eating?"
"Salmon. I love it. I eat it practically everyday."
"Just salmon? That's pretty weird." Why the hell did I say this?
"Oh, well, I don't know. I try to eat healthy, natural foods...you know, like wild berries and honey and stuff."
"Yeah, I like food too." *facepalm*
Man, I was so nervous. Anyway, we finally begin squaring my stuff away. He looks up what I registered with in the beginning of the offensive. This is when the kulek hit the gulag. This is how the conversation went:
"Okay, you're account name is [my name] and your password is ...'hesmyrrissexy'..."
Oh damn. I completely forgot that I put that as my password in the beginning of the offensive. What the hell was I thinking? It was probably the longest 20 seconds of my life before I finally got my balls together to stand up and leave. Just as I walk out the door he says,
"In the future, you might want to bear in mind what kind of things you want keep to yourself."
I was so freaking embarrassed I wanted to kill myself right then and there. I wanted to run the hell out of there and never, ever see him again. But something about what he just said kept me standing in his doorway. I decided to man up and apologize. I turned to him, looked him straight in the eyes, and swallowed my pride. And then, it hit me like a train full of bricks.
He was eating Salmon.
He tries to eat all healthy, natural foods, like wild berries and honey.
He told me that I might want to bear in mind what kind of things I want to keep to myself.
Hesmyrr was a bear disguised as a human.
Immediately, the bear saw that I had seen through its charade. It roared loudly and took a menacing swipe at me. I deftly avoided its claw and sprinted out of the office. The bear was soon in chase, crashing through the walls of the office as if they were made of paper. I jumped over the receptionist desk and ran out the back entrance. The bear followed, tossing the secretary aside like a rag doll. The bear began to pursue me through the street traffic. While I fought my way through the maze of vehicles, the bear simply careened its massive force through anything standing in its way. Trucks veered off the road to escape the onslaught of grizzly force that was barreling down the road. The bear was gaining fast. I had no other option but to make my way into the nearest building: a preschool. I burst through the door, startling the children from their naps. Immediately, the bear slammed through the wall, crushing a child beneath his massive paws and burying several other children in sheet rock and debris. I maneuvered my way through the chaos towards the back exit. The pre-schoolers were little more than a screaming annoyance for the bear. Its massive paws cut swaths through the sea of toddlers with each swipe. I used the precious time these children had afforded for me to make my escape into the playground. I scrambled up a ladder to a fort-like structure. My goal was to walk across the monkey bars then jump to a tree which I could climb to the roof of the preschool and perhaps flag down a passing helicopter.
I began my trek across the monkey bars just as the bear charged outside, its teeth and claws still fresh with the blood of the innocent. It let out a monstrous roar and began its assault on the cheap, wooden playset. I let go of all caution and ran to end the end of the monkey bars. I leaped for the tree branch just as the bear's enormous girth came plowing through the entire structure. I grasped the branch tightly as the bear collided with the tree, sending it into a daze. I saw this as my one opportunity not for escape, but for victory. I leapt off the tree onto the ground and grabbed a stray bar that had been shorn from the playset. The bear was slowly coming to so I had to act fast. I ran to the beast and thrust the jagged end of the pole into its jaw and through it's skull.
The bear had been defeated. I shambled home in pain but victorious.There will be more blogs and more bears in the months to come.
But today, I returned home a champion.
Hesmyrr the Bear is dead.
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for rela? I thought I had this set.
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I was going to make 'bah you killed the soviet bear your national personification- die you unpatriotic soviet traitors' post and went looking for image of Soviet bear to go along with it, but I just found this random image that I HAD to post instead.
![[image loading]](http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3672/screenshot20100914at742.png)
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XD at the meme Caller.
But I am really confused. Zeks wasn't mafia, and Hesmyrr's a bear?
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We are missing one to two capitalists.
I will say that I don't believe that Xelin and Rasta are Capitalist. They pushed lakri's lynch.
That leaves Infun and Deconduo. Deconduo did push for Pandain, but Pandain was a traitor so the mafia wouldn't know
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LSB do you have an accusation left? if so use it against Deconduo please
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Accuse Deconduo I guess if your mafia LSB then u win
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###Accusation Deconduo oops forgot the format.
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I'm not mafia, but if you're mafia XeliN, you must be genius.
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Assuming that Infun died.
People Alive
LSB
Deconduo
XeliN
Rasta
If there are two capitalists, they win
If there is only one capitalist, it's Lylo.
We shouldn't lynch anyone else. If we lynch Deconduo, and he's not mafia, it's GG. We should wait a night and increase our odds.
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waiting a night achieves absolutely nothing other than giving the mafia a chance to KP
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If we kill Deconduo now, and he flips town, we lose
If we wait a night, someone will be killed, and the town will have to find one capitalists out of only 3.
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On September 15 2010 11:13 XeliN wrote:Accuse Deconduo I guess if your mafia LSB then u win
this doesn't seem like a very solid plan...
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Oh and if Hesmyrr had kp then i think it makes more sense to have 1 capitalist remaining. bear is a role that sounds like it has kp at least to me.
On September 15 2010 11:37 LSB wrote:
If we kill Deconduo now, and he flips town, we lose
If we wait a night, someone will be killed, and the town will have to find one capitalists out of only 3.
why out of 3? there are 5 people alive right now, so if 1 person dies tomorrow that is 4 people.
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by the way people have been lax on posting their votes in the thread.
For zeks and hesmyrr this is what I see :
zeks -
yes - infundibuum
yes - rastaban
yes - deconduo
yes - LSB
hesmyrr
no - infundibulum
no - deconduo
yes - ????
so i think zeks was probably unanimous yes to kill. but what about hesmyrr?
if you are town you need to post your votes in the thread, not doing so makes it so much harder to keep players accountable...
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Voted for Deco, lets see how he flips.
Voted for Zeks
Didn't vote on Hessmyrr since it was suppose to be just to prolong day.
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Alright so I need to make a failsafe play here.
I'm the only one left that can make an accusation, and LSB is the only player left who hasn't been accused. In case I die, which would be very bad, I need to make my accusation.
First, I need everyone voting to state their vote on the accusation pending on me, and do so BEFORE the verdict is decided please. If I die and flip, and nobody has posted their votes, town is much worse off.
For example we have NO idea what happened during Hesmyrr lynch, because only 2 people stated their vote and a 3rd apparently didn't vote. As an aside to rastaban, that is a really strange play on your part - if you though Hesmyrr was confirmed town, as i did, then you surely would have voted "No" since you would expect any capitalists to vote "Yes." This causes your non-vote to basically amount to a yes.
Now the thing is 2 people claimed to vote no on Hesmyrr (myself and deconduo). However a majority is required to kill. Assuming deconduo and I are telling the truth , 3 people need to have voted "Yes." Assuming only 1 of us is telling the truth, 2 "Yes" are needed. I ask comrades Xelin and LSB to state their votes on the lynches of Hesmyrr and zeks. Your not coming forward with this information is very disturbing. A potential snag exists in the forms of the votes of comrades zeks and Hesmyrr, unfortunately.
So I need to ask the town
1. Do i use my accusation
2. Do I use it on LSB
And I'm thinking the answer is yes, to both of these.
Any capitalist(s) are going to vote yes on me, and I ask the comrades to please vote no. I don't have any extra night lives, but the capitalists will try and convince you that I am a liar and accuse me of being capitalist myself.
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I repeat: Post your votes on my accusation and deconduo's accusation, BEFORE the verdicts are reached
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Infundibulum's votes:
"NO" to infundibulum
"NO" on deconduo - i reread much of the thread and did not find any convincing behavioral evidence.
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No to both infundi and myself.
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Infun plz do use your accusation against LSB whilst you can. I am convinced rasta is almost 100% confirmed town, the last remaining mafia must be either yourself, deconduo or LSB and currently in a worst case scenario where you and deconduo die and are both soviet then we would know LSB to be capitalist and yet have no way to lynch him.
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And as for votes I originally sent this To: Caller [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Yo's
Date: 9/13/10 15:19
I might not be about for a lil bit and so to cover my bets
I vote YES for any accusation against the following players in this day stage
Hesmyrr, Deconduo, Zeks, Infundibulum, Divinek
Which I later changed to this To: Caller [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: adjustment
Date: 9/15/10 04:05
Change my stance currently on Hesmyrr
Voting NO for his accusation, YES for all the rest I mentioned
Rasta can confirm.
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So Xelin and rasta are voting for me.
Myself and infundi are voting no.
Don't know about LSB.
For the infundi lynch, I think everyone is voting no, correct me if I'm wrong.
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I preemptively corrected you in the post above yours
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On September 15 2010 18:04 XeliN wrote:
Infun plz do use your accusation against LSB whilst you can. I am convinced rasta is almost 100% confirmed town, the last remaining mafia must be either yourself, deconduo or LSB and currently in a worst case scenario where you and deconduo die and are both soviet then we would know LSB to be capitalist and yet have no way to lynch him.
youll also be losing 2 town votes and i think it goes to lylo?
its a really dangerous play
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Well the crux of the "plan" is this
Assumption: XeliN and Rastaban are innocent, this is assumed to the point where, if it were false, the town loses
Action: Kill off every remaining player in this day stage excluding myself and Rastaban, thus we guarantee a town victory if the assumption is correct.
Potential problems (other than a false assumption): The remaining players do not vote YES against each other and we end up entering the night stage, at which point the mafia's chance of victory is greatly increased.
If you and deconduo agree with the Assumption then voting YES for each other is the most pro-town move, in spite of feelings that there is not enough evidence to lynch either person. It is a point of culling the numbers more than lynching on evidence based conclusion.
Thanks for accusing LSB though, I'm pretty sure we've now won assuming the night stage is avoided, not being able to accuse him in a worst case scenario was the weak link in the chain that has now been soldered xD
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I voted to lynch Hesmyrr, because I felt he was a godfather role. Someone must be lying because it takes 3 to Lynch.
I voted for infun also.
And I voted against deconduo. I'm assuming that infun got lynched, but caller hasn't posted the results yet. That's why I assumed there were only four people left.
XeLiN has been suggesting really dangerous plays that could draw the game to a close. A question, Xelin, why did you want me to accuse infun when you could just do it yourself?
The big question is, what if Xelin/rasta are the mafia?
Well its to late to do anything, so we better hope there is only one mafia
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Judgements:
Infundibulum-Guilty
Deconduo-Not Guilty
LSB-Pending
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Why on earth you would lynch the Hero of the Soviet Union I have no idea. He was probably shot by accident. And that's how Infundibulum died.
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Ok, we HAVE to vote no on LSB right now. If he dies and is town we lose.
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LSB did you vote yes for Deconduo?
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Sorry you already posted that you didn't.. fml now were in a tricky position, how on earth did you vote no on him..
Well we have 2 choices
A) Lynch LSB now and bank on him being mafia over Deconduo
B) We go to the night stage, either myself or rastaban die and then the remaining person is forced to 50/50 choice between you two for who is mafia.
Option B is looking the most likely to happen right now, kind of a shame because this game ought to have been an open shut case...
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Oh and I'm voting Yes on LSB, can't see his logic in voting No for decon if he were town, yet if he were mafia he knows full well that keeping deconduo alive is the only thing stopping me and rastaban for winning the game for the town.
I'd expect rastaban to be voting Yes as well so the choice will likely rest on your shoulders deconduo. Essentially the question you have to ask yourself is which of these two possibilities is more plausible this game.
LSB is mafia and XeliN and Rastaban are innocent
or
XeliN or Rastaban are mafia and LSB is innocent, one of them has not only duped the other entirely, but also risked providing evidence to lynch one of their own mafia allies in order to gain
legitimacy.
The other option of course is that your mafia and have lucked out on LSB for some inexplicable reason not voting for you, but in such a hypothetical you would be voting Yes anyway.
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Just to further outline how stretched it would be for Myself or Rasta to be mafia.
We know that there are only two Mafia who know each other, as well as one traitor.
To "sacrifice" Lakrismamma, which is what we would of done if either of us were mafia, would be getting rid of the only remaining mafia player in the game other than ourselves, at a point in the game where there are still detective//s left and our only remaining unknown ally Pandain was already killed.
Basically it would be extremely risky bordering on the lines of idiocy.
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I'm voting no on the LSB vote for 2 reasons. I trust him more than anyone at this point, and have been in contact with him through PM for most of the game. Secondly, I'd much prefer to see who dies tonight.
We don't know that the remaining mafia knew lakris was his partner, or even that the last remaining scum isn't a 3rd party serial killer or something, and would have nothing to lose by getting lakris lynched. This setup is completely hidden.
I'm FOSsing Xelin most of all at this point because he has assumed that there are 2 maf that knew each other. Thats a big assumption to jump to.
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Deconduo if there were 2 mafia left in this game then the game is over and they've already won, we are only 4 people left at this point.
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And as to the "assumption" I made as to 2 mafia who know each other and one traitor, if you can't work that out for yourself it's abit pointless explaining.
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On September 16 2010 06:14 XeliN wrote:
And as to the "assumption" I made as to 2 mafia who know each other and one traitor, if you can't work that out for yourself it's abit pointless explaining.
No please, explain why you are so certain of this. And I never said there were 2 maf left, its obvious thats not the case.
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Ah ok tbh your right it is an assumption thinking about it but it seemed like a not too far jump to make that Caller would not make a game where none of the mafia roles knew each other at all.
We know the mafia did not know pandain was a traitor and for them, I was making the assumption that the 2 remaining mafia, Lakris and "X" (no Initial intended xD) knew who each other were. The assumption I am making is that, if you disagree then the only alternative is that no mafia roles in the game were aware of each other at all and that to me seems false.
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And from that assumption, I outlined how unlikely, or extremely risky it would be, for me or rastaban to be mafia as it would mean we volountarily sacrificed our single known compatriat at a time in the game where doing so would have been well hmm "brave" "risky "crazy". It's not implausible at all that we couldn't have adopted this strategy I was just trying to outline that, from your perspective assuming your town, it ought be far more plausible that LSB is mafia.
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Ooops far too many negatives, "It's not implausible at all that we COULD have......"
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From the assumption that Lakris had a partner, then yes LSB would seem like the obvious choice. However, I am not making that assumption. This game has been full of surprises (bear role anyone? lol) so I feel maf knowing each other is not a given.
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I voted against deconduo's lynch. This means that he is not guity.
Although you are talking about the 'implausibility of sacrificing lakris", why are you so quick to push the town past lylo?
We HAVE to get the next lynch right. Lynch me, and the town loses.
I have already told you that i voted for infun/hesmyr. I did not lie, the problem is someone else lied. That person would not be town. We have to figure out who lied.
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On September 16 2010 07:54 LSB wrote:
I voted against deconduo's lynch. This means that he is not guity.
Although you are talking about the 'implausibility of sacrificing lakris", why are you so quick to push the town past lylo?
We HAVE to get the next lynch right. Lynch me, and the town loses.
I have already told you that i voted for infun/hesmyr. I did not lie, the problem is someone else lied. That person would not be town. We have to figure out who lied.
HOw does that mean he is not guilty? I don't follow...
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Whoops, I meant not dieng. Sorry
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OK I am going to vote for LSB, Deco you should as well. Either he is a poor town player or a good captialist player. Here is the PM I received from him earlier he followed it to the very end and then when it would have meant he would die if he was a capitalist he instead deviated.
Here is the proof, Kill LSB
+ Show Spoiler +
Plan: right now there are 9 people
Of us, we have a circle, me, you, xelin, dedeconuno.
If we all survive, and two people die tonight, there will be 7 people left
We could then kill the other three, leaving us four.
If there is still mafia, take out dedeconuno
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Original Message:
I assume you did but can you confirm you voted for pandain
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If you are wondering why he didn't vote for deco, it was because the accusation was already on him so he would have died when deco flipped red, and then xelin and I would have 2-1 executed him.
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I was assuming that Deconduo was town (He's been PMing me the whole game and seems legit). And I was pretty sure that rastaban is town.
Rasta was sure that Xelin is town. So that's why I though we had the game in the bag.
You can't forget my post rasta. If voted to kill someone, it takes 3 to kill. That means someone lied.
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I'm am sure that Deconduo is town
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Deconduo wrote
Original Message:
That wasn't actually my plan. Mine is as follows: If we kill OPZ and he turns out to be a genuine DT, then hesmyrr is clear. Then anyone left alive all accuses each other (apart from hes) at the same time. Everyone votes yes, even for their own deaths. Because townies outnumber maf, everyone except for hesmyrr dies. We win.
This only fails if hesmyrr dies tonight, or if he's a godfather type role.
Since Hesmyrr wasn't mafia, we know that Deconduo isn't mafia either, as his plan would result in a insta loss.
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Uhh, To explain this
Since Hesmyrr wasn't mafia, we know that Deconduo isn't mafia either, as his plan would result in a insta loss.
Lets assume Deconduo is mafia, the only reason why he would push the plan is if Hesmyrr is mafia too. If Hesmyrr wasn't mafia, and we actually followed through with the plan, Deconduo would lose.
So that means that Deconduo is not mafia.
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but we couldn't follow through with the plan, on top of that we don't know if he has special powers to counteract the plan. Remember that most likely two revealed roles already could manipulate votes, I don't think it is unlikely the last mafia has some such power as well.
Unfortunately one of the last four of us is being duped by the mafia unless both of you are mafia. obviously I know it is not me and I am very sure about Xelin, I mean unless you had some impregnable evidence there is no way I will vote him.
That leaves the 2 of you left, one of you is the last capitalist, unless both of you are, but then you already won.
So we have to choose between you or Deco, if you had voted deco it would have been a town win since even if he lied we could then lynch you and win.
Now you didn't vote him, and I believe this is because you know you lose when that happens. Now the best your arguments can do defending decon is convince me that you are the last mafia. It is an either or situation. You or Deco. Well I wanted to kill both and guarantee a win but you stopped it.
At this point you either handed the game to the mafia by not eliminating him or are the mafia
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LSB you bring up a good point though, on hesmyrr dieing. Someone here also voted for him besides you, wouldn't that mean it is decon? Can't you see that he really did need to die, why do you think he lived??? Because he saved himself, thats why I wanted him to die. Surely you see that it was him. We need to kill him tomorrow then.
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Situations:
LSB+Deconduo Mafia
Well, firstly, both me and deconduo can't be mafia. This will be proven very soon.
If we both are mafia, and even if you kill me. Deconduo still lives, gg Town.
I woudn't try to defend myself, as I'd already win. So that means that we both can't be mafia
Xelin Mafia
Xelin would be sacrificing Lak, someone that no one suspected. Pretty unlikely
Rastaban Mafia
Rasta did help kill Lak, of course, from what I see, Xelin was the main person thinking that Lak was the target.
Rasta did contact me to help kill Lak.
Deconduo Mafia
Most Likely.
LSB Mafia
Can't be. I've tried to make this clear
Firstly, I've voted to kill people. However I can't just kill people by myself, someone needs to vote along with me, so someone else is lying.
Secondly, I didn't kill Deconduo. I admit, this could be a mistake if Deconduo flips mafia. But if Deconduo isn't mafia, it's GG right there.
It's best to wait a night, that way we can see who's still alive. I didn't hand the game to the mafia, I am waiting a night so the Mafia helps us by eliminating someone so it's easier to see who is who.
If you vote for me, there is a really high chance that I'll die. Mafia will vote for my death, and that's already 2 votes.
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You are right LSB, though I feel the mafia may have 2KP and it will be for naught anyway. Either way lets try our luck - I am voting no.
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Pedobear attacks Caller out of nowhere! The game ends in Chinese victory!
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holy crap I thought I posted.
Anyways, LSB is found Not Guilty.
Night Starts now. If there are any night actions please PM me.
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Cross your fingers fellow communist, let us see if we can weather this... this darkest of nights.
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Day
Oh look nothing happened.
Sorry, I've been very busy
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Did someone get hit?
Or is there no mafia...
3rd party?
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My guess would be either:
3rd Party with no NK
Traitor
Weird role that can only kill in certain circumstances/with certain conditions.
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So if that's true, what happens if we decide not to lynch people?
Stalemate?
Happily ever after?
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He said day end, mafia kill at night right?
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Uh night just ended. It's day right now
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ok, weird. Not likely but did someone take a hit? if so go ahead and claim it.
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Pulls out a newspaper, lies down on a beach chair and sips vodka
Wana join me?
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So uh, what do we do now?
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I reckon the remaining mafia was just content with the staus quo and didn't wish to kill anyone and instead force the remaining players into committing to a lynch, no doubt with the suspicion that they would lynch the wrong person.
Merely speculation but thats my thoughts, also I still think LSB is the remaining mafia.
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I seriously doubt that there are any mafia left, unless whoever was mafia forgot to send in the kill last night.
What were people's votes for Hesmyrr/Infun?
Confirmed Votes
LSB: Yes/Yes
Hesmyrr: No/-
Deconduo: No/No
Infun: No/No
Xelin: No/Yes
Rastaban: ?/?
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Actually I just saw another one of Rasta's posts
Hesmyrr/Infun
LSB: Yes/Yes
Hesmyrr: No/-
Deconduo: No/No
Infun: No/No
Xelin: No/Yes
Rastaban: -/?
Total: 1-4 / 2-2
Rasta, can you tell us what was your Infun vote?
Things we know
1) There is 0-1 Mafia left. There could be a neutral party or traitor.
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I even made a picture!
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/BukLK.jpg)
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Should we just let it go to night again and see what happens? Or will we accuse someone.
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Decon, what was your vote for me?
And unless we can figure out who, we should just let night come again.
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I went
Yes on Decondou
Yes on Infundibulum
No on LSB
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I voted no on you, pretty sure I said it somewhere too.
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Well, since the game didn't end we need to do something. I don't agree we should be trying to push for a stalemate. If the last person doesn't have a night kill to use then so much the better, we will get 2 lynches to find them. As such I am going to go ahead and push for Decondou's lynch.
If the other player has no night kill then even if he is town we still get 1 more additional lynch to clean up our mistake.
I believe you LSB that you are town, and I am sure Xelin is as well. That is why I think we should move forward with this vote.
##accuse Decondou
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On September 16 2010 09:25 LSB wrote:Uhh, To explain this Show nested quote +Since Hesmyrr wasn't mafia, we know that Deconduo isn't mafia either, as his plan would result in a insta loss. Lets assume Deconduo is mafia, the only reason why he would push the plan is if Hesmyrr is mafia too. If Hesmyrr wasn't mafia, and we actually followed through with the plan, Deconduo would lose. So that means that Deconduo is not mafia.
I believe Deconduo was genuine when he pushed for the everyone suicide but Hesmyrr plan. I don't believe he is mafia.
Vote No.
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the ghost of infundibulum rises from the grave, and eats the last cookie on the island as retribution for your sins!
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if LSB is voting no there is no point me voting, need 3 to kill but I'll vote yes
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Yeah, unless something big happens LSB has proven to me that he's town. If he was maf, voting me would possibly/probably ensure a win. I'm pretty sure that whichever of Xelin/rasta it is they are hiding behind the lakris lynch.
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clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.
It seems there is only one way to solve this.
Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.
Make it happen!
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Btw, can you give your exact reasons for trusting rasta so much?
And the same for rasta, whats your reason for believing Xelin.
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Basically from the way we were discussing things with each other I think the way he acted makes it impossible for him to be mafia. IMO if he is he is a genius of the highest order, or I am gullable
. I'm usually quite paranoid as to who might be mafia in games when I'm town (i rlly suspected Hesmyrr might be godfather for example) but when it comes to reading people as town I personally think im usually quite a good judge.
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I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,
it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.
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On September 21 2010 06:36 XeliN wrote:
clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.
It seems there is only one way to solve this.
Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.
Make it happen!
BW4LYFE
On September 21 2010 07:47 rastaban wrote:
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,
it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.
Okay, I believe that
There is no mafia
What is the mafia? The Mafia is the "informed third party"
I believe that there is no informed third party.
So lets look at the List of Roles
Bear (Third Party)
Fraudster (Third Party)
Traitor (Obviously, the Traitor doesn't know who the mafia is)
Capitalist Vampire (It sounds like a Capitalist Vampire is a Vampire that wins with the mafia, rather than just a blue role)
The only possible role that could be in the informed third party is the Capitalist Vampire.
But that would mean a two person mafia, and frankly, that's really strange.
(There isn't the standard 3 mafia. If there was, it'd be gg.)
Also, the mafia should be able to get off night kills, because that's a mafia power. Unless the mafia realizes that they can't off a person without a bandwagon immediately forming.
It become an intricate logic game. What if Xelin was killed? Decon could be mafia, hoping that I'd gang up with him to kill on of the other. Or it could be a reverse, and rasta could be the mafia, hoping that I thought Decon was the mafia.
x.x
I say we wait a night, if no one dies, hopefully we can conclude that there is no mafia
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On September 21 2010 09:16 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 06:36 XeliN wrote:
clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.
It seems there is only one way to solve this.
Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.
Make it happen! BW4LYFE Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 07:47 rastaban wrote:
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,
it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.
Okay, I believe that There is no mafiaWhat is the mafia? The Mafia is the "informed third party" I believe that there is no informed third party. So lets look at the List of Roles Bear (Third Party) Fraudster (Third Party) Traitor (Obviously, the Traitor doesn't know who the mafia is) Capitalist Vampire (It sounds like a Capitalist Vampire is a Vampire that wins with the mafia, rather than just a blue role) The only possible role that could be in the informed third party is the Capitalist Vampire. But that would mean a two person mafia, and frankly, that's really strange. (There isn't the standard 3 mafia. If there was, it'd be gg.) Also, the mafia should be able to get off night kills, because that's a mafia power. Unless the mafia realizes that they can't off a person without a bandwagon immediately forming. It become an intricate logic game. What if Xelin was killed? Decon could be mafia, hoping that I'd gang up with him to kill on of the other. Or it could be a reverse, and rasta could be the mafia, hoping that I thought Decon was the mafia. x.x I say we wait a night, if no one dies, hopefully we can conclude that there is no mafia
What do you mean by conclude there is no mafia? There is one more anti-town role out there I don't care if it is called mafia or capitalist or serial killer or a pink teletubby we need to kill them for the game to progress. While I think it is a member of the capitalists (with the a recruit-able traitor that does make 3 mafia and with all the black roles it wouldn't have been balanced with 3 mafia coordinated) it might be a serial killer someone who knows he will be outed.
I still say we kill Deconduo and I am sure that Xelin still supports this, I don't want this game to continue indefinitely. Lets kill deco, see how he flips and then we can move on from there. What does waiting one more day accomplish, nothing! If there are no mafia as you say then killing him won't matter.
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On September 21 2010 22:57 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 09:16 LSB wrote:On September 21 2010 06:36 XeliN wrote:
clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.
It seems there is only one way to solve this.
Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.
Make it happen! BW4LYFE On September 21 2010 07:47 rastaban wrote:
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,
it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.
Okay, I believe that There is no mafiaWhat is the mafia? The Mafia is the "informed third party" I believe that there is no informed third party. So lets look at the List of Roles Bear (Third Party) Fraudster (Third Party) Traitor (Obviously, the Traitor doesn't know who the mafia is) Capitalist Vampire (It sounds like a Capitalist Vampire is a Vampire that wins with the mafia, rather than just a blue role) The only possible role that could be in the informed third party is the Capitalist Vampire. But that would mean a two person mafia, and frankly, that's really strange. (There isn't the standard 3 mafia. If there was, it'd be gg.) Also, the mafia should be able to get off night kills, because that's a mafia power. Unless the mafia realizes that they can't off a person without a bandwagon immediately forming. It become an intricate logic game. What if Xelin was killed? Decon could be mafia, hoping that I'd gang up with him to kill on of the other. Or it could be a reverse, and rasta could be the mafia, hoping that I thought Decon was the mafia. x.x I say we wait a night, if no one dies, hopefully we can conclude that there is no mafia What do you mean by conclude there is no mafia? There is one more anti-town role out there I don't care if it is called mafia or capitalist or serial killer or a pink teletubby we need to kill them for the game to progress. While I think it is a member of the capitalists (with the a recruit-able traitor that does make 3 mafia and with all the black roles it wouldn't have been balanced with 3 mafia coordinated) it might be a serial killer someone who knows he will be outed. I still say we kill Deconduo and I am sure that Xelin still supports this, I don't want this game to continue indefinitely. Lets kill deco, see how he flips and then we can move on from there. What does waiting one more day accomplish, nothing! If there are no mafia as you say then killing him won't matter.
I agree with this entirely, my only edit would be altering the name "Deconduo" for "LSB" but either works.
LSB if you actually mean what you said then there is not support a lynch irrespective of who.
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*actually mean what you said then there is no reason to not support a lynch irrespective of who.
There are two possibilities really, non-mafia third party (non-mafia third parties win objectives do not clash with the towns) or a mafia alligned player. As you don't think the latter is true then you should be lynching.
That said I think it's fairly obvious the latter is true, but as you don't then you don't have an argument for voting no.
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On September 21 2010 22:57 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2010 09:16 LSB wrote:On September 21 2010 06:36 XeliN wrote:
clearly there are 2 teams here, Me and Rasta know for sure thate each other are leigtimate and, likewise, you and LSB know each other are legit.
It seems there is only one way to solve this.
Me and Rasta vs LSB and Deconduo, 2v2 Starcraft2. Winning team decides the lynch.
Make it happen! BW4LYFE On September 21 2010 07:47 rastaban wrote:
I trust Xelin he is the one who got the ball rolling on lakris when there wasn't strong suspicion on him and he has been town the entire time,
it isn't 100% since who knows what caller could cook up but I was also cleared by the text that when lakris died his power over me dissipated. He was controlling my vote (Pandain lynch was a vote short so I assume he changed my final one from a no to a yes) getting him lynched. No reason for mafia to manipulate their teamates vote.
Okay, I believe that There is no mafiaWhat is the mafia? The Mafia is the "informed third party" I believe that there is no informed third party. So lets look at the List of Roles Bear (Third Party) Fraudster (Third Party) Traitor (Obviously, the Traitor doesn't know who the mafia is) Capitalist Vampire (It sounds like a Capitalist Vampire is a Vampire that wins with the mafia, rather than just a blue role) The only possible role that could be in the informed third party is the Capitalist Vampire. But that would mean a two person mafia, and frankly, that's really strange. (There isn't the standard 3 mafia. If there was, it'd be gg.) Also, the mafia should be able to get off night kills, because that's a mafia power. Unless the mafia realizes that they can't off a person without a bandwagon immediately forming. It become an intricate logic game. What if Xelin was killed? Decon could be mafia, hoping that I'd gang up with him to kill on of the other. Or it could be a reverse, and rasta could be the mafia, hoping that I thought Decon was the mafia. x.x I say we wait a night, if no one dies, hopefully we can conclude that there is no mafia What do you mean by conclude there is no mafia? There is one more anti-town role out there I don't care if it is called mafia or capitalist or serial killer or a pink teletubby we need to kill them for the game to progress. While I think it is a member of the capitalists (with the a recruit-able traitor that does make 3 mafia and with all the black roles it wouldn't have been balanced with 3 mafia coordinated) it might be a serial killer someone who knows he will be outed.
By mafia I mean an Informed minority that decides during the night who to kill.
I think that everyone is third party. Just some are third party aligned with mafia.
This means that I wouldn't know that Pandian was traitor. And Rasta/Xelin wouldn't know that Lakris was Vampire
This is why I'm not so sure that you guys (Rasta/Xelin) are town.
I still say we kill Deconduo and I am sure that Xelin still supports this, I don't want this game to continue indefinitely. Lets kill deco, see how he flips and then we can move on from there. What does waiting one more day accomplish, nothing! If there are no mafia as you say then killing him won't matter.
The problem is, I know that Deconduo is town. So really, we kind of are at a stalemate. Now we just need to know how to break it.
I'm not just going to lynch someone for the sake of Lynching. I don't know what you are doing that. If you think I'm mafia, why aren't you trying to lynch me?
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Uh, is that a joke?
BTW, who do you support? I want to know who to kill... I mean, I want to know your opinion.
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Night
As you may have already surmised, deconduo survives
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I think it makes sense for the last role left to be a traitor. It means that it was 3-3-9 maf/3rd/town which seems pretty fair.
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Interesting, that might mean that there is no way for the traitor to win.
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Oh, just spotted this when rereading. Makes me pretty sure theres only a traitor left and he doesn't have a night action.
On September 17 2010 14:17 Caller wrote:
If there are any night actions please PM me.
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traitor makes sense, it would explain LSB's way of playing that he is a traitor and refusing to lynch you decon, if he lynches you (technically good for his win objective) he knows full well me and rasta will instantly lynch him. If he were mafia it wouldn't matter as he could agree to lynching you and then go ahead and kil either me or rasta in the night stage securing a win. Yet he can't so traitor role makes sense.
This is now a game of "wait until deconduo realises he should lynch LSB"
The possibility of decon being traitor and LSB being townie is there, but in my eyes the traitor is definately LSB.
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Lol, me and LSB came to the conclusion that the game is now 'wait until rasta realises he should lynch Xelin'
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sneak sneak sneak
At least the game has met solid conclusion for me, you unlucky survivors.
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You don't think if I was a traitor I would have played the WORST game in history?
Fakerole PM: "You are a traitor your sided with the mafia blah blah"
Me :D "I know ! ! ! ! 1 For my first act of traitorismlificationisation, I'll go inactive for most of the start of the game, and then, I'll swoop into the game and make a series of well founded accusations against one of the most likely mafia players left in this. That way were sure to win!!!"
If I was mafia the idea of me sacrificing lakris in order to gain legitimacy at least is plausible, If, as you claim, you believe there to only be a traitor left then it's not plausible and errs on the side of ignorant stupidity (in a nice non offensive way, not saying YOU are ignorant and stupid just the conclusion you've reached ^^)
Tbh I shouldn't assume LSB is the last, quite frankly it could easily be you decon but overall I think LSB's style of play seems to me more consistent with a traitor role, his not lynching you in and of itself is telling enough, but I mean looking back at his posting earlier in the thread.
Cliffnotes: Idiotic conclusions reached, still waiting on the one remaining town out of LSB and Decon to reach an epiphany.
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Day
Once again nothing happened. For Christ's sake yo.
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On September 25 2010 03:52 XeliN wrote:
You don't think if I was a traitor I would have played the WORST game in history?
Fakerole PM: "You are a traitor your sided with the mafia blah blah"
Me :D "I know ! ! ! ! 1 For my first act of traitorismlificationisation, I'll go inactive for most of the start of the game, and then, I'll swoop into the game and make a series of well founded accusations against one of the most likely mafia players left in this. That way were sure to win!!!"
You're always inactive at the start of practically every game.
If I was mafia the idea of me sacrificing lakris in order to gain legitimacy at least is plausible, If, as you claim, you believe there to only be a traitor left then it's not plausible and errs on the side of ignorant stupidity (in a nice non offensive way, not saying YOU are ignorant and stupid just the conclusion you've reached ^^)
Okay, guys. The main reason we think XeliN is town is because of his Accusation of Lakris right?
First of all, I'm going to dispel some assumptions
XeliN wouldn't have killed his scumbuddy on purpose: False
Actually he could. Mafia in this game don't know each other. There are probably 2 traitor roles, and a capitalist aligned SK (Lakris)
I assumed that XeliN couldn’t be scum because scum wouldn’t start the ball rolling on scum. But Xelin's kill could have been a mistake
XeliN’s accusation of Lakris had merit: False
Looking back at his accusation, it’s actually quiet sketchy.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2010 03:43 XeliN wrote:The time seems prudent now, an #Accusation against Lakrismamma I aim for this to be concise and simple so to start, the clue: + Show Spoiler +On September 08 2010 12:17 Caller wrote:
Pandain was in the midst of defending himself when suddenly he was shot multiple times by a variety of hand guns, most of which were proud Soviet issued Nagants but a handful of which did not seem Soviet. One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon.
This suggests one thing, among the people publically supporting the Pandain lynch, at least one of them are capitalist. Here the most suggestive part for clue making is “One of them even sounded like an old 13th Century Hand Cannon”. Now look at Lakrismamma’s quotation in his profile “I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes. ”. Here is where I believe the clue to be linked, my idea being a 13th Century Hand Cannon is exactly the type of “thunder” that might break walls and window panes” I spent a fairly long time trying to analyse this clue, even spent about 10minutes scanning a Wikipedia article on Cannons and their history but missed this entirely, I did not make the link but it is strong imo, just as strong as the clue that led us to Pandain becoming Deadpan (LOL PUN!) And now to Lakris’ posting, and as were on the subject of Pandains clue here is the first thing I found telling. This is Lakrismamma’s post immediately after Caller wrote the clue about a mauling panda. Show nested quote +On September 06 2010 07:21 lakrismamma wrote:
I don't think that we should focus on clues day one. We should analyze posts instead.
Especially when we don't know if there are clues in the game.
Does Caller usually have this? I think the panda clue was of the type that the mafia would instantly know it reffered to Pandain and would naturally be quite anxious for people not to make the association or, if it came to that, to be able to dismiss it as ambiguous.
First of all, Pandain wasn’t the panda. The person who got mauled was because of the Bear, Hesmyrr.
In fact, TLMafia has played without clues for a looong time. It strange why XeliN would suddenly bring up clues. And it’s not like it’s specific. Caller could just simply be describing that the mafia executed someone with a gun.
+ Show Spoiler +[quote] + Show Spoiler + On September 08 2010 05:31 lakrismamma wrote:
Ok maybe im beeing easily pursuaded but I will unvote.
This to me is clearly a sign of someone trying to cover themselves, he can claim “I supported the lynch on Pandain and argued why” if Pandain is lynched and revealed to be capitalist whilst at the same time try to avoid that supporting Pandain, saying he will change his vote and perhaps hoping others will follow suit. Mild tendancies in argument can often be a tell in mafia play and IMO Lakris’ posting is an example of it. I’m of the opinion that simply the strength of the clue (subjective but I believe it is a strong one, or as strong as clues are likely to be in this game) as well as his support of Bum’s lynch and mild way in not committing for or against Pandains lynch are enough in and off themselves for the lynch, but if you go over his posts there are other more subtle things I can find but they are more WIFOMy//more subjective. And so gentlemen there’s my evidence mingled with my opinion. Blood is that most precious of substances yet in this example I think it ought be spilled.
Again, this "cover themselves attack" relies on the assumption that the mafia knows who the others mafia members were. But the problem is, Pandain is a traitor. Lakris couldn’t have known that he was mafia.
And as a reason for someone being mafia, Indecisiveness is a lame argument that was easy to make. Anyone can make that. I can go through XeliN's day one post and make that argument, but I won't because its the real arguments that find scum
XeliN has been pro town: False
Day 2: Xelin pushes Lakris’s lynch on flimsy evidence
It looks like he is just getting the ball rolling, trying to get an early bandwagon
Day3: I push for the lynch of the 4 people outside of our circle. Xelin sits back
Day 3/4: Xelin then pushes for my lynch.
I know I’m town. In fact, Xelin hasn’t really been focusing on me that much, if he seriously believe that I was mafia, why didn’t he accuse me yesterday?
Lastly, the vote
When we look at the claimed votes, a lot could be explained if Xelin lied.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/8YFiO.jpg)
If Xelin and Infun lied, Hesmyrr would get lynched. That is the most probable possibility.
What if Rasta lied? The problem is, then two other people would have to lie, Xelin and Infun, so either way, Xelin has to have lied.
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Suhweet, Caller Ninjaed me
##Accuse: XeliN
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Oh awesome.I was just about to start a long accusation of Xelin along the same lines, you've saved me some work. I might have one or two things to add in a minute, but you summed it up pretty awesomely.
Voting yes.
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GL getting this one through guys
LOL
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Caller your no longer leaving any clues btw, that might help to escape this stagnation xD
Although earlier you phrased something in a way which made it seem like the lack of any clues was actually a clue in and of itself so mayb I need to have a brainstorm...
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Briefly skimmed your shennanigans and saw something about voting so this might assist, every vote cast so far. I didn't vote at all on the pandain which is why it's missing
To: Caller [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Heyo
Date: 9/9/10 14:05
Do I need to vote on my own accusation or is it assumed as a given?
Just incase Yes to Lakrismamma's lynch ^^
To: Caller [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Yo's
Date: 9/13/10 15:19
I might not be about for a lil bit and so to cover my bets
I vote YES for any accusation against the following players in this day stage
Hesmyrr, Deconduo, Zeks, Infundibulum, Divinek
To: Caller [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: adjustment
Date: 9/15/10 04:05
Change my stance currently on Hesmyrr
Voting NO for his accusation, YES for all the rest I mentioned
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*Waits excitedly to see how LSB will maintain the votes are clearly faked yet try to not show his ulterior motive*
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Well do you have any suggestions to break this impasse? I notice that you haven't done anything to defend yourself other than post some easily faked PMs. You are just sitting back in the knowledge that rasta will stop you from getting lynched rather than doing anything helpful or useful.
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I think any rational person should be able to deduce the flaws in LSB's claims for themselves, the only person I would really need to persuade not to vote would be rasta and I already know he's a rational person so it would be in vain.
Well there's also the idea of defending myself in order to attempt to persuade the one remaining town player amongst you and LSB, but I've abandoned that notion.
LSB's entire post is a clutch at straws attempt in order to show how I COULD be mafia or traitor, it is him trying to do all he can to make it seem plausible. The fact that we have got to a point where the best he is able to do is argue that I could be and outline arguments and reasons entirely based around establishing this Could ought be telling enough in itself.
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This game isn't going anywhere, lets lynch someone.
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I think we are just waiting on caller to announce the results so we know what to do next.
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Day
Oh lookie, Xelin's dead.
Night in 12 Hours or until stopped.
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meh looks like I was right about Xelin deing town and it probably cost us the game lynching him but I didn't want to wait another week for another no hit night.
since you are so sure that each other is town and don't care about my analysis go ahead and lynch me so we can let the mafia win
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I was pretty certain Xelin was maf
Go ahead and post your analysis. I'm interested in hearing it anyway.
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On September 25 2010 08:26 XeliN wrote:GL getting this one through guys LOL
Poetic justice
GL guys!
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On September 28 2010 03:18 rastaban wrote:meh looks like I was right about Xelin deing town and it probably cost us the game lynching him but I didn't want to wait another week for another no hit night. since you are so sure that each other is town and don't care about my analysis go ahead and lynch me so we can let the mafia win
Mafia admitting gg, or defeated townie?
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##Accuse deconduo
LSB, you already know why, no read to restate my points. You need to decided now if I am town or LSB is town.
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Wow Im glad I died in this game..
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On September 30 2010 23:42 lakrismamma wrote:
Wow Im glad I died in this game..
I am jealous
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Fellow Comrades! Comrade Caller's artistic genius yet astounds me again. In masterful stroke of ingenuity, he perfectly mimics the inept and delay-prone nature of communist institutions, allowing the participants to immerse themselves greater into this awe-inspiring spirit of Soviet Russia, making themselves feel just as if there are on this frustrating island themselves! What a masterpiece, what an amazing the mod this Comrade is turning out to be! For sticking with theme of Soviet Russia without being tempted by those efficient but ruthless nature of capitalist scums, we graciously award this hero of the man with Order of Lenin.
+ Show Spoiler +those who refuse to clap will be sent to gulag.
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I think caller isn't coming back lol
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naw that's not it. I was just mildly disappointed with the ending.
Soviets Win
It appeared the party had ran out of food. Down to the last three people. They decided to cannibalize someone for food. Deconduo picked the short stick.
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Meh, I was hoping to get a night phase after the Xelin lynch, shame. GG guys.
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You are actually a Bear. You also do not want to die. Whenever anybody says the word “bear,” you may execute a day kill against them which will occur at the end of the day. You will not be revealed as the killer. You may not kill people who have quoted others who have said “bear,” and your kills cannot occur retroactively (ex. If someone says bear on Day 1, you may not kill them on day 2). You also only have one kill per day/night cycle. You may use logic as everyone else. You will not appear as a Soviet to checks.
I still have no idea how I managed to lose while on such astounding position (or so I thought) in late game.
My secret alliance with ~OpZ~ after I roleclaimed to him secretly. Too lazy to sort them out chronolgically, have fun. Perhaps I'll throw in post-game notes when I have time.
+ Show Spoiler +I executed SouthRawrea (dancing "bears") due to no lynch, would have liked inf but could be traced back to me with 2 posts. I currently have kill power over rastaban (panda "bear") so I hope we can form alliance for our best interests.
+ Show Spoiler +do not claim. ill work this out
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(new PM by me)
I'm holding my post before getting your opinion, but think about it. I have nothing to lose since my identity is exposed to select individuals (I guess). I gain nothing by your death since you flipping NKVD is my death sentence, and the possibility of backstab is impossible since there are infinite lynch you can use to get rid of me when the town gets close to lylo and I can flip over.
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Original Message:
I'll roleclaim Miller, and I don't care about protection since with that claim mafia will be unlikely to ever hit me (at least tonight). I will only use my kill power against the individuals you tell me to.
+ Show Spoiler +Well, I am now able to shoot infund now lol.
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Original Message:
I can't count on your claim as miller being a working claim. You are gonna have to claim some KP role and take credit for south I think.
I'm uncertain but I won't push for your lynch...
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Original Message:
I hope you are going to inform me about what will happen before you make your move
I will glue myself on front of the computer for about 3 hrs so hopefully that'll be enough for you to get some sort of plan going.
+ Show Spoiler +...Trying to coax infundi. Post sounds good. I was thinking of saying something along similar lines actually. That it was possibly just flavour cause caller is none for that. So you are a survivor role? Not really town aligned, but not truely SK either?
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I say "Since NKVD measures wealth of the individual, I am inclined to believe that 'worthless' is town (communist) result, especially since I don't see why one would get scum result on me. Did you check Caller about what worthless flavour actually means?
Hopefully if ~OpZ~ gets off another investigation we'll have clearer idea about the result of investigation."
-> The thing is that even if you really didn't get "worthless" result you can confirm me by saying that it is indeed up to interpretation. This really does not matter b/c if you get scum read d2 you can say "I got 'wealthy' on player A" instead of saying "I got [whatever on your PM] on player A".
Still waiting for person you want me to shoot, and I'll try to read the thread to get my own suspect list as well. Two scum hit - one by my shot and one investigated by you - is optimal scenario but meh.
+ Show Spoiler +why not?
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Original Message From Hesmyrr:
yup. why'd you investigate me anyhow?
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Original Message From ~OpZ~:
you really are third party tho yes?
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Original Message From Hesmyrr:
lol u dead
at least your read on infundi seems to be correct :o (or Caller negligence which is surprising possibility -_-)
Either way it was interesting alliance with you.
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I don't care, smack the fuck outta infundi. You'll win even if scum win right? lol.
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Sooooo do I shoot infundi or not then? I have lab coming up in 10 min. so need to leave for a moment is not sure I can come back before the deadline.
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Infundi and me have been pming. He doesn't ask much because I don't give much out in PMs.
He was msging with Divinek, and divinek doesn't wanna believe my claim and is trying to get him to doubt him. I think infundi might be vet soooooo....
I was gonna have him claim medic. xD...matter of fact....
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No, I think it was Pandain -> zeks -> lakrismamma -> your fail attempt.
What do you mean "Infundi reminded me that Zeks said when he dies to lynch me"?
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Mafia don't have to admit voting for someone. It's hidden. Remember that.
I was going to check zeks, but Infundi reminded me that Zeks said when he dies to lynch me. So I'm going to assume he is town. @_@
Did zeks lynch case go after Lakrismammas?
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eh me too, except in my case I forgot I had to vote at all. I was interested since with rastaban + lakris + 1 minimum other mafia vote zeks should have been lynched if only two townies had consented, but reading the thread over I think nobody voted yes so that's a dead end =/
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Didn't vote. I've been scared to vote yes because this kinda reminds me of RAM mafia 2 when executions were being used. Accuse seems to be a form of execution to me...except it's slower. Votes are hidden so its even more dangerous.
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It shall be done. Quick question: how did you vote on zeks lynch?
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Oh fuck. You're right. Fuck me I was stonedas fuck.
Okay. yea...hit infundi. Wow i'm dumb as shit.
yea. infundi is most likely mafia over rastaban anyway. He's stalling on claiming to me til tomorrow anyway. Wtf.
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Hmm but the thing is isn't rastaban somewhat confirmed by vampire lynch post =/ how does killing him benefit the town (thus me) in any way.
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Im checking infundi.
Lol
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reasoning?
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hit rastaban
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Currently rastaban and Infund has said "bear". I will wait and see if more option becomes available, but my current target is probably going to stay as Infundi in this case. Do you have any specific reason why you would want me to shoot Xelin over him?
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man i picked deconduo out as my number 1 suspect! shame i didnt care to help people find him lol, i told infun about it via pm but that's realy about it
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Alright I want to know how I died lol. I thought I was sure to live, no one had any real evidecne against me(except the clue, which wasn't pushed hard enough and turns out didn't even relate to me)
Funny thing is I sent a few select people vauge pms about A song and changed the lyrics from FBI to CIA, since my role seemed to indicate that CIA agents were the other roles.
Even funnier is if I had lived(and should have), I was just going to claim "OPZ is nkvd", but was there even another kill power role besides Hesmyrr?
Even more funny is the fact he ended up claiming despite the fact I hadn't told anyone yet.
But the funniest thing is this post I made. Remember the "Oh, caller misunderstood the question" thing? Well I had fadoodled this whole thing up. I had asked if traitor had any kill power, and of course he said no. Then after realizing I had posted this I was panicking so much.
Crazy set up, Caller.
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well i voted yes for every person obviously
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On October 03 2010 03:17 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +You are actually a Bear. You also do not want to die. Whenever anybody says the word “bear,” you may execute a day kill against them which will occur at the end of the day. You will not be revealed as the killer. You may not kill people who have quoted others who have said “bear,” and your kills cannot occur retroactively (ex. If someone says bear on Day 1, you may not kill them on day 2). You also only have one kill per day/night cycle. You may use logic as everyone else. You will not appear as a Soviet to checks. I still have no idea how I managed to lose while on such astounding position (or so I thought) in late game. My secret alliance with ~OpZ~ after I roleclaimed to him secretly. Too lazy to sort them out chronolgically, have fun. Perhaps I'll throw in post-game notes when I have time. + Show Spoiler +I executed SouthRawrea (dancing "bears") due to no lynch, would have liked inf but could be traced back to me with 2 posts. I currently have kill power over rastaban (panda "bear") so I hope we can form alliance for our best interests. do not claim. ill work this out
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(new PM by me)
I'm holding my post before getting your opinion, but think about it. I have nothing to lose since my identity is exposed to select individuals (I guess). I gain nothing by your death since you flipping NKVD is my death sentence, and the possibility of backstab is impossible since there are infinite lynch you can use to get rid of me when the town gets close to lylo and I can flip over.
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I'll roleclaim Miller, and I don't care about protection since with that claim mafia will be unlikely to ever hit me (at least tonight). I will only use my kill power against the individuals you tell me to. Well, I am now able to shoot infund now lol.
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I can't count on your claim as miller being a working claim. You are gonna have to claim some KP role and take credit for south I think.
I'm uncertain but I won't push for your lynch...
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I hope you are going to inform me about what will happen before you make your move
I will glue myself on front of the computer for about 3 hrs so hopefully that'll be enough for you to get some sort of plan going. ...Trying to coax infundi. Post sounds good. I was thinking of saying something along similar lines actually. That it was possibly just flavour cause caller is none for that. So you are a survivor role? Not really town aligned, but not truely SK either?
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I say "Since NKVD measures wealth of the individual, I am inclined to believe that 'worthless' is town (communist) result, especially since I don't see why one would get scum result on me. Did you check Caller about what worthless flavour actually means?
Hopefully if ~OpZ~ gets off another investigation we'll have clearer idea about the result of investigation."
-> The thing is that even if you really didn't get "worthless" result you can confirm me by saying that it is indeed up to interpretation. This really does not matter b/c if you get scum read d2 you can say "I got 'wealthy' on player A" instead of saying "I got [whatever on your PM] on player A".
Still waiting for person you want me to shoot, and I'll try to read the thread to get my own suspect list as well. Two scum hit - one by my shot and one investigated by you - is optimal scenario but meh. why not?
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Original Message From Hesmyrr:
yup. why'd you investigate me anyhow?
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Original Message From ~OpZ~:
you really are third party tho yes?
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Original Message From Hesmyrr:
lol u dead
at least your read on infundi seems to be correct :o (or Caller negligence which is surprising possibility -_-)
Either way it was interesting alliance with you.
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I don't care, smack the fuck outta infundi. You'll win even if scum win right? lol.
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Sooooo do I shoot infundi or not then? I have lab coming up in 10 min. so need to leave for a moment is not sure I can come back before the deadline.
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Infundi and me have been pming. He doesn't ask much because I don't give much out in PMs.
He was msging with Divinek, and divinek doesn't wanna believe my claim and is trying to get him to doubt him. I think infundi might be vet soooooo....
I was gonna have him claim medic. xD...matter of fact....
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No, I think it was Pandain -> zeks -> lakrismamma -> your fail attempt.
What do you mean "Infundi reminded me that Zeks said when he dies to lynch me"?
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Mafia don't have to admit voting for someone. It's hidden. Remember that.
I was going to check zeks, but Infundi reminded me that Zeks said when he dies to lynch me. So I'm going to assume he is town. @_@
Did zeks lynch case go after Lakrismammas?
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eh me too, except in my case I forgot I had to vote at all. I was interested since with rastaban + lakris + 1 minimum other mafia vote zeks should have been lynched if only two townies had consented, but reading the thread over I think nobody voted yes so that's a dead end =/
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Didn't vote. I've been scared to vote yes because this kinda reminds me of RAM mafia 2 when executions were being used. Accuse seems to be a form of execution to me...except it's slower. Votes are hidden so its even more dangerous.
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It shall be done. Quick question: how did you vote on zeks lynch?
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Oh fuck. You're right. Fuck me I was stonedas fuck.
Okay. yea...hit infundi. Wow i'm dumb as shit.
yea. infundi is most likely mafia over rastaban anyway. He's stalling on claiming to me til tomorrow anyway. Wtf.
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Hmm but the thing is isn't rastaban somewhat confirmed by vampire lynch post =/ how does killing him benefit the town (thus me) in any way.
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Im checking infundi.
Lol
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reasoning?
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hit rastaban
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Currently rastaban and Infund has said "bear". I will wait and see if more option becomes available, but my current target is probably going to stay as Infundi in this case. Do you have any specific reason why you would want me to shoot Xelin over him?
This is why you lost
On September 16 2010 08:59 rastaban wrote:OK I am going to vote for LSB, Deco you should as well. Either he is a poor town player or a good captialist player. Here is the PM I received from him earlier he followed it to the very end and then when it would have meant he would die if he was a capitalist he instead deviated. Here is the proof, Kill LSB + Show Spoiler +
Plan: right now there are 9 people
Of us, we have a circle, me, you, xelin, dedeconuno.
If we all survive, and two people die tonight, there will be 7 people left
We could then kill the other three, leaving us four.
If there is still mafia, take out dedeconuno
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I assume you did but can you confirm you voted for pandain
The moment that lak was killed, and you missed one of us 4 circle members, you guys lost
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On October 03 2010 01:26 Caller wrote:
naw that's not it. I was just mildly disappointed with the ending.
Soviets Win
It appeared the party had ran out of food. Down to the last three people. They decided to cannibalize someone for food. Deconduo picked the short stick.
YESSSSS!
And screw you deconduo =P
And sorry rastaban for doubting you. In the end I decided to vote to kill you both.
On October 03 2010 04:22 Pandain wrote:Alright I want to know how I died lol. I thought I was sure to live, no one had any real evidecne against me(except the clue, which wasn't pushed hard enough and turns out didn't even relate to me) Funny thing is I sent a few select people vauge pms about A song and changed the lyrics from FBI to CIA, since my role seemed to indicate that CIA agents were the other roles. Even funnier is if I had lived(and should have), I was just going to claim "OPZ is nkvd", but was there even another kill power role besides Hesmyrr? Even more funny is the fact he ended up claiming despite the fact I hadn't told anyone yet. But the funniest thing is this post I made. Remember the "Oh, caller misunderstood the question" thing? Well I had fadoodled this whole thing up. I had asked if traitor had any kill power, and of course he said no. Then after realizing I had posted this I was panicking so much. Crazy set up, Caller.
Rastaban and Deconduo tipped me off, and then I came up with the kill everyone else plan, so I needed to off you in order to thin the town down.
Also while you were arguing with me, you resorted to tactics which I quickly slipped through and accused you with.
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Okay, for everyone, here is the explanation of the game.
Deconduo, and Rastaban contact me. They want my help in killing Pandian.
We kill Pandian and Lakris.
That day we have this plan going
Plan: right now there are 9 people
Of us, we have a circle, me, you, xelin, dedeconuno.
If we all survive, and two people die tonight, there will be 7 people left
We could then kill the other three, leaving us four.
If there is still mafia, take out dedeconuno
Day 3: 8 People are left. Immediately I start following the plan, offing OpZ, Divinek, Zeks, and Hesmyrr. No matter how 'confirmed' Hesymrr was, he was on our list and had to die.
Day 4: I chill, checking again if there is any night rounds, there wasn't one
Day 5: I immediately drive the game into endgame. I enlist Deconduo and Rastaban in order to off Xelin. Rastaban has been trying to get me to kill Deconduo (Bless his soul), but I wasn't listening to him.
Only way I could kill Xelin was to tell Rastaban that I was going to kill Deconduo with him afterwards. I was planning on betraying Rastaban on this part.
But then once Rastaban accuses Deconduo, I told Deconduo to accuse Rastaban. I then submitted guilty verdicts for both players, so that even if I was wrong, I would be the only one left standing. GG
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On October 03 2010 05:46 LSB wrote:Okay, for everyone, here is the explanation of the game. Deconduo, and Rastaban contact me. They want my help in killing Pandian. We kill Pandian and Lakris. That day we have this plan going Show nested quote +Plan: right now there are 9 people
Of us, we have a circle, me, you, xelin, dedeconuno.
If we all survive, and two people die tonight, there will be 7 people left
We could then kill the other three, leaving us four.
If there is still mafia, take out dedeconuno Day 3: 8 People are left. Immediately I start following the plan, offing OpZ, Divinek, Zeks, and Hesmyrr. No matter how 'confirmed' Hesymrr was, he was on our list and had to die. Day 4: I chill, checking again if there is any night rounds, there wasn't one Day 5: I immediately drive the game into endgame. I enlist Deconduo and Rastaban in order to off Xelin. Rastaban has been trying to get me to kill Deconduo (Bless his soul), but I wasn't listening to him. Only way I could kill Xelin was to tell Rastaban that I was going to kill Deconduo with him afterwards. I was planning on betraying Rastaban on this part. But then once Rastaban accuses Deconduo, I told Deconduo to accuse Rastaban. I then submitted guilty verdicts for both players, so that even if I was wrong, I would be the only one left standing. GG
actually, if rasta had been first, you wouldve lost
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On October 03 2010 05:39 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 01:26 Caller wrote:
naw that's not it. I was just mildly disappointed with the ending.
Soviets Win
It appeared the party had ran out of food. Down to the last three people. They decided to cannibalize someone for food. Deconduo picked the short stick. YESSSSS! And screw you deconduo =P And sorry rastaban for doubting you. In the end I decided to vote to kill you both. Show nested quote +On October 03 2010 04:22 Pandain wrote:Alright I want to know how I died lol. I thought I was sure to live, no one had any real evidecne against me(except the clue, which wasn't pushed hard enough and turns out didn't even relate to me) Funny thing is I sent a few select people vauge pms about A song and changed the lyrics from FBI to CIA, since my role seemed to indicate that CIA agents were the other roles. Even funnier is if I had lived(and should have), I was just going to claim "OPZ is nkvd", but was there even another kill power role besides Hesmyrr? Even more funny is the fact he ended up claiming despite the fact I hadn't told anyone yet. But the funniest thing is this post I made. Remember the "Oh, caller misunderstood the question" thing? Well I had fadoodled this whole thing up. I had asked if traitor had any kill power, and of course he said no. Then after realizing I had posted this I was panicking so much. Crazy set up, Caller. Rastaban and Deconduo tipped me off, and then I came up with the kill everyone else plan, so I needed to off you in order to thin the town down. Also while you were arguing with me, you resorted to tactics which I quickly slipped through and accused you with.
Explain the bolded part.
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You supported killing inactive.
It was only natural that I start tripping you up =P
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On October 03 2010 06:32 LSB wrote:
You supported killing inactive.
It was only natural that I start tripping you up =P
I disagree, killing inactives is usually the best course of action in my eyes(for day one lynch.)
Day one lynches are almost always wrong, and in the beginning I find it safer to lynch the "lurking Inactives" and get everyone talking. Even if we don't lynch an inactive, it forces everyone to get talking.
Regardless, I died, so I did something wrong. I have to look through my posts.
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mafia are never inactive on day1 wtf
there's a difference between pressure votes than straight up lynching someone you know can't ever be mafia
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On October 03 2010 06:48 Divinek wrote:
mafia are never inactive on day1 wtf
there's a difference between pressure votes than straight up lynching someone you know can't ever be mafia
They're more likely than not. It's hard to differentiate between the lazy/bored/unsure inactive townie and the lurking mafia, but theres a difference. Notice I didn't say, we'll lynch more mafia(neccesarily), but that its safer
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Oh also, there was basically no mafia in this game. My self and lakris weren't told about each other and Pandain was a traitor. Even though I had partners, I was esentially a serial killer.
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mafia are more likely than not inactive? They're never inactive day 1 lol, it's safer to RNG a name out of the active people because then you have a decent shot at hitting mafia because all the mafia are amongst the active people at the start of a game. Obviously not usually the MOST active but they're never the people who get singled out for being inactive
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It was hard playing wothout knowing who your mafia members are.
I got lynched because of my association with Pandain. But actually I didn't know he was mafia and I voted yes to kill him..
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On October 03 2010 18:12 lakrismamma wrote:
It was hard playing wothout knowing who your mafia members are.
I got lynched because of my association with Pandain. But actually I didn't know he was mafia and I voted yes to kill him..
Actually you were lynched partly because you didn't know about pandain. I calculated the votes and the only way he died is if 2 people lied about how they voted. We ended up finding out it was you and me lying since I assume your power was changing my vote.
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No that wasn't my power.. I could cloak once every two nights.
And how could you count that since not all of the persons wrote in the thread what they voted?
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On October 04 2010 23:36 lakrismamma wrote:
No that wasn't my power.. I could cloak once every two nights.
And how could you count that since not all of the persons wrote in the thread what they voted?
What was the power that faded from me when we executed you then, something unrelated?
I got the vote counts via PMs not just from the thread.
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I voted 'yes' on every lynch except the cases I forgot, I think. As long as it ain't me bud.
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I think my favorite part was having to convince people Caller didn't put in a hungry hungry panda role. How the fa-doodle do you persuade people about that?
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This game is over, sorry I didn't join up Caller.
I'm thinking about hosting a halloween themed mafia with mafia vs town vs vampires, would anyone be interested in helping me host it? I am the TL Master of Horror after all, it's only appropriate.
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