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Radfield, I am confused with your proposals for tonight. For example, why CV LSB and use the Bullet Bill on SR? The way LSB flips will pretty much tell us what SR's alignment is, no?
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On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor?
My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered.
First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor.
A bigger problem with the argument against LSB being "too sure" Zeks was SK is that, if he is traitor, he probably did NOT get recruited, so he would not have that knowledge from the mafia. Someone like Sin popping up to say "hi, I just thought of this, have to go now, byebye" if far more worrisome to me.
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On August 30 2010 02:30 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 00:51 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 30 2010 00:40 LSB wrote:
I'm pretty sure the JOAT investigated night one though.
If the JOAT hasn't, ~OpZ~ idea is pretty good. I'm pretty sure he didn't.  Yes the Joat should look at fishball  . Either you are the Joat opz, or the joat talked to you last night, in which case you are a defensive role. Fishball, now you should definitely reveal who you checked. LSB: you raise a good point. Bullet Bill checking SR does not necessarily do anything, as mafia may not have converted him yet. Your solution baffles me though. You say that instead of BBing SR, Fishball should check you. But everything that holds true for SR also holds true for you. If you are the traitor then you are not necessarily a mafia yet, same as SR. Chaoser hasn't talked in a long time though. I'd like to hear his thoughts.
I am not traitor first of all.
I am aware that people think I am a converted traitor (ie mafia) because I exposed Zeks as the SK. They think that my finding of zeks was because I was fed the information after I was converted. Once Fishball investigates me, I will be proven that I am not mafia.
So if you think I'm a converted traitor, this is an easy way to "catch me".
As for Chaoser... he's been lurking for a while... he's made his obligatory 1 post every 24 hours. If SR flips townie, I'm going after him for being traitor.
Yes I am aware that the BulletBill does not clear me of traitor suspicions. But that should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, once Chaoser's dead, I'll be cleared
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I thought scum were the only people who support modkills @_@ WHATS GOING ON HERE.
Honestly his post seems extremely scum anyway..."sorry guys, was trying to wait for last minute?" Huh?
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On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor?
My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered.
First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor.
1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before.
Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951
2. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you.
The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim.
3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up.
Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this)
BulletBill investigating me should take care of that.
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On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Damn it. The ALL function is gone. I remember that someone(jeejee maybe?) posted a way to use add-ons or something to get a hack version of the all function. This was posted somewhere else in the Mafia forums. Anyone remember where it is or what it is?
autopager addon for ff
lemme know if you need help setting it up
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On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote:
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor?
My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered.
First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor. 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951.
Yeah, and you didn't ever respond to my post. :/
I'll post it here if you want to explain why you knew/guessed logicaly.
On August 29 2010 06:50 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:45 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote:
Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it.
Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here.
We should have already figured that out
This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead.
But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop
Mafia tries to kill Zeks
But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!!
Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him.
##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer.
Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town Actually, while I'm going to believe you unless a doctor claims he protected Zeks, your whole "proof" relies on that Subversion picked rolecop. Given only 20 minutes to pick, its not unlikely mafia was unprepared for a replacement/was not on on that time. I wouldn't be surprised if subversion, trying to find a good mafia role and unaware of the plan(correct?), picked either CV(duh) Prince of darkness(good mafia role) or even bad santa(at the very list interesting/grants KP) But again, I'm going to vote for zeks because 1.He claimed rolecop 2.He won't explain that quote 3. A doctor hasn't said he protected him. I'll wait till probably ~7 tommorow just to give time for a doctor to claim, but until then my mind's set on voting Zeks.
On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote:
3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up.
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Never doubt the power of human stupidity to ruin the best laid plans.
For proof: See my reading fail at a first grade level last game when I was ninja.
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On August 30 2010 00:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 00:26 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote:
Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why?
Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt.
Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role. Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town? Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself? That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa)
My proposal for tonight:
Compvig LSB
Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea
Tracker follow Fishball
Medic protect Fishball
This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything. The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather. Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again. Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me. As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia. As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB) Tracker follow Fishball Martyr protect Fishball Compvig SouthrawreaWhy the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once Problem here is...I think you were traitor, and now mafia, and Fishball is mafia...So...Combine two and two...and you get four...So Fishball will say you don't have a weapon even if you do? How about JOAT investigates Fishballs!!! Yaaaaaaaay.
Sry, you missed this post LSB
=D
Him being Bullet Bill and doing anything doesn't confirm you. We know his role, not his alignment. If he is mafia, and you were traitor you could have
A) been converted last night, and he could be mafia, thereby nullifies usefulness
B) Be converted by him visiting you tonight
C)*Random assortment of you living, and being PoD* PoD is kind of a boring role, so I think traitor is more likely.
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Huh this was supposed to be one big post. I fail so much lol.
On August 30 2010 02:45 Pandain wrote:Fun Fact: If you guys had been wondering why I continuously asked if someone had been roleblocked, that was becasuse I am martyr and can be roleblocked. However, no one has said so, and I'm almost certain everyone has talked since then. That leaves 1 of 3 possibilities 1. Someone has no said they were roleblocked yet(highly doubtful) 2.There is no roleblocker 3. Roleblocker was afk and didn't get to use his role. I think the second possibility is the most likely. However, the third is also possible. Now who would be afk during then? Brownbear comes to mind. Anyone else? I'm starting to think I might be an unstoppable medic(that is until I die.  ).
Also, there's a fourth possibility.
One of Chaoser, LSB, and even maybe, MAYBE South was roleblocked. And they're not saying because they are traitor.
Also opz (un?)intentionally claiming Joat is a concern. Why?
Well first of all, why would Joat talk to Opz first? Without any information to give or anything. The only thing I could see is tha the wanted Opz to know he was Joat, but then the Joat wouldn't even know he was safe, so that would be a bad idea.
Furthormore, the JoaT would have no need to tell Opz, as if OpZ was not Joat he would already know that the other person was Joat(or there was none at all.)
*scratches his chin*
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On August 30 2010 03:16 Pandain wrote:Huh this was supposed to be one big post. I fail so much lol. Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 02:45 Pandain wrote:Fun Fact: If you guys had been wondering why I continuously asked if someone had been roleblocked, that was becasuse I am martyr and can be roleblocked. However, no one has said so, and I'm almost certain everyone has talked since then. That leaves 1 of 3 possibilities 1. Someone has no said they were roleblocked yet(highly doubtful) 2.There is no roleblocker 3. Roleblocker was afk and didn't get to use his role. I think the second possibility is the most likely. However, the third is also possible. Now who would be afk during then? Brownbear comes to mind. Anyone else? I'm starting to think I might be an unstoppable medic(that is until I die. ). Also, there's a fourth possibility. One of Chaoser, LSB, and even maybe, MAYBE South was roleblocked. And they're not saying because they are traitor. Also opz (un?)intentionally claiming Joat is a concern. Why? Well first of all, why would Joat talk to Opz first? Without any information to give or anything. The only thing I could see is tha the wanted Opz to know he was Joat, but then the Joat wouldn't even know he was safe, so that would be a bad idea. Furthormore, the JoaT would have no need to tell Opz, as if OpZ was not Joat he would already know that the other person was Joat(or there was none at all.) *scratches his chin*
I didn't claim JOAT
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I just said I doubt he did.
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On August 30 2010 03:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:16 Pandain wrote:Huh this was supposed to be one big post. I fail so much lol. On August 30 2010 02:45 Pandain wrote:Fun Fact: If you guys had been wondering why I continuously asked if someone had been roleblocked, that was becasuse I am martyr and can be roleblocked. However, no one has said so, and I'm almost certain everyone has talked since then. That leaves 1 of 3 possibilities 1. Someone has no said they were roleblocked yet(highly doubtful) 2.There is no roleblocker 3. Roleblocker was afk and didn't get to use his role. I think the second possibility is the most likely. However, the third is also possible. Now who would be afk during then? Brownbear comes to mind. Anyone else? I'm starting to think I might be an unstoppable medic(that is until I die. ). Also, there's a fourth possibility. One of Chaoser, LSB, and even maybe, MAYBE South was roleblocked. And they're not saying because they are traitor. Also opz (un?)intentionally claiming Joat is a concern. Why? Well first of all, why would Joat talk to Opz first? Without any information to give or anything. The only thing I could see is tha the wanted Opz to know he was Joat, but then the Joat wouldn't even know he was safe, so that would be a bad idea. Furthormore, the JoaT would have no need to tell Opz, as if OpZ was not Joat he would already know that the other person was Joat(or there was none at all.) *scratches his chin* I didn't claim JOAT -__- I just said I doubt he did.
My bad.
i look too much into posts sometimes.
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On August 30 2010 03:15 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote:On August 30 2010 02:55 Radfield wrote:
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor?
My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer.
I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered.
First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor. 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951. Yeah, and you didn't ever respond to my post. :/ I'll post it here if you want to explain why you knew/guessed logicaly. Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:50 Pandain wrote:On August 29 2010 06:45 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote:
Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it.
Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here.
We should have already figured that out
This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead.
But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop
Mafia tries to kill Zeks
But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!!
Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him.
##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer.
Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town Actually, while I'm going to believe you unless a doctor claims he protected Zeks, your whole "proof" relies on that Subversion picked rolecop. Given only 20 minutes to pick, its not unlikely mafia was unprepared for a replacement/was not on on that time. I wouldn't be surprised if subversion, trying to find a good mafia role and unaware of the plan(correct?), picked either CV(duh) Prince of darkness(good mafia role) or even bad santa(at the very list interesting/grants KP) But again, I'm going to vote for zeks because 1.He claimed rolecop 2.He won't explain that quote 3. A doctor hasn't said he protected him. I'll wait till probably ~7 tommorow just to give time for a doctor to claim, but until then my mind's set on voting Zeks. Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote:
3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up.
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I've actually responded to your post in a way, you asked the same questions as SR
1. He lies
On August 29 2010 06:47 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:46 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:44 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote:
Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game".
So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion
LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies
2. He had 2 hours
On August 29 2010 06:59 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 06:53 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:47 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:46 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:44 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:32 SouthRawrea wrote:
TL;DR Subversion picked without thinking, probably didn't pick rolecop. Doesn't clear Zeks. On August 29 2010 05:08 LSB wrote:
Subversion is Mafia, the mafia would probably PM him, telling him to take Rolecop. Their not going to let some random dude go "LOL! I don't care about this game".
So that means the Rolecop is above Subversion
LSB he had 20 minutes to pick. Read the entire post. He said he picked without a plan. Oh of course that explains everything! </sarcasm> Dude, he's mafia. Mafia lies Dude even if he had all the time since he joined he had 2 hours. He was a last minute replacement. He didn't even think he would be able to join until Ace gave him the thumbs up right before day 1. To give you perspective on how much can happen in 2 hours. 2 hours ago, I figured out that Zeks was Rolecop SK
3. How hard is it for Mr. Godfather to PM Sub and say "Yo! Scumbuddy! Go pick rolecop!"? Mr. Godfather can defiantly do that in 2 hours.
Never doubt the power of human stupidity to ruin the best laid plans.
For proof: See my reading fail at a first grade level last game when I was ninja.
Never underestimate someone
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Edit for the post above.
#3 is an example.
The last quote is Pandians
On August 30 2010 03:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 00:35 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 30 2010 00:26 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote:
Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why?
Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt.
Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role. Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town? Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself? That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa)
My proposal for tonight:
Compvig LSB
Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea
Tracker follow Fishball
Medic protect Fishball
This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything. The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather. Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again. Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me. As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia. As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB) Tracker follow Fishball Martyr protect Fishball Compvig SouthrawreaWhy the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once Problem here is...I think you were traitor, and now mafia, and Fishball is mafia...So...Combine two and two...and you get four...So Fishball will say you don't have a weapon even if you do? How about JOAT investigates Fishballs!!! Yaaaaaaaay. Sry, you missed this post LSB =D Him being Bullet Bill and doing anything doesn't confirm you. We know his role, not his alignment. If he is mafia, and you were traitor you could have A) been converted last night, and he could be mafia, thereby nullifies usefulness B) Be converted by him visiting you tonight C)*Random assortment of you living, and being PoD* PoD is kind of a boring role, so I think traitor is more likely.
That's why the JOAT should investigate fishball
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Stop this Fishball crap when I'm not here.
The last post I made last night was 2am MST. I do need sleep too.
Like mentioned last night, I am simply waiting for more people to comment. It at least gives me an indicator that more people have thought this over.
I checked ~Opz~ last night.
He does not have a gun.
I have my reasons to check him. This guy has been bringing me up since like the very beginning of the game, when no one has like any info. Feels like he has been trying to paint me a certain color from the get-go. But after checking some older games when I wrote up the other post, seems like he does that to every so called "vet" player...
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On August 30 2010 04:18 Fishball wrote:
Stop this Fishball crap when I'm not here.
The last post I made last night was 2am MST. I do need sleep too.
Like mentioned last night, I am simply waiting for more people to comment. It at least gives me an indicator that more people have thought this over.
I checked ~Opz~ last night.
He does not have a gun.
I have my reasons to check him. This guy has been bringing me up since like the very beginning of the game, when no one has like any info. Feels like he has been trying to paint me a certain color from the get-go. But after checking some older games when I wrote up the other post, seems like he does that to every so called "vet" player...
I was wondering why you visited me last night =/
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+ Show Spoiler [Roles] +- rastaban: Compulsive Vigilante (substantiated by Hesmyrr)
- chaoser: Bad Santa
- LSB: Prince of Darkness
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Hesmyrr: Vanilla (chose CV)
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zeks: Role Cop
- SouthRawrea: Vanilla (allegedly chose Traitor)
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Subversion: Vanilla (probably chose role cop)
- Fishball: Bullet Bill (confirmed by Zeks)
- ~Opz~: Not Mafia / Nor Jack (according to Fishball); Tracker (?)
- citi.zen
- BrownBear
- JeeJee
- DarthThienAn
- siNiquity
- Divinek: Day Vigilante (confirmed by shooting BM)
- Radfield
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Bill Murray: Mason
- bumatlarge: Watcher (substantiated by revealing 4 players visited Zeks)
- Pandain:
CopyCat/Mason Pardoner Martyr
On August 29 2010 15:55 Ace wrote:
All roles that can act may send in Night actions now. Night 2 ends Sunday 9PM ET/10 KST Sunday August 29th/August30th KST but will be extended to Monday 9PM ET if more time is needed.
So with 5 hours left (or possibly 29 hours), where are all the # # CV: votes? Or is it just assumed that SR is the target?
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I don't think having me check SR would be the best way to go.
The Traitor scenario is only left with 3 players.
Assuming SR is the Traitor afterall, do you think the Mafia would actually recruit him? He is bound to die sooner or later. Recruiting the Traitor doesn't increases the Mafias' KP. Leaving SR alone would be in their best interest, while they can focus their powers on other players. The only situation that I can think of where the Mafia would deliberately recruit a Traitor out in the open, would be at an end game nail-biting scenario when a single player count would be a win/lose.
Anyways, I think there are plenty of candidates on our player list to check. Some of the fishier players, we have BrownBear, JeeJee, DarthThienAn, SiNiquity, and Pandain. Hell, even Radfield is not confirmed. If I checked Radfield and he doesn't have a gun, Town basically have a smart, semi-confirmed Townie to go to, granted if me and Radfield are not Mafia.
I'll be picking one of the players listed above to check tonight.
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On August 30 2010 04:59 Fishball wrote:
I don't think having me check SR would be the best way to go.
The Traitor scenario is only left with 3 players.
Assuming SR is the Traitor afterall, do you think the Mafia would actually recruit him? He is bound to die sooner or later. Recruiting the Traitor doesn't increases the Mafias' KP. Leaving SR alone would be in their best interest, while they can focus their powers on other players. The only situation that I can think of where the Mafia would deliberately recruit a Traitor out in the open, would be at an end game nail-biting scenario when a single player count would be a win/lose.
Anyways, I think there are plenty of candidates on our player list to check. Some of the fishier players, we have BrownBear, JeeJee, DarthThienAn, SiNiquity, and Pandain. Hell, even Radfield is not confirmed. If I checked Radfield and he doesn't have a gun, Town basically have a smart, semi-confirmed Townie to go to, granted if me and Radfield are not Mafia.
I'll be picking one of the players listed above to check tonight.
Agreed, as stated above, if we cv LSB it makes no sense checking SR.
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On August 30 2010 04:51 SiNiquity wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Roles] +- rastaban: Compulsive Vigilante (substantiated by Hesmyrr)
- chaoser: Bad Santa
- LSB: Prince of Darkness
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Hesmyrr: Vanilla (chose CV)
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zeks: Role Cop
- SouthRawrea: Vanilla (allegedly chose Traitor)
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Subversion: Vanilla (probably chose role cop)
- Fishball: Bullet Bill (confirmed by Zeks)
- ~Opz~: Not Mafia / Nor Jack (according to Fishball); Tracker (?)
- citi.zen
- BrownBear
- JeeJee
- DarthThienAn
- siNiquity
- Divinek: Day Vigilante (confirmed by shooting BM)
- Radfield
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Bill Murray: Mason
- bumatlarge: Watcher (substantiated by revealing 4 players visited Zeks)
- Pandain:
CopyCat/Mason Pardoner Martyr
Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 15:55 Ace wrote:
All roles that can act may send in Night actions now. Night 2 ends Sunday 9PM ET/10 KST Sunday August 29th/August30th KST but will be extended to Monday 9PM ET if more time is needed.
So with 5 hours left (or possibly 29 hours), where are all the # # CV: votes? Or is it just assumed that SR is the target?
i think it is assumed lsb is the target, but id be more than happy with BB meeting that bullet if he's not getting mod killed
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