EPTBrownBear United States. August 29 2010 08:54
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Fishball
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 30 2010 01:06 BrownBear wrote: Fuck me, I missed the deadline again. I thought it was tomorow. Looks like I'm to be modkilled, I'm really sorry guys. I was trying to wait for the last minute and overshot by... well, a lot. He did post Ace... =/ Can you still maybe kill him. Post seemed scummy. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On August 30 2010 05:21 Divinek wrote: i think it is assumed lsb is the target, but id be more than happy with BB meeting that bullet if he's not getting mod killed This is correct, LSB has the most votes so I sent in the hit, but SR is neck and neck. I will be checking close to daybreak in case there is a voting change for some reason. I still think we should be looking at hitting SR to confirm the there is a traitor. If SR is the traitor I think he will have done his part if we kill this many before hand. That said us lynching the SK is great. It adds time until LYLO and we now no everyone anti-town is a mafia. | ||
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rastaban
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 You came out looking ignorant as Subversion was unactive during the entire game anyways and. He was likely only online for a fraction of that 2 hours. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On August 30 2010 02:59 citi.zen wrote: Radfield, I am confused with your proposals for tonight. For example, why CV LSB and use the Bullet Bill on SR? The way LSB flips will pretty much tell us what SR's alignment is, no? The issue I was thinking of, was that if LSB flips town, we still have to decide between chaoser and Southrawrea. BulletBill is useless on chaoser. Chaoser also has a useful town role right now(if he's not the traitor). By having CV on LSB, and BulletBill on SR, my thought was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. Then it was pointed out that if SR was the traitor, then there is a good chance he hasn't flipped to red yet, so the BulletBill would be useless. Which is a good point. BUT Does anyone actually think Southrawrea is the traitor? I don't. I think he's either a truthful town, or a mafia trying to screw with us(vengeful player, etc). Him actually being the traitor would be a bit bizarre in fact. My big hope was that we could resolve the traitor issue tonight. I'm not sure if that can happen anymore, so I'm open to other plans. Either a SR or LSB CV hit is fine with me. On August 30 2010 04:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: I was wondering why you visited me last night =/ Hold on a second here. Opz just claimed tracker, OK. I guess he didn't follow the plan after all, that's OK, there are good pro-town reasons he might take tracker instead. Fishball claims he visited Opz, which presumably he did, since Opz tracked him. One question Fishball: Why would you ever, EVER investigate Opz. Of all the people in the game, Opz is absolutely the worst for a pro-town player to BulletBill. Why? Because even if he has a gun, he is the most likely player to be the JOAT. Southrawrea had already admitted not following the plan, so that means Opz is a 50/50 shot at being the Joat. Of any player in the game, his result tells you the least, since if he shows up with a gun, you still have no idea of his alignment(unlike every other player in the game, with the possible exception of Jeejee, the other potential Joat). You either made a very stupid move, or one of two things happened:
You now have two strikes fishball: You picked Bullet Bill in the wrong slot You investigated Opz One more strike and you're out. In fact, we might be playing with a two strikes rule this game  I'd like to hear what other people think.LSB, you still have yet to explain why you were so certain that zeks was the SK. + Show Spoiler [LSB's Defense] + On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 2. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you. The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim. 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this) BulletBill investigating me should take care of that. 1. It's dumb?? That's your defense? How did you KNOW that subversion drafted role cop, and not one of the other three very good mafia roles: CV, PoD, BS. You're acting as if this was a fact, when it was nothing of the sort. I will admit that Sub taking rolecop now seems more likely, but back then it didn't. 2. Zeks claimed rolecop because he didn't realize that it put him in a position of being only scum. Obviously had he realized this, he wouldn't have claimed it and sealed his fate. He just didn't realize. Similarly, if he was the traitor he could have made the same mistake. He had to claim something. He just made the mistake of not claiming the defensive role. Please explain why zeks was NOT the traitor. That is what I don't understand. Also, I think you are the traitor, doesn't matter if you are converted or not. Being traitor means that you could be sure that zeks was not. The only other option was Serial Killer. This is why I suspect you. To put it again: The only way you could KNOW zeks was the SK, was if you were the traitor(hence zeks could not be the traitor and could only be the SK). Because he had a decent chance of being either traitor or SK in my eyes. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 30 2010 06:40 Radfield wrote: LSB, you still have yet to explain why you were so certain that zeks was the SK. + Show Spoiler [LSB's Defense] + On August 30 2010 03:09 LSB wrote: 1. You know that sounds dumb. I had this conversation with SR and Pandian before. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=48#951 2. You know that is dumb too. Why in the would would zeks fake claim role cop? We already told him. If you claim role cop, we're going to kill you. The only reason why he claimed role cop was because he knew he had no other claim. 3. If he had a legitimate reason, he wouldn't have messed up. Okay, so your basic premise is that I am a converted traitor right? (because there was no way I could know this) BulletBill investigating me should take care of that. 1. It's dumb?? That's your defense? How did you KNOW that subversion drafted role cop, and not one of the other three very good mafia roles: CV, PoD, BS. You're acting as if this was a fact, when it was nothing of the sort. I will admit that Sub taking rolecop now seems more likely, but back then it didn't. 2. Zeks claimed rolecop because he didn't realize that it put him in a position of being only scum. Obviously had he realized this, he wouldn't have claimed it and sealed his fate. He just didn't realize. Similarly, if he was the traitor he could have made the same mistake. He had to claim something. He just made the mistake of not claiming the defensive role. Please explain why zeks was NOT the traitor. That is what I don't understand. Also, I think you are the traitor, doesn't matter if you are converted or not. Being traitor means that you could be sure that zeks was not. The only other option was Serial Killer. This is why I suspect you. To put it again: The only way you could KNOW zeks was the SK, was if you were the traitor(hence zeks could not be the traitor and could only be the SK). Because he had a decent chance of being either traitor or SK in my eyes. 1. Why in the would would subversion draft a role that the town reserved above him? He has 0% chance of getting it. o.o Sure, he might have wanted to draft Vengeful Player, or Godfather because those are available. Those are good mafia roles. And more importantly, he has a chance of getting it :O OMG wow! Probability is so hard! 2.We told him that beforehand. On August 29 2010 04:04 LSB wrote: I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light. Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night: 1) He is the SK 2) He is Bulletproof 3) He is the Traitor 4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely) Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it. 3. If your the Rolecop, you can't be the traitor. :O Omg! Never thought of that! | ||
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SouthRawrea
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LSB
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His claiming rolecop only confirmed my theory. My theory hinges on Subversions choice | ||
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Radfield
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On August 30 2010 07:28 LSB wrote: ik His claiming rolecop only confirmed my theory. My theory hinges on Subversions choice Honestly, I just don't get it. You could flip town right now, and I wouldn't be particularly surprised. I understand how once you figure out that Sub picked rolecop, the rest follows. That I'm fine with. But I don't see how you could be so sure that Sub actually picked that. Looking back, I agree with you the sub picked rolecop, it makes decent sense, and makes sense why they would try to kill zeks. But at the time it certainly was not that obvious. 1. We didn't know zeks' role. He might have been traitor, role cop, defensive role, etc. He hadn't claimed either way. 2. Subversion came in late, and it actually is quite possible that he never got to communicate to his teammates. Checking the times, Sub came in at 9:40, role PMs went out at around 11:30. It is very possible that his 3 other teammates were not around in this time, or the Sub didn't have time to hang around chat with them. He might think 'Who really cares, just send in a role and hope I get it'. Look at how much time Sub has spent on this game, it took him like 24hours before he realized he was dead. It seems plausible even now to me that he picked after a different role. Not likely, but plausible. 3. Even after zeks claimed role cop, that still didn't necessarily mean that it was true. Anyways all that aside, I'd still rather take you out than either chaoser or Southrawrea. Chaoser because he has a good role, and Southrawrea because I think he is telling the truth. On August 30 2010 03:14 JeeJee wrote: autopager addon for ff lemme know if you need help setting it up Thanks, I'm setting it up now, I'll PM you if I need help. Ace, for what it's worth I vote for an extension till tomorrow night. But If no one else agrees and if you have all your night actions in, I guess we can go ahead. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
i think we definitely need an extension | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 07 2010 04:33 JeeJee wrote: btw those that are complaining about the lack of an all-button .. yeah i can see how it would be annoying. look into the autopager addon for firefox =) you can set it up for teamliquid as such: + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2009 13:57 onmach wrote: I had to tweak a few things to get it to work just right. For url pattern, enable regexp and use this: http://www.teamliquid.net/(forum|blogs)/view(message|blog)\.php.* For link xpath: (//a[text() = 'Next' and contains(@title, 'Next Page') and contains(@href, 'view')] For content xpath: //td[@valign="top"]//table[@width=600] Sure makes following the fitness thread easier. then you can just start at the first page, scroll down until the last page and you have your very own all button ^-^ It seems to take some micro management though, as it only loads the next page once I scroll to the bottom of the page. It doesn't just keep going all the way automatically | ||
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Divinek
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
##Comp Vig LSB btw. Also, I'm pretty down for night. Radfield would be a good protection tonight BTW. Again, as I've said before, he dies like fuck, Mafia is going to assume I have it, and if Radfield is mafioso, then he kicks the bucket. I'm proven innocent by Fishball also, guaranteed town according to his check last night. Matter of fact, protection should be between radfield and fishball. I can only track who a person visits using. If they have a night role, it's almost useless, while Fishball can actually check for a gun. And I don't have a gun, and follow to night action. So BulletBill>>>Tracker in terms of importance. LSB dies, Radfield/Fishball/OpZ 40/40/20% RNG it. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Do we have any way to find out Fishball's alignment? Bullet Bill, nope. Role Cop, nope. Tracker, nope. Alignment Cop, maybe. JOAT! Joat, you absolutely must use your check on Fishball. You are the only one that can. Alignment Cop should also check fishball just in case. Once we establish Fishball's alignment, he can do the rest. However, we need to be prepared for the possibility that Fishball's alignment cannot be ascertained. AC might be naive or paranoid, Joat may have already used his check, or one or both may not be in the game. In which case, we may need to lynch Fishball if he doesn't produce results. btw, you were already town in my books opz  What do you make of Fishball checking you and not a different player? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
So we need a consenus. Whos the CV going to kill? It seems we're either going to kill LSB or south, and we haven't really decided fully. I Say SR, and the Jack of all trades and alignment cop both check LSB, as well as the watcher. Why? This can help many ways. 1. No matter what, we will find out the traitor/truth at the minimal cost of one death(South if he is town.) We will also get a sane check on the alignment of LSB. Why: If South is town, based on LSB's alignment we will know the traitor. IF south is mafia/traitor, we won't even lose a townie. 2. Helps the alignment cop find his sanity. Why: Compare his check with the check of the sane Jack of all trades 3. Can tell the watcher whether there IS an alignment cop(I'm unsure whether he should reveal it however. Not reveal who he is of course, but that there IS one.) Why?: there should be 2 people who visit him. If there's another, than watcher will know mafia targeted him. If there's less, he will know there is no alignment cop. Problems with this: If Joat or alignment cop are mafia. Thoughts? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
But that still leaves the question of who the CV should kill. I say SR, just because LSB did find the serial killer(mafia would never do that, lowers overall kills by one). If SR is townie, then we can lynch LSB unless someone can bring up a good case to hit chaoser instead. Dont worry chaoser, I'll be defending you. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
rastaban Town chaoser LSB SouthRawrea Town Fishball Mid Scum ~Opz~ Town citi.zen Mid Town BrownBear USELESS JeeJee Scum DarthThienAn Scum siNiquity Mid Town Divinek Town Radfield Town bumatlarge Town Pandain Town Rastaban should eventually be lynched to delay the game if we can establish multiple investigative roles. | ||
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