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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
I AM THE NIGHT | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:12 ~OpZ~ wrote: Eh, I think peeeeersonally martyr shouldn't protect Fishball. What if we want to lynch Fishball tomorrow Radfield? Tha's true, I hadn't considered that. However, I feel like we have a lot of decent lynch candidates for tomorrow, so if we really want to kill fishball, we can always CV him at night. However, there is a potential that killing fishball will reveal alot of info that we would need for our night actions. Definitely a consideration. Personally I would still lean towards martyring on fishball. He's a hugely critical role if town, and martyr is a for-sure save. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I may be wrong here though, so if anyone disagrees speak up. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 29 2010 23:42 Radfield wrote: Fishball, I'd still like to hear who you looked at last night. I can't see any reason why you wouldn't claim, even if you did look at Opz or jeejee(potential JOATs). The info is simply more worthwhile in town hands then in mafia. Certainly if you looked at anyone other than Opz or Jeejee you should reveal. I may be wrong here though, so if anyone disagrees speak up. You are right, Fishball should come forward with the result of his check. I am OK using the CompVig on LSB tonight. I picked on him earlier and I still think he makes a decent target. At best he's traitor, at worst he is town PoD, which is not a bad loss. I am also curious to hear more from SiNiquity - he made some early errors I brushed off then came out strong suggesting Zeks was the SK pretty much at the same time as LSB figured it out. Remember, the mafia knew Zeks was SK at this point. His posts in general seem to be putting out some ideas but never quite following through, attempts to "seem active" rather than "solve puzzles". + Show Spoiler + Ex: strange reasoning On August 23 2010 07:35 SiNiquity wrote: Pandain: If numbers are kept secret, then I don't see a reason to do a weighted algorithm (% based) instead of just a plain role assignment. Ex: SK call On August 29 2010 04:07 SiNiquity wrote: Here's an up to date list of roles:
It occurred to me earlier there's a possibility for Zeks that AFAIK hasn't been mentioned -- that being that he's the Serial Killer. On August 29 2010 16:00 Pandain wrote: O i see I forgot about the Joat. He's possibly one of our last investigative roles too :/ . So kp is now 1? 1 kill a night is really managable n.n The night KP is actually 2 because of the CV. The good thing is we most likely control that hit, and have some leads now. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 29 2010 21:26 Radfield wrote: Importantly, we still have a traitor around. Either Chaoser, LSB, or Southrawrea. I felt pretty certain that zeks was the traitor, but obviously that was not so. My next choice would be LSB. Why? Mainly because LSB was so sure that zeks was the SK. He stated several times that he 'proved' zeks was the Serial Killer, when in fact he had done no such thing. I thought it far more likely that zeks was the traitor, and had been targeted by the mafia. But LSB never wavered from the idea that zeks was the SK, and really never even gave much of a chance for zeks to be the traitor. Perhaps LSB was just getting caught up in his own argument, or perhaps LSB is the traitor, and did actually KNOW that zeks had to be the SK. Add in that LSB is bragging up a storm about how he 'caught' zeks, makes me think that he is doing what he can to come off pro-town and use whatever credit he gets from the zeks lynch to avoid getting killed in the traitor hunt. Combine that with the fact that if town, LSB has a completely useless role, PoD. So we need not fear losing a blue role. Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town? Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself? That being said, chaoser could be the traitor, or Southrawrea could be fucking with us. Honestly, neither of these two players have posted a ton of useful content, so CVing either would be OK with me. Keep in mind two things though, if town, Chaoser actually has an extremely powerful role now. Imagine his list of 5. If one dies tonight, and he doesn't get the option to kill, then the other 4 players on the list are confirmed innocents. That is amazingly powerful, and worth keeping around in my opinion(at least for now). Second, Southrawrea being mafia and trying to fuck us around makes very little sense, but as people pointed out earlier, he could be vengeful player. If we are going to kill him, we'll want to do it with the CV, or the JOAT(or Bad Santa) My proposal for tonight: Compvig LSB Bullet Bill(Fishball) check Southrawrea Tracker follow Fishball Medic protect Fishball This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything. The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather. Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again. Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me. As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia. As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB) Tracker follow Fishball Martyr protect Fishball Compvig Southrawrea Why the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Bum, you are going to watch the comp vig's target, if this is the case. It will be the most useful thing. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 30 2010 00:26 LSB wrote: Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. I have no idea what you are trying to do radfield. You want to kill me because out of SR/Chaoser/Me I'm the only one who is actually isn't lurking/bandwagoning/disrupting the town? Lastly if I was traitor, I'd be ashamed of myself. What kind of traitor immediately draws attention to himself? This is a horrible idea. BB checking SR will not do anything. The problem with this strategy is that you are assuming that the mafia has already converted the traitor. Infact, the mafia would NOT want to want to convert the traitor, as the traitor essentially is a godfather. Is SR is the traitor? SR has been giving off scummy vibes and has not done much besides jump on bandwagons. If we check him, he'll show up as town, and we proceed to kill me and Choaser. More Townies dead. SR does his job beautifully What if SR is Red? That means there is no traitor at all. We're screwed once again. Who should the Bullet Bill check then? He should check me. As the Prince of darkness I will not have a weapon. Confirming my role This will answer your question of whether or not I'm mafia. As for your accusation of traitor. That should be solved once SR filps traitor/red. If not, we are left with Chaoser Bullet Bill (Fishball) check Me (LSB) Tracker follow Fishball Martyr protect Fishball Compvig Southrawrea Why the Martyr? Because Fishball is the most powerful dt, barring the JOAT. But the Joat can only use his power once Problem here is...I think you were traitor, and now mafia, and Fishball is mafia...So...Combine two and two...and you get four...So Fishball will say you don't have a weapon even if you do? How about JOAT investigates Fishballs!!! Yaaaaaaaay. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
If the JOAT hasn't, ~OpZ~ idea is pretty good. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 30 2010 00:40 LSB wrote: I'm pretty sure the JOAT investigated night one though. If the JOAT hasn't, ~OpZ~ idea is pretty good. I'm pretty sure he didn't. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 30 2010 00:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: Ace, question about watcher watching a comp vig target. If the comp vig is mafia, and kills someone via vig hit, does it show as all mafia visiting the target, or just the comp vig? You said present for any action on page 44, so I'm assuming yes, but I want to be 100% sure. Bum, you are going to watch the comp vig's target, if this is the case. It will be the most useful thing. If the Comp Vigi is mafia and uses his/her MAFIA hit on the target then the watcher sees all. If however he/she uses the CV hit it will only show 1, assuming the CV is the only person visiting that target. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Looks like I'm to be modkilled, I'm really sorry guys. I was trying to wait for the last minute and overshot by... well, a lot. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 30 2010 01:06 BrownBear wrote: Fuck me, I missed the deadline again. I thought it was tomorow. Looks like I'm to be modkilled, I'm really sorry guys. I was trying to wait for the last minute and overshot by... well, a lot. Good hit this is, young padowan. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
 Yes the Joat should look at fishball  . Either you are the Joat opz, or the joat talked to you last night, in which case you are a defensive role. Fishball, now you should definitely reveal who you checked. LSB: you raise a good point. Bullet Bill checking SR does not necessarily do anything, as mafia may not have converted him yet. Your solution baffles me though. You say that instead of BBing SR, Fishball should check you. But everything that holds true for SR also holds true for you. If you are the traitor then you are not necessarily a mafia yet, same as SR. Chaoser hasn't talked in a long time though. I'd like to hear his thoughts. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'd watch Fishballs(yum yum) for the fun of it. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On August 30 2010 01:06 BrownBear wrote: Fuck me, I missed the deadline again. I thought it was tomorow. Looks like I'm to be modkilled, I'm really sorry guys. I was trying to wait for the last minute and overshot by... well, a lot. Not only have you not read the thread, but it's like you don't even understand the rules. Just modkill him anyways Ace, it will save us the trouble. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
However, no one has said so, and I'm almost certain everyone has talked since then. That leaves 1 of 3 possibilities 1. Someone has no said they were roleblocked yet(highly doubtful) 2.There is no roleblocker 3. Roleblocker was afk and didn't get to use his role. I think the second possibility is the most likely. However, the third is also possible. Now who would be afk during then? Brownbear comes to mind. Anyone else? I'm starting to think I might be an unstoppable medic(that is until I die.  ). | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I was wondering what you thought about JeeJee. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Okay, do I really need to explain again why Zeks could not be the traitor? My logic is impeccable. Subversion drafted role cop, but turned vanilla. Therefore Zeks is role cop. No if/then/or/buts. Zeks is the role cop. Zeks therefore is serial killer. I was absolutely sure after 1) Zeks role claimed rolecop (dumb idea) 2) Zeks started acting like he was cornered. First: we had no idea what subversion drafted, he could have gone for CompVig for all we knew. Second: Even if zeks did claim role cop, it could have still been bs, since of course he has to claim either role cop or a defensive role. But yes, it was foolish for him to claim role cop, that was his real mistake. Third: Zeks acting cornered doesn't make him more likely to be either SK or traitor. He was in the spotlight the moment I asked for his roleclaim, and he messed it up from there. At no point was the possibility of zeks being traitor zero. In fact, up until his admission of SK, I still thought he might be traitor. | ||
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