TL Mafia XXII - Page 28

On April 19 2010 13:43 Jugan wrote:


Incorrect. Although I welcome you to reference the point where my "foul mouth" came into play, I will surely apologize for it. However, you are also incorrect and I ask you to simply stop flaunting your ignorance and reference yourself a few pages back where, in a single post, I have offered more insight and contributed man than you have in just a single post. I have, in fact, provided something better and have also shown you why your critically lacking analysis is bad.

In order for me to bash on your "work", you must have actually done something productive. Unfortunately, you have not, from what I have seen so far, fulfilled this requirement. Again, I respectfully request that you look over the thread once more, and not just in the last 10 posts of the thread so you may gain a better understanding of the direction the game is currently headed in.

As I mentioned in an earlier post that you blatantly decided to ignore, it is extremely unlikely that someone will garner the votes necessary to be lynched with so little time remaining. Thus, our best course of action is to analyze those who have posted thus far, keep a tally of the votes at hand, and ride out the first night until we get a better feel for our bearings.

I welcome you to start being product, and I await your apology.

On April 19 2010 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Fun note, we had already discussed this earlier in the thread via my own major post. So you failed on two counts. Reading is fun.

On April 19 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Quick defense of inactivity- was at a friend's weekend house since Friday, only checking TL on a mobile phone. Am going to sleep now, will be active on the thread tomorrow starting around 4-5 PM

On April 19 2010 13:51 JadeFist wrote:
Voted Caller.

Last time I played decafchicken, a long time forum veteran, was the Godfather. I feel like the choice for mafia members is not entirely random and I wouldn't be surprised if a forum "celebrity" such as Caller was mafia.

On April 18 2010 07:08 Osmoses wrote:
I'm a total newbie but wouldn't it make more sense to save double lynches as late as possible, when you have solid info to go on?

On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote:
Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum.

Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds.

On April 19 2010 13:51 Jugan wrote:


I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction.




As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do:

Go to school
Socialize
Take care of animals
Set houses on fire

Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow.

On April 19 2010 13:49 madnessman wrote:
Hahaha Jugan, I'm going to have to butt in and say you are playing pretty damn aggressively. Clarify how your "let's lynch kf91 because he is annoying" constitutes as an insightful, cohesive plan?

On April 19 2010 13:43 Jugan wrote:
As I mentioned in an earlier post that you blatantly decided to ignore, it is extremely unlikely that someone will garner the votes necessary to be lynched with so little time remaining. Thus, our best course of action is to analyze those who have posted thus far, keep a tally of the votes at hand, and ride out the first night until we get a better feel for our bearings.

On April 19 2010 13:55 IntoTheWow wrote:
I considered that option of course. If anything my call for inactives can make those people 'getting the feel' to post more, which is a good thing. No communication = town loses. Not like they are going to get lynched actually, at least that's what you said.

On April 19 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote:
Ok. Time for some stuff.

First of all, theres a lot of people moaning that we should just lynch an inactive because we don't have enough information. These people should step it up. There is actually quite a bit of information out here to analyze. So instead of waiting for one of us to come up and hand you the information on a plate, please try to go through and look through posts organized by user.

First off, innocents.

A few people have caught my attention as very likely innocents. These people are:

Zona
BC
d3_crescentia
Caller

All the people on this list have been posting rationally. (Ace would probably disagree with me on this about Caller, but from what I remember from Caller's previous games, he didn't post like this as mafia).

Time to pull out the accusation gun.

Osmoses:



This is his first real post. He plays the I'm a newbie card, and proceeds to ask a question that is already being discussed. No contribution here. He also makes preemptive excuses for his posting, emphasizing that he is a newbie, but...you get the picture. Check out TL Mafia V for an example of Tricode pulling the same stunt. From experience, new pro-town players would not try to emphasize their newbiness, as it adds a burden for the town. On the other hand, new mafia players tend to use this to excuse their useless behavior. Panic usually sets in and they try to play the im confused card.



More confusion. How ironic. Anyway...Ok...So its tiring trying to find out who is who...but you haven't said anything yet about what you HAVE found out. Oh you also say there's little information to go on? Yeah I'm sure its very tiring to look for information that's not there...in which case you might as well just have given up. Oops! Well, if you're so tired trying to information, surely you must have found at least something. Spit it out. We want to hear it.

Anyway, thats the one person who stuck out in my mind. Everyone should be looking for information instead of lying around and complaining how there is no information. Some information is there. And some of it we have to bring out so we get more information. From experience, mafia games are usually more stagnant when theres no pms. You can't call people out as effectively as you can in pmland, partially because of spam, and partially because people don't feel inclined to respond when theres more than one accusation out there. So for now, I'm going to switch strategies and only try to focus on one suspect at a time. I expect responses.

On April 19 2010 13:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, mafia in the past have opted to play "inactive". Alot of people who are truely busy with things normally will post it ahead of time. If someone appears to say "sorry had x y and z, ill be doing x again now then sleeping, ill try to play tommorrow" then only appear to vote, are typically either useless townies, or mafia. Also good to keep tabs on.

Real life does come up, but so does faked inactivity.

On April 19 2010 14:02 IntoTheWow wrote:
Well, that's why beside listing inactives I also wrote more or less what they posted. I opened the thread on "all" pages and CTRL+F every nickname on the player list.

Yours came out to be mostly 1-2 liners, without actually saying nothing in most of them, hence why you were on the list.

About your attitude, it was not me who pointed it out, but a mod, you can ask them for an apology.

Jugan (all 1 liners)

On April 19 2010 14:12 Jugan wrote:


I understand exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. However, as I stated earlier, we should not worry about the people that appear to be inactive as of this moment - we are only on night 1. Additionally, I mentioned it is not only easy to keep tabs on people that are "faking" inactivity, but it is helpful as well. My reasoning about the inactive people is because IntoTheWow was attempting to accuse people based on

1) His interpretation on who was active.
2) How people posted.

While I believe interpreting how people post goes extremely far in determining who may or may not be mafia, IntoTheWow, great guy that he is, made blatantly false statements about SEVERAL players and thus comes off as

1) Suspicious
2) Misguided
3) Forceful (as he tries so hard to garner support for his idea, he blatantly leaves out important details).



I like how you change your story here.

You didn't word it:
"Yours came out to be mostly 1-2 liners",
You said:


And said that the town should lynch somebody on the list. I would also like to note that you were blatantly incorrect about several other people on that list. You completely disregarded the fact that I gave several insightful posts that were IMPOSSIBLE to miss, as you would have to go through my name several times through them. Additionally, the mods did not tell me "Jugan, you have a dirty mouth." You, and you alone were the only person to claim that. You claim to have actually read discussions on this board. However, if you had done this, you would have came across the board discussion between me and a couple of the mods where we not only discussed things in general, but rectified all issues currently at hand.

Your posting and change of story seems extremely suspicious, and you have now been put #1 on my suspect list.

I also still await your apology.

On April 19 2010 14:11 Incognito wrote:
Hmm. At first, I thought Bill wasn't spammy enough for me to be comfortable. But after thinking about it, he has been a catalyst for some pretty stupid responses. Won't mention names yet until (someone) responds to my accusation, but you guys know who you are. Get productive or we're going to have to bring down the hammer on you.

Updated innocent list:

Zona
BC
d3_crescentia
Caller
Bill Murray

On April 19 2010 14:23 Ace wrote:
The fact that you guys are discussing people as "most likely innocent" just shows you have no clue wtf to do.