EPT[OGN] Hot6ix Champions Spring 2014 - Page 53
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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sataNik[pG]
Greece724 Posts
So it can only be one (or a combination) of the 3: 1. Self-induced blindness 2. Hyporcisy 3. Extreme naivity | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 05 2014 01:47 sataNik[pG] wrote: The matchfixing is so blantanly obvious, that trying to argue for it is a completely meaningless procedure. It seems to me that trying to argue for the opposite, demanding proof for it, or trying to totaly drop the subject is a desperate attempt to protect the (non) integrity of SKT. So it can only be one (or a combination) of the 3: 1. Self-induced blindness 2. Hyporcisy 3. Extreme naivity Why the fuck would SKT as an organization be stupid enough to matchfix this series? Even if SKT K wasn't going to make it out of groups, SKT S was. Sure, that's not their big name team, but it's not like they were completely eliminated from the bracket stage. The main reason it makes no sense is why would they risk doing this so close to the whole Promise match fixing scandal? They would have know this match was going to be under heavy scrutiny. | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
On April 05 2014 01:54 onlywonderboy wrote: Why the fuck would SKT as an organization be stupid enough to matchfix this series? Even if SKT K wasn't going to make it out of groups, SKT S was. Sure, that's not their big name team, but it's not like they were completely eliminated from the bracket stage. The main reason it makes no sense is why would they risk doing this so close to the whole Promise match fixing scandal? They would have know this match was going to be under heavy scrutiny. He is trollposting, look at his prev posts low quality baits. | ||
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Steins;Gate
1422 Posts
On April 05 2014 01:54 onlywonderboy wrote: Why the fuck would SKT as an organization be stupid enough to matchfix this series? Even if SKT K wasn't going to make it out of groups, SKT S was. Sure, that's not their big name team, but it's not like they were completely eliminated from the bracket stage. The main reason it makes no sense is why would they risk doing this so close to the whole Promise match fixing scandal? They would have know this match was going to be under heavy scrutiny. + Wouldn't it be more profitable if S did actually make it to the bracket stages with a potential to win the whole thing? K already made a name for themselves and has a huge fan base, if they can do the same for their sister team it'll be more beneficial for the organization as a while IE. Blaze and Frost. And common guys, while S can play brilliantly at times they also play like crap. Like the game versus IM in masters T_T. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On April 05 2014 01:54 onlywonderboy wrote: The main reason it makes no sense is why would they risk doing this so close to the whole Promise match fixing scandal? They would have know this match was going to be under heavy scrutiny. Reverse psychology. They knew that every one would think that, so they knew they could get away with it. The plays are unreal SKT best organization ;; Baited and outsmarted everyone ;; | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Steins;Gate
1422 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:05 Itsmedudeman wrote: Let's not forget this is the second time in a row S could fail to make it out of groups. Then there's the circuit points issue where S has almost no points and if they don't make it out again and aren't able to get a ridiculously good result in the 3rd season they won't be qualifying for Worlds. Masters offer a spot in the Korean Qualifiers for Worlds | ||
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sataNik[pG]
Greece724 Posts
On April 05 2014 01:58 skykh wrote: He is trollposting, look at his prev posts low quality baits. If "trollposting" means expressing your personal opinion then yes, i admit that i am perma trollposting. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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skykh
3006 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:16 sataNik[pG] wrote: If "trollposting" means expressing your personal opinion then yes, i admit that i am perma trollposting. U are doing best to insult people who disagree with "your opinion". What has skt organisation to gain by "matchfixing"? SKT K already got enough circuit points to almost guarantee in worlds. S will fail twice in a row in groups for ogn and their reputation will tarnished. There will be rumors spreading like now. | ||
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Enken
France156 Posts
Why the football player simule, they know they are filmed and watching by million and million of ppl. Cyclist or in JO why they are doping ? in football Juventus was a pretty good team, top 2-3 team in italian league why did they paid the referee ? All that matters is the result. | ||
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sataNik[pG]
Greece724 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:17 skykh wrote: U are doing best to insult people who disagree with "your opinion" I know that i shouldnt be so aggressive, but i cant help it. Some stuff i read here make me react. I know that i am within the limits of this forum because i didnt get banned yet but im not feeling well about the situtation in general. I'll just leave. | ||
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
Honestly, S has just always looked to me like a very one dimensional team. Marin always always always picks Renekton and always always always builds Tiamat. Easyhoon will picks Ziggs given the chance and try to drag the game to 50 minutes. When you become that predictable, there's no reason not to believe someone might at some point turn that against you. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Asides form all the reasons stated above for why S wouldn't throw, people are forgetting that Prime Optimus honestly is not a weak team. Were they in a different group, they would've had a very good chance at getting out of groups. They beat KTA in qualifiers pretty darn hard plus SKT S has always been inconsistent. On top of that, Easyhoon and Marin have played Ziggs/Renekton virtually every single game and banning them out had to have taken them out of their comfort zone. Plus, the SKT organization has to know that especially after the Promise/AHQ scandal, the outcome of this game will definitely be extremely heavily scrutinized by not just fans, but KESPA, OGN, and all the esports bigwigs. I'd be surprised if there isn't an internal investigation going on right now. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
SKT influences them to do so? That'd be unlikely. The SKT corporation has already had to navigate themselves from an incredibly ugly BW matchfixing scandal (though none of their players were officially indicted). You think they want to get themselves embroiled in another one, this time, which directly involves them? The damage to reputation would be immense. It just wouldn't benefit them. In fact, SKT would probably feel better sending the squad that performed better in group stages (whether it be K or S) than having to go through all these shenanigans just to get K to advance. Hell, it's not like K has been looking particularly as fantastic as they have in their past few games with some ugly mistakes. I find it much more likely that T1 S just had a really bad day against Prime. It's not like Prime is on the level of "lol Team NB/Dark." Not to mention, from what I've seen of T1 S, I've never really considered them "slam dunks" in their games. They always seem to fall behind, manage to turtle, and somehow win the game. If a team exploits T1 S's tendency to fall behind early and just run with it, I'd imagine T1 S to collapse as they did against Prime. It's not like it's something illogical like say, OMG getting 2-0'd by Zombie PE or Mixga not dying. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On April 04 2014 22:10 Gahlo wrote: And yet there was grumblings of match fixing between Fantasy and Bisu(shocker, both SKT players.) Did people actually think that? It's pretty common knowledge that intra-team matches tend to play out much differently than skill levels would otherwise predict because both players are so familiar with each other's playstyle. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On April 05 2014 03:04 Kiett wrote: The original situation (K possibly throwing a game to let S have a chance to advance) was far more believable than this one. You might throw a game so that both you and your sister team can get through because you don't lose much in the process, but when it comes down to you vs them, nobody in their right minds would give up their only shot at worlds for someone else. And if you're trying to say the coaches/organization forced them to lose, please. You know how much bad will that would foster between S and K? Losing one season of Champions isn't the end of the world, but your two teams hating each other because you keep throwing one under the bus for the other is. How would S ever be able to live and practice with K again, if this was all true? They're not altruistic saints. You don't want that kind of conflict and resentment poisoning your teamhouse atmosphere. Honestly, S has just always looked to me like a very one dimensional team. Marin always always always picks Renekton and always always always builds Tiamat. Easyhoon will picks Ziggs given the chance and try to drag the game to 50 minutes. When you become that predictable, there's no reason not to believe someone might at some point turn that against you. the resentment factor is completely non-existent in the most likely scenario in which the prime match was actually thrown. if S did lose to prime on purpose, then it is reasonable to assume that the sister team matchup was fixed as well (you even said that situation was more believable). this second matchfixing situation would then have been done out of fairness so that K wouldn't be eliminated in the group stage as a direct result of a matchfixed tie in the first match of the group. while it doesn't make sense for S to throw against prime in a vacuum, it may have been the "right" thing to do in the context of the previous S vs. K matchup. you want to talk about conflict and resentment? how do you think K would feel towards their sister team if they went from world champions to not even making the playoffs because they let S win a game to help them try to get out of groups? in fact if K let S get a win in their match it's likely that S throwing against prime was agreed upon before any games were even played if this hypothetical eventuality were to come to pass. | ||
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