EPT[OGN] Hot6ix Champions Spring 2014 - Page 54
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On April 05 2014 11:29 Neverhood wrote: When are they playing the tie breaker? Matchfix O'clock /s | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
idk what happened to casper though, maybe a medical condition or something | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
In the second game, SKT had a chance, but leona was playing well. All her CC was going for broke, and it worked out quite well. I don't know how a flash ult/q from leona and getting chain CC'd afterwards from elise and jax is now considered throwing by easyhoon. We should be congratulating Prime. They brought back Jax! He has been severely underplayed recently in Korea after how well he did at S3 worlds. Shyvanna is really weak against him post 6, and it didn't help Marin miscalculated Jax damage potential pre 6 without ignite (he probably though he could simply just W away if he did flash). Prime's team comp really reminded me of Naijin Black Sword vs SKT at worlds where they had the split push Jax comp. It also was nice to see the sick teleport plays like the one on Annie early game. SKT always have played streaky, and people are right, ban out ziggs and renekton, and they lose their primary champs. Prime came in with legit strategies and it looked like SKT S simply underestimated them thinking an easy 2-0 against them. It would be too stupid for SKT to throw games so soon after AHQ incident. There is no gains to be had, since both teams are well known for being relatively strong. Also, there is one thing nobody pointed out. Since they have to go back to NLB, it is in Prime's interest to NOT have SKT T1 K go back with them. That is possibly the worst thing to happen. I'd rather have SKT T1 S in NLB vs K. If you all think SKT threw this game, then so did Stork by not getting dragoon range against Bisu in MSL finals, and again when he got stomped by Flash going the same greedy builds over and over again. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
people who have an emotional, 100% sure of themselves, complete denial of conspiracy theories regardless of the facts are just as stupid, if not more so, than the nutjobs that are 100% sure that the conspiracies are real. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On April 05 2014 14:04 chalice wrote: people were speculating that S had reasons to throw the match well before it occurred and then they lost 0-2 to a team that had never won a single set in the OGN Champions league before. if you can't admit that there is at least a possibility that skt S lost on purpose then your brain is probably not functioning properly. lol @ disgusted. people who have an emotional, 100% sure of themselves, complete denial of conspiracy theories regardless of the facts are just as stupid, if not more so, than the nutjobs that are 100% sure that the conspiracies are real. 2 conspiracy theorists die and go to heaven. They ask god about the moon landing and the JFK assassination. God says the moon landing was real and Oswald was the only shooter. One of the theorists leans over to the other and whispers "See, I told you it went all the way to the top." | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On April 05 2014 14:11 Garaman wrote: Prime beat KT arrows to qualify for this OGN. You don't think it's possible for them to beat SKT S, an inferior team? As champion reliant as people say SKTS is, KTA is just as swingy from their peak performance and lowest. Not to mention that Kakao and Arrow were relatively new to the team at the time. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 05 2014 14:04 chalice wrote: regardless of the facts If you actually look at all of the facts instead of just one set of them(S needs to lose to a seemingly bad team for K to be alive), then the facts paint a picture of no throw/matchfix occurring. Nothing during the games looked shady, and S's reaction to the loss was what you would expect from an outcome they didn't in any way want. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On April 05 2014 16:07 red_ wrote: If you actually look at all of the facts instead of just one set of them(S needs to lose to a seemingly bad team for K to be alive), then the facts paint a picture of no throw/matchfix occurring. Nothing during the games looked shady, and S's reaction to the loss was what you would expect from an outcome they didn't in any way want. And yet I've seen people list a whole bunch of suspicious behavior. People aren't going to smile after an intentional loss. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On April 05 2014 14:11 Garaman wrote: Prime beat KT arrows to qualify for this OGN. You don't think it's possible for them to beat SKT S, an inferior team? of course i think it's possible, did you even read what i posted? my whole point was that anyone who is certain about what really happened is a dumbass. not that it is particularly relevant, but how exactly did you come to the conclusion that Arrows is a superior team compared to S? was it from watching their head to head matchup this season? On April 05 2014 16:07 red_ wrote: If you actually look at all of the facts instead of just one set of them(S needs to lose to a seemingly bad team for K to be alive), then the facts paint a picture of no throw/matchfix occurring. Nothing during the games looked shady, and S's reaction to the loss was what you would expect from an outcome they didn't in any way want. i have a realistic enough estimation of my own game knowledge to believe that if some of the absolute best lol players in the entire world wanted to subtly throw a game in a way that wouldn't be noticeably suspicious to me that they could probably pull it off. i also don't consider myself enough of an expert on facial expressions and body language to draw any firm conclusions based on S's "reactions". | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On April 05 2014 16:31 Gahlo wrote: And yet I've seen people list a whole bunch of suspicious behavior. People aren't going to smile after an intentional loss. I haven't seen anyone post anything that was actually suspicious, just a few posts like 'omg easyhoon played so bad obviously throwing' and that one post with some bullets that were all easily explaiend. Links/quotes? There's also a difference between 'not smiling' and looking convincingly disappointed. This is witch hunting, nothing else. On April 05 2014 17:48 chalice wrote: i have a realistic enough estimation of my own game knowledge to believe that if some of the absolute best lol players in the entire world wanted to subtly throw a game in a way that wouldn't be noticeably suspicious to me that they could probably pull it off. i also don't consider myself enough of an expert on facial expressions and body language to draw any firm conclusions based on S's "reactions". This is a common and faulty mindset. They are some of the best players in the world AT PLAYING THEIR BEST TO WIN. They almost assuredly have no practice at subtly throwing a game. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On April 05 2014 18:02 red_ wrote: I haven't seen anyone post anything that was actually suspicious, just a few posts like 'omg easyhoon played so bad obviously throwing' and that one post with some bullets that were all easily explaiend. Links/quotes? There's also a difference between 'not smiling' and looking convincingly disappointed. This is witch hunting, nothing else. It's somewhere on reddit, buried in hundreds of comments. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
RIP mandu | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On April 05 2014 18:02 red_ wrote:This is a common and faulty mindset. They are some of the best players in the world AT PLAYING THEIR BEST TO WIN. They almost assuredly have no practice at subtly throwing a game. no, thinking that you're an expert and so smart that you would easily catch out people who play and coach this game for a living and are trying to fool you is a faulty mindset. if i remember correctly, SKT S was an ~80% betting favorite to win each individual set (and would have been an even bigger favorite were it not for mild matchfixing concerns) and they had a plausible reason to throw both matches. if you don't think them losing 0-2 is at least somewhat suspicious then you've got some serious blinders on. just to illustrate the math of the situation, the probability of an event with a 20% chance of occurring happening twice in two tries is 4%. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Aeromi
France14462 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On April 05 2014 19:40 Aeromi wrote: Which team won yesterday during Prime vs SKT ? prime 2:0 that's why all the commotion | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Just deal with it. | ||
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