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tbh fntc lost 2/4 games in laning phase just by firstpicking fizz
their play is good enough to challenge royal but their drafting was bad, especially in game 4
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Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori.
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I know this isn't the place for this, but can someone explain to me why the LoL forum isn't in my sidebar anymore?
And yeah, as much as I love RC and Tabe, they are massive underdogs going into this final.
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On September 30 2013 01:08 Headshot wrote:
I know this isn't the place for this, but can someone explain to me why the LoL forum isn't in my sidebar anymore?
And yeah, as much as I love RC and Tabe, they are massive underdogs going into this final.
Have you checked if you haven't filtered other at the top?
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On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori.
Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard.
Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo.
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On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo.
Having watched xPeke over the past two years, I think the hype is warranted. That said, he choked hard against Wh1t3zZ. Compare his performance against Hai or during the EU LCS. He played levels below what is expected of him at the Semis. I don't think it was nerves either, just poor adaptation to Royal's playstyle.
Yango also mentioned this and I definitely agree, Royal did a much better job researching Fnatic than vice versa. From drafting to lane selection.
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On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo.
lol... butthurt much ?
xPeke played pretty badly, and he also played cocky first picking in all the matches, letting white countering him everytime hhe could. Also, he didn't get any support from Cyanide, who only ganked uzi, which lead peke to play passive in all the lanes.
I don't think a mid like xpeke has to prove anything really. xPeke has never been a great laner. People just like to talk out of thin air, but he was never known for his dominant laning, but for his team fighting skill and for his tendancy to go for weird plays, split push and backdoor. Remember Peke losing 1vs1 vs Hai as TF vs the fish ?
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On September 30 2013 01:35 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. Having watched xPeke over the past two years, I think the hype is warranted. That said, he choked hard against Wh1t3zZ. Compare his performance against Hai or during the EU LCS. He played levels below what is expected of him at the Semis. I don't think it was nerves either, just poor adaptation to Royal's playstyle. Yango also mentioned this and I definitely agree, Royal did a much better job researching Fnatic than vice versa. From drafting to lane selection.
I thought there's something to be said about the fact that he was generally matched up against weaker laners so ended up looking better as a byproduct.
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On September 30 2013 01:36 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. lol... butthurt much ? xPeke played pretty badly, and he also played cocky first picking in all the matches, letting white countering him everytime hhe could. Also, he didn't get any support from Cyanide, who only ganked uzi, which lead peke to play passive in all the lanes. I don't think a mid like xpeke has to prove anything really. xPeke has never been a great laner. People just like to talk out of thin air, but he was never known for his dominant laning, but for his team fighting skill and for his tendancy to go for weird plays, split push and backdoor. Remember Peke losing 1vs1 vs Hai as TF vs the fish ?
...why would he be butthurt? :\ WhiteDog plz.
xPeke might not be the strongest laner but I don't recalling him losing CS to other Mid Lanes as hard as he did yesterday. Of course, he's greatest strength is obviously playmaking but to say he's a bad laner is overstepping imo.
The TF vs Fizz was complete and utter hubris by xPeke. Enough said.
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On September 30 2013 01:40 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:35 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. Having watched xPeke over the past two years, I think the hype is warranted. That said, he choked hard against Wh1t3zZ. Compare his performance against Hai or during the EU LCS. He played levels below what is expected of him at the Semis. I don't think it was nerves either, just poor adaptation to Royal's playstyle. Yango also mentioned this and I definitely agree, Royal did a much better job researching Fnatic than vice versa. From drafting to lane selection. I thought there's something to be said about the fact that he was generally matched up against weaker laners so ended up looking better as a byproduct.
It did play a part that whitezz got comfortable match up like ori vs fizz but xpeke definitely under performed on the whole. Like in game 4 he made some regi level plays such as his attempt to solo all in uzi when tabe was right behind.
On September 30 2013 01:41 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:36 WhiteDog wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. lol... butthurt much ? xPeke played pretty badly, and he also played cocky first picking in all the matches, letting white countering him everytime hhe could. Also, he didn't get any support from Cyanide, who only ganked uzi, which lead peke to play passive in all the lanes. I don't think a mid like xpeke has to prove anything really. xPeke has never been a great laner. People just like to talk out of thin air, but he was never known for his dominant laning, but for his team fighting skill and for his tendancy to go for weird plays, split push and backdoor. Remember Peke losing 1vs1 vs Hai as TF vs the fish ? ...why would he be butthurt? :\ WhiteDog plz. xPeke might not be the strongest laner but I don't recalling him losing CS to other Mid Lanes as hard as he did yesterday. Of course, he's greatest strength is obviously playmaking but to say he's a bad laner is overstepping imo. The TF vs Fizz was complete and utter hubris by xPeke. Enough said.
To make the TF vs Fizz even worse for some unknown reason he didn't take barrier, I really don't know what xpeke was expecting picking TF into fizz without barrier.
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On September 30 2013 01:40 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:35 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. Having watched xPeke over the past two years, I think the hype is warranted. That said, he choked hard against Wh1t3zZ. Compare his performance against Hai or during the EU LCS. He played levels below what is expected of him at the Semis. I don't think it was nerves either, just poor adaptation to Royal's playstyle. Yango also mentioned this and I definitely agree, Royal did a much better job researching Fnatic than vice versa. From drafting to lane selection. I thought there's something to be said about the fact that he was generally matched up against weaker laners so ended up looking better as a byproduct.
He can consistently stand up to Alex Ich and Bjergsen, who are the strongest players for those respective teams.
I don't see how anyone can say xPeke's a bad laner. What's the metric here? Faker?
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On September 30 2013 00:48 greggy wrote:
tbh fntc lost 2/4 games in laning phase just by firstpicking fizz
their play is good enough to challenge royal but their drafting was bad, especially in game 4
How can you say that after Peke was down 50-18 cs Ahri vs Orianna after getting first blood and Uzi almost doubled Pzucus cs every single game? Fnatic's teamfighting was almost on par with Royal Clubs, but their laning phase and mechanics certainly weren't. They lost a whole lot more than picks and bans.
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On September 30 2013 01:41 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:36 WhiteDog wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. lol... butthurt much ? xPeke played pretty badly, and he also played cocky first picking in all the matches, letting white countering him everytime hhe could. Also, he didn't get any support from Cyanide, who only ganked uzi, which lead peke to play passive in all the lanes. I don't think a mid like xpeke has to prove anything really. xPeke has never been a great laner. People just like to talk out of thin air, but he was never known for his dominant laning, but for his team fighting skill and for his tendancy to go for weird plays, split push and backdoor. Remember Peke losing 1vs1 vs Hai as TF vs the fish ? ...why would he be butthurt? :\ WhiteDog plz. xPeke might not be the strongest laner but I don't recalling him losing CS to other Mid Lanes as hard as he did yesterday. Of course, he's greatest strength is obviously playmaking but to say he's a bad laner is overstepping imo. The TF vs Fizz was complete and utter hubris by xPeke. Enough said.
The real question is, has xPeke played against any amazing mids so far this World Championships?
alex ich is possibly the only world class mid laner he's gotten to play against, and well. Gambit hasn't won a match against fnatic in like 5 months.
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On September 30 2013 01:41 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:36 WhiteDog wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. lol... butthurt much ? xPeke played pretty badly, and he also played cocky first picking in all the matches, letting white countering him everytime hhe could. Also, he didn't get any support from Cyanide, who only ganked uzi, which lead peke to play passive in all the lanes. I don't think a mid like xpeke has to prove anything really. xPeke has never been a great laner. People just like to talk out of thin air, but he was never known for his dominant laning, but for his team fighting skill and for his tendancy to go for weird plays, split push and backdoor. Remember Peke losing 1vs1 vs Hai as TF vs the fish ? ...why would he be butthurt? :\ WhiteDog plz. xPeke might not be the strongest laner but I don't recalling him losing CS to other Mid Lanes as hard as he did yesterday. Of course, he's greatest strength is obviously playmaking but to say he's a bad laner is overstepping imo. The TF vs Fizz was complete and utter hubris by xPeke. Enough said.
I'm not saying he is a bad laner, but he has never been the type of player to makes plays in lane. Put the TF vs Fizz aside, he didn't crush Hai in lane in any of the games played, despite all the people saying Hai was supposed to be C9's weakness. He played Kass, farmed slowly, and waited for his time as he almost always do.
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On September 30 2013 01:42 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:40 KissBlade wrote:On September 30 2013 01:35 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. Having watched xPeke over the past two years, I think the hype is warranted. That said, he choked hard against Wh1t3zZ. Compare his performance against Hai or during the EU LCS. He played levels below what is expected of him at the Semis. I don't think it was nerves either, just poor adaptation to Royal's playstyle. Yango also mentioned this and I definitely agree, Royal did a much better job researching Fnatic than vice versa. From drafting to lane selection. I thought there's something to be said about the fact that he was generally matched up against weaker laners so ended up looking better as a byproduct. He can consistently stand up to Alex Ich and Bjergsen, who are the strongest players for those respective teams. I don't see how anyone can say xPeke's a bad laner. What's the metric here? Faker?
EU mids are categorically overrated TBH. When people started floating the "Korea has the best tops" thing, people felt the need to "balance" it by saying stuff like "EU has the best mids" and "NA has strong ADCS" (back before people realized, you know, China) and this myth persisted. EU mids are far from the best imo.
Personally I'd rank Korean and Chinese mids both far above EU mids, both at the very top and the "average" laner. Maybe xPeke did underperform, but if EU really had the "best mids," the underperforming top mid laner shouldn't be getting completely wrecked in lane against an average mid laner from another region ~_~
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On September 30 2013 01:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:42 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:40 KissBlade wrote:On September 30 2013 01:35 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. Having watched xPeke over the past two years, I think the hype is warranted. That said, he choked hard against Wh1t3zZ. Compare his performance against Hai or during the EU LCS. He played levels below what is expected of him at the Semis. I don't think it was nerves either, just poor adaptation to Royal's playstyle. Yango also mentioned this and I definitely agree, Royal did a much better job researching Fnatic than vice versa. From drafting to lane selection. I thought there's something to be said about the fact that he was generally matched up against weaker laners so ended up looking better as a byproduct. He can consistently stand up to Alex Ich and Bjergsen, who are the strongest players for those respective teams. I don't see how anyone can say xPeke's a bad laner. What's the metric here? Faker? EU mids are categorically overrated TBH. When people started floating the "Korea has the best tops" thing, people felt the need to "balance" it by saying stuff like "EU has the best mids" and "NA has strong ADCS" (back before people realized, you know, China) and this myth persisted. EU mids are far from the best imo.
Those things were said back when froggen was in the final of OGN, Gambit was destroying everything, and even Ocelot was still recognized as one of the best player in the world.
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On September 30 2013 01:36 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. lol... butthurt much ? xPeke played pretty badly, and he also played cocky first picking in all the matches, letting white countering him everytime hhe could. Also, he didn't get any support from Cyanide, who only ganked uzi, which lead peke to play passive in all the lanes. I don't think a mid like xpeke has to prove anything really. xPeke has never been a great laner. People just like to talk out of thin air, but he was never known for his dominant laning, but for his team fighting skill and for his tendancy to go for weird plays, split push and backdoor. Remember Peke losing 1vs1 vs Hai as TF vs the fish ?
Ya, so shocking that he should lose 1v1 in one of the absolute worst counter-matchups in the game. That's kind of the reason people put that game 2 loss entirely on his arrogance to pick TF into Fizz.
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On September 30 2013 01:49 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 30 2013 01:42 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:40 KissBlade wrote:On September 30 2013 01:35 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. Having watched xPeke over the past two years, I think the hype is warranted. That said, he choked hard against Wh1t3zZ. Compare his performance against Hai or during the EU LCS. He played levels below what is expected of him at the Semis. I don't think it was nerves either, just poor adaptation to Royal's playstyle. Yango also mentioned this and I definitely agree, Royal did a much better job researching Fnatic than vice versa. From drafting to lane selection. I thought there's something to be said about the fact that he was generally matched up against weaker laners so ended up looking better as a byproduct. He can consistently stand up to Alex Ich and Bjergsen, who are the strongest players for those respective teams. I don't see how anyone can say xPeke's a bad laner. What's the metric here? Faker? EU mids are categorically overrated TBH. When people started floating the "Korea has the best tops" thing, people felt the need to "balance" it by saying stuff like "EU has the best mids" and "NA has strong ADCS" (back before people realized, you know, China) and this myth persisted. EU mids are far from the best imo. Those things were said back when froggen was in the final of OGN, Gambit was destroying everything, and even Ocelot was still recognized as one of the best player in the world.
Yes i understand, and that's my point - even if it had some merit back then (I think it was more true back then than now, but still not that accurate), the fact that it originated a season ago means it shouldn't be propagated anymore, yet people still spread it as if it holds true to this day which si silly.
I think alex ich was truly a top class mid laner back then, but Froggen was highly overrated because he essentially had 4 people on his team sacrificing their own farm to get him fed. Real easy to look good when your entire team is based on protecting and prioritizing you lol. He was good don't get me wrong, but his untouchable mystique as the best mid was definitely a byproduct of his team's playstyle.
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On September 30 2013 01:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:42 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:40 KissBlade wrote:On September 30 2013 01:35 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. Having watched xPeke over the past two years, I think the hype is warranted. That said, he choked hard against Wh1t3zZ. Compare his performance against Hai or during the EU LCS. He played levels below what is expected of him at the Semis. I don't think it was nerves either, just poor adaptation to Royal's playstyle. Yango also mentioned this and I definitely agree, Royal did a much better job researching Fnatic than vice versa. From drafting to lane selection. I thought there's something to be said about the fact that he was generally matched up against weaker laners so ended up looking better as a byproduct. He can consistently stand up to Alex Ich and Bjergsen, who are the strongest players for those respective teams. I don't see how anyone can say xPeke's a bad laner. What's the metric here? Faker? EU mids are categorically overrated TBH. When people started floating the "Korea has the best tops" thing, people felt the need to "balance" it by saying stuff like "EU has the best mids" and "NA has strong ADCS" (back before people realized, you know, China) and this myth persisted. EU mids are far from the best imo. Personally I'd rank Korean and Chinese mids both far above EU mids, both at the very top and the "average" laner. Maybe xPeke did underperform, but if EU really had the "best mids," the underperforming top laner shouldn't be getting completely wrecked in lane against an average mid laner from another region ~_~
haha, I never actually thought about it like but I think you're on to something. NA had Doublelift and miraculously, our ADC were international caliber? idk. I actually think Support is our (NA) best role now.
Mid might be EU's best role but I don't think they are head and shoulders above KR/CN's best Mids.
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On September 30 2013 01:49 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:36 WhiteDog wrote:On September 30 2013 01:24 overt wrote:On September 30 2013 01:02 KissBlade wrote:
Royal needs to play the way they did against OMG to even stand a chance.
And mid actually lost lane all four games regardless of the matchup. Game 2 made especially no sense because xpeke came into lane with an extra dorans + flask + pots + 1 ward and yet still managed to be behind 40 cs by ten minutes as ahri vs Ori. Whites isn't even top 3 mids in China either. Wish we could've seen OMG play Gambit. As it stands EU mids could be over hyped, xPeke could be over hyped, or else xPeke choked really hard. Also people are massively underestimating Royal just like they did in Quarters and Semis. Finals will be close imo. lol... butthurt much ? xPeke played pretty badly, and he also played cocky first picking in all the matches, letting white countering him everytime hhe could. Also, he didn't get any support from Cyanide, who only ganked uzi, which lead peke to play passive in all the lanes. I don't think a mid like xpeke has to prove anything really. xPeke has never been a great laner. People just like to talk out of thin air, but he was never known for his dominant laning, but for his team fighting skill and for his tendancy to go for weird plays, split push and backdoor. Remember Peke losing 1vs1 vs Hai as TF vs the fish ? Ya, so shocking that he should lose 1v1 in one of the absolute worst counter-matchups in the game. That's kind of the reason people put that game 2 loss entirely on his arrogance to pick TF into Fizz.
Arrogance surely, but it's also a pattern : fp Kassadin, pick TF against fizz, fp Fizz, he is always searching for team fight oriented picks even if it puts him behind in lane.
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