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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On September 30 2013 01:54 NeoIllusions wrote: haha, I never actually thought about it like but I think you're on to something. NA had Doublelift and miraculously, our ADC were international caliber? idk. I actually think Support is our (NA) best role now. Mid might be EU's best role but I don't think they are head and shoulders above KR/CN's best Mids. After seeing how Xpecial, LemonNation, and Bloodwater did in the Worlds, I disagree. I think it's maybe sort of possible that some AD players from NA might be able to compete at the worlds, but I can tell you, these NA supports who were supposed to be amazing dropped the ball hard. All of them were not good. NA's "best" role is still our AD players. Wildturtle really stepped it up. I think even Jungle can be called one of our better roles as people were impressed by both the Oddone and Meteos. KR/CN mids #1. Cool vs Faker rematches were definitely nice to see. The fact that Wh1t3zZ was able to essentially slow down Cool's pacing is a pretty big factor in their wins. So, I think Wh1t3zZ might not be as far behind as he sometimes seems/ people are saying. His games against Fnatic is similar as well. He seems to have a way to disrupt these high pressure mids. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On September 30 2013 04:15 Shiznick wrote: considering how many times royal got caught out in blatantly stupid ways (I'm looking at you Lucky), and it doesn't come as much of a surprise. Also I'm not sure if I'd consider NA's strongest role support, considering that C9 is NA's finest, and LemonNation had absolutely abysmal vision control against fnatic. I feel like the top 2 NA players at their role are pretty good, considering an international level, and then everyone under doesn't really compare. I mean, I don't think Neo was arguing that Chauster support was good. Xpecial, Bloodwater and Edward (for now at least) are all generally considered to be good or at least competent and a positive for their teams. Conversely, every other role has either one person or maybe only one person on one champion who could hold up as you say. Strongest is relative, and C9's weaknesses with vision control (not only Lemon is to blame here), and their duo-lane pre-teamfights doesn't contradict that. If you're going to disagree that support is NA's strongest role, that's fine just suggest an alternative. We're not exactly comparing the titans or anything here. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On September 30 2013 04:32 Haiq343 wrote: I mean, I don't think Neo was arguing that Chauster support was good. Xpecial, Bloodwater and Edward (for now at least) are all generally considered to be good or at least competent and a positive for their teams. Conversely, every other role has either one person or maybe only one person on one champion who could hold up as you say. Strongest is relative, and C9's weaknesses with vision control (not only Lemon is to blame here), and their duo-lane pre-teamfights doesn't contradict that. If you're going to disagree that support is NA's strongest role, that's fine just suggest an alternative. We're not exactly comparing the titans or anything here. I think ketchup expressed my views on this pretty well, Xpecial dropped the ball hugely in a number of their matches. I didn't really pay much attention to Bloodwater in Vulcun's games, so I can't comment there. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
As for Cyanide's post. Their mechanics weren't anywhere close to the Chinese team and that's why their team fights meant practically nothing as they had a hard time getting any objectives done when they won those fights. That shows you how well the Chinese had them pushed back and they still had map control, lol. Time and time again all the Chinese needed was winning one team fight and the game would end. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 30 2013 04:47 Shiznick wrote: I think ketchup expressed my views on this pretty well, Xpecial dropped the ball hugely in a number of their matches. I didn't really pay much attention to Bloodwater in Vulcun's games, so I can't comment there. Bloodwater was fine, he didn't elevate his play to the level he's capable of but he wasn't an active problem like sid ended up being as worlds. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 30 2013 04:15 Shiznick wrote: considering how many times royal got caught out in blatantly stupid ways (I'm looking at you Lucky), and it doesn't come as much of a surprise. Also I'm not sure if I'd consider NA's strongest role support, considering that C9 is NA's finest, and LemonNation had absolutely abysmal vision control against fnatic. I feel like the top 2 NA players at their role are pretty good, considering an international level, and then everyone under doesn't really compare. Yep, a lot of it was on their rotation and warding. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 30 2013 05:15 BlueBird. wrote: Anyone have some preliminary numbers on Worlds viewer #s, i'm curious. Western numbers peaked at 900k so far. Korean and Chinese number still have to be added on to that. I think the only definitive number that is going to be published with everything added on to each other will be the grand finals viewership, with Korean TV ratings and all of that. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
though, the likelihood of this is low as long as there isn't a severe outpick in mid edit: but yea i think faker has died a lot to turrets and fountain l0l | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + too easy ;; | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:01 Kipsate wrote: What if the dark truth is that NA sucks in every role compared to other regions and they don't have the best role but just the least worse role. + Show Spoiler + too easy ;; Isn't that what best role implied from the beginning? | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
First Tier: World Championship.SKT Second Tier: World Competitor: OMG/KTB/Royal Third Tier: World Class Team: Fnatic/CJF/CJB/NajinSword/WE Fourth Tier: Regional Powerhouse Cloud9/LGIM2/SSO/iG/PE Fifth: Regional Competitor TSM/Vulcun/GamaBear/Rstar/LMQ/LGD/EG/Lemondog/ATN/Any OGN teams A big roster change is coming though. Royal: Only Uzi and Godlike will stay OMG and PE: Rumor of Roster Shuffle: Namei, the second best/best adc in China joined OMG. iG: xiaoxiao retire after IEF/WCG CJ: Merge of Blaze and Frost | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:04 wei2coolman wrote: Isn't that what best role implied from the beginning? NA definitely have world-class ADC. Doublelift and Wildturtle have already proved themselves. Zzitai: NA teams are good at trolling their adc. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:04 wei2coolman wrote: Isn't that what best role implied from the beginning? The framing is different. Also I think Samsung choked bigtime but I wouldn't put them too badly and I still think C9 is overated but I suppose we will never truly know. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On September 30 2013 01:56 Dan HH wrote: Were you not watching LoL in S2? "EU best mids" precedes the S2 Finals and the "KR best tops", the fact that things changed doesn't mean it was never true and it's just something people made up to make them feel better about their region. Edit: typo Misaya. Savior of the human race. I know Zzitai was god but I don't know if that was during S2 or afterwards. There were also a lot of pretty good Korean mids before they all started sucking relatively speaking. Don't remember their names though...the mids on Blaze/Frost? I think I'd agree that Froggen was the best AP mid in EU back during S2 along with Alex Ich but iono looking back if I could definitively say those two were the best in the world. On September 30 2013 09:12 Kipsate wrote: The framing is different. Also I think Samsung choked bigtime but I wouldn't put them too badly and I still think C9 is overated but I suppose we will never truly know. We do truly know. They lost to Fnatic.  | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Steins;Gate
1422 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:08 niukasu1990 wrote: I think at the end of season3 the current power ranking should be First Tier: World Championship.SKT Second Tier: World Competitor: OMG/KTB/Royal Third Tier: World Class Team: Fnatic/CJF/CJB/NajinSword/WE Fourth Tier: Regional Powerhouse Cloud9/LGIM2/SSO/iG/PE Fifth: Regional Competitor TSM/Vulcun/GamaBear/Rstar/LMQ/LGD/EG/Lemondog/ATN/Any OGN teams A big roster change is coming though. Royal: Only Uzi and Godlike will stay OMG and PE: Rumor of Roster Shuffle: Namei, the second best/best adc in China joined OMG. iG: xiaoxiao retire after IEF/WCG CJ: Merge of Blaze and Frost wait, blaze and frost are merging? O_O | ||
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