EPT[S3 Worlds] Finals - Page 8
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On September 30 2013 14:31 UmberBane wrote: Personally I think Doublelift needs to prove himself again. I'm not sure if we can just assume that he is still as good as he was, seeing how other players fell off heavily. This. It's like saying that Reginald, Ocelote or Shushei are world class player because they once were good  | ||
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On September 30 2013 16:22 KissBlade wrote: Fuuucckk been watching Royal's interview and maaaann I'm so conflicted. SKT fan since Boxer but Royal's interviews make them so likable nooooooooooooooooooooo. =( if it makes you feel better, chinese fans apparently dislike royal, and piglet is the cutest. So, root for SKT! | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:19 Zergneedsfood wrote: Misaya. Savior of the human race. I know Zzitai was god but I don't know if that was during S2 or afterwards. There were also a lot of pretty good Korean mids before they all started sucking relatively speaking. Don't remember their names though...the mids on Blaze/Frost? I think I'd agree that Froggen was the best AP mid in EU back during S2 along with Alex Ich but iono looking back if I could definitively say those two were the best in the world. KR was still a baby region last summer, only Ambition was up to snuff. MidKing & ManyReason had some hype but it was short-lived. China was a bit of a mystery, they had been isolated for pretty much an entire year after IEM Guangzhou due to visa issues. There was a lot of interest in WE but when they finally played in Champions Summer & IPL Faceoff they kinda choked. It was only around the S2 Finals that Misaya and Zitai started being properly recognized. Maybe in hindsight you could say that Froggen & Alex weren't ahead of everyone else, but in the Spring & Summer of S2 saying that would have been like saying that Faker is overhyped now. There were a crapload of videos with their plays floating around and people were losing their minds whenever they got a kill, no matter how simple. Anyway, my point was that Sheep got his chronology way wrong. The "EU best mids" thing wasn't some epeen contest with "KR best tops", the latter started being said several months later when Maknoon & Shy got popular acclaim. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 30 2013 14:31 UmberBane wrote: Personally I think Doublelift needs to prove himself again. I'm not sure if we can just assume that he is still as good as he was, seeing how other players fell off heavily. Feels more like clg underperforming not so much dl. Sorta hard to smash lane when you have to lane with Chauster. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 30 2013 17:24 wei2coolman wrote: Feels more like clg underperforming not so much dl. Sorta hard to smash lane when you have to lane with Chauster. Yeah I wouldn't say it's his fault, but that doesn't really change the outcome in the end. It's one of those things where you can't prove that it's true, but you also can't prove that it's not true So it will never be resolved until he gets the chance to play against world class teams again. It's just my assumption that you probably can't really maintain a world class skill if you're "rotting" (for the lack of a better word) away on a mid tier NA team, when top AD carries from other regions constantly play and practice against the best of the best. | ||
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nikuniku
212 Posts
On September 30 2013 10:25 TheYango wrote: I dispute that. China's junglers have always sucked. What? Name another jungler that has performed significantly better than Lovelin during S3. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 30 2013 17:54 Numy wrote: Lovelin seems to be the example of the exception not the rule Imagine Lovelin on Royal... | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
On September 30 2013 17:44 nikuniku wrote: What? Name another jungler that has performed significantly better than Lovelin during S3. I think Lovelin is a manly man, but his success at Worlds has a lot to do with the rest of the regions being unfamiliar with OMG's jungle style. He is very good, however, but probably not quite as good as people seem to think he is. ClearLove was a good jungler, but he's probably fallen off quite a bit now. | ||
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
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skykh
3006 Posts
Xpeke lose lane vs mightly Imp/mata lose lane to eu adcs Flame has lose lane to top laners like darien Misaya lose mid to wildturtle Hell they are examples: That losing lane to a inferior opponent doesnt mean u are shit mid/top/adc or whatever | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On September 30 2013 16:55 Dan HH wrote: KR was still a baby region last summer, only Ambition was up to snuff. MidKing & ManyReason had some hype but it was short-lived. China was a bit of a mystery, they had been isolated for pretty much an entire year after IEM Guangzhou due to visa issues. There was a lot of interest in WE but when they finally played in Champions Summer & IPL Faceoff they kinda choked. It was only around the S2 Finals that Misaya and Zitai started being properly recognized. Maybe in hindsight you could say that Froggen & Alex weren't ahead of everyone else, but in the Spring & Summer of S2 saying that would have been like saying that Faker is overhyped now. There were a crapload of videos with their plays floating around and people were losing their minds whenever they got a kill, no matter how simple. Anyway, my point was that Sheep got his chronology way wrong. The "EU best mids" thing wasn't some epeen contest with "KR best tops", the latter started being said several months later when Maknoon & Shy got popular acclaim. Not even lol to say Korea was a "baby region" last summer is absurd. I mean sure if your only perspective was circljerking voer Froggen and watching TSMBAYLIFe sure the "Korean best tops" only came in S2 finals, but to people who actually followed the scene it was floated way before when you suggested, and the EU best mid was a direct response to that. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 30 2013 19:30 skykh wrote: Faker has lose lane vs dade/ryu remember. He doesnt even win vs reginald You forget after Fake lost lane to dade/ryu he destroyed their ability to ever play mid lane again. One does not tempt fate. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On September 30 2013 19:09 1ntrigue wrote: I think Lovelin is a manly man, but his success at Worlds has a lot to do with the rest of the regions being unfamiliar with OMG's jungle style. He is very good, however, but probably not quite as good as people seem to think he is. ClearLove was a good jungler, but he's probably fallen off quite a bit now. Lovelin is/was a feeder in LPL lol. China Junglers blow. clearlove/Troll was awful too but he became much better in the period after S2. China jungle talent si definitely lacking. On September 30 2013 09:01 Kipsate wrote: What if the dark truth is that NA sucks in every role compared to other regions and they don't have the best role but just the least worse role. + Show Spoiler + too easy ;; I mean, yes, that's exactly the case we all thought it just no one wanted to actually say it. Dis Kip. And yes C9 is overrated. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 30 2013 22:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Not even lol to say Korea was a "baby region" last summer is absurd. I mean sure if your only perspective was circljerking voer Froggen and watching TSMBAYLIFe sure the "Korean best tops" only came in S2 finals, but to people who actually followed the scene it was floated way before when you suggested, and the EU best mid was a direct response to that. i think the presence of kespa teams on the scene does expand the professional development of korean lol greatly. along with more players getting a shot, you have a pretty big expansion of talent and team infrastructure after s2. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On September 30 2013 22:28 oneofthem wrote: i think the presence of kespa teams on the scene does expand the professional development of korean lol greatly. along with more players getting a shot, you have a pretty big expansion of talent and team infrastructure after s2. Meh, we've discussed the impact of KeSPA on ESPORTS to death over the years at TL, I don't think there's much left to be said. The only thing we can actually say about KeSPA is that it has its pros and its cons, it's a bit naive to brand KeSPA as a simple net positive or net negative. On September 30 2013 22:37 oneofthem wrote: anyway according to the coach of royal they've prepared some new heroes during scrims with other teams. this includes jax and rumble (from scrimming against najin and tsm respectively), but also some that they have not revealed. would be interesting to see what these are. Bait Faker Ahri, Veigar 1 shot. Finally, the legend of the Veigar lategame will be revealed on the world stage. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
chinese teams have also improved with omg and royal emerging above the old guard. btw i think kayle was one of the champs they prepared. | ||
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