EPT[S3 Worlds] Finals - Page 7
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
And HOLY SHIT. If Devil goes to OMG, that is going to be a dream team in the making. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Seems like Tabe is going to retire after the finals. Maybe I am late with this, but didnt know that until now. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:00 wei2coolman wrote: Our junglers are okay, Xmithie and Meteos pretty good (but junglers have always been fairly even among the regions). I dispute that. China's junglers have always sucked. On September 30 2013 10:00 KissBlade wrote: And HOLY SHIT. If Devil goes to OMG, that is going to be a dream team in the making. Meh, I think BigPomelo is a bigger problem for their bot lane than San, tbh. San's just bad *relative to other Chinese ADs*, but still pretty good relative to the rest of the world. BigPomelo is just pretty unimpressive overall. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:32 Steins;Gate wrote: wait, blaze and frost are merging? O_O dunno if it's confirmed/suggested anywhere, but Blaze and Frost really should merge On September 30 2013 10:25 TheYango wrote: I dispute that. China's junglers have always sucked. I agree. I think our junglers are all not very good. TOO carries TSM from time to time and is consistent, but I never see him really carry the way say Bengi does. Meteos only seems good because he gets a disproportionate amount of farm due to how C9 plays. I'm still not convinced that's the most optimal way to play jungle at the pro level. | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
On September 30 2013 10:26 Ryuu314 wrote: dunno if it's confirmed/suggested anywhere, but Blaze and Frost really should merge I agree. I think our junglers are all not very good. TOO carries TSM from time to time and is consistent, but I never see him really carry the way say Bengi does. Meteos only seems good because he gets a disproportionate amount of farm due to how C9 plays. I'm still not convinced that's the most optimal way to play jungle at the pro level. The biggest problem is Hai. He can't lane aganst world class player without blue buff | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On September 30 2013 10:48 Itsmedudeman wrote: The fact that hai couldn't play orianna or ahri at a world class level was pretty big. Almost all of C9 has a pretty limited champion pool. The thing that got them by was the fact that in NA they would target ban champions they thought were critical to C9's compositions like rumble, vlad, etc. C9 fell into a trap against fnatic when they were banning the same role as fnatic were and ended up banning hai out unintentionally. No, C9 has an absurd champion pool, Hai's just not good at the particular champs in this meta. I kept stats over the first 15 games they played in the LCS: Meteos -> Nasus(x5), Zac(x4), Lee(x2), Elise(x2), Jarvan, Nunu Hai -> Zed(x4),Khaz,Kennen(x2), Jayce(x4), Twisted Fate(x3), Lissandra Balls -> Elise(x2),Rumble(x5),Ryze(x4),Kennen(x3), Jayce, Sneaky ->Draven(x6), Ez(x6), Jayce, Ashe(x2) Lemon ->Thresh(x6), Sona(x2), Lulu(x3), Janna(x2) Zyra(x2) If you want to argue that C9 don't have pocket champs that are truly world class you can make that argument, but no one on C9 has a particularly shallow champion pool, the meta just shifted away from Hai's best champs, which is something that happens. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Again, scrims are just scrims. SKT are one through five the better team, but with 15,000+ fans, the atmosphere and the pressure of $1,000,000 and world champions on the line, it'll come down to which team holds their nerve and performs better. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On September 30 2013 11:09 IamPryda wrote: I think skt has shown how deep there team is. Benji has been there MVP to this point on a team that has faker piglet and impact all being very strong I started being a SKT fan when they first formed, and they are a joy to watch because of their composure. Impact is a strong player, but Expession is simply on another level. Impact (and even Faker) were demoralized after their g1 loss, but Bengi reassured the team and they went on to perform in (yet another) high pressure situation with the odds stacked against them. Impact is not the best top. Piglet/Pooh are not the best bot lane; they can and have lost lanes at worlds. Even Faker has looked shaky in lane at times. But SKT's teamwork, strategy, shotcalling, and composure are just beyond any other team's so far. Royal hasn't been tested in this regard on an international stage, so we'll see how they do. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 30 2013 11:00 Amethyst21 wrote: No, C9 has an absurd champion pool, Hai's just not good at the particular champs in this meta. I kept stats over the first 15 games they played in the LCS: Meteos -> Nasus(x5), Zac(x4), Lee(x2), Elise(x2), Jarvan, Nunu Hai -> Zed(x4),Khaz,Kennen(x2), Jayce(x4), Twisted Fate(x3), Lissandra Balls -> Elise(x2),Rumble(x5),Ryze(x4),Kennen(x3), Jayce, Sneaky ->Draven(x6), Ez(x6), Jayce, Ashe(x2) Lemon ->Thresh(x6), Sona(x2), Lulu(x3), Janna(x2) Zyra(x2) If you want to argue that C9 don't have pocket champs that are truly world class you can make that argument, but no one on C9 has a particularly shallow champion pool, the meta just shifted away from Hai's best champs, which is something that happens. Do you believe that hai could make khazix, jayce, and twisted fate work? If sneaky pulled out draven he would get destroyed as well. You just pulled out a bunch of champions that aren't viable in this meta. Fuck, I could argue dade has a diverse champion pool if that was your argument. I'd also like to make a point on the importance of champion pools. It's really not just about being able to play a champion decently. When you can't play OP champions it's as if you were losing a ban and setting yourself up to be outpicked. You only have 3 bans, and if you can't threaten the other team by picking one of the must ban champions in the meta then you are setting yourself behind automatically. You can make up for it by making another champion OP with your team's style, but C9 can only do that in NA apparently. Xpeke's kassadin for example was a must ban, but hai's kennen is not. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 30 2013 11:12 Fionn wrote: Chinese interview with Tabe says that Royal beat pretty much every other team in scrims, but continually lost to SKT. Their bot lane held even, but mid and top got rocked. You can see why Tabe holds them in such high respect when talking about them. Again, scrims are just scrims. SKT are one through five the better team, but with 15,000+ fans, the atmosphere and the pressure of $1,000,000 and world champions on the line, it'll come down to which team holds their nerve and performs better. I think we know for a fact that bengi, piglet, and faker don't crumble under pressure. I'm fairly certain impact has nerve issues at times when he's up against a really, really good top laner. He mentioned how he was nervous against GB until he realized he was a better top laner. Mandu is just inconsistent. I also don't think royal has too many nerve issues but they have a tendency to make team mistakes under pressure. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
royal's top laner is not strong himself. when they split push it's usually white and uzi doing it. godlike is liek an inferior version of impact | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On September 30 2013 12:11 oneofthem wrote: i guess royal can repeatedly dive impact and make him a liability. he's shown to be susceptible to early ganks. but we are talking about asking lucky to do the work here, not very convincing. royal's top laner is not strong himself. when they split push it's usually white and uzi doing it. godlike is liek an inferior version of impact That being said, both Godlike and Impact have performed extremely well on Renekton. I expect both Renek and Shen to be highly contested picks, and how the teams pick/ban those 2 champs to be a big factor on the series. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 30 2013 11:00 Amethyst21 wrote: No, C9 has an absurd champion pool, Hai's just not good at the particular champs in this meta. I kept stats over the first 15 games they played in the LCS: Meteos -> Nasus(x5), Zac(x4), Lee(x2), Elise(x2), Jarvan, Nunu Hai -> Zed(x4),Khaz,Kennen(x2), Jayce(x4), Twisted Fate(x3), Lissandra Balls -> Elise(x2),Rumble(x5),Ryze(x4),Kennen(x3), Jayce, Sneaky ->Draven(x6), Ez(x6), Jayce, Ashe(x2) Lemon ->Thresh(x6), Sona(x2), Lulu(x3), Janna(x2) Zyra(x2) If you want to argue that C9 don't have pocket champs that are truly world class you can make that argument, but no one on C9 has a particularly shallow champion pool, the meta just shifted away from Hai's best champs, which is something that happens. I think people are saying that now because of the new patch where once again certain champs have become viable. Pretty much nailed it. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 30 2013 09:11 niukasu1990 wrote: NA definitely have world-class ADC. Doublelift and Wildturtle have already proved themselves. Zzitai: NA teams are good at trolling their adc. Personally I think Doublelift needs to prove himself again. I'm not sure if we can just assume that he is still as good as he was, seeing how other players fell off heavily. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 30 2013 11:00 Amethyst21 wrote: No, C9 has an absurd champion pool, Hai's just not good at the particular champs in this meta. I kept stats over the first 15 games they played in the LCS: Meteos -> Nasus(x5), Zac(x4), Lee(x2), Elise(x2), Jarvan, Nunu Hai -> Zed(x4),Khaz,Kennen(x2), Jayce(x4), Twisted Fate(x3), Lissandra Balls -> Elise(x2),Rumble(x5),Ryze(x4),Kennen(x3), Jayce, Sneaky ->Draven(x6), Ez(x6), Jayce, Ashe(x2) Lemon ->Thresh(x6), Sona(x2), Lulu(x3), Janna(x2) Zyra(x2) If you want to argue that C9 don't have pocket champs that are truly world class you can make that argument, but no one on C9 has a particularly shallow champion pool, the meta just shifted away from Hai's best champs, which is something that happens. Why did you specifically pull stats from only the first 15 games which is on a different patch that doesn't have any baring to the argument presented? An informed person might actually people you presented evidence to rebuke his claim when your final statement is actually supporting it contrary to what the evidence says at first glance. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On September 29 2013 18:11 niukasu1990 wrote: Summary of Royal Interview White: Xpeke was overhyped, Faker and Cool are two best mid in the world, they are better than white. Godlike and White: All of us performed so bad(miss almost every taunt stun and kayle ult), Uzi carry so hard White: If we still played on this level, we don't need to go to final, we could just go home. White tweets: When other mid player did not play well, they were underperform; When I did not do well, I was criticized that I was a noob. being white has its advantages | ||
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