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On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games.
I think we also have to look at the picks. Like in game 4, Fnatic's comp was just a better team fighting comp. But it also gave them a weaker laning phase (Leona). Of course, I am not saying Fnatic isn't a better team fighting team or Royal is better at laning. But I think some of the difference/gap depends on the draft/comp as well.
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On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games.
for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games.
And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either.
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On September 29 2013 22:25 jalen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 18:14 UmberBane wrote:On September 29 2013 17:49 jalen wrote:
LOL, everyone on TL scare of Koreans because of starcraft. Korean is not that good as they are in RTS.
Well, Koreans are the best in general as far as eSports goes if they seriously care about a game, that's a widely accepted fact.  Also Royal stated in every interview so far that SKT has completely been stomping them in the scrims they had for Ro8 and Ro4. There are many reasons why SKT are the favourites and it's definitely not only the old "SC hype" that carried over. Royal has a fair shot of course, but you shouldn't be surprised that many people would put their money on SKT. Koreans are not good teamplay, thats why they fail in dota and fps.
Lol at mentioning Korean dota, what a pointless comparison on so many levels. This seems futile, but I'll just let you know that there are many very knowledgeable eSports figures out there who say that Koreans just straight up will become the best if they really care about a game. Even 2GD admitted that just a couple of weeks ago. And as you should surely know, top Korean LoL teams are very good at teamplay. He even said that they would have become the best in CS if they gave a shit about it.
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umm, fnatic vs royal was a really nice series, 2 pretty one-sided games but both played out nicely and two very close games that royal just closed out so nicely. Really like the dynamic of the series with fnatic having to compensate in teamfights for their duo lane and mid lane getting destroyed so hard that staying in laning phase meant an automatic loss (like in game 2 or was it game 1?).
Pity that fnatic lost, but it was actually already crazy that the series felt so close when xpeke and puszu/yellowstar were getting outlaned so hard. Really weird to see puszu play so nicely in the teamfights, the terrible laning made you forget that hes actually a very good player and did so good during the rest of the tournament. It was hard to follow the laning dynamic, but if such a good player gets out-csed so completely uzi/tabe must be crazy laners. Xpeke it seems was not really in his form and took a lot of risks with his picks it seems, I'm not good enough with bans/picks to really see what they gained from picking their mid first a few times.
Looking forward to the final, too bad that its not tonight hehe, wont be able to watch it live next weekend :-( No idea what to expect from it TBH, I dont believe in the A beat B and C beat A so C beats B analyses at all and matching up teams that are at such a high level is just very difficult, the smallest thing can turn a series around.
The LR thread was again some of the biggest crap I've ever read though (again). Overall level of the LR threads this WC is just so depressing hehe, it seems like 90% of the people here expect this completely impossible combination of totally flawless play with a fast-paced action-filled game.
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On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either.
I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble (if I reckon well), and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ?
Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg.
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On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble (if I reckon well), and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg.
Hard to win the vision war when you are almost always behind on turrets and hence map control.
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On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble, and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg.
sOAZ never really lost it either, so we are comparing right ? How was Godlike the better of the 2 when laning was very equel yet sOAZ had way more presence in team fights ? Imo sOAZ played his role alot better as a whole.
And yes Yellowstar did lose the warding war because of the agression Uzi and Tabe managed to put up, Fnatic never had a shot to ward savely. I might have been slightly possitive there on my words.
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On September 29 2013 22:43 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble (if I reckon well), and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg. Hard to win the vision war when you are almost always behind on turrets and hence map control.
Even when fnatic was winning : look game 4, they had a complete advantage, and royal still warded all over the map.
Tabe was still contesting the river to kill fnatic's wards and put his own instead, and in the end it is what made royal came back and win the game (they picked jarvan alone and killed him, then won a team fight).
On September 29 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble, and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg. sOAZ never really lost it either, so we are comparing right ? How was Godlike the better of the 2 when laning was very equel yet sOAZ had way more presence in team fights ? Imo sOAZ played his role alot better as a whole.
True, except for game 1.
Don't misunderstand me, fnatic are impressive and imo they played better than Royal as a team (that play on game 3 between their towers was so brilliant).
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On September 29 2013 18:56 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 18:54 Lylat wrote:On September 29 2013 18:34 UmberBane wrote:On September 29 2013 18:23 Lylat wrote:
I wanted to post on the semifinal thread but it's already been closed (wtf?)
I just saw Cyanide post on Facebook and wondered why does he repetitively say that they're better individually when every lane got stomped every game (except for top) ?
Maybe he and Soaz are better but the rest of Fnatic got outclassed, xPeke included (what a bad series for him I'm still sad) That's really strange of him to say that, since I'd actually say it's the exact opposite. They played a lot better in teamfights and overall map movement and all that stuff, which showed by the way they were constantly picking up kills and winning fights, but got severely outclassed during the laning phase. Haha new Cyanide post : "Hm seems that a lot of people disagree with me when i said we were better individually, i didnt actually check the farm of the lanes too much however i felt like we had a strong early all games expect the first which normally means lanes are winning. Maybe it was just from my perspective as i was kinda fed most of the games so we had good control. I would have to watch the games (which i will) to know for sure." Didn't check farm too much lol. From what he saw in tf, whitezz performed terribly. Thats cos he doesn't know how to play those champs. (DW he still dumpstered xPeke in lane)
whites lost on gragas, performed poorly on kayle, missed a bunch of orianna ults and i remember a pretty bad gragas ult against puzu. headsup, he did win in cs twice with orianna in matchups he was supposed to win in cs.
dumpstered is a strong word.
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By the way, I really liked that double jungle into duo bot opening that Royal did to answer the 2v1 lane. That seems like something we could be seeing more frequently in a 2v1 setup.
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On September 29 2013 22:47 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 18:56 cascades wrote:On September 29 2013 18:54 Lylat wrote:On September 29 2013 18:34 UmberBane wrote:On September 29 2013 18:23 Lylat wrote:
I wanted to post on the semifinal thread but it's already been closed (wtf?)
I just saw Cyanide post on Facebook and wondered why does he repetitively say that they're better individually when every lane got stomped every game (except for top) ?
Maybe he and Soaz are better but the rest of Fnatic got outclassed, xPeke included (what a bad series for him I'm still sad) That's really strange of him to say that, since I'd actually say it's the exact opposite. They played a lot better in teamfights and overall map movement and all that stuff, which showed by the way they were constantly picking up kills and winning fights, but got severely outclassed during the laning phase. Haha new Cyanide post : "Hm seems that a lot of people disagree with me when i said we were better individually, i didnt actually check the farm of the lanes too much however i felt like we had a strong early all games expect the first which normally means lanes are winning. Maybe it was just from my perspective as i was kinda fed most of the games so we had good control. I would have to watch the games (which i will) to know for sure." Didn't check farm too much lol. From what he saw in tf, whitezz performed terribly. Thats cos he doesn't know how to play those champs. (DW he still dumpstered xPeke in lane) whites lost on gragas, performed poorly on kayle, missed a bunch of orianna ults and i remember a pretty bad gragas ult against puzu. headsup, he did win in cs twice with orianna in matchups he was supposed to win in cs. dumpstered is a strong word.
Yes, he had better lane match ups. But he won by a lot more than normal as well for those match ups.
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On September 29 2013 22:47 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:43 Lonyo wrote:On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble (if I reckon well), and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg. Hard to win the vision war when you are almost always behind on turrets and hence map control. Even when fnatic was winning : look game 4, they had a complete advantage, and royal still warded all over the map. Tabe was still contesting the river to kill fnatic's wards and put his own instead, and in the end it is what made royal came back and win the game (they picked jarvan alone and killed him, then won a team fight). Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble, and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg. sOAZ never really lost it either, so we are comparing right ? How was Godlike the better of the 2 when laning was very equel yet sOAZ had way more presence in team fights ? Imo sOAZ played his role alot better as a whole. True, except for game 1. Don't misunderstand me, fnatic are impressive and imo they played better than Royal as a team (that play on game 3 between their towers was so brilliant).
No i know what you mean, and i agree, there team play was fantastic and overall they got destroyed in lane, Royal deserved that finals spot.
I just wanted to note it was not for every position they got outplayed. sOAZ does deserve a bit of note for his play even though it simply was never enough.
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On September 29 2013 22:56 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:47 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:43 Lonyo wrote:On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble (if I reckon well), and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg. Hard to win the vision war when you are almost always behind on turrets and hence map control. Even when fnatic was winning : look game 4, they had a complete advantage, and royal still warded all over the map. Tabe was still contesting the river to kill fnatic's wards and put his own instead, and in the end it is what made royal came back and win the game (they picked jarvan alone and killed him, then won a team fight). On September 29 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble, and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg. sOAZ never really lost it either, so we are comparing right ? How was Godlike the better of the 2 when laning was very equel yet sOAZ had way more presence in team fights ? Imo sOAZ played his role alot better as a whole. True, except for game 1. Don't misunderstand me, fnatic are impressive and imo they played better than Royal as a team (that play on game 3 between their towers was so brilliant). No i know what you mean, and i agree, there team play was fantastic and overall they got destroyed in lane, Royal deserved that finals spot. I just wanted to note it was not for every position they got outplayed. sOAZ does deserve a bit of note for his play even though it simply was never enough.
Royal won bot lane and mid, while Fnatic won jungle and top. (and by won top I mean they generally broke even in lane)
Unfortunately Royal's strength is in the bot lane so that's really all they needed.
As for the "brilliant" play, it was af ucking obvious one when you have 4 people around your double golems and see "oh wait they're diving to our second turret with 3 maybe we should kill them".... It's an easy decision. It doesn't matter how well you play as a team if you always come out of lane phase behind against world class teams, it turns out.
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On September 29 2013 23:10 las91 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 22:56 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 22:47 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:43 Lonyo wrote:On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble (if I reckon well), and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg. Hard to win the vision war when you are almost always behind on turrets and hence map control. Even when fnatic was winning : look game 4, they had a complete advantage, and royal still warded all over the map. Tabe was still contesting the river to kill fnatic's wards and put his own instead, and in the end it is what made royal came back and win the game (they picked jarvan alone and killed him, then won a team fight). On September 29 2013 22:45 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 22:38 WhiteDog wrote:On September 29 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote:On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games. for most i would agree appart from 2 players sOAZ who played better then Godlike. Kept up in farm if not ahead, had fantastic engages and ults and carried most of Fnatic during the close games. And Yellowstar who's MVP of Fnatic at worlds in my book, not only did he improve greatly as a support but his warding and possitioning have been fantastic. Maybe he did not play better then Tabe, but i felt he did not worse either. I agree that yellowstar is a great support, and soaz played pretty good but : soaz never really won his lane aside from the time he played rumble, and don't you think yellowstar completly lost the "vision war" ? Royal's vision and warding was out of control omg. sOAZ never really lost it either, so we are comparing right ? How was Godlike the better of the 2 when laning was very equel yet sOAZ had way more presence in team fights ? Imo sOAZ played his role alot better as a whole. True, except for game 1. Don't misunderstand me, fnatic are impressive and imo they played better than Royal as a team (that play on game 3 between their towers was so brilliant). No i know what you mean, and i agree, there team play was fantastic and overall they got destroyed in lane, Royal deserved that finals spot. I just wanted to note it was not for every position they got outplayed. sOAZ does deserve a bit of note for his play even though it simply was never enough. Royal won bot lane and mid, while Fnatic won jungle and top. (and by won top I mean they generally broke even in lane) Unfortunately Royal's strength is in the bot lane so that's really all they needed. As for the "brilliant" play, it was af ucking obvious one when you have 4 people around your double golems and see "oh wait they're diving to our second turret with 3 maybe we should kill them".... It's an easy decision. It doesn't matter how well you play as a team if you always come out of lane phase behind against world class teams, it turns out.
Must be why we see these kinds of bate play's so often.
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The "brilliant" play he's talking about was nowhere near double golems. It was the play between their two outer turrets in mid lane.
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On September 29 2013 23:55 Nemireck wrote:
The "brilliant" play he's talking about was nowhere near double golems. It was the play between their two outer turrets in mid lane.
With Multi members of Fnatic being very low. 99% of the teams would recall in that situation. By no means an "easy" descision, that was the play of the entire series.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
soaz was never crushing godlike in teh way peke and puszu got crushed in lane
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On September 29 2013 18:22 niukasu1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 18:19 scrubtastic wrote:
Think it'll be SKT 3-2.
Both teams are great at closing out games with a lead, both teams have a good laning phase and their mechanics are solid. You won't see a massive kill lead with one team into loss like Fnatic. Expecting one sub-20 min inhibitor at least
To contrast with the SKT strengths, here's why I'm not going to count out Royal just yet.
-SKT got caught offguard by the anti-Ahri strats. Royal might gain a win or two by pulling something unfamiliar to SKT and of course taking advantage of SKT's weak game 1.
-Royal were (IMO) also disrespecting Fnatic; they will probably try and play tighter against SKT. I thought they looked stronger against OMG
-Bengi seems to slack off with jungler combat items (and this leads to a jungler that's weak in teamfights)
-I think Royal bot lane has a decent chance of winning against SKT bot lane
-Royal L1 strats are good...right? I dont think so, based on their performance today, SKT can 3:0 Royal easily
I think you forget that SKT sucks at game 1's.
If Royal gets blue side, they can easily win Game 1 from SKT.
On September 29 2013 21:54 WhiteDog wrote:
Imo fnatic proved itself to be a superior team fight oriented team, with weaker laning and weaker objective control than Royal.
That is the reason why Cyanide actually think fnatic is better individually, while they clearly are not : they were so dominant in team fight, just look at the score, that it blinded him from what permitted royal to win those games.
I disagree, I think fnatic is superior at catching teams at bad angles. A lot of the full on 5v5 teamfights, they went pretty even.
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Haha yeah SKT almost always loses their first game, that's actually true.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
well, the qualification for 'great team' is to take game 1 off of t1. the likes of jinair or frost never even made it that far
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