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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 16 2013 18:44 Itsmedudeman wrote: The bot lane is a losing lane on paper. Being 10 cs down is not the biggest deal in the world. The only way vayne zyra beats Kogmaw sona is if they all in at level 2 before sona has heal which they tried but failed. The best Ozone can do is just farm there and hope vayne gets bigger and kogmaw gets punished later on. This is fine as long as your mid isn't getting snowballed on because it is still possible to contest dragons. Dandy was at fault for this play too. They kept chasing eve while waiting on Jarvan's cooldowns and got killed for it. Dade made no attempts to juke ahri's skill shots and just completely forgot about her and tunnel visioned. What really screwed ozone over was the fact that dandy expected Diamond to get a gank onto shen several times that simply never happened. I think this is a smart move by Diamond because it was really odd just how aggressively singed was pushing that lane with an Eve on the map and even getting a gank off onto singed wouldn't really snowball the lane in favor of shen. I think it was mainly due to how good (and confident) Darien was on Shen. And he showed it too, being able to stay above Looper in cs and basically winning a counter lane without any jungle presence. Though, I believe that Ozone was trying to mind-game Gambit into giving up Shen and taking it for themselves. They probably expected them to fear FPing Shen after seeing the domination from Looper vs Vulcan's Shen. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 16 2013 21:07 Inflicted_ wrote: I think it was mainly due to how good (and confident) Darien was on Shen. And he showed it too, being able to stay above Looper in cs and basically winning a counter lane without any jungle presence. Though, I believe that Ozone was trying to mind-game Gambit into giving up Shen and taking it for themselves. They probably expected them to fear FPing Shen after seeing the domination from Looper vs Vulcan's Shen. Yes, that's definitely what they were doing. Not sure it's worth it though. Darien didn't impress me that much in lane. Especially on that side where singed can't proxy or it's super risky. I don't see how it's a counter matchup though at this level. Seems like they just trade farm. Psycho sid went spirit visage first which I think was a mistake compared to dariens fast sunfire. Gambit had a perfect game plan against the singed which was to just blow him up with DFGs and lots of magic damage from 3 sources. But again, I don't see what they get by giving up the shen in bans/picks. I dunno if I'd consider singed a better pick than shen, especially considering it ruins any 2v1 lane possibility and if they get it then your singed is absolutely screwed. MVP got Vayne and Zyra in exchange for it which aren't really high priority picks plus alex got ahri. So that's basically 2 tier 1 picks for not much at all. | ||
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fcgog
United Kingdom876 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
suck it everyone else. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
maybe we will get some big upsets and one korean team doesnt even finish top 2? | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On September 16 2013 21:59 AsnSensation wrote: "feeder Darien" #1 in KDA rankings after Day 1. No. My fantasy! I was hoping he would feed. | ||
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
On September 16 2013 22:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: didnt watch all the games, but apparently koreans arent anywhere near as good as it was said? maybe we will get some big upsets and one korean team doesnt even finish top 2? In Group B, Gambit dismantled Ozone in a game marked by shoddy play from dade and mata. In Group A, OMG took a massive early lead (double buff and double kill on their corki + top tower down within the first few minion waves) against SKT and rode it to a win, but SKT still looked like a very strong team and played respectably given their awful start. Faker in particular was making plays all game, and on OMG's side Lovelin also posted an impressive performance. While Ozone and SKT fell behind early in their other matches against Vulcun and Lemondogs, respectively, they outclassed the LCS players in the midgame and beyond with sharper rotations, better vision control, and superior teamfight execution. Ozone will need to significantly step up their game to match their hype, but SKT seems to be the real deal from their first two games, which is admittedly a very small sample. It was known coming into Worlds that the Chinese representatives can beat the Koreans, so the only real surprise is Ozone falling to Gambit. The Koreans are still the region to beat, and I would be surprised if they are not represented in the top 2, but the rest of the world (apart from China, which was already seen as competitive) looks to have a better chance of unseating them than many would have guessed two days ago. | ||
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Vequeth
United Kingdom1116 Posts
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skykh
3006 Posts
I will not suprised if gambit lose to vulcun. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 16 2013 22:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: didnt watch all the games, but apparently koreans arent anywhere near as good as it was said? maybe we will get some big upsets and one korean team doesnt even finish top 2? Most definitely one korean team wont finish top 2. + Show Spoiler + 3 korean teams at worlds, how many teams are in the top 2? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 16 2013 22:12 The_Red_Viper wrote: didnt watch all the games, but apparently koreans arent anywhere near as good as it was said? maybe we will get some big upsets and one korean team doesnt even finish top 2? they are quite clearly still very good, but face genuine problems that require reworking their comfortable strategies that got exposed by prepared teams/new patch. ozone in particular seemed to not take the games with much urgency. t1 is in a different spot. they need to understand that their standard approach is very studied against, and optimization against all possibilities isn't the best move now. they'll have to come up with some strats of their own. basically look for their second game against OMG too see what they are up to. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Vulcun, in particular Zuna, really impressed. A few adjustments might see them taking their second game off Ozone. I really, really, really regret putting Tgee on my fantasy team. TSM looks like they're playing with a TON of nerves. Will be interesting to see the SKT T1 game. Never count out Gambit at a LAN event. Fnatic and Ozone looked asleep yesterday, what happened to them? OMG stepped it up against SKT, but I still don't see them making 1st in the group, they were too shaky against TSM. GG.eu definitely a level below all other teams, they look like a challenger circuit NA team. dade's hair is glorious. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Group B up in the air after gambit took a game off ozone. They had 1 hard game 1 easy game so you can't really say they lead the group. Obviously both vulcan and fnatic are capable of taking a game off of gambit so the next few days will be interesting. | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 16 2013 23:17 glzElectromaster wrote: Most definitely one korean team wont finish top 2. + Show Spoiler + 3 korean teams at worlds, how many teams are in the top 2? i meant for each group, sry if that wasnt clear :D | ||
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