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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
As for nobody underestimating how bad Ryze is right now, I think that's just nonsense. Pro teams always find ways to surprise us and show us new champions or new ways to use champions in a successful fashion. Furthermore, in theory the Ryze pick versus Ahri makes sense, so it's not outlandish to think it would work. Dade died only once 1v1 in the game against Vulcun and rarely thereafter. Versus Gambit he was picked on a bit more but still went even in CS ; He was not the main reason SSO lost. Imp and Mata were what cost SSO the game versus gambit by getting annihilated in lane and drawing enormous pressure from the rest of the team. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 16 2013 17:48 Pantagruel wrote: Voidle did hit some fantastic crescendo's today, he definitely was a big factor in the game versus SSO. As for nobody underestimating how bad Ryze is right now, I think that's just nonsense. Pro teams always find ways to surprise us and show us new champions or new ways to use champions in a successful fashion. Furthermore, in theory the Ryze pick versus Ahri makes sense, so it's not outlandish to think it would work. Dade died only once 1v1 in the game against Vulcun and rarely thereafter. Versus Gambit he was picked on a bit more but still went even in CS ; He was not the main reason SSO lost. Imp and Mata were what cost SSO the game versus gambit by getting annihilated in lane and drawing enormous pressure from the rest of the team. But I think Dade was only even on CS because Alex just started roaming while Dade just had to stay in lane to farm up. That put a lot of pressure on Dandy to help with defending against Alex and made him underfarmed all game. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
Also, rewinding back to the start of the match: On September 16 2013 14:50 Zdrastochye wrote: Genja isn't on board the TF on every adc train. Unless he goes TF Kog, which he won't. Attempting to foresee Genja's builds makes fools of us all, etc. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
Doors was suppose to be open at 5:00, showtime was at 5:00. Got there at 4:45 and didn't get in till past 6:00 due to delays. Quite disappointed. But the crowd was amazing, nice studio, nice set up. OGN crew only got a small corner to do interviews/rest. OGN interview girl/Chobra was sitting there bored 90% of the time, quite rude tbh. But Riot staff was extremely interactive with live attendees, pretty cool employees. Met Travis, DID A SMALL INTERVIEW WITH TRAVIS!!! Met Riot NickAllen, a bunch of other rioters. SOME PICS I TOOOK!!!! Mata's pics turned out supper blurry  + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GHjbLhfh.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2YvYzfvh.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F7QLVK6h.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RIvPz8Ch.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vykYTPnh.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Hwsief8h.jpg) | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On September 16 2013 18:08 vthree wrote: But I think Dade was only even on CS because Alex just started roaming while Dade just had to stay in lane to farm up. That put a lot of pressure on Dandy to help with defending against Alex and made him underfarmed all game. In part that may be true. Alex was able to increase pressure on other lanes due to his roaming since Dade couldn't keep up on the Ryze pick. Still, people act like Dade was feeding hard which wasn't really the case, he just got off to a bad start in both games which made him invisible for large portions of the game. Obviously this isn't ideal and Dade was certainly 'one' of the reasons they lost. I just think their bot lane was even more suspect and really the achilles heel of the team. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
OMG - Showing that they are ready for the Koreans, but I am not too sure about best of series. SKTT1 - Just as expected LD - I think they can definitely take a game of OMG if they work on some of their mid transition. Gambit - Really stepped it up. Looking strong. But may have trouble vs Fnatic when on their A game. Ozone - Clearly they have some issues atm. Dade, lolwtf. Mentalblock OP Fnatic - They always pick something retarded and struggle. Just hope they don't act braindead, and work out their picking phase and bring out their specific style that everyone is scared of. Vulcan - Really impressed. Honestly. Mancloud, and Xmithie doing work. Sid hasn't had a chance to shine yet. But I do think might trouble Gambit if Gambit aren't serious. Overall things look really good. Oh the analyst desk was really fun. Could tell Krepo was nervous at first. More banter pls. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The Twitch VoD stutters right at 8:00:00, when the first blood occurs, so we actually miss it. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 16 2013 18:20 Pantagruel wrote: In part that may be true. Alex was able to increase pressure on other lanes due to his roaming since Dade couldn't keep up on the Ryze pick. Still, people act like Dade was feeding hard which wasn't really the case, he just got off to a bad start in both games which made him invisible for large portions of the game. Obviously this isn't ideal and Dade was certainly 'one' of the reasons they lost. I just think their bot lane was even more suspect and really the achilles heel of the team. On one hand it's just 1 kill, but on the other hand it's 1 kill and loss of map control. Mid lane is such a big part of controlling dragon and the jungle area around there that if you get snowballed on you lose a lot from it. Oh, and surprise, ahri is one of the hardest snowballing champions in the game right now who can get a free kill on you pretty easily at 6 with the jungler if you fall behind. In BOTH games vulcan and Gambit got free dragons because of that one kill. Although in game 2 it was 2 kills because dade fed right after he got back to lane again. You simply cannot give early kills to ahri. If the other mid tries to roam bot ahri can just ult charm and destroy you. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 16 2013 18:24 Alaric wrote: Dammit Vulcun vs Fnatic. + Show Spoiler + The Twitch VoD stutters right at 8:00:00, when the first blood occurs, so we actually miss it. Man I was fine with this terribad eu schedule when it was going to be one sided groups but now I'm so sad missed the games. Sigh riotpls | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On September 16 2013 18:25 Itsmedudeman wrote: On one hand it's just 1 kill, but on the other hand it's 1 kill and loss of map control. Mid lane is such a big part of controlling dragon and the jungle area around there that if you get snowballed on you lose a lot from it. Oh, and surprise, ahri is one of the hardest snowballing champions in the game right now who can get a free kill on you pretty easily at 6 with the jungler if you fall behind. In BOTH games vulcan and Gambit got free dragons because of that one kill. Although in game 2 it was 2 kills because dade fed right after he got back to lane again. You simply cannot give early kills to ahri. If the other mid tries to roam bot ahri can just ult charm and destroy you. That may be true, the fact that Dade lost lane did lead to some objectives like dragon and some roam from Ahri early on, but aside from the one kill Dade was actually winning duels in the midlane throughout the game. I'm not going to pretend Dade had a stellar game or anything, but he wasn't the biggest reason that SSO lost to Gambit. Again it was Imp and Mata losing their lane in a bad way despite the support they got from Dandy and Looper. The bot lane was where all the big fights went down aside from first blood, and it was because SSO was at risk of getting snowballed down there. SSO constantly needed to relieve pressure from the bot lane and it took too much of the team's resources to do so, thats why they lost. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 16 2013 18:37 Pantagruel wrote: That may be true, the fact that Dade lost lane did lead to some objectives like dragon and some roam from Ahri early on, but aside from the one kill Dade was actually winning duels in the midlane throughout the game. I'm not going to pretend Dade had a stellar game or anything, but he wasn't the biggest reason that SSO lost to Gambit. Again it was Imp and Mata losing their lane in a bad way despite the support they got from Dandy and Looper. The bot lane was where all the big fights went down aside from first blood, and it was because SSO was at risk of getting snowballed down there. SSO constantly needed to relieve pressure from the bot lane and it took too much of the team's resources to do so, thats why they lost. The bot lane is a losing lane on paper. Being 10 cs down is not the biggest deal in the world. The only way vayne zyra beats Kogmaw sona is if they all in at level 2 before sona has heal which they tried but failed. The best Ozone can do is just farm there and hope vayne gets bigger and kogmaw gets punished later on. This is fine as long as your mid isn't getting snowballed on because it is still possible to contest dragons. Dandy was at fault for this play too. They kept chasing eve while waiting on Jarvan's cooldowns and got killed for it. Dade made no attempts to juke ahri's skill shots and just completely forgot about her and tunnel visioned. What really screwed ozone over was the fact that dandy expected Diamond to get a gank onto shen several times that simply never happened. I think this is a smart move by Diamond because it was really odd just how aggressively singed was pushing that lane with an Eve on the map and even getting a gank off onto singed wouldn't really snowball the lane in favor of shen. | ||
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IMoperator
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 16 2013 19:03 mr_tolkien wrote: Vayne never get bigs against a strong short-range mobile nuking combo. Ahri+Eve pretty much guaranteed Vayne would be a non-issue if she didn't rush Banshee. Which would have made her more of a non issue :D Um, don't see how ahri and eve are big threats to vayne. Biggest threat is shen by far and was that game. Ahri cannot assassinate vayne because of ryze and neither can evelynn unless she catches them by surprise. Both vayne and kogmaw have pretty big carry potential but I think vayne is generally regarded as a lot safer, especially against a singed. Trinity force and 2 dfgs proved that wrong though. On September 16 2013 19:09 Pantagruel wrote: It was more then being down 15-20 cs in lane though, it was all about the pressure it drew away from other spots on the map. If the SSO Bot lane didnt receive the support it got the tower would have dropped way earlier and they probably would have been killed as well. It didn't help that Mata donated a kill to Genja as well. Furthermore, the bot lane was probably the place SSO had the biggest advantage on paper but they didn't deliver. The underperformed and they will need to improve if SSO wants to really contend. I think you're wrong on this because they didn't try to support that lane until a LOT later when dragons were vital and Ozone just needed to make plays happen. This wasn't so much that the lane needed to be helped but rather that they needed to make plays to get back into the game. Plays won't happen on shen (and if they do they'll lose a dragon and tower) and plays won't happen on ahri after you feed her 3 kills and she hits 6. Had mid been even and not given up a 2 kill edge + dragon at this point then they'd be able to have more control. Dade and dandy made a risky play and got an equally devastating outcome. Perhaps I'm wrong when I say ryze is a terrible pick against ahri because in theory if you go even for 20 minutes with no kills then ryze can dish out some damage, but it was absolutely huge that they gave up kills like that. | ||
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RealQ
1120 Posts
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
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koziol
Poland768 Posts
btw. I dont really like Puszus Cait, Idk if Varus was a better pick (especially vs Nasus) but atleast he has nice CC. Also that Yoric, SOaz so good on Zac/Else/Kennen - why not go top with those? >< Kogmaw trinity force - well thats Genja. they actually beat in lane Koreans so either it genious or good luck (+some ganks from eve and mid  )today times are soo good for europe, really. 3 am? 4 am? Monday? who cares we will be watch for sure. btw. How many ppl were watching those games? I saw 450k at LD vs SKT then like 200k at 2 am CSET (OMG vs SKT) - only twitch data, and so the European crowd is quite big. | ||
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