|
|
On September 16 2013 22:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
didnt watch all the games, but apparently koreans arent anywhere near as good as it was said?
maybe we will get some big upsets and one korean team doesnt even finish top 2?
It's kind of silly to say they aren't "anywhere near as good" because they dropped 1 game againts the strongest team in his group.
Both korean teams will probably get out of groups without much more trouble and then the real test will begin
|
Looking at the score board to determine whether a team's good is kind of stupid in this sense, a bo1 gives a shallow representation of a team's ability at best. OMG's incredibly aggressive early play against SKT is not something Koreans see or do often if at all, and SKT was clearly caught off guard. Not to take anything away from OMG, since Lovelin is a man's man's man and took control of SKT's control from lvl3 onwards, you can still see how SKT held on to the slightest slack OMG gave them (by that I mean Faker put his team on his back and went Atlas mode).
As a poster above has said, SKT and Ozone went up against Lemondogs and Vulcun respectively, and while ceding the early game advantage, both teams took the game over the moment laning phase ended and teamfights broke out. This will be a good wake up call for the Korean teams as they have now seen the kind of things they'll have to deal with in this tournament. SKT and Ozone are both incredibly strong teams, but by the looks of day 1, we have a real tournament in our hands.
|
On September 16 2013 22:23 HeroHenry wrote:
Anyone else want to see GG.eu vs Min just to see who is worst?
These are amateur teams ... really ? what did you expect.
|
Don't put too much thought into two bo1 game per team.
We've seen that early advantage (omg vs ozone, vulcun vs fnatic, gambit vs ozone) that is sometimes random played a big role here.
|
On September 16 2013 23:56 Thurken wrote:
Don't put too much thought into two bo1 game per team.
We've seen that early advantage (omg vs ozone, vulcun vs fnatic, gambit vs ozone) that is sometimes random played a big role here.
Apparently OMG's known for their aggressive early game, although there are others who can speak better on the subject than I can. From the few games I watched they do like to play rather aggro and end games early in the LPL, although I felt that's like all the teams in LPL
|
On September 17 2013 00:00 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 23:56 Thurken wrote:
Don't put too much thought into two bo1 game per team.
We've seen that early advantage (omg vs ozone, vulcun vs fnatic, gambit vs ozone) that is sometimes random played a big role here. Apparently OMG's known for their aggressive early game, although there are others who can speak better on the subject than I can. From the few games I watched they do like to play rather aggro and end games early in the LPL, although I felt that's like all the teams in LPL
Prity much the same in season 2 aswell. WE was crazy agressive to, seems very Chinese.
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
a huge part of the korean hype and predictions of crushing victories is due to their laning strength and early game. they had a fast lane pressure game that translated lane pressure into tower kills into more rotations to get winning fights and objectives. it's like a machine. but as shown in the first day, the first chain of thsi machine is broken, and that's a huge huge problem
|
On September 16 2013 23:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Doesn't feel like lemondogs or TSM are really threatening to SKT and OMG atm. If lemondogs and TSM go 1-1 against each other that will be bad for them and essentially would give a big buffer to SKT and OMG going through.
Group B up in the air after gambit took a game off ozone. They had 1 hard game 1 easy game so you can't really say they lead the group. Obviously both vulcan and fnatic are capable of taking a game off of gambit so the next few days will be interesting.
yeah as much as we like to have our little banter when it comes to NA vs EU, for Group A OMG and SkT look like the clear favourites. Cannot wait for Game 2 of Faker vs Cool.
|
I still don't count out LD in group A. I think their playstyle goes well versus OMG's.
|
I don't think SKT losing to OMG is that surprising. All of the top Chines teams are very, very good. I've enjoyed LPL more than OGN since the CJ teams started faltering. I wouldn't say either region's best is convincingly better than the others. If you asked me 3 months ago who would win worlds I would say IG (oh well...)
But Ozone is my personal favorite Korean team at worlds and I was surprised to see them struggle and lose vs Gambit. I didn't expect Ozone or SKT to lose to a Western team other than C9.
It does reinforce how I have felt for months and months, the Korean teams are incredible and have more top teams than any other region with a strong meta and really good coaches/drafting/research. But they aren't much/any better than the top Chinese teams (still up to be proven) and not as far ahead of NA/EU as OGN fanboys would want you to think.
We probably have our group winners at this point (OMG and SKT, GG and Ozone) unless TSM can upset SKT or Vulcun can run the Gam[bi]t.
|
On September 16 2013 23:45 Spaiku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 22:12 The_Red_Viper wrote:
didnt watch all the games, but apparently koreans arent anywhere near as good as it was said?
maybe we will get some big upsets and one korean team doesnt even finish top 2? It's kind of silly to say they aren't "anywhere near as good" because they dropped 1 game againts the strongest team in his group. Both korean teams will probably get out of groups without much more trouble and then the real test will begin
They aren't as good as was expected. It's no big deal, they were just overhyped a bit. Their skill level really doesn't seem to be as high as large chunks of the community thought. They're still really good though, they'll still make it out of groups. Personally SKT is still my favorite team to win it all (Ozone is still a good second choice assuming Dade can step it up).
On September 17 2013 00:00 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 23:56 Thurken wrote:
Don't put too much thought into two bo1 game per team.
We've seen that early advantage (omg vs ozone, vulcun vs fnatic, gambit vs ozone) that is sometimes random played a big role here. Apparently OMG's known for their aggressive early game, although there are others who can speak better on the subject than I can. From the few games I watched they do like to play rather aggro and end games early in the LPL, although I felt that's like all the teams in LPL
I hope they don't let me down but Royal Club's games in quarters are going to be pretty entertaining. RC is aggression to an extreme.
Aside from OMG winning the big news was how bad Cool's Orianna (his best champion) looked against Faker's Gragas (a champ he's not really known for).
|
On September 17 2013 00:19 LaM wrote:
I don't think SKT losing to OMG is that surprising. All of the top Chines teams are very, very good. I've enjoyed LPL more than OGN since the CJ teams started faltering. I wouldn't say either region's best is convincingly better than the others. If you asked me 3 months ago who would win worlds I would say IG (oh well...)
But Ozone is my personal favorite Korean team at worlds and I was surprised to see them struggle and lose vs Gambit. I didn't expect Ozone or SKT to lose to a Western team other than C9.
It does reinforce how I have felt for months and months, the Korean teams are incredible and have more top teams than any other region with a strong meta and really good coaches/drafting/research. But they aren't much/any better than the top Chinese teams (still up to be proven) and not as far ahead of NA/EU as OGN fanboys would want you to think.
We probably have our group winners at this point (OMG and SKT, GG and Ozone) unless TSM can upset SKT or Vulcun can run the Gam[bi]t.
I really don't see tsm winning even vs ld considering how they played.The real question is if vulcun are really good or they won that fnatic game just because of the lvl 1(I think they are but not sure).
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
there's skill then there's actually playing the game. any skilled team can be overcome by a team that's 5 or 10% worse, if the strategy is countered, or if they just didn't see a punch coming.
that's why longer series demonstrate skill more, but for a tourney like this that values hype and action over actual skill measurement, overdrawing conclusions from 1 game is probably even encouraged.
|
United States23745 Posts
On September 16 2013 21:28 fcgog wrote:
only gambit's match's are interesting today the other games are going to be stomps
Fnatic v Ozone could be good if Fnatic bring their A game.
|
On September 17 2013 00:40 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 21:28 fcgog wrote:
only gambit's match's are interesting today the other games are going to be stomps Fnatic v Ozone could be good if Fnatic bring their A game.
and Dade continues playing ryze.
On September 17 2013 00:24 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 00:19 LaM wrote:
I don't think SKT losing to OMG is that surprising. All of the top Chines teams are very, very good. I've enjoyed LPL more than OGN since the CJ teams started faltering. I wouldn't say either region's best is convincingly better than the others. If you asked me 3 months ago who would win worlds I would say IG (oh well...)
But Ozone is my personal favorite Korean team at worlds and I was surprised to see them struggle and lose vs Gambit. I didn't expect Ozone or SKT to lose to a Western team other than C9.
It does reinforce how I have felt for months and months, the Korean teams are incredible and have more top teams than any other region with a strong meta and really good coaches/drafting/research. But they aren't much/any better than the top Chinese teams (still up to be proven) and not as far ahead of NA/EU as OGN fanboys would want you to think.
We probably have our group winners at this point (OMG and SKT, GG and Ozone) unless TSM can upset SKT or Vulcun can run the Gam[bi]t. I really don't see tsm winning even vs ld considering how they played.The real question is if vulcun are really good or they won that fnatic game just because of the lvl 1(I think they are but not sure).
Vulcun didn't just win because of level, they won because Xmithie is a fucking god, and that early lead was solely due to superior jungle pressure at level 3. If you watch the OMG v SKT game, Xmithie did the exact same thing Lovelin did against impact, except he didn't get a kill, but warded off Soaz.
|
faker uses flash and ulti to escape all over the map & deals no damage in teamfights.
faker > cool
logic
|
Seriously, wtf did Faker do to Dade?
|
On September 17 2013 00:51 Oomio wrote:
faker uses flash and ulti to escape all over the map & deals no damage in teamfights.
faker > cool
logic
Did you actually watch the game? Faker dumpstered Cool in lane and finished the game like 4/1/xx although they lost.
even Cool said that faker outplayed him and he got carried by his team (mainly lovelin)
|
United States23745 Posts
On September 17 2013 00:51 Seuss wrote:
Seriously, wtf did Faker do to Dade?
Some people just don't recover from getting Faker'd
|
On September 17 2013 00:51 Oomio wrote:
faker uses flash and ulti to escape all over the map & deals no damage in teamfights.
faker > cool
logic
What are you talking about?
Cool even admitted he got fucking wrecked by Faker, and the only reason OMG won was Lovelin is a HAM god.
Faker's gragas plays were fucking godly the entire game.
The only person who probably plays gragas better than faker is mimigas, and that's cuz he's a gragas main.
On September 17 2013 00:52 onlywonderboy wrote:Some people just don't recover from getting Faker'd
I think being lovelin'd is going to be a thing for top laners too.
First Dyrus, then impact, who's next?
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
