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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 17 2013 01:35 TheYango wrote: The gold disparity would not have been as large building a BotRK because Cutlass is an inferior buildup compared to Phage+Zeal. The phage+zeal timing is still when lane is 2v2 though. The biggest deal you were talking about was solo lane kill potential at first big item timing. It's okay to have worse build up if it's a 2v2. | ||
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OneOddOrange
Canada215 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Phage Kog vs. Vamp Vayne lets Kog punish Vayne way harder than Vamp Kog vs. Vamp Vayne, which is where the farm disparity begins to grow. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 17 2013 01:41 TheYango wrote: No, because a bad item buildup turns into a farm disadvantage (or a smaller farm advantage in the case that the lane is already advantaged like Kog+Sona vs. Vayne+Zyra is). Phage Kog vs. Vamp Vayne lets Kog punish Vayne way harder than Vamp Kog vs. Vamp Vayne, which is where the farm disparity begins to grow. Hmm, okay, interesting. I see where you going with this. The sheen part of triforce almost seems like such a huge dump in gold though, without creating a huge advantage. but I guess with new Triforce changes, it makes it okay even on champs like kog. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
with the triforce, the poking and zone potential from kog maw is too great for vayne to freely CS. her only opportunity is to lasthit and heal back up at tower, or simply get kited in small skirmishes. without any built up damage, it is all to easy for kog maw to kite her without any real risk of dying due to his E and summoners unless they land the perfect CC combo. with the pressure in the lane reversed, SGO has even less map control than they would have had otherwise. normally one would expect an ADC player of imp's quality to be able to win that matchup under normal builds, but in this scenario we see genja's theorycraft at work. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 17 2013 00:58 TheYango wrote: OMG's general playstyle is to use Cool+Lovelin to open up the early game aggressively, with the 2 sidelanes as a stable foundation for their early development. Their early game will feel quite aggressive but from there they will typically try to slow-roll their lead. People actually overstate how aggressive OMG is--among the Chinese teams they tend to be among the safer and more conservative teams (iG and Royal are very aggressive, OMG and WE are comparatively conservative, and PE is somewhere in the middle). The main thing about OMG is that as a team they are very good at judging whether or not they can win fights--they will happily take fights they can win and disengage cleanly from fights they can't. So in stompy games it will seem like they are fighting a lot simply because the other team repeatedly gives them fights they know they can win. You're wrong Yango. OMG wins games because Lovelin is a man. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 17 2013 01:47 Navi wrote: as for sheen/tri procs, ult and then auto her with your w up when she gets into range. your W will be up long enough that you can repeat if she is foolish enough to come back. use this combo when creeps are somewhat lasthittable for vayne = denied easy lasthits, free lane pressure Kog's Q is also a really cost-effective nuke + debuff in duels/skirmishes and you get another tf proc out of it -- normally you don't want to fight in that range because of Kog's low mobility but I think with triforce it's way more manageable (also Ozone had a somewhat kiteable low range comp) Genja's performance in lane + teamfights blew my mind that match | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22619 Posts
On September 17 2013 01:44 wei2coolman wrote: Hmm, okay, interesting. I see where you going with this. The sheen part of triforce almost seems like such a huge dump in gold though, without creating a huge advantage. but I guess with new Triforce changes, it makes it okay even on champs like kog. While the Sheen itself does not add much Genja build it as a 3e item so instead of spending Sheen gold on no advantage he spend Sheen + 3 gold on turning phage/zeal into a Triforce which does give him a power spike. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
And any predictions on how fast Mineski vs Ozone will be today? | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
"Dade is the best mid in the world." In comes Faker. Dade regressed to patch 3.7. Who's next?? By the way I wasn't around for the games live, and couldn't find it on search - why is Looper playing instead of Homme? | ||
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Spaiku
Spain1114 Posts
On September 17 2013 02:46 Sandster wrote: "Ambition is the best mid in the world." In comes Dade. "Dade is the best mid in the world." In comes Faker. Who's next?? Reginald | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 17 2013 02:46 Sandster wrote: "Ambition is the best mid in the world." In comes Dade. Ambition regressed to plat. "Dade is the best mid in the world." In comes Faker. Dade regressed to patch 3.7. Who's next?? that's astrology level analysis. faker will stay on top for a bit | ||
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koziol
Poland768 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 17 2013 02:46 Sandster wrote: "Ambition is the best mid in the world." In comes Dade. Ambition regressed to plat. "Dade is the best mid in the world." In comes Faker. Dade regressed to patch 3.7. Who's next?? By the way I wasn't around for the games live, and couldn't find it on search - why is Looper playing instead of Homme? We were talking about this on Team Speak yesterday, most people think Faker will just adjust to the meta better than the other top Mid laners. If you think about it his champion pool is pretty strong. He favors assassins but his Ori is beastly as well. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 17 2013 03:05 onlywonderboy wrote: We were talking about this on Team Speak yesterday, most people think Faker will just adjust to the meta better than the other top Mid laners. If you think about it his champion pool is pretty strong. He favors assassins but his Ori is beastly as well. If you can play aggro and control to the level of Faker, you're pretty much a god. "Flexible champion pool" doesn't even begin to describe him. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On September 17 2013 01:27 overt wrote: Thanks, I didn't know that! Before Chinese regionals it had never lost. At regionals OMG beat it once and lost to it every other time Royal Club ran it. Most teams just ban Annie against Royal Club but idk if international teams will know to do that or not. It's a really strong comp that works really well with the fact that Royal Club plays some damn aggressive. How well would a disengage comp work on them say like C9's Ashe/Zyra? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
EDIT: To clarify, I mean that if Mundo Ez Orianna Jayce Nunu are played, they should be required to use the TPA skins. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On September 17 2013 03:27 ticklishmusic wrote: Watching these games just really wish there was a TPA Orianna skin. :/ The TPA Shen skin was a no brainer for me and the TPA Mundo is great for throwing champion cups in people's faces. It's like beating them over the head with your winner status.  | ||
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