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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:47 Sufficiency wrote: Wait what. in S2, no one expects a second-tier team like TD and CLG Black to beat Dignitas and CLGNA. Sure, they've beaten the "top teams" before in the season, those were bo1's and IMO don't say as much as these bo3's. That's Season 2. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:41 ketchup wrote: The idea is that a new top laner opens up a lot more strategies for CLG. Look at what TSM is doing now with Wildturtle compared to what they were "locked" down with on Chaox(MF all day). Think about what a more versatile player gives a team. It's HUGE. I'm not really commenting on how well or badly hotshotgg did in the whole series. Just saying that teams having different players surprisingly brings different strategy to them. WHOA Undoubtedly Hotshot limits the strategies CLG can utilize. If Hotshot were a world class player, this would be entirely acceptable, but he is not, nor is he anywhere close to being such. The fact is, it doesn't matter, CLG is hotshot's team, and he presumably enjoys playing too much / has a big enough fanbase that it isn't a smart move to retire. Take EG-TL in SC2, they are bottom of the league by a fair margin, yet it doesn't decrease fan support or or streaming / sponsor revenue. At the end of the day, LoL is a job, there is a lot to be said for being 'the best in the world', but there is a lot more to be said for earning an extremely comfortable living doing what you love. As it stands, even if CLG did replace hotshot, and it did somehow make them a world class team, it really wouldn't make tht much of a difference on the financial side of things (unless of course they managed to up their game to the point where they could contend for serious season 3 prizes, which is extremely unlikely). All said and done, the American scene is simply profitable enough, without the need to be the best. Heck, random streamers on twitch get 20k viewers, god knows how much that is worth. On April 27 2013 12:52 Slow Motion wrote: As a Saint fan who used to be a CLG fan before he got kicked, I LOVE the jungle problems CLG is having. Remember CLG could have had the ultimate allstar team of Voyboy, Saint, Jiji/Link, Doublelift, and Chauster. yeah, but that's like saying imagine if Al Gore had won the presidency, there would be no debate surrounding global warming. In that CLG had the resources to employ a team of top class NA players, yes, the situation you described is possible, however, in the real world... well I'm going to save everyone the trouble of reading a long response and just say 'yeah... no'. As I mentioned above... Lol is a job, and there is more to making money than just performing your job well., sponsorships, stream revenue, etc play a major part. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:51 nojitosunrise wrote: who is CLG facing in the promo tournament? The winner of One Trick Ponies (poobear n unstoppable) vs Azure Cats (jiji's team) | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:52 Slow Motion wrote: As a Saint fan who used to be a CLG fan before he got kicked, I LOVE the jungle problems CLG is having. Remember CLG could have had the ultimate allstar team of Voyboy, Saint, Jiji/Link, Doublelift, and Chauster. Given how Curse has been playing this team is less appealing than it used to be. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:50 Ryuu314 wrote: Bottom line, CLG sucks right now and it's not because of any one player. CLG as a whole is playing incredibly mediocre with flashes of brilliance every now and then. Every single player on CLG is terrible compared to their counterparts on other top tier NA teams, not to mention the world. I think Link played well. He has pretty much always played well. Doublelift plays fine, too, and so does aphromoo. It's just that HSGG has no way to win his lane and chauster's performance is questionable. The third game HSGG basically stood there doing nothing at the tower while his team is getting dived. Come on. Also, HSGG is definitely the main problem of the team. He played Malphite 3 times today; each time he pressed R then got ignored by Vulcan, because Malphite basically generates no threats beyond his initial RE combo. It's so easy to outplay Malphite with an ADC /w gap closer and a team to support him. Also it's very easy to read HSGG's moves. | ||
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:50 Ryuu314 wrote: Bottom line, CLG sucks right now and it's not because of any one player. CLG as a whole is playing incredibly mediocre with flashes of brilliance every now and then. Every single player on CLG is terrible compared to their counterparts on other top tier NA teams, not to mention the world. I don't think it's even remotely accurate to say link and doublelift are terrible compared to the top tier NA teams. Individually they are definitely at or near the top (maybe not link). | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
Idk I think CLG needs a shake up somewhere, I thought Aphro would bring it but I guess he got drawn into that CLG protect the adc strat. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:56 Nitan wrote: Given how Curse has been playing this team is less appealing than it used to be. That team isn't Curse, it's Curse with their glaring weakness turned into their biggest strength. Or CLG with their glaring weaknesses turned into strengths depending on how you want to look at it. | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Aphro just isn't a support player and it shows. Chauster is a fucking terrible jungler. He did okay when Lee Sin was super strong, but after all the Lee Sin nerfs he's just not good. HSGG has good games now and then, but his playstyle is just not suited to S3 meta and he hasn't adapted at all. | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On April 27 2013 13:04 upperbound wrote: In what way did Hotshot do well? He lost lane as malphite to irelia without really any jungler presence, not always horribly, but he lost. He often ulted before his team was in position to engage, and predictably no one followed up. He did what Hotshot always does, become thoroughly mediocre, staying relevant because he only plays champs whose job is to soak massive amounts of damage. CLG can never count on him to make a gamechanging play. Sure, he throws less than Doublelift, but he also never makes big plays. He's the kind of player I love having on my solo queue team, but hate having on my 5s team. Why would a "top tier" team want that? Like I said, he didn't lose to solo irelia, there were always 2 or 3 pressuring hotshot top while there was no bear to be seen on the map. Hotshot played well, period. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 27 2013 13:01 Shotcoder wrote: Put Aphro at ADC and bench Dlift. Dlift playing vayne and twitch holds them back just as much as HSGG playing just Malph and Cho. Aphro had a much better champion pool when he played for FeaR than Dlift. He was one of the first players to play Varus, Twitch and Draven and look at where they are now. His MF and EZ are also good mechanically. Idk I think CLG needs a shake up somewhere, I thought Aphro would bring it but I guess he got drawn into that CLG protect the adc strat. lol. I don't think you understand how DL picks came to be. the reason he only plays vayne and twitch, is cuz HSGG, and Chauster, literally for the life of them, couldn't play damage oriented champions to save their dying mothers. | ||
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
On April 27 2013 13:08 Ryuu314 wrote: Maybe calling Link and DL terrible is too much of an exaggeration. But DL hasn't really impressed me lately, but it's entirely possible that it's simply cause CLG as a whole is very bleh atm. Link has great games on occasion, but honestly I can't call him better than Regi/Scarra/Mancould, etc... He's average/equal at best. Aphro just isn't a support player and it shows. Chauster is a fucking terrible jungler. He did okay when Lee Sin was super strong, but after all the Lee Sin nerfs he's just not good. HSGG has good games now and then, but his playstyle is just not suited to S3 meta and he hasn't adapted at all. Yea I agree with most of that. I also think CLG has pretty big mental issues, could be the reason why they usually look really solid while ahead early game but rarely come from behind. They just seem to fall apart and choke if they fall behind early. | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
On April 27 2013 13:10 IshinShishi wrote: Like I said, he didn't lose to solo irelia, there were always 2 or 3 pressuring hotshot top while there was no bear to be seen on the map. Hotshot played well, period. Jarvan was nearly always at the 2v2 lane. He didn't need to pay any attention to top, because Hotshot is a total non-threat. Hotshot had 0 impact on any of the 3 games. I really don't see how he played well. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 27 2013 12:56 Nitan wrote: Given how Curse has been playing this team is less appealing than it used to be. It's alright, I'm a Browns fan, I'm used to disappointment. | ||
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