EPTNot hating on wickd or anything, but people were jumping all over TRM and burning him at the stake for losing the matchup and then some pros go on how irelia is a counter to shyva lane, well clearly not so much!
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
Not hating on wickd or anything, but people were jumping all over TRM and burning him at the stake for losing the matchup and then some pros go on how irelia is a counter to shyva lane, well clearly not so much! | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:21 daemir wrote: Froggen does this, builds HP heavy APs. Anivia's E bit similar to cassio's E allows you to build a lil less AP and more tank. wth is genja saving that ult for? there was like 3 or 4 spots to land it on 4 guys while they couldn't get out of it and he just waiting SV was actually a very clever pick. A significant amount of the enemy's damage was magic (half each of Shyvana and Mundo's damage, Galio + Sona), so MR was useful. CDR translated directly into more damage and faster combos, and health is always useful. The small synergy with WotA was just a bonus. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
Also, I don't know why you guys are complaining about MF or her build. Sivir basically didn't do anything to win that game it was all froggen/wickd killing everyone really. Spirit visage is 15% more heals from soraka, btw. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:32 Redox wrote: When Irelia has same cs compared to Shivanna she should do better in team fights. And that she did... Wickd went 8-0-3 and bought the aura items that helped his teams in these fights. Froggens Anivia was even more important though imo tbh I think froggens build on anivia is too conservative. now don't get me wrong, his mechanics with anivia is really really strong, but the build makes lategame damage out put a lot more minimal, and delays those huge AP items like DC. Also I was interested as why he got spirit visage over warmogs? and why wota over the mejais? (he did warmog/mejais in semifinals) Also, really strong irelia play from wick'd (out of lane). | ||
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Papvin
Denmark612 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
It's amazing how well clg.eu reacts to these pressures. In the first mundo invade on red, anivia does *not* move from mid, and maokai doesn't engage at all. I didn't see if Anivia was close to leveling, but they correctly realized that they were not in a favorable position; maokai cannot win 1v1, and galio will immediately follow anivia and probably win the 2v2 with bulwark and higher damage. Bottom could not help - they were pressed into their tower and a little low, so they would have to run along the bottom and into the golem brush to help, and in doing so mundo would back off and bot lane would lose over an entire creep wave. So maokai patiently waited about 20 seconds for the perfect opportunity. TOO would try to engage, they would lose the 2v2, and would lose the game from there. Not to mention TSM wouldn't ward that area to be in position to engage in the first place. The two encounters in blue, as well as the 5v5 at dragon, are also examples of just how freaking scary this team is because they are so patient and wait for the right opportunity. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:36 wei2coolman wrote: tbh I think froggens build on anivia is too conservative. now don't get me wrong, his mechanics with anivia is really really strong, but the build makes lategame damage out put a lot more minimal, and delays those huge AP items like DC. Also I was interested as why he got spirit visage over warmogs? and why wota over the mejais? (he did warmog/mejais in semifinals) Also, really strong irelia play from wick'd (out of lane). A ton of teams focus on the early game over the mid game so they can snowball as that game showed. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
Bans: Alistar Ryze Anivia Morgana Soraka Sivir Picks: Sona Gangplank Kog'Maw Urgot Lee Sin Janna Rammus Twisted Fate Shyvana Ahri | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:36 Papvin wrote: Is it just me, or did Darien + Diamondprox pretty much cost them the game? Both the engages at 2nd at 3rd blue Darien had terrible positioning, fx. Darien comming in after Alex had used his ult. And I think Diamond's Mundo was too aggressive and didn't realize that Aniva wall destroyed his invades. Really dissapointed by those two, since I think the rest of the team played well. I don't like the mundo pick, it doesn't offer enough damage for such an aggressive invasion focused strategy. And galio/shyvanna aren't really super hard hitters as well, irelia/maokai/anivia, simply did too much damage, and offered more CC, which is important to deal with invasion. they just got out comp'd, at least in terms of invasion strength. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:38 Two_DoWn wrote: TBH the mundo pick wasnt the problem that game. They lost it by running galio. If they had someone like LB or any burst caster then they would have had a lot more early game power. They just didnt have enough damage in the 3v3s. Except lb isn't capable of putting pressure on creeps in the lane so you can counter jungle. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:39 Itsmedudeman wrote: Except lb isn't capable of putting pressure on creeps in the lane so you can counter jungle. ^this, very good point. you can't compromise lane pushing for invasion, the jungler has to be the change, not the mid lane. tbh it was the lack of hard cc that made the invasions suck balls. | ||
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Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 01 2012 03:36 Slayer91 wrote: Spirit visage is 15% more heals from soraka, btw. Spirit Visage hasn't worked that way in ages. It was explicitly changed so that it only works on your personal heals/regen/life steal/spell vamp, not any outside sources. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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