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kepael
Profile Joined July 2011
United States177 Posts
February 01 2012 00:11 GMT
#781
On February 01 2012 09:02 Deman wrote:
Hey guys, just dropped by to say thanks for the feedback and for watching.

I honestly had no clue how this tourney was going to turn out before I clicked the stream button on Friday and myself and Jatt have been pretty blown away by how popular it quickly became. Some awesome matches throughout the tourney topped by an epic final.

Next up, Go4LoL weekly on Sunday.

Great job Deman. I've always loved your commentary, and having Jatt there was just a revelation. He's definitely the commentator that the scene needs(no offense to you at all, I get really sad when your youtube channel has no updates for 3 weeks at a time). The tournament was stellar, and I'm glad we had some great commentary to go with it.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 01 2012 00:12 GMT
#782
Man, Deman+Jatt has been the best casting pair by a landslide. I don't need to really explain i suppose, they speak for themselves hah.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 00:19:22
February 01 2012 00:14 GMT
#783
On February 01 2012 09:02 Deman wrote:
Hey guys, just dropped by to say thanks for the feedback and for watching.

I honestly had no clue how this tourney was going to turn out before I clicked the stream button on Friday and myself and Jatt have been pretty blown away by how popular it quickly became. Some awesome matches throughout the tourney topped by an epic final.

Next up, Go4LoL weekly on Sunday.

Thanks for casting! Glad you remembered our little corner of the Internet
And I just want to say that I really liked your play-by-play and I think that it's gotten a lot better now that you've started channeling the excitement of Korean commentators. Makes the matches much more interesting.


On February 01 2012 08:16 Hemes wrote:
Grand Final VOD
CLG.eu vs M5 Game 1
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.own3d.tv/OGamingTV#/watch/426472


CLG.eu vs M5 Game 2
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.own3d.tv/OGamingTV#/watch/426604


CLG.eu vs M5 Game 3
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.own3d.tv/OGamingTV#/watch/426738
http://www.own3d.tv/OGamingTV#/watch/426767

nice, this should probably be added to the OP
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DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
February 01 2012 02:14 GMT
#784
does solomid.net have the rights to link the VOD's of this tournament throught their site?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1772227
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
February 01 2012 02:24 GMT
#785
On February 01 2012 11:14 DoXa wrote:
does solomid.net have the rights to link the VOD's of this tournament throught their site?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1772227


We don't really know if they asked for permission (probably didn't) but they're just embedding the own3d VOD on their site. Any VOD ads should go back to the KoE channel although solomid.net does gain site ad views that they may not have gotten by doing this.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
February 01 2012 05:17 GMT
#786
Just watched the finals and it was an a great series. Really good play by both teams.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
February 01 2012 11:01 GMT
#787
On February 01 2012 11:24 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:14 DoXa wrote:
does solomid.net have the rights to link the VOD's of this tournament throught their site?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1772227


We don't really know if they asked for permission (probably didn't) but they're just embedding the own3d VOD on their site. Any VOD ads should go back to the KoE channel although solomid.net does gain site ad views that they may not have gotten by doing this.



actually KOE doesn't get ad revenue for the ad playing on the top of the vod before it loads. (it is VERY sneaky and questionable IMO)

I despise the way Solomid has monetized their site, because it allows them to gain a gigantic amount of revenue from just embedding videos that aren't theirs.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
February 01 2012 11:09 GMT
#788
The last game of the finals was the best game Ive seen in a while from a spectator loving esport view. Intense and some great plays. Too bad CLG.eu werent at IEM, but Im glad they are showing they are top EU right now. Great games!
KCCO!
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 18:03:31
February 01 2012 18:03 GMT
#789
On February 01 2012 20:01 nojitosunrise wrote:


I despise the way Solomid has monetized their site, because it allows them to gain a gigantic amount of revenue from just embedding videos that aren't theirs.


They gathered all the links from the owned profile. It is public information gathered. If you dont want to use solomid dont. KoE can remove the owned links if they want to.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 19:34:30
February 01 2012 19:32 GMT
#790
Deman + Jatt, damn what a combo. Great job Deman! Your casts are easy to listen to and quite exciting. Go4LoL Sunday you said?! :D

Bring Jatt here so he can see how much his commentary is appreciated! He's exactly the sort of colour commentary LoL needs. Guy should stop playing and just cast with you full time.
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arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
February 01 2012 19:35 GMT
#791
FYI, VODs from the finals are up on the youtube channel now.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 01 2012 19:43 GMT
#792
On February 02 2012 04:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Deman + Jatt, damn what a combo. Great job Deman! Your casts are easy to listen to and quite exciting. Go4LoL Sunday you said?! :D

Bring Jatt here so he can see how much his commentary is appreciated! He's exactly the sort of colour commentary LoL needs. Guy should stop playing and just cast with you full time.


Jatt already stopped playing basically. Jatt getting picked up to cast at MLG or IEM or whatever this year could help bring even higher record numbers though.
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
February 01 2012 20:11 GMT
#793
On February 01 2012 09:02 Deman wrote:
Hey guys, just dropped by to say thanks for the feedback and for watching.

I honestly had no clue how this tourney was going to turn out before I clicked the stream button on Friday and myself and Jatt have been pretty blown away by how popular it quickly became. Some awesome matches throughout the tourney topped by an epic final.

Next up, Go4LoL weekly on Sunday.

Hey Deman, just wanted to say you are an awesome caster and that tournament was amazing!
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 01 2012 21:02 GMT
#794
M5 got heavily criticized for choosing Baron over defending their turrets/inhibitor about 27 minutes into game 3, but at the time I thought it was actually a very smart decision. With the VODs now available I wanted to examine that decision more closely.

First, consider the gold on each team before and after the exchange:

(CLG/M5)
Before Baron/Turrets: 38.1k/31.8k
After Baron/Turrets: 40.1k/33.6k

So in the exchange M5 only fell behind by 200g. That's still falling behind, but not by very much. M5 was a man down at the time due to Kennen getting picked, so by taking Baron rather than contesting towers they avoided risky 4v5 fights while keeping the gold gap from increasing dramatically.

That, however, raises the question, "Was Baron buff worth losing an inhibitor?" Let's look at the gold difference just after Baron buff faded at approximately 31 minutes in.

31:00 Game Time: 43.7k/39.2k

The gold gap shrunk from 6.5k to 4.5k over the course of four minutes. CLG couldn't take strong offensive action as long as M5 had Baron buff, and with the inhibitor down all the lanes were naturally pushing. As a result M5 was able to farm significantly more than CLG. In this way M5 turned the disadvantage of a lost inhibitor into an advantage.

So the net result of M5's decision was to shrink the gap by 2k gold. Though they eventually lost, I think it's clear that the exchange actually benefited M5 by giving them the chance to farm away CLG's advantage.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 01 2012 21:08 GMT
#795
On February 02 2012 06:02 Seuss wrote:
M5 got heavily criticized for choosing Baron over defending their turrets/inhibitor about 27 minutes into game 3, but at the time I thought it was actually a very smart decision. With the VODs now available I wanted to examine that decision more closely.

First, consider the gold on each team before and after the exchange:

(CLG/M5)
Before Baron/Turrets: 38.1k/31.8k
After Baron/Turrets: 40.1k/33.6k

So in the exchange M5 only fell behind by 200g. That's still falling behind, but not by very much. M5 was a man down at the time due to Kennen getting picked, so by taking Baron rather than contesting towers they avoided risky 4v5 fights while keeping the gold gap from increasing dramatically.

That, however, raises the question, "Was Baron buff worth losing an inhibitor?" Let's look at the gold difference just after Baron buff faded at approximately 31 minutes in.

31:00 Game Time: 43.7k/39.2k

The gold gap shrunk from 6.5k to 4.5k over the course of four minutes. CLG couldn't take strong offensive action as long as M5 had Baron buff, and with the inhibitor down all the lanes were naturally pushing. As a result M5 was able to farm significantly more than CLG. In this way M5 turned the disadvantage of a lost inhibitor into an advantage.

So the net result of M5's decision was to shrink the gap by 2k gold. Though they eventually lost, I think it's clear that the exchange actually benefited M5 by giving them the chance to farm away CLG's advantage.

It was the right play on both ends. CLG got map control for the rest of the game, and M5 were able to minimize the damage.

In the M5 ideal case, they bait the baron, CLG comes and contests, dont get the inhib, they all get out alive, and someone getting picked gets wiped out and they are even again.

In the CLG ideal case, M5 contests tower, they lose cuz they get there late, then CLG gets inhib and baron and wins the game there.

Instead CLG makes the choice to take map control, which basically cements that M5 needs to get baron or they lose the game there, which they do.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 01 2012 21:17 GMT
#796
Right, it just seemed like some people thought M5 should have contested the towers when they were clearly not in a position to do so. Even if M5 could have arrived in time it would have been extremely risky to fight 4v5.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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