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On February 01 2012 03:26 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:25 wei2coolman wrote: insert rainman bashing for not playing irelia correctly. To be fair rainman pretty much did as well as wickd did here, it's just the team coordination was different and they just coordinated between mid, jungle, and top a lot better. rainman sucks at irelia rolf..
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Beyonder
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On February 01 2012 03:26 Itsmedudeman wrote: m5 just don't know how to play from behind. They force 3v3s, 4v4s, 5v5s when they're behind and they lose. I think its more that they are used to have superior teamplay. Normally, even from behind, they can win those fights. But CLG.EU trains that very methodically. They watch replays of their matches, discuss it maturely, and generally practice well. This is a true team.
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On February 01 2012 03:28 emucxg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:26 Itsmedudeman wrote:On February 01 2012 03:25 wei2coolman wrote: insert rainman bashing for not playing irelia correctly. To be fair rainman pretty much did as well as wickd did here, it's just the team coordination was different and they just coordinated between mid, jungle, and top a lot better. rainman sucks at irelia rolf.. Same cs, got pushed in, what exactly was different besides what I said?
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On February 01 2012 03:28 Craton wrote: feeder maokai imo
Haha. Yeah, the flawless victory was right around the corner.
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On February 01 2012 03:23 OreoBoi wrote: I feel like M5 has gotten way too predictable. CLG just seems to know, oh they're going to be here and they'll want to fight. It was always predictable.
Its just every team not named TSM was bad at Kiev, and TOO is terrible when you throw him off his game.
It was the perfect storm for M5- a bunch of bad teams where that strat works very well, and the only a tier team there had a jungle who was poor against counterjungling.
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On February 01 2012 03:26 Doctorbeat wrote: Genja played subpar this game really. His mf is bad compared to his Kennen or Sivir.
He actually did very well in lane. But that build really. No damage what so ever.
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Wickd's irelia wasn't all that different >in lane<
pushed up to tower not winning trades
He was talking a lot on SotL how you'd simply engage shyv on sight, trade and then push her out of lane because you trade better
herpa derp didn't look so good.
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0/0/9 sivir. Support sivir
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On February 01 2012 03:28 Doctorbeat wrote:Haha. Yeah, the flawless victory was right around the corner. no he died really early on at the blue buff fight
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On February 01 2012 03:28 SHr3DD3r wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:26 Doctorbeat wrote: Genja played subpar this game really. His mf is bad compared to his Kennen or Sivir.
He actually did very well in lane. But that build really. No damage what so ever.
When Sivir got IE it all went downhill. Not to mention that his positioning has been bad. That fight at dragon he was just stuck there playing with the guns whilst his team was dying.
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tbh, even when shyv left lane after pushing a lane, she didn't get much done.
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On February 01 2012 03:30 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:28 SHr3DD3r wrote:On February 01 2012 03:26 Doctorbeat wrote: Genja played subpar this game really. His mf is bad compared to his Kennen or Sivir.
He actually did very well in lane. But that build really. No damage what so ever. When Sivir got IE it all went downhill. Not to mention that his positioning has been bad. That fight at dragon he was just stuck there playing with the guns whilst his team was dying.
He could have just ultied from the ledge 2 or 3 times while galio and sona ults were down, it would easily reached like 3 or 4 CLG members, but he waited till the wall melted, walked down and then ulted
I don't really still understand why.
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well irelia build aegis, so i think he traded lane dominance for teamfight dominance which is clever since M5 is coming to your blue every 5 mins.
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On February 01 2012 03:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:28 emucxg wrote:On February 01 2012 03:26 Itsmedudeman wrote:On February 01 2012 03:25 wei2coolman wrote: insert rainman bashing for not playing irelia correctly. To be fair rainman pretty much did as well as wickd did here, it's just the team coordination was different and they just coordinated between mid, jungle, and top a lot better. rainman sucks at irelia rolf.. Same cs, got pushed in, what exactly was different besides what I said? When Irelia has same cs compared to Shivanna she should do better in team fights. And that she did... Wickd went 8-0-3 and bought the aura items that helped his teams in these fights.
Froggens Anivia was even more important though imo
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Beyonder
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Lets not forget that Irelia went Aegis vs. the mass aoe comp. It's a team game, he did exactly what he was suppose to do :D
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shyvanna went 3 times in 23mins to counter jungle, 2 of them she barely got out alive, the other time snoopeh and froggen were a little slow on closing in on her, wickd was leaving his ulti up and not popping W for creep clears when shyvanna left, so I don't feel like he was worried about stopping her from leaving as she wasn't likely to do anything even if she left, more like worse case shyvanna gets wolves and comes back, best case snoopeh and froggen close in on her and she dies for it
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On February 01 2012 03:30 wei2coolman wrote: tbh, even when shyv left lane after pushing a lane, she didn't get much done. I still think the Mundo was a poor pick for the 24/7 counter jungling they wanted to do. Had he been 6 before they spent 2 minutes contesting and all dying at blue, it might've been a different story.
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On February 01 2012 03:28 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:23 OreoBoi wrote: I feel like M5 has gotten way too predictable. CLG just seems to know, oh they're going to be here and they'll want to fight. It was always predictable. Its just every team not named TSM was bad at Kiev, and TOO is terrible when you throw him off his game. It was the perfect storm for M5- a bunch of bad teams where that strat works very well, and the only a tier team there had a jungle who was poor against counterjungling.
I think counterjungling is predictable by nature.
I've been playing Sejuani lately and you know on sight the junglers that will counterjungle you around your red jungle, so you have the support set the ward at wraiths and tell your lanes to collapse on it. You usually first blood the M5 copycat Shyv and things snowball for you.
All you do is be strong enough team wise to not lose the buff you sit at and ward the other one and it's pretty easy.
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