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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
July 28 2013 04:23 GMT
#541
On July 28 2013 07:34 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 00:10 schmutttt wrote:
Started learning adc. Since vayne is the most popular champ right now and I haven't learnt her yet, she's basically all I verse in ranked.

Now for a gold player I usually farm pretty well so I'm ahead at 20 min in 90% of my games. I'm a pretty farm orientated player in general (ill take as much allocated cs post laning phase as possible), but unless I'm incredibly fed I can't push too far beyond closest tower because the vayne will come and kill me.

Is there any adcs who can 1v1 vayne at the 1-2 item stage when slightly ahead (I've only been playing cait/ez/trist so far) or should I just group with my team and force objectives?

Cait and Ez can both poke Vayne fairly safely. Don't try to engage her 1v1 unless you have an item advantage and she's significantly lower than you, or you can blow her up instantly with fed Graves or something. Get your support or jungler to set up fights where you can pick her off.


So basically don't split push vs her ever unless I'm grossly fed or I'm baiting her?
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
July 28 2013 04:25 GMT
#542
Also on cait should I be going BT first? In all my games I've gone IE>PD>LW (if I'm versing armour stack ill sit on a zeal and rush LW, is this ok?)
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 05:43:21
July 28 2013 05:42 GMT
#543
On July 28 2013 13:23 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 07:34 Magus wrote:
On July 28 2013 00:10 schmutttt wrote:
Started learning adc. Since vayne is the most popular champ right now and I haven't learnt her yet, she's basically all I verse in ranked.

Now for a gold player I usually farm pretty well so I'm ahead at 20 min in 90% of my games. I'm a pretty farm orientated player in general (ill take as much allocated cs post laning phase as possible), but unless I'm incredibly fed I can't push too far beyond closest tower because the vayne will come and kill me.

Is there any adcs who can 1v1 vayne at the 1-2 item stage when slightly ahead (I've only been playing cait/ez/trist so far) or should I just group with my team and force objectives?

Cait and Ez can both poke Vayne fairly safely. Don't try to engage her 1v1 unless you have an item advantage and she's significantly lower than you, or you can blow her up instantly with fed Graves or something. Get your support or jungler to set up fights where you can pick her off.


So basically don't split push vs her ever unless I'm grossly fed or I'm baiting her?


Basically. Vayne is one of the best duelists in the game and the best ADC duelist by quite a lot unless you are a fed blue ezreal who can poke her down, or are just so fed or surprise her so badly that you can just roll over her. Or if she just has real bad mechanics. Going 1v1 as an ADC vs her is just not a safe idea in a reasonably fair engagement. If her ult is down you can be much more aggressive, but still dangerous. As Cait you will have to be majorly fed to win a 1v1.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
holyhalo5
Profile Joined October 2009
United States187 Posts
July 29 2013 18:09 GMT
#544
When Panth has 2 shield charges and uses his w, does he now have three charges or do the 2 charges disappear (now that he has a new shield)?
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Heart Buster
Profile Joined April 2013
Japan32 Posts
July 29 2013 22:35 GMT
#545
On July 28 2013 13:25 schmutttt wrote:
Also on cait should I be going BT first? In all my games I've gone IE>PD>LW (if I'm versing armour stack ill sit on a zeal and rush LW, is this ok?)


yeah this is the ideal setup for caitlyn
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
July 29 2013 23:44 GMT
#546
On July 30 2013 03:09 holyhalo5 wrote:
When Panth has 2 shield charges and uses his w, does he now have three charges or do the 2 charges disappear (now that he has a new shield)?

Using his W just sets his passive to on, regardless of stacks. It will get used up as normal by the next hit and then you can stack it again. If you already had it up when you used W you don't get two layers or anything like that.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 31 2013 14:42 GMT
#547
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-31 15:01:27
July 31 2013 15:01 GMT
#548
If you're exerting map pressure, your buff camps aren't sitting out to rot, and you're tanky enough to be a douchebag in teamfights, low farm on a jungler is fine. Bonus points if mid or someone is taking some of your jungle farm.
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
July 31 2013 22:30 GMT
#549
howdy, I have just been starting to play a decent amount of league nowadays. I'm currently around lv 23 and I'm just wondering how people specifically get better at the game.

I have a question about how to use resources. I was masters terran in sc2 and I got there that off watching replays, emulating some players and of course playing a shit ton. That said, I would like to know what resources there are for lol. For example, what is a good lol replay viewer or something. Also is there any custom map to practice mechanics?

And also curious what are the skills and attitude that separates the bronze, silver, gold, diamond and challenger leagues?

and currently I'm just trying to master one champion, Lux. lazers woo. range of a siege tank
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 31 2013 23:32 GMT
#550
Quick answering-from-cellphone answers:

People have had some trouble with LOLReplay lately but it's still the only LoL replay option. Google it and you should
get it easily.

You can also easily make any custom game from the "Play -> Custom Game" buttons in the UI. From there you can practice CS, Smiting, skillshots, w/e.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 31 2013 23:34 GMT
#551
If you like range, champions like Ziggs, Zyra, and most of all Xerath could catch your eye. Don't hesitate to try them when they're free.
There are stream aggregators (plug-ins for Firefox and Chrome too) on sites like solomid.net, lolking, etc. where you can try to find streams of players using stuff you're interested in. However, a bunch of LoL comes from decision-making and understanding of the game (lane dynamics, damage potential of champions at different levels/points of the game, etc.) so playing it helps, checking the wiki too, or just trying at least 2-3 games of each champ whenever you get the chance, so you know what they do and how they work.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
August 01 2013 02:30 GMT
#552
On July 28 2013 14:42 sob3k wrote:

Basically. Vayne is one of the best duelists in the game and the best ADC duelist by quite a lot unless you are a fed blue ezreal who can poke her down, or are just so fed or surprise her so badly that you can just roll over her. Or if she just has real bad mechanics. Going 1v1 as an ADC vs her is just not a safe idea in a reasonably fair engagement. If her ult is down you can be much more aggressive, but still dangerous. As Cait you will have to be majorly fed to win a 1v1.


Is Vayne seriously the best ADC duelist by a long shot? I was under the impression that Draven could easily take her in the early levels. (I know that this is certainly not the case in late game though)
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12086 Posts
August 01 2013 02:35 GMT
#553
After 6, on even footing, and with a bork, vayne is almost certainly the strongest almost certainly. If any of those factors are missing, it depends on the situation.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 19:16:01
August 01 2013 19:15 GMT
#554
On August 01 2013 11:30 Frudgey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 14:42 sob3k wrote:

Basically. Vayne is one of the best duelists in the game and the best ADC duelist by quite a lot unless you are a fed blue ezreal who can poke her down, or are just so fed or surprise her so badly that you can just roll over her. Or if she just has real bad mechanics. Going 1v1 as an ADC vs her is just not a safe idea in a reasonably fair engagement. If her ult is down you can be much more aggressive, but still dangerous. As Cait you will have to be majorly fed to win a 1v1.


Is Vayne seriously the best ADC duelist by a long shot? I was under the impression that Draven could easily take her in the early levels. (I know that this is certainly not the case in late game though)

Pre-6, sure, Draven can dump on her. Post-6 and post-BORK/BT it depends on how far draven is ahead.

Also, getting condemn-stunned is an auto lose when dueling her. As nearly anyone, unless she's MASSIVELY behind. And I mean like a full 3k gold item behind. I don't care if you're Zed, you're losing the duel if you get stunned by her.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 05 2013 21:18 GMT
#555
Because GD moves so damn fast. ._.

1. Which champions apart from junglers are actually interested in AS marks right now, off-laners in particular? Are AS marks even strong enough for these champions to specifically want them over AD marks?

2. I've already got an armour/gp10/MR/gp10 support page for squishy greedy play, got a runepage open for another one. There's obvious stuff (like Hybrid or Magic Pen marks, armour seals, MR glyphs, gp10 quints) but I can easily use an existing page (with AP, MS or AD quints instead of gp10 so not that big a deal) for these. The "specific" page I could muster up would most probably be a mp5/gp10 one for spam happy supports, is there a known cookie-cutter page for this? The one I've heard about is armour or MR marks, armour seals, mp5 glyphs, gp10 quints.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 05 2013 21:27 GMT
#556
What do you use on Leona Alaric? Was under the impression you played her a lot.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 05 2013 21:29 GMT
#557
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 05 2013 21:35 GMT
#558
I'm running the armour/gp10/MR/gp10 on every support atm, including Leona. Like such a squishy page could prevent her from forcing you to manmode!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
August 06 2013 00:05 GMT
#559
On August 01 2013 11:35 Simberto wrote:
After 6, on even footing, and with a bork, vayne is almost certainly the strongest almost certainly. If any of those factors are missing, it depends on the situation.


Quinn?
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-06 01:15:05
August 06 2013 01:13 GMT
#560
On August 06 2013 09:05 xMiragex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 11:35 Simberto wrote:
After 6, on even footing, and with a bork, vayne is almost certainly the strongest almost certainly. If any of those factors are missing, it depends on the situation.


Quinn?


Not unless you are hugely ahead. You would think it would work better but believe me i've tried it multiple times and got shat on. You're welcome to give it a shot yourself.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
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