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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
 -So many new items :o Plus lots of old items have been changed etc. Any new noob-trap items that I should avoid? or items at the contrary that are generally a good idea to build when in doubt? -What are the standard starting items now? Boot/3pots all the time seems to have fallen out of fashion. -Any changes in the usual rune setups? Like runes that were crap before that I should buy now? | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
Using lolwiki to compute gold efficiency: Bulwark price: 2950g 1: The Bulwark carrier: 2852g 2: The Bulwark carriers: 3912g For others: 1060g Total stats from Bulwark(s) on the users: 300 Health 40 Armor 80 Magic Resist 20 Health Regen Basically wouldn't this be the absolute most gold efficient item in the game for the two users? While it might benefit the overall team much better than just a single, it would greatly increase the chance for an aura always been online - which I suppose shouldn't be discarded too easily either. Another point would be that the jungler can delay the Aegis upgrade in favor for a more selfish item, the aurae would still stack - Bulwark+Aegis would still be incredible gold efficient. | ||
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HoMM
Estonia636 Posts
If all 5 people are present then the 2nd bulwark grants the aura for 2 people. (2 x 1060) Chances are, if your first bulwark carrier dies or is away, you have 4 people and you probably wont want to he teamfighting with 4 people anyways. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On July 10 2013 03:30 Simberto wrote: Why? People die in Teamfights. If your bulwark carrier dies, you don't suddenly turn and run away and miraculously take no damage doing that. Also, the Bulwark is still pretty effective on only the two carriers. Sure, the first one is better, but the second one is still a very good item. Probably one of the better MR items. Yeah, still hella gold efficient. It also good for team comp styles where 5v5 not as integral as creating multiple skirmish opportunities. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
I tried this in lanes where I have to deal with a lot of AAs and/or trades, and the 10hp/5, the passive, and the extra health are absolutely amazing. Melee AP in the mid lane became so much easier. Comments? | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12086 Posts
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TSCrEaToR-
United States13 Posts
On July 11 2013 12:01 imBLIND wrote: What do you guys think about doran shield on AP mids in matchups where AAs are the main source of damage? I recently got wrecked when i was playing ori vs kassadin and he went shield first with tele/flash. He just completely ignored me for the most part, and everytime i tried to zone him for more than 10 seconds, I got ganked really hard. Dealing with him post6 was impossible after that, because he actually had even farm with me (about 100 at the 11 minute mark). I tried this in lanes where I have to deal with a lot of AAs and/or trades, and the 10hp/5, the passive, and the extra health are absolutely amazing. Melee AP in the mid lane became so much easier. Comments? As a kassadin player, going in for cs with aa against an ori means 3 autoattacks to the face. If you silence her, she can follow you, aa maybe another once or twice, then follow with a q-w combo. If you q farm, you severely miss out on a lot of cs. So basically, just harass him over and over and over again. Dorans shield cannot negate constant harass.Also, ori's aa's have magic damage on top. Don't zone him. Just harass him. And if the lane is pushing towards his side, ward well. Don't just ward the side bushes, ward the path to wraiths, etc. However, by having ori against a kassadin, its a natural losing lane, so just try your best and you have a greater disruption in teamfights, even if kass has more burst potential. | ||
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TSCrEaToR-
United States13 Posts
On July 08 2013 20:59 BobMcJohnson wrote: Hey, I picked up the game again after a fairly long break (HotS came out :>) The last patch I played actively iirc vas something around Varus/Hecarim. So yeah i'm a bit lost and i have a bunch "what has changed?" of questions -So many new items :o Plus lots of old items have been changed etc. Any new noob-trap items that I should avoid? or items at the contrary that are generally a good idea to build when in doubt? -What are the standard starting items now? Boot/3pots all the time seems to have fallen out of fashion. -Any changes in the usual rune setups? Like runes that were crap before that I should buy now? Items are still kind of the same, the spirit stone items were a big change. Botrk is a big buy, so is liandry's. Top: Cloth5, rejuvbead pots wards, longsword 2 pots, boots Mid: boots, dring+pots, flask wards pots, nullmagicmantle (very rare but effective sometimes) Jungle: machetepots pretty much nowadays except for very special cases such as fiddle AD: dblade, boots, longsword pots Sup: full inventory of wards/pots, fairie/rejuv +wards pots, fairie+rejuv+wards The change in rune setups was mainly for mid laners. Its more common to run hybrid pen than flat pen due to riot changing it around. | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
I know everything is subjective to change depending on the lane and game and such, so no need to go into that. That is why I asked for general info. I am trying out a 4/5/21 Utility page with +5 GP10 in runes (quints and yellows). No idea for items though, I'm gonna wing it. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 08 2013 23:33 Jek wrote: How come in high Elo/pro games they don't, at least I haven't seen, get 2 Bulwarks on tanky/divers (if they have of course)? The aurae stack on the item carriers making the item rediculous gold efficient for the Bulwark users. Using lolwiki to compute gold efficiency: Bulwark price: 2950g 1: The Bulwark carrier: 2852g 2: The Bulwark carriers: 3912g For others: 1060g Total stats from Bulwark(s) on the users: 300 Health 40 Armor 80 Magic Resist 20 Health Regen Basically wouldn't this be the absolute most gold efficient item in the game for the two users? While it might benefit the overall team much better than just a single, it would greatly increase the chance for an aura always been online - which I suppose shouldn't be discarded too easily either. Another point would be that the jungler can delay the Aegis upgrade in favor for a more selfish item, the aurae would still stack - Bulwark+Aegis would still be incredible gold efficient. While it's true that it's cost-efficient, the stats are also very MR-heavy. Given that there are other personal MR items that the carriers would consider anyway, it's very atypical for Bulwark to be necessary in multiples. Also, generally try to be careful when analyzing HP regen as part of raw cost-effectiveness numbers because by and large the value of HP regen diminishes quickly. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 12 2013 05:56 VashTS wrote: How would one go about Support Fiddlesticks? General runes/masteries and an item build because I am completely fucking clueless... I know everything is subjective to change depending on the lane and game and such, so no need to go into that. That is why I asked for general info. I am trying out a 4/5/21 Utility page with +5 GP10 in runes (quints and yellows). No idea for items though, I'm gonna wing it. Spellsy mentioned it in his "support cards". I tend to run the same masteries (since even if defense is limited, it's still better than nothing) and to get a somewhat early lucky pick+boots (boots are really important considering Fear's range unless they tend to dive on you aniway), then after sightstone I either work on Locket if I need armour (plus the early CDR is nice) or Twin Shadows if I need MR. The active is really good to let you catch people, lock them down with Fear, and have your team follow up. Also pinks once you're 6 in lane, the simple threat can zone your opponents hard. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 08 2013 23:33 Jek wrote: How come in high Elo/pro games they don't, at least I haven't seen, get 2 Bulwarks on tanky/divers (if they have of course)? The aurae stack on the item carriers making the item rediculous gold efficient for the Bulwark users. Using lolwiki to compute gold efficiency: Bulwark price: 2950g 1: The Bulwark carrier: 2852g 2: The Bulwark carriers: 3912g For others: 1060g Total stats from Bulwark(s) on the users: 300 Health 40 Armor 80 Magic Resist 20 Health Regen Basically wouldn't this be the absolute most gold efficient item in the game for the two users? While it might benefit the overall team much better than just a single, it would greatly increase the chance for an aura always been online - which I suppose shouldn't be discarded too easily either. Another point would be that the jungler can delay the Aegis upgrade in favor for a more selfish item, the aurae would still stack - Bulwark+Aegis would still be incredible gold efficient. This ignores how little 20 Health regen matters late game, and also ignores how 'cost efficient' other big ticket MR items are (Abyssal if you like auras, SV for CDR and/or healing) Health regen on lolwiki is rated compared to rejuv beads, which are incredibly incredibly cost-inefficient item, and ignores the fact that health regen is one stat that you really get "for free" just for upgrading an item. And even though you get more of it, it still is less useful because its a much smaller % of your health pool as you level up. That's also why baron buff is worth "15k gold" - because lolwiki doesn't know how much gold HP5 is worth late game (While it does have value, it's not worth the numbers on rejuv bead) | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On July 12 2013 17:34 FinestHour wrote: how exactly does demoting work? does it happen when you reach 0 lp and go negative or can it happen if you lose a ton in a row It will generally happen if you reach 0 LP and go negative, with a few exceptions - if you just got promoted into the division, you have a couple games of immunity where you can't get demoted - if your MMR is high enough for some reason (you lost the LP because of dodging or decay, for example), you might not get demoted - you can't get demoted from any 'V' division As for losing a ton in a row, theoretically you still need to reach 0 LP but practically it's really difficult to not hit 0 LP after a 8+ losing streak | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
Still toying around with this (im gold II for what is worth), any match ups that should avoid, i mean malp is the one that comes to my head but any others? | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
For example: Jarvan Zed maybe Irelia. In general you will most likely (again I dont play trist top so I have 0 xp with that exact champ top) problems once the first big items are coming. Lets say a botrk chainvest irelia or sth against your botrk /start of Ie or Zeal will most likely cause you a lot of problems because she is more tanky and does more dmg while you dont have the dps yet to exploit your range advantage | ||
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