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NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 12:25:06
June 30 2013 12:24 GMT
#481
On June 30 2013 20:02 Jek wrote:
As a jungler how do you get back in the game if you die early losing your buffs?


I understand why it sets one of you lane behind having to deal with someone who just got 300 gold and double buff, but I'm not sure how that sets you behind yourself. The death timer is super short and unlike a laner, you're not losing xp to your tower as you're dead. You got the gold and xp from both buffs, you shouldn't be that much behind the ennemy jungler.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
June 30 2013 12:39 GMT
#482
On June 30 2013 21:24 NpG)Explosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 20:02 Jek wrote:
As a jungler how do you get back in the game if you die early losing your buffs?


I understand why it sets one of you lane behind having to deal with someone who just got 300 gold and double buff, but I'm not sure how that sets you behind yourself. The death timer is super short and unlike a laner, you're not losing xp to your tower as you're dead. You got the gold and xp from both buffs, you shouldn't be that much behind the ennemy jungler.

I don't know, I've just found it really hard to catch back when the jungler gets the huge gold and buff advantage - not to mention they can usually follow up with taking jungle camps.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
July 01 2013 03:13 GMT
#483
Getting killed as a jungler when you just got your double buff isn't all THAT bad. The best way is to look for ganks and grab a kill or an assist, especially if you are a stronger ganker like Xin Zhao.

Here's my question. In Silver league, how on earth do you counter a counter-jungling nunu? Now he's just a first ban in ranked solo-q's for me. Allies either take too long to come help or they lack CC so nunu just runs away with ridiculous move speed.
sup
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 01 2013 03:52 GMT
#484
On July 01 2013 12:13 Zariel wrote:
Getting killed as a jungler when you just got your double buff isn't all THAT bad. The best way is to look for ganks and grab a kill or an assist, especially if you are a stronger ganker like Xin Zhao.

Here's my question. In Silver league, how on earth do you counter a counter-jungling nunu? Now he's just a first ban in ranked solo-q's for me. Allies either take too long to come help or they lack CC so nunu just runs away with ridiculous move speed.



Play a jungler that can't be counterjungled.

How he going to counterjungle an Udyr that has no creeps to steal, an Udyr that will just kill him if he walks into his jungle?
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 04:34:10
July 01 2013 04:32 GMT
#485
On June 30 2013 21:24 NpG)Explosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 20:02 Jek wrote:
As a jungler how do you get back in the game if you die early losing your buffs?


I understand why it sets one of you lane behind having to deal with someone who just got 300 gold and double buff, but I'm not sure how that sets you behind yourself. The death timer is super short and unlike a laner, you're not losing xp to your tower as you're dead. You got the gold and xp from both buffs, you shouldn't be that much behind the ennemy jungler.

I don't think it's the doublebuffs that get you.

There's a lot to dying even once as a laner or a jungler. You start to get behind in levels, if you gank, you just fall behind even more. Ideally your lanes don't need ganks but sometimes they do.

Ideally you don't die. But if you do die in the jungle, doublebuffs or not, you just try to come back. There's no magic to it. Some junglers are less reliant on buffs than others. If you're fiddle you'll probably have to come back with mana pots and trade gold for levels whereas someone like Lee could still clear just fine without altering his build.

If you died to a counterjungle then you'll need to set up wards for future invades. Try to be self reliant and don't die again. The enemy jungler can take wraiths from you 8 times and as long as your team gets one kill on him, they get the gold back.

Having your laners come babysit you will just cause a ripple effect where they have to expend mana, health, time (gold and exp) and fall behind as well.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
July 02 2013 13:16 GMT
#486
On July 01 2013 13:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 21:24 NpG)Explosive wrote:
On June 30 2013 20:02 Jek wrote:
As a jungler how do you get back in the game if you die early losing your buffs?


I understand why it sets one of you lane behind having to deal with someone who just got 300 gold and double buff, but I'm not sure how that sets you behind yourself. The death timer is super short and unlike a laner, you're not losing xp to your tower as you're dead. You got the gold and xp from both buffs, you shouldn't be that much behind the ennemy jungler.

I don't think it's the doublebuffs that get you.

There's a lot to dying even once as a laner or a jungler. You start to get behind in levels, if you gank, you just fall behind even more. Ideally your lanes don't need ganks but sometimes they do.

Ideally you don't die. But if you do die in the jungle, doublebuffs or not, you just try to come back. There's no magic to it. Some junglers are less reliant on buffs than others. If you're fiddle you'll probably have to come back with mana pots and trade gold for levels whereas someone like Lee could still clear just fine without altering his build.

If you died to a counterjungle then you'll need to set up wards for future invades. Try to be self reliant and don't die again. The enemy jungler can take wraiths from you 8 times and as long as your team gets one kill on him, they get the gold back.

Having your laners come babysit you will just cause a ripple effect where they have to expend mana, health, time (gold and exp) and fall behind as well.


It's the "just try to come back" I'm struggling with, I feel like ganking when put behind this much early to be a great risk for both me and the laner -- especially if I'm against a strong counterganker. Should I focus a bit more on farming my jungle than normally in the early death scenario, or just try to camp a lane to give my laner the advantage I lost - mentality, kill/assist or just the lost CS his opponent will gain?
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11783 Posts
July 02 2013 15:38 GMT
#487
In my opinion, camping in that situation is absurdly dangerous. You are weaker then the enemy jungler. If you camp a lane, that can easily turn into a 2v2 if you have limited vision. You really shouldn't change too much, except reevaluating that you want to avoid situations that lead to a 2v2. That means farm, take the good ganks, and don't get counterganked. The same thing you always want to do.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
July 03 2013 19:08 GMT
#488
So basically just play better than before? :-P
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
July 03 2013 20:35 GMT
#489
Okay so I have a question regarding spellvamp/lifesteal

If I'm playing an AD caster (For example Darius) and then I cast a spell that does physical damage (I.E. Decimate) would that proc spellvamp or lifesteal?

I guess what I'm asking if spellvamp is exclusive to AP damage and lifesteal is exclusive AD? Or is it that Lifesteal is for all auto attacks and spell vamp for all damaging spells?
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11783 Posts
July 03 2013 20:38 GMT
#490
Spellvamp works on activated items, summoners, and champion abilities. That includes physical damage abilities, true damage abilities, etc.

Lifesteal works on autohits.

There are also some spells that don't agree with that (Ez Q, GP Q), but in general this is true.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
July 03 2013 20:41 GMT
#491
And what about passives? Do those work with spell vamp as well? I'm guessing so.

Thanks for the lightning fast response by the way.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 03 2013 20:43 GMT
#492
When in doubt about something check the wiki: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_vamp etc.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
July 03 2013 22:58 GMT
#493
Basically, every damage skill that doesn't proc on-hit effects uses spell-vamp.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
July 05 2013 16:15 GMT
#494
Hey to you ADC players out there I have a question for you:

Do you guys prefer to start a Doran's Blade or a longsword and two health potions? Is one better than the other?

Personally I like my longsword as it starts me on my build sooner, but I'm really thinking as Draven I should be starting Doran's Blade first.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 05 2013 16:45 GMT
#495
Doran's blade. If you autoattack 44 times, that's 220 health combined with the +80 health that you get from the doran's blade itself makes up for the 2 potions you would have had. It doesn't work as well in solo lanes, because you dont have a support trying to give you space to autoattack creeps constantly.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
July 06 2013 22:28 GMT
#496
Question TL I got a computer that can play lol at a decent fps. As in not 9 fps for teamfights. I wanna get Lolreplay or some similar application. But i think there website is down. Any suggestions.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
July 06 2013 23:48 GMT
#497
Hey, where to find on the internet LoL Practice Partner thread?
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SgtSquiglz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States668 Posts
July 07 2013 03:25 GMT
#498
Are there any situations where health regen quints would be a good choice?
Take anything I say with a grain of salt.....I suck at this game. Also, Go Blue!
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
July 07 2013 03:36 GMT
#499
On July 07 2013 12:25 SgtSquiglz wrote:
Are there any situations where health regen quints would be a good choice?

Probably morde and thats about it.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 07 2013 21:19 GMT
#500
On July 07 2013 12:25 SgtSquiglz wrote:
Are there any situations where health regen quints would be a good choice?


Island style 1v1 matchups, but thats about all I can think off.
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