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HughMyron
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Unfortunately, after Riot nerfs Nunu it's probably gonna suck. | ||
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AFKing
128 Posts
On January 09 2013 06:56 Ghost-z wrote: I've been trying her using Gunblade + Rageblade instead of the usual IE + PD. So I did some number crunching. Assuming only these 2 items and E is active: IE+PD = 594 dps GB+RB = 272 dps (no stacks) GB+RB = 374 dps (full stacks) GB+RB = 431 dps (full stacks & below 50% hp) IE+PD clearly wins out in terms of raw dps. However, Kayle's Q will deal an extra 100 damage with GB+RB combo and the Gunblade active deals about 200 damage. GB+RB also grant 10-20% life steal and 20-30% spell vamp. In most cases Kayle won't need the extra sustain because she can use her W to heal herself and if she gets bursted down quickly then the extra sustain is mute. Unless you are against a team of 4 armor stacking bruisers just stick to IE + PD if you want to do the most damage. TL;DR Infinity Edge + Phantom Dancer give more DPS than Gunblade + Rageblade. Its also kind of cool to note that you can ult yourself if you drop low and vamp yourself back up to full hp faster than you would normally be able with the rageblade, which runs until 8 seconds after you stop combat, which means it'll still be running when you're at full hp. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Basically she's like Draven in that you have to all-in her whenever you decide to trade or you just lose completely. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
link he didnt get any mr, but she pretty much destroyed him instantly, 1154 DMG or so with E, Q was also rough. As far as my understanding goes: AD more DPS than AP, AP more utility (W, CDR on R) | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
I still strongly believe AD kayle is far superior to AP or hybrid kayle but I can see why teams would want to run it. For one the AP cdr options are better and she can provide a lot of utility. | ||
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HughMyron
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On January 16 2013 10:01 nosliw wrote: so many ways to play her now. I guess no one has gone kayle support hahaha I've seen it happen recently. But I don't think it's that strong. And I'm not sure if it was just a High Elo match I mistook for a tourney. When I've tried Kayle support I felt I offered less than other supports to my team. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:40 HughMyron wrote: Also, does anybody know anything about Jungle Kayle in the professional scene? I vaguely remember one player (Moma?) who plays her in tournaments. If anybody knows more, can you point me to these players and some of their games? I've seen Imsofresh playing Kayle jungle both in soloqueue and tournament games (including during the s3 qualifiers). He runes 21/9/0 masteries and AS marks and quints. I have no idea what skill order he uses (I do E>W>Q, but I think it's up for debate). Core items are spirit stone, boots-> upgrade to greaves, one stinger item (I've seen both zephyr and nashor's tooth), spirit of the elder lizard. If I remember correctly, in most of those tournament games Millenium were running jax top, wukong mid and MF bot. Wukong's Q + black cleaver + kayle's passive means the enemy team has no armor and wukong's isn't even afraid to go in because of kayle's ult. + Show Spoiler + French commentary, game is from the IEM Sao Paulo qualifiers, sadly the game is a complete stomp Another game with French commentary, with mid Kayle this time | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Gravesong
United States96 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:40 HughMyron wrote: Also, does anybody know anything about Jungle Kayle in the professional scene? I vaguely remember one player (Moma?) who plays her in tournaments. If anybody knows more, can you point me to these players and some of their games? MYM Mokatte used a jungle Kayle vs. Crs in IEM Katowice day 1 earlier today. Did anyone catch what runes/masteries he was using? He was building for Beserker's Greaves, Zephyr and then was turning his Spirit Stone into Spirit of the Elder Lizard. Doesn't seem like it would be that great for solo ranked but fun when playing with a team where you could coordinate with a bruiser(like Wukong in the game) who could take full advantage of your armor shred/ult. | ||
GTR
51477 Posts
On January 16 2013 19:23 Bladeorade wrote: I'm assuming just mpen reds AP quints mp5 or armor yellows AP or flat mr blues. Maybe AS blues or something but I doubt it I've been running SSONG's Kayle recently (21/0/9); Hybrid APen/Mpen Reds Armor Yellows MR Blues AP Quints I know Nashors/Liandry's is the bread and butter at the moment but what should you build after that? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I've personally been having a lot of troubles as Kayle though. Particularly against Jax. I don't die to him in lane, I just can't outtrade him, and when I do I feel like it's because I'm outplaying him... severely. Like he'll jump, I'll ult, and he'll dump all his burst and stun during my ult, and then walk away to take free hits, and that's the only way I can win the trade. Or he'll sit by his minions, get slowed, and take free hits running away. I'd like to try some things(not all at once) to combat this and they probably sound dumb: furor boots for reliable chasing early on. mallet for chasing later, and the health. warmogs for the sustain once it's finished and the health before it's finished. cata for the passive. max w to survive tough lanes like Yorick. I should also be using my ult better in trades, and also just sitting back in games where I just want to get AD items and carry with damage. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On January 21 2013 02:17 Bladeorade wrote: Kill Jax pre 6 or zone him from creeps completely. His leap is a long cooldown as is stun and he needs both to trade with you so abuse those cooldowns. I do zone him from creeps. I even harass under tower. This iteration of LoL is so rewarding to just sitting back and using passive gold and free health pots though. | ||
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Bladeorade
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