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On December 17 2012 15:03 Mandalor28 wrote:
Personally, I do the following:
boots + 3 health potions
early back for dorans ring
early back for second dorans ring
beserkers greaves
guinsoo's blade
nashors tooth
gaurdian angel
sell a ring to make room for zephyr
sell a ring to make room for hextech gunblade
The only time I ever buy Nashor's on Kayle is as a first regen item. It would be total overkill with 2 drings you could rush something more cost effective. I haven't really figured out what mana item suites her best, tear is overkill, flask isn't enough mana, philo > elisia just feels weird but honestly the best of three I've tried.
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Why does kayle need a mana item exactly? As long as you don't spam heal you should be fine. Personally I'm finding cleaver into pd or ionic spark2.0 to be best. Flat + % arp. OP
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On December 23 2012 03:37 Bladeorade wrote:
Why does kayle need a mana item exactly?
I guess it's fine if you don't want to stay in lane for very long to just not worry about mana. Depends on your playstyle.
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Or just get better at managing your mana so as to not cripple your build
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bought unmasked kayle in the legacy vault sale, and regretted it instantly when I realized they never bothered to update that model or textures, it uses like 1/4th of the resolution of vanilla kayle in the current iteration... I should have known better :\
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On December 23 2012 14:32 Bladeorade wrote:
Or just get better at managing your mana so as to not cripple your build
No one's crippling their build. This kind of logic of "manage your mana better" was all anyone heard at the start of S2. But you can just do more with more mana. You can engage better with W, you can shoot out more Q's without running out. You can clear faster, get more odd last hits with Q. Yet people still build frozen heart, and sheen, RoA, chalice.
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Yes and none of those items are good for kayle. The only mana item I would advocate is nashors and that's more for the cdr for E uptime and attack speed
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On December 23 2012 14:46 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 14:32 Bladeorade wrote:
Or just get better at managing your mana so as to not cripple your build No one's crippling their build. This kind of logic of "manage your mana better" was all anyone heard at the start of S2. But you can just do more with more mana. You can engage better with W, you can shoot out more Q's without running out. You can clear faster, get more odd last hits with Q. Yet people still build frozen heart, and sheen, RoA, chalice.
You should never be last hitting with q =/.
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On December 23 2012 23:49 Bladeorade wrote:
Yes and none of those items are good for kayle. The only mana item I would advocate is nashors and that's more for the cdr for E uptime and attack speed
Might aswell get Zephyr for these stats.
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On December 24 2012 05:09 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 23:49 Bladeorade wrote:
Yes and none of those items are good for kayle. The only mana item I would advocate is nashors and that's more for the cdr for E uptime and attack speed Might aswell get Zephyr for these stats.
I agree, if you want movement speed, but since I don't need it I'd rather have more mana regen and attack speed with my cdr. It's just a different play style. I'm not going AD so I want attack speed since I'm going on-hit. Zephyr would be much better than Nashors on an AD build.
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Ah okay, that makes sense. I always preferred AD builds because I like the late game synergy of AS and Crit. I still think that Zephyr is inherently better than Nashor's on everyone except AP Teemo and arguably Jax, but that is just me. Movespeed is a much better stat than manaregen to me, so that migt be it.
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On December 24 2012 23:28 Shiv. wrote:
Ah okay, that makes sense. I always preferred AD builds because I like the late game synergy of AS and Crit. I still think that Zephyr is inherently better than Nashor's on everyone except AP Teemo and arguably Jax, but that is just me. Movespeed is a much better stat than manaregen to me, so that migt be it.
I don't see MS as that big a deal on Kayle, with your range and kit she can disengage so easy. What else are you building with CDR if you get Zephyr?
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I gave up on CDR as a stat for non ranged mages after two failed attempts where I tried to max out my CDR asap. Once on assasin Xin, the other on tank Rammus. Never felt like I did the right damage or tanked well enough. As Xin I was just against bots.
Recently I had a game as Kayle where I didn't finish Muramana by 27 minutes. That was too long. I still think there may be merit to it as an item if junglers can charge it faster but I'm not hopeful.
BoRK(Blade of the Ruined King) provides something similar. I like getting it as a first item now because the passive provides a lot of life steal.
I think, as a first item it provides more dps for its cost than IE or PD.
80 Damage to 1000 life targets. 120 damage to 2000 life targets. 160 damage to 3000 life targets.
Then I get a wits end. At that point IE PD's synergy make bork's damage look laughable but I don't think most games last that long.
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Kayle really doesn't need muramana.. have you built cleaver on her yet? So strong.
BORK seems bad. Too little ad and overlaps utility with her Q. I would rather a BT if I'm going that road. The %HP isn't that great.
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League wiki says Kayle can actually use Runaan's. Just that the splash only comes off the primary target.
I said the opposite earlier.
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Unrelated question but is Kayle pronounced K-ale or Kay-lee?
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On December 28 2012 06:16 Ghost-z wrote:
Unrelated question but is Kayle pronounced K-ale or Kay-lee?
Kale is the correct pronunciation.
Additional video proof:
+ Show Spoiler +
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Thank you. I didn't even think about checking the champion spotlight.
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So I've done some math on Runaan's, rageblade, bork, etc...
Kayle's dps with runaan's isn't bad. You have somewhat decent single target dps.
You won't have bork or wits end first. No lifesteal or no mr sucks in top lane.
Having to get madreds first in jungle also sucks.
Her DPS to multiple targets is pretty crazy with runaan's under ideal conditions though. These happen very rarely.
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She does not need madreds to clear jungle. Ad spirit stone item late game.
Which is best is arguable but madreds not a necessity
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