Been playing AP kayle mid with nashors/liandrys/sorcs/lichbane build.

Seems pretty strong its hard to tell since I'm doing it w/o runes on a level 12.

Farming is easy, you do alot of sustained damage, attack speed/movespeed slows seem to be very annoying.

Q->autos does ALOT of aoe damage, and your ult/heal are just amazing.

Idk, hard to tell.

Edit: Also, 10 min que times at level 12 is annoying.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

January 06 2013 06:06 GMT

#162

On January 06 2013 14:27 dae wrote:
Been playing AP kayle mid with nashors/liandrys/sorcs/lichbane build.

Seems pretty strong its hard to tell since I'm doing it w/o runes on a level 12.

Farming is easy, you do alot of sustained damage, attack speed/movespeed slows seem to be very annoying.

Q->autos does ALOT of aoe damage, and your ult/heal are just amazing.

Idk, hard to tell.

Edit: Also, 10 min que times at level 12 is annoying.

Well I think spirit of eldar lizard does about the same thing as Liandry's in terms of dots. Liandry's seems to be the core of the build. Spirit also applies to targets hit by splash, costs less for the passive, and does more to targets with less than 2000 life remaining.

Bladeorade is right. You don't need madreds. Madreds certainly helps vs big camps but spirit stone is fine because the health regen lets you use less pots. Technically you don't need any machete items to jungle.

Also I've been using this custom skin on Kayle.
[image loading]

Find download here.
http://leaguecraft.com/skins?champion=14&search=&rating=0&sort=-rating_total

Only you can see it. But it's really cool. I also customized the login screen to "league of draven" because I got tired of Vi rocking her hips seductively.

Ghost-z

United States1291 Posts

January 08 2013 21:56 GMT

#163

I've been trying her using Gunblade + Rageblade instead of the usual IE + PD. So I did some number crunching.

Assuming only these 2 items and E is active:
IE+PD = 594 dps
GB+RB = 272 dps (no stacks)
GB+RB = 374 dps (full stacks)
GB+RB = 431 dps (full stacks & below 50% hp)

IE+PD clearly wins out in terms of raw dps. However, Kayle's Q will deal an extra 100 damage with GB+RB combo and the Gunblade active deals about 200 damage. GB+RB also grant 10-20% life steal and 20-30% spell vamp.

In most cases Kayle won't need the extra sustain because she can use her W to heal herself and if she gets bursted down quickly then the extra sustain is mute. Unless you are against a team of 4 armor stacking bruisers just stick to IE + PD if you want to do the most damage.

TL;DR
Infinity Edge + Phantom Dancer give more DPS than Gunblade + Rageblade.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 08 2013 22:43 GMT

#164

I usually go BT first on Kayle. I always feel like you Don't need to build the IE, because you probably are going to want to Ult your AD, or Yourself, whichever is being focused, and the other will tear the other team apart regardless. (If your not the focused one you can leech back AOE with BT).

Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

January 09 2013 02:59 GMT

#165

Leech back AoE with BT? The hell does that even mean.

Of course IE + PD gives more DPS. They scale so well together.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 09 2013 03:02 GMT

#166

On January 09 2013 11:59 Bladeorade wrote:
Leech back AoE with BT? The hell does that even mean.

Of course IE + PD gives more DPS. They scale so well together.

The incidental AOE damage you get hit with if you dont ult yourself.

If you have AD Kayle + another AD, single target damage isn't an issue for your team.

Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

January 09 2013 03:37 GMT

#167

Oh the way you stated it sounds like you leech back health using Kayles AoE... which doesn't work lol.

Duvon

Sweden2360 Posts

January 09 2013 22:13 GMT

#168

After some consideration, but only a few games (10 in total maybe?), I find that I like mixed the most on Kayle. I like the sustain, and I also like supporting so slightly better heals are nice, and I find that rageblade+gunblade is kinda complete in a sense, for only 6k (IE+PD = 6,6k, no lifeleech).
This is in soloq normals though, so it's a bit whatever. I often build Aegis after those items, since it's rarely seen.

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

January 10 2013 01:41 GMT

#169

Kayle Legendary Skin inc...
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1684pb/18_pbe_new_kayle_skin/

I don't like the new skin. The hair and face don't look like Kayle. Also she's not fully armored. Wings look weird.

I like that she has a voiceover. I'm just gonna swap out some sound files.

Honestly the oldest kayle skins suck. They're just recolors. The last 3 were ok. They still have triangle feet, but oh well.

Reminds me a bit of lux. It's not bad. The face expression bugs me and the left leg is in a weird posture. The hair is too short to be normal Kayle, but it definitely makes her look more like a fighter since hair just gets in the way of your eyes when you fight.

Imperium11

United States279 Posts

January 10 2013 01:54 GMT

#170

Agreed I'm not a fan overall, but I do like the new look for her E. Definitely not legendary quality though. When you compare it to the likes of Pulsefire Ez and Battlecast Cho...

sung_moon

United States10110 Posts

January 10 2013 05:15 GMT

#171

Meh Battleborn Kayle da bess

rhs408

United States904 Posts

January 10 2013 05:21 GMT

#172

Anyone remember what build Ambition was using last night in OGN? All I remember is stinger into nashor's tooth, and I think a BT eventually?

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

January 10 2013 23:02 GMT

#173

why the sudden popularity of mid kayle now?

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

January 10 2013 23:06 GMT

#174

On January 11 2013 08:02 nosliw wrote:
why the sudden popularity of mid kayle now?

Cause the Koreans are doing it.

Navi

5286 Posts

January 10 2013 23:08 GMT

#175

Assassins get pwned by her gg. She lacks the waveclear of typical mids but diving towers with assassins and aoe is ever easier so its not as huge of a problem right now

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

January 13 2013 00:31 GMT

#176

On January 11 2013 08:06 Roffles wrote:

Show nested quote +

Cause the Koreans are doing it.

So why are the Koreans doing it?

I don't mind nashors start too much: the cdr might be worth the dps loss and other stuff from other items. A sprinkling of mana regen helps. She also gets a stronger Q and W.
I don't mind guise. Or sorc boots. Magic pen is still definitely better than AP. But what I don't understand is why people are finishing guise. The damage added is quite low.
Also it seems like in that last game GGU vs DNG the Kayle played like an AP mid, and not like an Autoattack carry.

Iblis

904 Posts

January 13 2013 11:46 GMT

#177

Kayle is a really solid pick in a bursty assassin heavy meta. Her ult is really good to not die from an assassin that blow everything on a target and also really good to dive and kill a squishy assassin under his turret. Ult can be used to deny a lot of champions that rely on single target ult like Darius, Garen, Zed, Akali. Her ult and utility kit that allows you or an ally to kite can destroy squishy champs that rely on life steal to sustain in fights like Lee Sin, Talon, Jax. Snare them, make their target invulnerable or faster and abuse them.

The 60 second cooldown on her ult will probably be 45sec because CDR is the shit to get with her and having this ult for every single teamfight can allow you to just force fight back to back, just lost a teamfight while the ennemy team had nashor buff and popped all there GA? Just push mid force a fight and profit from them not having anything anymore.

The reason why Kayle is played AP with Liandry's and not AD is because she is a teamfight winner, less Burst but a high sustained AoE damage output. You have champ like Kha'zix, Katarina, Darius,AP Yi, Tristana(?) that will end a teamfight by cleaning up anything under 300hp, Kayle is the complement to them.
Kayle will shred anyone that commits to teamfight. Let Kayle alive and she will wreck your whole team, focus kayle
She'll still have atleast 5sec of Righteous Fury with ultimate to do the most damage possible to the whole team and allow your burst allies to clean up.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

January 13 2013 13:00 GMT

#178

On January 13 2013 09:31 obesechicken13 wrote:

Show nested quote +

So why are the Koreans doing it?

I don't mind nashors start too much: the cdr might be worth the dps loss and other stuff from other items. A sprinkling of mana regen helps. She also gets a stronger Q and W.
I don't mind guise. Or sorc boots. Magic pen is still definitely better than AP. But what I don't understand is why people are finishing guise. The damage added is quite low.
Also it seems like in that last game GGU vs DNG the Kayle played like an AP mid, and not like an Autoattack carry.

I think Jatt pointed out yesterday, that the effect from liandry applies with her E so it gets on more than one target.