[Champion] Miss Fortune - Page 2

GranDim

Canada1214 Posts

March 15 2012 22:11 GMT

#21

I learned MF back when she was a solo mid champ so maxing Q as always been my preferred build. I can still land reliable Q bounces at 1800 elo. Looking forward to vids of the W build.

HAL9OOO

United States176 Posts

March 15 2012 23:08 GMT

#22

Good guide, i like guides that write more on the playstyle and tips to win your lane than just regurgitating basic information.

nlin

United States7 Posts

March 24 2012 00:22 GMT

#23

Just played a game as MF + Janna vs Soraka Graves.

I initially followed Chaox's TSM guide where he advocates maxing Q instead of W because the harass is superior.

I find that I can usually dominate the lane / push them out with Q harass if it's NOT Soraka as the bot lane support.

Graves passive + Soraka = 2gewd and I couldn't push him out after maxing W > Q.

How would I go about beating this lane, or do I just out fear him?

(Disclaimer: exp is 1400-1500 range, Q resetting the swing timer was a big clue in your guide, maybe MF will be my new AD)

speKter

31 Posts

April 17 2012 15:59 GMT

#24

In MF/X vs. Graves/Soraka, you must utilize your superior trading ability to win the lane early. Attempt to force trades early and often - it is extremely easy to force Graves into a defensive position, since W/Q and a couple outattacks will outburst anything graves can counter with in the early game. Soraka can do very little to prevent the damage, since the W active will cut her healing (this forces Soraka to choose between applying the armor buff to Graves during the trade, thus making the heal only 50% effective, or applying the heal AFTER the W debuff has worn off, but ensuring he takes full damage during the trade). I don't mean to trivialize this lane - it is difficult to beat, but extreme aggression is the right way to go. Being passive / not trading often enough heavily favors the Soraka/Graves combo, as they will inevitably heal up any damage you deal and then outscale you in the late game.

Generate note - I realize I still owe the community some VODs. This is my project for this weekend

lIlIlIlIlIlI

Korea (South)3851 Posts

December 30 2012 19:02 GMT

#25

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VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

December 30 2012 19:58 GMT

#26

yup just rush BT dont even need boots on her. Start either Dblade or longsword + 2 pots and get vamp asap then save up for BF. this could change if they rebuff black cleaver though, since its strong on her

olabaz

United States298 Posts

December 30 2012 21:07 GMT

#27

I've been playing her a lot lately and I had an 86% win rate at 1300 ELO. I found it great to start flask/4/3 (4 red pots 3 blue). You can lane forever and get boots dorans vamp or boots bf on first back. I then get BT -> zeal -> LW. I tried starting BC but I didnt feel i did much damage.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

December 30 2012 21:10 GMT

#28

you put the D(cup) in AD

huehuehue

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 30 2012 23:32 GMT

#29

The best build is still BT -> LW with zeals as needed, MF's ult in teamfights is absolutely insane since the cast time removal.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

January 03 2013 02:27 GMT

#30

wat's the best skill order for mf?

arb

Noobville17922 Posts

January 03 2013 02:52 GMT

#31

On January 03 2013 11:27 Ryuu314 wrote:
wat's the best skill order for mf?

I know most people max E last, but idk i usually skill up W then Q myself. R whenever possible obv

little fancy

Germany2504 Posts

January 03 2013 19:55 GMT

#32

On December 31 2012 08:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
The best build is still BT -> LW with zeals as needed, MF's ult in teamfights is absolutely insane since the cast time removal.

This. It doesn't really take skill. If you are not too far behind BT -> LW -> Cleaver is just too strong. Midgame melting everything.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 04 2013 00:36 GMT

#33

On January 03 2013 11:52 arb wrote:

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I know most people max E last, but idk i usually skill up W then Q myself. R whenever possible obv

Depends on how soon you think teamfights are starting and how you think lane phase is going to go. In lanes where you're going to be trading in longer exchanges or when you think teamfights will break out skill w and in lanes where you're going to be harassing a lot skill q. I used to go wqwewr R>W>E>Q always but nowadays I'm doing QWQEQR R>Q>W>E a lot more. Start leveling w as soon as you think teamfights are going to break out soon.

AsianEcksDragon

United States1036 Posts

March 15 2013 00:36 GMT

#34

What does everyone think of this no-crit MF build? I seem to have no problem destroying an entire team without crit. Having those extra armpen from cleaver and 2 BT works really well with mf's kit imo. This would probably be even more effective if the other team stacked armor instead of health.

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Ente

Germany1795 Posts

March 15 2013 01:52 GMT

#35

With that itembuild (or similar itembuilds) you are simply an ultimate bot nothing else, nothing more. Besides the CDR boots that is one if the builds which is/was used by MF players.
Your ultimate is devastating but with that advantage, you also have a weakness, your ultimate is pretty much your only source of damage you have no crit you dont have AS. You will probably do ~400 dmg/hit which is just really really really low.

So I would suggest you only taking this itembuild if your team has a lot of aoe lockdown (amumu, sona, sejuani and so on) In the game you linked I think a standart itembuild would have been better, the opposing team should have been able to jump you with Nautilus, Veigar and Jayce + your team doesnt have that much/easy to hit lockdown

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

March 15 2013 03:32 GMT

#36

On March 15 2013 10:52 Ente wrote:
With that itembuild (or similar itembuilds) you are simply an ultimate bot nothing else, nothing more. Besides the CDR boots that is one if the builds which is/was used by MF players.
Your ultimate is devastating but with that advantage, you also have a weakness, your ultimate is pretty much your only source of damage you have no crit you dont have AS. You will probably do ~400 dmg/hit which is just really really really low.

So I would suggest you only taking this itembuild if your team has a lot of aoe lockdown (amumu, sona, sejuani and so on) In the game you linked I think a standart itembuild would have been better, the opposing team should have been able to jump you with Nautilus, Veigar and Jayce + your team doesnt have that much/easy to hit lockdown

i think that's a very solid team for that build, that front line is extremely protective and none of the diving threats they have should be able to get through it. The only thing he had to fear was nautilus ult or a flash taric stun interrupt really.

AsianEcksDragon

United States1036 Posts

March 15 2013 14:28 GMT

#37

The only AS item really worth building now imo are botrk, nashor, sotd, and trinity force, all of which are terrible on MF. I really find it hard to justify purchasing berserker, pd, or shiv because they are ~400g for a mere +12%. Berserker is the only item I know that gets less cost-efficient after upgrade (900g for 20%) so you are better off just getting a zephyr in place of it. Even the traditional PD-rushers like Vayne are giving up PD in favor of botrk. This build is a little dependent on her ult but you are also underestimating her auto which deals just as much as any AS stacking champs due to the armor pen and significantly higher AD.

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

March 15 2013 14:34 GMT

#38

On March 15 2013 23:28 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
The only AS item really worth building now imo are botrk, nashor, sotd, and trinity force, all of which are terrible on MF. I really find it hard to justify purchasing berserker, pd, or shiv because they are ~400g for a mere +10%. Even the traditional PD-rushers like Vayne are giving up PD in favor of botrk. This build is a little dependent on her ult but you are also underestimating her auto which deals just as much as any AS stacking champs due to the armor pen and significantly higher AD.

Going to have to disagree. If you have an IE, PD is VERY GOOD. Like, beyond good. BORK has a major caveat of not scaling super well with multiplicative stats. It's good, but it's mostly good in a vacuum - on 6 item builds, unless the opponent has a downright silly amount of health, BT will look better because it multiplies better with IE+PD.

On March 15 2013 09:36 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
What does everyone think of this no-crit MF build? I seem to have no problem destroying an entire team without crit. Having those extra armpen from cleaver and 2 BT works really well with mf's kit imo. This would probably be even more effective if the other team stacked armor instead of health.

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I really think your second BT has no reason to NOT be an infinity edge instead. You're stacking tons of % ArPen when the only armor items on the entire enemy team are a Zhonya's, an Aegis, and a now-nerfed Taric aura. You could have crushed just as hard if you just got the BC or the LW (pick one) while also crushing harder with your autoattacks (though, that team is so squishy you probably nearly 100->0 them just with your ult.)

Also, what's your hatred of berserker greaves? I really don't think 15% CDR can match up to 20% AS, especially early game when MF likes to look for fights in lane, and remember that she fights most effectively by quickly stacking up to 4 stacks of impure shots (even if you're maxing Q first) and abusing her high damage like that.

Furthermore, MF is limited more by mana than by CDR for her lane-harass with Double-up. CDR isn't going to accomplish much as far as Double-up harass goes. Your ult isn't one you're just going to blow on cooldown either - it takes some patience to get those good ults that will actually result in kills / secured objectives.

For reference, boots1-> greaves is 550 gold for 20% AS (and the increased MS of having boots2)
Boots2 is MUCH more movespeed than Zephyr (it's not even close), and if you're getting Furor, you clearly seem to value movespeed for kiting? So why would you touch CDR boots with a 10 foot pole if you find it hard to justify the 900g pricetag of greaves?

dae

Canada1600 Posts

March 18 2013 05:20 GMT

#39

So, been going on a rampage with MF in soloq.

She seems to be incredibly strong in lane, incredibly strong in teamfights, can build pure armor shred so can damage tanks, and can still do damn good damage to tanks with just ad/arp items.

I don't get it, why isn't she in every single game. You literally go into lane with a stupidly strong champion, then if you land r in teamfights you usually win.

(currently 11-2 with MF in Diamond 1) Edit: I think the 2 loses were when I just bought her and q max

I've been going flash barrier, skill order r>e>w>q with q or e level 1, w level 4.

Max e first for stupidly strong e>r combos at 6, and great waveclear/farming potential, + its good in trades, forces them to back off while slowed, sets up stuff for your support, and in general is just a 3 second duration 52% huge aoe slow that does good damage.

When I tried q max couldnt sustain the mana, e max way easier on your mana pool, just using q/w when your engaged hard,

Build is just dorans or longsword 2 start, then just bt/lw/bc/defensive item/bt, get tier 1 boots when you have the gold and don't bother upgrading them for a long time.

21/9/0 masteries, 15 ad/armor/mr runes.

MF just seems broken in soloq atm, massive impact on game, safe laning, and very easy to get kills and capitalize on mistakes in lane to snowball it, and just press r to win mid to late game.

Edit: for what tier 2 boots to get the choice is really inconsequential, mercs or tabis or lucidity or zerks are all decent.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

March 18 2013 08:04 GMT

#40

Are you really maxing E in lane? When do you use it, only during trades? It seems a lot harder to justify than q (and doesn't it cost more?) but I see the point. I've never done E max before but if you're winning like that I might try it.

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